I highly recommend a Buttkicker if you don't already have one - I've got one on my H3, and it can connect to DCS via an API and actually understands in-game events like weapons release, wheels touching down, buffeting of the wings, etc, and plays the correct "audio" file for each, but instead that ends up being basically a silent subwoofer that shakes you. Truly took my motion+VR game to the next level!
I've had one of these for 4 years now, Its amazing. Just upgraded to the moza ffb base and carrier launches are wild with the chair in vr. For flying motion compensation is needed, I find it makes me sick racing, though. Nascar is a blast on there. You can feel the air the cars around you are pushing.
@@liazkam worth it? Well I would say it depends on your level of interest in dcs/apache. I have a saying, "spend your money where you spend your time" so if you only play once a month or less.... Probably not. It did though hugely improve my accuracy in flight, like he says in the video, "helicopters are feel of the pants flying" and you definitely feel what's going on with a Sim rig. My only disappointment is that so far there seems to be no "verticle heave"
@@WilliamDeanPlumbing vertical heave does work, even with an H3 via pitch. If it isn't working with your rig, you may just need to enable and tweak the settings for it in SRS.
which active seat belt tensioner do you fly with? I have the simxperience g-belt, and although they say it's compatible with DCS and MSFS, it doesn't work well, and their tech support is useless.
Nais review! Very happy with my H6! Quite addictive. The feeling of acceleration in the F-16 is AMAZING! But in my opinion it really shines when doing rotary in msfs24. Insane ground details
My experience with my recent purchase of the H3 was terrible. A month after my purchase, they still hadn't shipped my order even though their website says they ship 5-10 days after the order.. Long story short, it took several ignored requests before they gave me a refund.
I looked at DOF for my sim, but ended up going with a haptic pad. Great video. It makes me reconsider getting this in the future for iracing/track day training. Btw… you were in the 301st fighter squadron? One of the historical Tuskegee Airmen squadrons. Badass man. Fighter pilot, race cars, track days, and sim… quickly becoming one of my favorite channels.
I agree with you about not wanting to have to put it together. I assembled my NLR Flight Stand. It was tough. This looks like a 4 hour job. Someone needs to design a base that you can bolt whatever chair you want on. Fully assembled. Costco, BJs and Walmart for $1500
It's actually nice seeing you doing iracing. I am an avid iracer myself and despite being European I love racing in ovals. My favorite cars are the xFinity. I've had amazing races in that series.
Cant wait for the helicopter demo video. I have a motion rig currently being shipped. Different company though and got it just for helicopters, its a newer company with actuators. Look forward to trying it too for helos.
Great review! Thanks! Been using my H2 for about a year now and now I can’t fly without it. Can recommend combining it with a haptic seat and a ffb stick. It gives that little extra feel. Also, motion compensation is a must when in VR… 👍🏻
Thanks for that straight up review, it really looks amazing. Now, put Gonky in one of those things, a VR headset, and go have another head-to-head guns only fight!
I'm not a pilot but I dabble. It helps to have friends with airplanes. The flight SIM thing has been of interest; especially now that I'm just about retired from the job and need a hobby. Anyway, thanks for your great work on the video. I think it reinforced what I have already thought and that is if you're going to do flight simulation, motion and VR is really the best way to go. I look forward to all of your future input on the DOF.
Mover, thanks for your discosures and your assessment of motion sims for the home. I have often thought about designing one for a Piper PA-46 using G1000 sim parts. I sort of need a flight model to makeit happen,more than an AFM! I am building an F/A-18C simpit for DCS and your comments have pushed me even farther over budget now by adding 6DOF to the pit! 😂. I am using Mixed Reality and currently fly: 1) F/A-18C, 2) F-5E, 3) P-51D. I am a GA pilot and DCS has massively improved my SA plus forced a reliance on flows, checklists and hammering home procedures. Not that diff from Level D recurrent rides in the P121 or P135 arenas I suspect. Wonder how much the mil uses sims for training once in a sqdrn. HUGE Thank You for publishig these vids when you find something and providing your P121 and pointy nose perspective.
Well enjoyed your videos for years and glad you're getting stuff like this now i know your not the biggest fan but hopefully we can get you an early playtest of ace combat 8 or even some input with devs
I remember there was a company that had a a seat in a ball, that sat in a "saucer" to mimic 6DOF. But this looks pretty sweet. Might be my 2025 anniversary/Christmas gift! :)
I just got a Moza AB9 to become my primary center stick (still use springed side stick for my viper) and already had the apache collective from Virpil. The FFB stick flying helos is the best! Being able to correctly use the trim has changed my approaches and took away a lot of the up and down pitch that I had. Mover, look into alternatives for helicopter flying besides what you already have especially in the FFB realm. My apache collective works great for any other DCS copter.
