2023 Keystone Cougar 23MLE | New BEST IN CLASS Shortest Fifth Wheel RV Made?!
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- 28ft, 7,480lbs, half ton towable, rear kitchen, tankless water heater, booth dinette table, multiple solar options, standard equipped with solar, Goodyear endurance tires, and more!
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This has more built in storage space than most tiny houses I've seen! The only thing missing is a washer/dryer. Great floor plan. If I was younger and could manage the mechanicals alone, I'd get rid of my house, buy this, and travel!
Pin weight? Regardless of tow weight, pin weight is crucial and needs to be included up-front. My 1/2 ton has a total cargo weight limit of 1801 pounds, and tow capacity of 9100 pounds, so pin weight is critical.
We bought this model in June 2023 and love it. It is the perfect couples coach. We upgraded from a 33’ Forest River Vibe travel trailer and haven’t regretted it for a minute. It tows like a dream with our Ford 3/4 ton gas-engine (6.2L) and fits into almost any campsite at state and national parks. Here are a few things we changed/upgraded to make it “perfect” for us: a) moved the spare tire from the front bay and put it on a hitch-mounted spare tire carrier to give us more storage space; b) replaced the tiny bathroom fan with a 10-speed reversible MaxxAir fan; c) added Softstarts to the A/C units so we can run both from a single 3800W generator; d) reinforced the pantry shelves-they collapsed on our first trip; and e) added a water filter under the sink and separate faucet for drinking water. I wish the extension legs on the Lippert entry steps were easier to adjust and that the microwave and all 110V outlets were connected to the inverter. I’m smart enough to balance the load on the batteries when boondocking and may try to add another inverter to address this at a later date. We are enjoying it right now-camping at a lake near Talladega, AL.
Thanks for the gasser comment! I drive a big truck, I don’t want anything to do with diesel pickups!
Access to the fridge, bathroom, and closet drawers are all available in travel mode. The entertainment center is Bluetooth capable, plus CD/DVD. There is open shoe storage beneath the dinette at the entrance. The bathroom faucet is offset for face washing. The rear kitchen overhead cabinets are accessible to shorter people. The stove burner-knobs glow red when in operation and turn blue when off. That is a great safety feature.
The SHORTEST FIFTH WHEEL is also to best! It’s the Escape 5.0 Fibreglass shell trailer, built like a boat, will last 50 years like the 1970’s Trilliums. A fifth wheel at only 4000lbs. One owner towed his with a Nissan Frontier. A beautiful trailer but has a 2 year wait list. Canadian built.
I love this floor plan. We looked at 2022 Cougars that didn’t have a pantry. I’m so glad that they added one. Currently, we tow a 34’ fifth wheel and I would like to downsize.
That's really an impressive unit for the size. In the future, Myles, kindly find the smallest unit that would have W/D prep.
The shortest one I know of is a Cougar 290RLS.
Salem hemisphere 286rl
Jayco 24re has w/d prep
My wife and I really like this layout. We have a bumper hitch TT now and have talked about a fifth wheel for more stability while traveling. We just never see a layout that we like as well as our current TT. Great job showing all the features. We are big into boon docking so we wouldn’t want anything bigger and miss out on hard to reach locations.
This RV feels like a luxury home... love the look of it, wouldn't change a thing!!!
Really nice. You did a great job explaining everything, opening drawers, checking it out, really cool.
Good review! The wife and I like it. The only change I would do is take out the din-net and put like a bar top facing out the window with a couple of stools to sit on. I don’t like how the bench comes out into the kitchen area in such a small space. Plus it would open that area up even more. This will definitely be on our list when we buy this next summer
Personally, I like the table...allows for more kitchen prep space or laptop area and doubles as a bed. There is also storage beneath the seats. Also, bar stools aren't comfortable. But that's just my two cents.