I can only agree, having an FFB base like that is a game changer for real. Never went to the fancy sticks from the SideWinder FFB2 because of that and finally was able to upgrade without having to wait for quite an amount of time to get the VPForce Rhino, which also is more expensive. But that one has the best software so far as I've heard. Got a total of 17.5cm of extensions from MFG (the dude that makes the Crosswind pedals) installed as well and the whole thing is mounted to my desk with a long Monstertech mount. That was the best hardware upgrade I've done in ages...
Have had an H3 for a couple of years now - look at ‘motion compensation’ if you haven’t already. It’ll stop your viewpoint falling out of the cockpit when the rig is at max lean angles…. I tend to fly warbirds, and for that, the motion makes a massive difference - formation and Aeros are something else!
I can remember your first reaction to DCS. You sure have come a long ways as a simmer in not much time. (Or maybe it has been a long time and I am getting old:)
Fantastic review. And great, the price point for flight version is reasonable enough to put it on my must have list, but juuust enough to make my wife question my sanity...again.
The Smithsonian Air and Space museum has a bunch of flight simulators, incredible some that go upside down. I got to do one of those about 15 years who, and it's still one of the coolest things I've ever done. 🤣
I just had a ejection handle product review video from the Grim Reapers in my notification box as well, I guess you'd map that thing to Ctrl+E in flight sims and Alt+F4 anywhere else... XD
G-force simulation A few years ago I met a guy on a flight sim convention in Sinsheim Germany. He made something like a air force g-suit, a jumpsuit with several "balloons" in it. These were pressured from a pneumatic system and connected by an Arduino to the sim. I like to fly IL-2 and DCS, I could try the system and liked it a lot, but never heard for that again
I originally had a DIY single motor setup using the standard motion software (surge). I now have a Qubic Systems BT1, which has very fast/powerful dual servo motors and specialist harness software (not cheap though). Seems to work well on most sims. There are other commercial solutions out there (PT actuator).
Also get a Bruner which is full force feed back pedals, stick or yoke. Really helps the immersion as well, I can't imagine flying without it anymore. But that's more to a non FBW aircraft I guess
@@CWLemoine I wonder what if it was part of his job. Did USAF ever considered advanced tactics training using sims? Maybe you and Gonky could form PRO virtual read air company?
An interesting experiment would be to turn off 3 degrees of freedom to see how much of a difference it makes. Instead of 3/6 dof, I got a 2 degrees setup and got a seat belt tensioner to simulate G-forces. I also recommend installing the butt kicker, for afterburner, drag etc.
I’ve got my IRL SEL fixed wing. Great review and deal you got. I got the H3 Pro flight from DOF. Best thing ever. iRacing is a blast, turn all settings up and race dirt was like a oller coaster. I had roll set too high racing Daytona lol almost rolled out the seat. Try MSFS helo challenges is fun with motion. DCS ya tomcat is great feel. Agree with ya that it’s not something I can go back from, hoping to upgrade to that 6 axis at some point. The 3 axis ya helps definitely with slips in MSFS but I’m sure the 6 axis would be better for helos
Thanks Mover, good intuitive vid! Looking forward to seeing the full operation with all winged and helicopter aircraft, along with racing sims. Would you possibly share your Pimax Crystal Light settings when you demonstrate each use of the sims? Thanks!
Curious, if you had a like shoulder compressor to push you down in the seat with a chest and thigh constrictor would that be able to simulate some of the g-force strain? Awesome rig and awesome video. Wish I was rich so I could afford one!
Since you mentioned trying STOL flying in flight simulator, if you do another video on the chair, can you go into more detail about how well it simulates the lurch and the seat-of-the-pants feel of uncoordinated flight/slips/skids?
I HATE motion "effects", but I do like subtle tilt relative to car/jet weight transfer, especially being eyes off. Eventually I'll get my own, but I always wind up faster in a static rig, same as ik faster in VR than triples. Tuning the platform is pretty key, so a video on what settings work best once you're dialed in will be helpful for a lot of people.
for flight this definately looks cool and additive to the immersion for takes offs and landings, pattern flying. I'm curious how well it keeps up for more fast-paced flight dog-fighting, missile evasion, etc - does the rig get it to awkward positions where it's boundary of motion requires resetting in a way that makes the movement different from what the game is doing (and making motion sickness more likely?) - curious too about learning the "science" of the settings in the profile set-up. Thanks for the content!
My first try with iRacing was on a motion rig and I got sick as a dog within minutes and almost puked! Might have saved me thousands of dollars as it put my plans to get my own rig on hold 🤣
Thanks for the great impressions. Welcome to the club of DOF, got myself the P3 for two years now and the quality and immersion is second to none. Once you feel the sim you cannot go back anymore to be honest. It just becomes lifeless
If you don't have one already, you need to add a buttkicker and SimHaptic software, really makes it feel alive. I run the same setup, I think the buttkicker might be more important to the overall immersion than the motion (but of course I can never give up either ever again).
I've often read about the SimShaker JetPad seat from "Andre's shop". Never managed to get one and I don't know how hard it is to get one nowadays as they're based in Russia... that thing takes telemetry data from sims includung FFB output, so it doesn't just shake based on audio, but also when an FFB stick would do so, so you'd get that pre-stall buffeting and stuff with it. Adding an FFB stick base like the Moza AB9 or VPForce Rhino (Virpil and WinWing have some announced as well IIRC) is a must as well, probably the most important step to take in that regard. Helps a lot with more realistic trim behaviour.
i love my H2 wich i have for 2 years now. That thing with VR is just awesome. i mainly fly in DCS with it and i can recomment the Belt Tensioner from PTActuator wich works out of the Box with SRS Software. It gives a good feeling of pulling G´s. I Mean not only a little pull, you really think about pulling hard on the Stick. I also Race from time to time with mine and its also very good. For that amount of Money its a really Bang for a Buck. The H6 isnt necessary i think. Maybe the H3 would be better for me but i can upgrade. Also flying Helicopter like the Apache or Huey are somewhat awesome. When you lift up and you dialed your settings right, you feel instant when in the Air. It takes a bit time to get settings right, tune and setup Motion Compensation for VR and getting all your Peripherals on that Rig but in the End i have a Motion Rig in my Living Room where i can fly and drive wherever and whatever i want in such a high Fidelity Feeling. enjoy yours and if you want i have a few Videos on my channel featering my H2 in different Sims.
What does roll feel like I wonder.? It would be interesting to know how that translates. With VR I am guessing it would not take much to trick the inner ear?
You should move the boost slider to the right. I can barely see the chair move! I highly recommend BMG drive for off road racing! The h6 makes it insanely fun!
Thanks for the video, I have had the H6 for a year now and exclusively fly DCS. What are you using for motion compensation? Did you have any issues with your perspective moving off axis?
I moved from my H3 I had for 18 mths to the H6 and while I needed my witmotion for MC definitely in the H3, especially for roll, with the H6 the roll is only 5.5 degrees left and same right from horizontal so no need for MC on my H6....unfortunately!
MOZA AB9 is probably the quickest to get currently. And it's great as well, though VPForce has a massive advantage in the telemetry FFB profiles, mostly by being available for a few years already.
Thanks a lot for this video. I am almost there... ordering one I mean... I have the Next Level 3 V3 seat mover - which of course only moves the seat. It helps a bit in racing sims but useless (more or less) in flight sims. I can offord the DOF H6 or P6 for that matter. My worry is how to put it all together actually. Software I usually figure out, but I hate putting even Ikea furniture together... ONE important question - did you get the Flight version of DOF H6. I understand the versions are a bit different when it comes to motors/gear and how fluid motion you can get, and that also impacts the price.
@@CWLemoine Thanks for you reply. The Heli and Flight versions I think are the same. They got SFU and extra smooth gearboxes, but racing version don't and it costs 500 dollar less too. From DOF website about the difference: "The difference and advantage over the racing version is the additional gearbox on each motor, which provides extra smoothness for the slow motions present in flight simulations." So I was wondering because early buyers of the DOF got what I think was more in line of the racing version, and they found it often too jerky in the movements for smooth flying. So I was wondering what your experience was in that regard, and which version they send you :)
@@CWLemoine Thanks! :) I understand that the value is better for other sims than the F-16. I have flown (most) home computer and PC flight sims since 1983, and F-16 sims have always been my favorite. Falcon... since 1988, Falcon 3.0 in 1991... I was sure it couldn't get more real.. ;) Falcon 4 1998, Falcon BMS, DCS version... Of course, never a real F-16 :) This is a long read, so feel free to skip it. But, I actually got to fly a real F-16 Simulator in 2001, one of the Norwegian Airforce ones. For 60 minutes :) It was not moving, but I was sitting in a real F-16 cockpit, with three projectors displaying the picture on a big wide screen in front of me. It was the closest thing I will ever be to flying a real jet /F16. I did almost a perfect landing on my first attempt. Beside my cockpit was a F-16 pilot whom I knew from High School (that is how I got to try the simulator, through him). So he kinda gave me instructions and advice. But after I landed, the door from the control room opened and an older fat air force major entered the room and asked if I had tried the their AirForce F-16 simulator before. The F-16 pilot standing beside my cockpit said "No, he has only been flying on his PC". The older air force major replied "Computers....fucking computer games... they are getting scary now." Hehe. Now,..I understand flying the real thing and a 2001 Air Force F-16 simulator is far from the same. But a funny story anyway :) For me at least. Maybe I'll get a DOF H6 anyway now. Thank you for you service and the content you make.