@@DOLfirst Z I agree
I don't know why manufacturers keep making the stupid banquets most people I've talk to which is probably a thousand as I've been full-time for over a decade and travel around alot. They are such a useless waste of space. SMH
I really like that unit. We have been shopping around I've been wanting a toy hauler but she wants something smaller. I think think with the 3000# towing capacity on the back this could be the best of both worlds. Leave the side by side at home when we don't plan on using it and can haul it behind when we do
Please list ALL the 1/2 ton trucks and their payload and tow capacity that you say can tow these 5th wheels. Remember, you shouldn’t max out any payload or tow capacity. Many will tell you never go over 75% of listed specs. Please also list the price of those 1/2 tons compared to the price of a 3/4 ton truck which could tow these “1/2 ton towable “.
One of the best layout have seen for a short fifthwheel. Good Job Keystone. Good job Myles 👍
This is super nice. I'm not a booth person but I love the storage in the benches. A great place for the crockpot, case of water and such. I'm in NY so having a fire place is a huge bonus, take the chill out of it on those crisp early spring and fall mornings. Not a fan of the vent fan over the bed. I like my bedroom super dark and any light keeps me awake. We don't need W/D hookups since we are just weekenders. From the video, the fridge/freezer seemed small but maybe is just an optical illusion. I have yet to see any camper out there that I'm 100% satisfied with out there but this one hits in the 85-90% for sure.
There are vent fan "pillows" available that cover the fan recess and insulate as well. An inexpensive fix for the unintended "skylight".
Just think of a trial and error being so exciting to show the world the popular RV. This is a nice RV for a couple.
I’ve seen the cougar shorties and they are great for couples! Easy to park and you can get them into any park! The weights are easy on your truck too!
They are great little fifth wheels!
I’m searching for an RV or Trailer. I’ve always thought 5th wheels were too big but this one is absolutely perfect. I love it..!
Glad you love it! Here to help you purchase it when you’re ready
Liked and described Mike you will soon be my salesman.
This is a very informative video I will pass this along to friends and family as well. 🗨️☝️🤓
I agree with Expresso.
Perfect for the single person or couple with only drawback is no W/D
Was waiting for bedroom..being able to walk around the bed makes a big difference in putting on a fitted sheet..we had a 2002 for 14 yrs camping would have loved to have had this but we are retired from camping now but have memories ❤
It is one the best layouts in small 5th I've seen
Fantastic! Best I've seen - and I've seen many. Good job Myles!
Best layout I've seen lately.
Great review and very informative to someone who’s never owned a camper but thinking about it.
I've fallen for this Brand and floor plan! It really fits our style of travel. That is except for the water heater. We boondock fairly often. Instant hot water heaters have a reputation for wasting water. Your presentation, especially with the included technical details is outstanding. I'll be following more of your videos from now on. Thank you!
Thanks for the kind words 🙏
A question why instant water heaters waste water? The ones i've had were very efficient, and it always seemed to me that a water tank continuously keeping water warm wastes more energy.
@@CindyBarg RV water heaters don't use very much energy. Tankless water heaters need a significant water flow before they will heat. If you are boondocking and trying to conserve, you're likely not going to get a hot navy shower.
I'll keep that in mind, thanks!
@@CindyBarg Not only do you waste water waiting for the hot water to get to your faucet, but if you stop the flow of hot water, even for a few seconds, the burner kicks off and you get a bunch of wasted cold water until the heating coils kick back in. This means you can’t turn the water off at the shower head to soap up unless you want to get a blast of cold water while rinsing. The best solution that we found, is to fill a bucket with hot water from the water heater and then take a sponge bath (outside if weather permits) so we don’t fill our grey tank with wasted water.
Beautiful camper. We had a cougar. Loved it.
What would be the price? Love it!
I have a 37' Montana. As I get older I will downsize. I considered a Class C but this might be a decent option. More room, much easier to tow and maneuver, less expensive than Class C.
This is a great model for a retired couple going on short trips (others have already mentioned the lack of a washer/dryer, which may extend outings without looking for a laundromat). But, new 1/2 tons will easily tow this, and the nice part is getting away from the 3/4 ton diesel emission problems and expense. Big question: Will Keystone warranty a gooseneck swap over the king pin? A gooseneck hitch will reduce a lot of payload weight, and open up the bed for more storage space. Nice video and tour. Cheers! Pete in Arizona.