Tanks for a up to date review. Looking forward to a more detailed review Q: Compared to DOF3 what feeling -s stands out the most when running it? IE why a DOF6 and not a DOF3.
I'm pretty comfortable saying a 6 DOF motion setup is at the top of anyone's wishlist who even casually plays anything sim related. It's just the pricing is a bit much for most people's blood. All of us in the hobby already know everything sim-related is on the more expensive end of the video game hobby scale and there's always some better piece of kit to lust after, but when the rig is ~8k and it's just a blank slate until you bolt another ~1-2 grand of your pre-existing racing/flying gear onto it, it's a bit daunting. I remember looking at motion rigs many years back when they started to be a thing that the average customer could buy and put in their room and not just relegated to the commercial/professional space, and the prices these days are virtually no better than what they were then. Upwards of 8 grand for a 6 DoF rig, with even the much less impressive 3 DoF rig pushing 4 grand is a tall ask. I had high hopes that by now with tech always getting better smaller and cheaper as the years roll by and with economies of scale that these things would of started to come down in price, but eesh. Maybe if I hit the scratch-off lottery ticket jackpot one of these days I'll grab one.
Looks pretty amazing. I wonder what the durability of a system like that is? And what would long term maintenance costs look like? Someday, if i have an extra $15,000, would like to get one of my own. Thanks for the review!
Hey Mover, how noisy are the actuators? I noticed you were flying without headphones so is the system quiet enough to not be distracting or even heard over the sim volume? Thanks for the review!
Hey mover, I love your books and have been a fan of your vids for a long time. Could i get your and your buddies' opinion on DCS coming out with the F-35A? What do you think can be simulated from what you can share with us? Is DCS the place for the F-35? What role should the F-35 play in the sim that we have? What would its strengths be?
Hey Mover, do you care to share your motion compensation settings on the Witmotion device? I'm running the H3 and it works great other than ironing out the settings on it.
Wow. You’re a lucky dude to have them offer up a $7600 setup for doing a review. I wouldn’t mind owning one for DCS but that price tag would make for divorce proceedings if purchased. 😂
Does this help with tapping the tanker? I can’t really tell the small changes in the Viper from a chair or chassis which I would imagine would help a novice connect to the boom
@@CWLemoine Looks like it has more range of motion. An unrestricted climb in the Yaw looks like a ton of fun. They have a 6 and a 3-degree version. I have not used either platform, just going by videos I found on RUclips, so I could be way off.
Hi Mover that's very cool. Are you going to do a reaction video of landing on the boat? Yes i bet it is very cool with the tomcat but it needs a two person version 😂. Its the ultimate man cave gadget.
Get a Tomcat buddy to come over and see if its feel is accurate. Just make sure if they want someone behind them that they know they can't sit in your lap.
Next goal: find a used SEGA R360 and find a way to mount this rig inside it and adapt it so that they can work together! It most likely won't ever work, but one can dream. Also I know that they are very old arcade games so nothing even remotely near a simulation, but have you ever got a chance to try one of them (the SEGA R360 I mean) and if so what did you think of them? :)
Curious, with the vr headset changing what you see based on the motion of your head, and the rig changing your attitude based on export from the sim, how you prevent that motion from compounding and exaggerating the view change in the headset?
Great review Mover! I was curious, I believe if memory serves, you have the Winwing Viper setup, have you had / or think you will have a chance to get your hands on the Thrust Master Viper TQS Mission Pack Throttle and Stick? I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.
kudos to Doug for the assembly and Luna supervising the project
We need a fundraiser for Doug to get one...and if we raise the money, Doug gets to make a video of YOU putting it together for him 😄.
Yes definitely, that would be good to see
dont forget Gonky too
@@gundamblade yes Gonky definitely needs one too👍
How about a fundraiser for me to get one?
@@mikeck4609 and me! ;)
I highly recommend a Buttkicker if you don't already have one - I've got one on my H3, and it can connect to DCS via an API and actually understands in-game events like weapons release, wheels touching down, buffeting of the wings, etc, and plays the correct "audio" file for each, but instead that ends up being basically a silent subwoofer that shakes you. Truly took my motion+VR game to the next level!
The nerd chair has been upgraded
Add a force feedback stick base and it'll be +69.
@@CakePrincessCelestia Or BUtt KICKER
I've had one of these for 4 years now, Its amazing. Just upgraded to the moza ffb base and carrier launches are wild with the chair in vr. For flying motion compensation is needed, I find it makes me sick racing, though. Nascar is a blast on there. You can feel the air the cars around you are pushing.
I love your dog. Great video, welcome to the world of motion :)
Getting motion compensation set EXACTLY right can be challenging and EXTREMELY necessary. tunning to perfection for the Apache took me MANY hours.
Is it worth though for AH64?
Do you have the H3 or H6?
@liazkam I have the p6
@@liazkam worth it? Well I would say it depends on your level of interest in dcs/apache. I have a saying, "spend your money where you spend your time" so if you only play once a month or less.... Probably not.
It did though hugely improve my accuracy in flight, like he says in the video, "helicopters are feel of the pants flying" and you definitely feel what's going on with a Sim rig. My only disappointment is that so far there seems to be no "verticle heave"
@@WilliamDeanPlumbing vertical heave does work, even with an H3 via pitch. If it isn't working with your rig, you may just need to enable and tweak the settings for it in SRS.
@PoorYurik it's enabled, it's even maxed out and still doesn't go straight up and straight down in unison with the helicopter.
Love Luna sitting there waiting for her turn.
Built my first motion rig back in 2012. You cannot go back. Can highly recommend adding a Active Harness for feeling G forces.
which active seat belt tensioner do you fly with? I have the simxperience g-belt, and although they say it's compatible with DCS and MSFS, it doesn't work well, and their tech support is useless.
Nais review! Very happy with my H6! Quite addictive. The feeling of acceleration in the F-16 is AMAZING! But in my opinion it really shines when doing rotary in msfs24. Insane ground details
Would be lovely to have one, maybe down the line :D the way it reacted to the spin on iRacing looked awesome.
Great setup! Beautiful pup!!!! Brilliant review... No chance of sneaking it by the missus, so, I just need to win the lottery!!! thanks CW!
been on the fence for like 2 years, but you sold me.
My experience with my recent purchase of the H3 was terrible. A month after my purchase, they still hadn't shipped my order even though their website says they ship 5-10 days after the order.. Long story short, it took several ignored requests before they gave me a refund.
Heck yea, definitely want a racing/flying set up at some point
I looked at DOF for my sim, but ended up going with a haptic pad. Great video. It makes me reconsider getting this in the future for iracing/track day training. Btw… you were in the 301st fighter squadron? One of the historical Tuskegee Airmen squadrons. Badass man. Fighter pilot, race cars, track days, and sim… quickly becoming one of my favorite channels.
Can’t wait to see the helicopter setup. Noticed you have an EC135/145 cyclic. Would be good to see. Always wanted 6DOF. And good on ya Doug!
I agree with you about not wanting to have to put it together. I assembled my NLR Flight Stand. It was tough. This looks like a 4 hour job.
Someone needs to design a base that you can bolt whatever chair you want on. Fully assembled. Costco, BJs and Walmart for $1500
It's actually nice seeing you doing iracing. I am an avid iracer myself and despite being European I love racing in ovals. My favorite cars are the xFinity. I've had amazing races in that series.
Cant wait for the helicopter demo video. I have a motion rig currently being shipped. Different company though and got it just for helicopters, its a newer company with actuators. Look forward to trying it too for helos.
Great review! Thanks! Been using my H2 for about a year now and now I can’t fly without it. Can recommend combining it with a haptic seat and a ffb stick. It gives that little extra feel. Also, motion compensation is a must when in VR… 👍🏻
Thanks for that straight up review, it really looks amazing. Now, put Gonky in one of those things, a VR headset, and go have another head-to-head guns only fight!
Apparently Gonky had one last time we did this. He had no idea.
@@CWLemoine 😂
I'm not a pilot but I dabble. It helps to have friends with airplanes. The flight SIM thing has been of interest; especially now that I'm just about retired from the job and need a hobby. Anyway, thanks for your great work on the video. I think it reinforced what I have already thought and that is if you're going to do flight simulation, motion and VR is really the best way to go. I look forward to all of your future input on the DOF.