Don’t think the average 1/2T is going to pull this unless you’re talking about the standard cab 2WD with base equipment.
We have the Anderson Hitch on our Cougar. It is a super strong aluminum "pyramid" that includes a height-adjustable hitch ball and a proprietary receiver attached to the pin on the coach. It is an elegant hitch solution for this Cougar.
That would be a perfect camper to live in full time. Especially for 1 person
Loved it until I saw the bedroom, I would only consider a slide out bed. We've already got this set up and its very difficult to change the bed sheets. I have to pull the bed all the way out so its hitting the wall to reach the front of the bed to put on clean sheets and/or take off the dirty ones. I love that it's compact. I really like Cougar. Thanks for the video.
Nice! Put in a dishwasher and a w/d combo and it’s complete!
I like it! Thanks for the video!
I would love to see these exact same specs with the kitchen on a bigger RV with a 2nd bedroom 1/2 bath, washer/dryer hook up and side patio with sliding glass doors for THE perfect 2024 model. I love the kitchen
It’s very beautiful for the size, thank you for all you do in showing all the great videos. 😊
Couple of things I would have liked to see: (1) a slide-out tray for the battery compartment: (2) soft close drawers/cabinet doors. Pretty decent layout overall. I like it.
That wiring job 👍👍👍 top notch
Very nice! The windows around the kitchen really add an to an open and larger feel. Have always liked the dining area separate from the couch/recliners. Looks a lot less cluttered and perfect for a smaller unit. No sacrifices in the bath! Awesome.
Glad you like it!
I'm loving the RV trailers in many different styles shape and, sides, and I hope to have one soon u are the number one😀
Thank You
P. Futch
Will keep our 29' 2001 been camping with it for 13 years
I love this. Wish the flooring that is in the slide out was in the bedroom also.. i dont like carpet in an rv. But we love this rv thank you for showing it P. S i love the booth.
Really nice fifth wheel, love the floor plan!
Glad you like it!
Great road armor comparison!!! Thanks so much😊
Love this RV. I like where the kitchen is. Everything about this RV is amazing. I would buy this in a heart beat....depending how much it is. I am sure it is quite expensive.
We love the design!! Very well done!!
There are a number of nice features. Nice tour.
This is pretty darn nice,has a little of everything. Love the shower.
Glad you like it!
Glad you like it!
Lovely 5th wheel.
Thanks for the informative tour!
You are correct. White panels/vents on the roof is definitely better than the black regarding sun/heat. That’s why you see more white cars on the road
We bought this last week in st. Louis. Cant wait till it comes in.
Love this small 5th wheel. But why why why did they put that brown cabinet around the TV? Should’ve kept the same as kitchen and pantry/buffet.
Wish you had mentioned Gross weight and pin weight
Well, floor plan is great but, like everyone else need W/D location but I really don’t like the slanted roof line. You really can’t be over 5’10” tall. This is great for weekends only no long travel. Now if they correct the roof line to be straight and W/D and put tire in storage not generator area and make it 4 feet longer SUPER. Just a thought.
Cougar does this in their non half-ton line with the straight ceiling. But as I’m sure you understand, they need to make smaller, more light weight fifth wheels like this one for that demographic of people looking for something truly half ton towable. W/D and half ton towable don’t mesh well lol
Love it. If had Azdel it'd be perfect.
LOVE this little trailer!!!
Finally a decent standard equipped solar setup, not just a token install.