Neat setup! A great gift for anyone into sims.
I just upgraded my rig to motion with the Qubic System 3-DOF, it is absolutely awesome, the feelings in ACC and LMU are unbelievable.
Nice. I mostly fly the Eagle, so feel is real there too. Haven’t done any driving sims. Its just a big big chunk of change
Mover, thanks for your discosures and your assessment of motion sims for the home. I have often thought about designing one for a Piper PA-46 using G1000 sim parts. I sort of need a flight model to makeit happen,more than an AFM! I am building an F/A-18C simpit for DCS and your comments have pushed me even farther over budget now by adding 6DOF to the pit! 😂. I am using Mixed Reality and currently fly: 1) F/A-18C, 2) F-5E, 3) P-51D. I am a GA pilot and DCS has massively improved my SA plus forced a reliance on flows, checklists and hammering home procedures. Not that diff from Level D recurrent rides in the P121 or P135 arenas I suspect. Wonder how much the mil uses sims for training once in a sqdrn. HUGE Thank You for publishig these vids when you find something and providing your P121 and pointy nose perspective.
looks fun! enjoyed watching.
LOL. We would never leave the house, though we have been looking at these sims with motion.
Well enjoyed your videos for years and glad you're getting stuff like this now i know your not the biggest fan but hopefully we can get you an early playtest of ace combat 8 or even some input with devs
Ooo you said Tomcats! I want to see some in a spin out to sea hilarity.
Motion is so awesome! Next upgrade i can recommend is a belt tensioner. Got the bt1 from qubic and it makes everything feel even more alive👍 congrats!
4:40 doggo is so cute!
I remember there was a company that had a a seat in a ball, that sat in a "saucer" to mimic 6DOF. But this looks pretty sweet. Might be my 2025 anniversary/Christmas gift! :)
YawVr?
They got a lot better since aha check out yawVr 3
Vertical climbs look insane aha
That's the Yaw VR Pro 3 IIRC.
@@CakePrincessCelestia Yeah, that's the one!
I just got a Moza AB9 to become my primary center stick (still use springed side stick for my viper) and already had the apache collective from Virpil. The FFB stick flying helos is the best! Being able to correctly use the trim has changed my approaches and took away a lot of the up and down pitch that I had.
Mover, look into alternatives for helicopter flying besides what you already have especially in the FFB realm. My apache collective works great for any other DCS copter.
I can only agree, having an FFB base like that is a game changer for real. Never went to the fancy sticks from the SideWinder FFB2 because of that and finally was able to upgrade without having to wait for quite an amount of time to get the VPForce Rhino, which also is more expensive. But that one has the best software so far as I've heard. Got a total of 17.5cm of extensions from MFG (the dude that makes the Crosswind pedals) installed as well and the whole thing is mounted to my desk with a long Monstertech mount. That was the best hardware upgrade I've done in ages...
Have had an H3 for a couple of years now - look at ‘motion compensation’ if you haven’t already. It’ll stop your viewpoint falling out of the cockpit when the rig is at max lean angles….
I tend to fly warbirds, and for that, the motion makes a massive difference - formation and Aeros are something else!
I use WitMotion.
@CWLemoine witmotion only tracks 3dof, is it working good still in the 6?
@ works fine so far.
Definitely the coolest sim I have ever seen with a bonus hypoxia simulator haha
I can remember your first reaction to DCS. You sure have come a long ways as a simmer in not much time. (Or maybe it has been a long time and I am getting old:)
Almost 7 years!
Almost 7 years!
Luna cute overload!
Fantastic review. And great, the price point for flight version is reasonable enough to put it on my must have list, but juuust enough to make my wife question my sanity...again.
The Smithsonian Air and Space museum has a bunch of flight simulators, incredible some that go upside down. I got to do one of those about 15 years who, and it's still one of the coolest things I've ever done. 🤣
You need a real ejection seat in that thing.
I just had a ejection handle product review video from the Grim Reapers in my notification box as well, I guess you'd map that thing to Ctrl+E in flight sims and Alt+F4 anywhere else... XD
I do have good haptics on my rig, but if I can get the scratch together I will go full motion. One can dream!
G-force simulation
A few years ago I met a guy on a flight sim convention in Sinsheim Germany.
He made something like a air force g-suit, a jumpsuit with several "balloons" in it.
These were pressured from a pneumatic system and connected by an Arduino to the sim.
I like to fly IL-2 and DCS, I could try the system and liked it a lot, but never heard for that again
I originally had a DIY single motor setup using the standard motion software (surge). I now have a Qubic Systems BT1, which has very fast/powerful dual servo motors and specialist harness software (not cheap though). Seems to work well on most sims. There are other commercial solutions out there (PT actuator).
LOVE the dog! 🤣
Also get a Bruner which is full force feed back pedals, stick or yoke. Really helps the immersion as well, I can't imagine flying without it anymore. But that's more to a non FBW aircraft I guess
Hopefully, one of two things happens.
Gonky comes over to try, or that company sends Gonky one as well to review so you both can play.
Gonky's wife would divorce him.
@CWLemoine Oh. Lol
@@CWLemoine I wonder what if it was part of his job. Did USAF ever considered advanced tactics training using sims? Maybe you and Gonky could form PRO virtual read air company?
I’d have to dedicate an entire room to this.
An interesting experiment would be to turn off 3 degrees of freedom to see how much of a difference it makes. Instead of 3/6 dof, I got a 2 degrees setup and got a seat belt tensioner to simulate G-forces. I also recommend installing the butt kicker, for afterburner, drag etc.
Having this same gear allow me to HIGHLY recommend 5 transducers. This in VR adds even more feedback “realism”. More so than the movement
I’ve got my IRL SEL fixed wing.
Great review and deal you got. I got the H3 Pro flight from DOF. Best thing ever.
iRacing is a blast, turn all settings up and race dirt was like a oller coaster. I had roll set too high racing Daytona lol almost rolled out the seat.
Try MSFS helo challenges is fun with motion.
DCS ya tomcat is great feel.
Agree with ya that it’s not something I can go back from, hoping to upgrade to that 6 axis at some point. The 3 axis ya helps definitely with slips in MSFS but I’m sure the 6 axis would be better for helos
Thanks Mover, good intuitive vid! Looking forward to seeing the full operation with all winged and helicopter aircraft, along with racing sims. Would you possibly share your Pimax Crystal Light settings when you demonstrate each use of the sims? Thanks!
Lol that's the first time I have seen Doug. He's usually a voice in the background of the movery and gonkey show. Now I have a face to the voice 😜
Nice!!!! Thx for a great review
Curious, if you had a like shoulder compressor to push you down in the seat with a chest and thigh constrictor would that be able to simulate some of the g-force strain? Awesome rig and awesome video. Wish I was rich so I could afford one!
Since you mentioned trying STOL flying in flight simulator, if you do another video on the chair, can you go into more detail about how well it simulates the lurch and the seat-of-the-pants feel of uncoordinated flight/slips/skids?
Great informative review
I HATE motion "effects", but I do like subtle tilt relative to car/jet weight transfer, especially being eyes off.
Eventually I'll get my own, but I always wind up faster in a static rig, same as ik faster in VR than triples.
Tuning the platform is pretty key, so a video on what settings work best once you're dialed in will be helpful for a lot of people.
for flight this definately looks cool and additive to the immersion for takes offs and landings, pattern flying. I'm curious how well it keeps up for more fast-paced flight dog-fighting, missile evasion, etc - does the rig get it to awkward positions where it's boundary of motion requires resetting in a way that makes the movement different from what the game is doing (and making motion sickness more likely?) - curious too about learning the "science" of the settings in the profile set-up. Thanks for the content!
excellent news looks like a blast
My first try with iRacing was on a motion rig and I got sick as a dog within minutes and almost puked! Might have saved me thousands of dollars as it put my plans to get my own rig on hold 🤣
I never was into helis until I got motion. Now I'm ch47 logistics wh*re on every server lol
I would love to see you doing a video using this DOF with a Puma pro flight trainer for choppers
Thanks for the great impressions. Welcome to the club of DOF, got myself the P3 for two years now and the quality and immersion is second to none. Once you feel the sim you cannot go back anymore to be honest. It just becomes lifeless
If you don't have one already, you need to add a buttkicker and SimHaptic software, really makes it feel alive. I run the same setup, I think the buttkicker might be more important to the overall immersion than the motion (but of course I can never give up either ever again).
I've often read about the SimShaker JetPad seat from "Andre's shop". Never managed to get one and I don't know how hard it is to get one nowadays as they're based in Russia... that thing takes telemetry data from sims includung FFB output, so it doesn't just shake based on audio, but also when an FFB stick would do so, so you'd get that pre-stall buffeting and stuff with it. Adding an FFB stick base like the Moza AB9 or VPForce Rhino (Virpil and WinWing have some announced as well IIRC) is a must as well, probably the most important step to take in that regard. Helps a lot with more realistic trim behaviour.