Wonderful presentation love this little cougar
I basically own this same model with the door coming in from the rear (23MLS) and love it. I just sold my Super Duty Powerstroke because Im tired of paying over $2.00 more a gallon and purchased a 2022 ford f150 3.5 eco boost....on the door tab factory payload showed 1760 lbs....Ironically the payload on the factory Continental 6 ply tires was the exact same 1760 lbs. So is that how they determine what the payload is or was that a coincidence, so I asked multiple service managers at Ford stores...I got different answers from everyone..so with no help from Ford I put a set of airbags and a good set of 10 ply tires (Open Country's from Les Schwab) a Andersen Ultimate Hitch and am confident the truck with its new upgrades (2450 payload tires and air bags) will handle my baby cougars 1330 lb tongue weight and whatever else I am carrying in the truck no problem...Keep in mind the tow capacity for the truck is over 13,000 lbs...I hope this helps anyone else considering pulling a 5th wheel with a half ton and dont listen to the know it alls that say dont ever pull a 5th wheel with a half ton because the breaks arent big enough blah blah blah etc etc etc.. that being said I wouldnt go much bigger then this baby cougar if your going to haul it across the country.
No, the tires are rated individually. The wait you can haul is depending on your springs, brakes, tires, rear gear and weight of the truck. Adding airbags will not increase your payload capacity. If your in an accident and someone is killed they will inspect every aspect of the vehicle. The first place they will look is your sticker on the door jam. It will list the max weight of the truck. If you exceed that you can be in a lot of trouble. Ford has a brochure that will list what your truck can haul with the gear, engine, wheelbase. Subtract your loaded weight of the truck people, hitch, fuel and anything else you load into the truck. That will be what you can pull.
I have a 2016 f150 4x4 with towpackage my cargo is 1800#. My stepson has a 2011 f250 with only a 2000# payload. It can very wildly most advertised weights are for single cab with long wheelbase very few options.
@@michaelsheets6851 I totally agree! We pull our little Cougar 22MLS with a one ton Chevy Silverado. I feel so much better having a truck that weighs more than my trailer. I live very close to where 20 people were killed when their limo went down a mountain road and lost their brakes. Since we regularly drive on this hill, it is essential for us to have the bigger truck. If for nothing else, but my own peace of mind. We bought the truck new in 2022 and the cost from a 3/4 ton to a one ton was only an additional $2k. Well worth it.
So far love all the extra space an kitchen nice where the ignite card at i think below would be where washer dryer combo would go for the rv house in every one ive seen i think all of them i would place it right there works for a couple with no kids very nice i like it
Awesome. Like it a lot.
I love it! No way I'd tow with a half ton
An other commentary this one is not the smallest F/Wheel from Cougar there is the Cougar Sport 2100rk and that one have frameless window and microwhave over the stove that I propose you later so if you have a good contact with keystone you can tell them, thank you
Hey Myles, Well done on this presentation. I'll keep you in mind if we ever get to buying in this economy. Inside things I would want changed. The booth is awkward cuts off a lot of space. I'd settle for a counter and barstools or stand alone fold up unit. The register on the floor would be a hazard to me as well as an eyesore. It should be tucked out of the way up against or close to a wall. I would personally change out the handheld in the shower so water doesn't spray at me but above me right over my head. As for external issues I would have to defer to hubby as living space is my domain. Definitely a consideration. Thanks
Nice rig!! Wish there was a bit more outside in the bedroom otherwise the rest of the layout is very impressive. Thanks 🙂
Thanks for watching!
DUDE!! Great job!!
Excellent 5thWh for the Single person and great for the budget 1/2 ton truck.
Something else I would like to point, is they should put a convection microwave with fan over the stove instead a Furion noysi fan and because there is no ventilator on the sealing they should put a fantastic fan some where over the kitchen
Beautiful
Nice trailer. I like the rear kitchen and how compact it is. But I wish the front layout had more space. I don’t like the bedroom so cramped.
Looks great I would like to know what kind of price this has
Thanks!
Dealbreaker no bed slide for me. But its beautiful. I love the tankless water heater.
When truck tow limits are determined by manufacturers they do not hitch a 12’ high trailer to the truck and tow it over mountain passes and windy highways. Tow limits are determined by using a flat bed trailer. This 5th wheel weighs 7480 lbs empty + 2000 lbs cargo (2450 is max) + 1/2 full grey/black/water tanks (72 gallons x 8.3 lbs) = approx 600 lbs + 60 lbs propane == 10,140 lbs x 20% = pin weight of 2028 lbs. IMHO there are only a few 5th wheels that could be towed by a 1/2 ton; Scamp 19, Escape 5.0 ( have one on order) , Idle Time 19&21 and some of the older models like Nash 21R (formerly owned). A 1/2 ton may be able to “tow it”, but can it STOP it? For about the same money as a tricked-out 1/2 ton you can buy a 3/4 ton and be safer. Plus most people who buy these are first timers that have never towed a camper of this size ( some think this is a small camper, 5 tons loaded!) and they believe the camper and truck salesman
Agreed. Well put.
This a perfect little camper 👍🏽
good looking everything but the stove is road asseable. but only one slide it is a bit cramped. i like opposing slides (27sgs) as it opens up the floor for far better usage.but only toilet and bed for use on the rd. other wise same frame (?) and sizing.
Wow!! Adorable...great for a single or a couple.
Absolutely!
Free standing table and chairs? Would be able to switch it up on occasion. 😊
You did a fine walkthrough and explanation of the unit. Nice job. I'm just not a fan of the cable slide mechanism. Never had one but I have heard horror stories. I could be way off base on it I'm not sure
My family has it on our Cougar fifth wheel and it’s never had any problems or issues for us.
I really like the camper, if it was a toy hauler I’d buy it 👍🏻
Thanks for watching!
I don't like the seat in the shower. I would be tripping over it and never use it. I do like the way they did the floor under the theater seats. Big improvement. You didn't mention if there was a second propane tank.
This one is perfect for me.
Love it!
So glad!
Very nice 5th wheel, we are comparing to Grand Design 226RK
Oh my gosh, this is beautiful
As impressive as this small fifth wheel is, I was more impressed with your delivery and descriptions of everything. I’ve watched quite a few of these types of videos and I seldom am able to finish them due to the himmin and hawing and stuttering that goes on while the narrator is trying to remember what to say next. With you, it just flowed so pleasantly….I watched the whole presentation! Thanks for taking the initiative to know your product so well. I’ve subscribed and anxiously await your next video.
You should show models with slides in, in your videos. Or mention your thoughts of what is and isn't accessible with slides in.
I like it..I like it a lot!!!!
I live in Pahrump Nevada it’s about 50 miles west of Las Vegas Nevada. Are there any dealers near us? How much does this one cost and what is the warranty time on it?
I know this sounds crazy..but I wish there was a gooseneck camper with a 20 foot box then the gooseneck part - I know this one really fits the bill but..not all of us want to tow that much but would love a bed area in the neck of the cab and only 20 feet behind me..
Beautiful!!
Super nice 5th wheel camper !!
Love this 5th Wheel. NOT a fan of Tankless water heater because it uses up the propane. Interested in Nebraska!
in 2023 Cougar gets overtaken by Grand Design just to mention that one because they ( Cougar ) still have those outside glass surronded by rubber instead having outside flat glass also those smart solar charger in blue color should be in front like some other companie ( that way if you have to check something in this blue box you don't have to empty part of this place to get it close to it also I think that just beside this is the batteri shout down should be in front to all those for a better reach.
Great unit
We like this RV but we're looking for a small toy hauler. Any recommendations
Pretty sweet, but still should pull with a 3/4 ton. Gas or diesel. Pushing payload with 1/2 ton
Can you option that dinette for a table and chairs?
According to the Cougar website this camper has a 2893 lb carrying capacity. You should never max this out. However, buyers look to RV salesman to give “professional “ advice. Promoting this camper as only 7480 lbs is not in the best interest of a buyer. This unit would be closer to 10,000 lbs. 7480 lbs empty. How many people pull an empty camper? Ah!, None? Myles RV you are always promoting these campers on RUclips by empty weight. Please be upfront. You are doing no one any favors. At 10k lbs this would have an estimated pin weight of 2000 lbs before you add in passengers, hitch and stuff you put in your truck.