Are you using Simhaptic for flight simming? I will try the included software with SRS first.
@@Soarbywire Yes, I tried hapticonnect and simhaptic, and simhaptic was much better. I didn't try SRS.
i love my H2 wich i have for 2 years now. That thing with VR is just awesome. i mainly fly in DCS with it and i can recomment the Belt Tensioner from PTActuator wich works out of the Box with SRS Software. It gives a good feeling of pulling G´s. I Mean not only a little pull, you really think about pulling hard on the Stick.
I also Race from time to time with mine and its also very good.
For that amount of Money its a really Bang for a Buck. The H6 isnt necessary i think. Maybe the H3 would be better for me but i can upgrade.
Also flying Helicopter like the Apache or Huey are somewhat awesome. When you lift up and you dialed your settings right, you feel instant when in the Air.
It takes a bit time to get settings right, tune and setup Motion Compensation for VR and getting all your Peripherals on that Rig but in the End i have a Motion Rig in my Living Room where i can fly and drive wherever and whatever i want in such a high Fidelity Feeling.
enjoy yours and if you want i have a few Videos on my channel featering my H2 in different Sims.
What does roll feel like I wonder.? It would be interesting to know how that translates. With VR I am guessing it would not take much to trick the inner ear?
You should move the boost slider to the right. I can barely see the chair move! I highly recommend BMG drive for off road racing! The h6 makes it insanely fun!
Boost is a global value. There's a lot more nuance to tuning than that from what I've learned.
Thanks for the video, I have had the H6 for a year now and exclusively fly DCS. What are you using for motion compensation? Did you have any issues with your perspective moving off axis?
Wit Motion. Works great. No issues so far.
I moved from my H3 I had for 18 mths to the H6 and while I needed my witmotion for MC definitely in the H3, especially for roll, with the H6 the roll is only 5.5 degrees left and same right from horizontal so no need for MC on my H6....unfortunately!
Have you tried the forcefeed back for flying yet. Curious your thoughts. VPForce Rhino.
Not yet!
MOZA AB9 is probably the quickest to get currently. And it's great as well, though VPForce has a massive advantage in the telemetry FFB profiles, mostly by being available for a few years already.
I've been tempted to get one of those haptic pads since I don't have space for a motion rig. Can't convince myself to drop the money on it.
Mover’s finally got the setup for the F-35 coming to DCS lol
Looks like a blast, but not everyone can afford to spend $7000 on a luxury item like this. Retirement goals maybe 😂.
Divide by how many hours you will use it, and it then seems more reasonable. 🤣
Thanks a lot for this video. I am almost there... ordering one I mean... I have the Next Level 3 V3 seat mover - which of course only moves the seat. It helps a bit in racing sims but useless (more or less) in flight sims. I can offord the DOF H6 or P6 for that matter. My worry is how to put it all together actually. Software I usually figure out, but I hate putting even Ikea furniture together... ONE important question - did you get the Flight version of DOF H6. I understand the versions are a bit different when it comes to motors/gear and how fluid motion you can get, and that also impacts the price.
They’re all identical minus mounting hardware as far as I know. It’s all in tuning.
@@CWLemoine Thanks for you reply. The Heli and Flight versions I think are the same. They got SFU and extra smooth gearboxes, but racing version don't and it costs 500 dollar less too. From DOF website about the difference: "The difference and advantage over the racing version is the additional gearbox on each motor, which provides extra smoothness for the slow motions present in flight simulations." So I was wondering because early buyers of the DOF got what I think was more in line of the racing version, and they found it often too jerky in the movements for smooth flying. So I was wondering what your experience was in that regard, and which version they send you :)
I have the SFU version.
@@CWLemoine Thanks! :) I understand that the value is better for other sims than the F-16. I have flown (most) home computer and PC flight sims since 1983, and F-16 sims have always been my favorite. Falcon... since 1988, Falcon 3.0 in 1991... I was sure it couldn't get more real.. ;) Falcon 4 1998, Falcon BMS, DCS version... Of course, never a real F-16 :)
This is a long read, so feel free to skip it. But, I actually got to fly a real F-16 Simulator in 2001, one of the Norwegian Airforce ones. For 60 minutes :) It was not moving, but I was sitting in a real F-16 cockpit, with three projectors displaying the picture on a big wide screen in front of me. It was the closest thing I will ever be to flying a real jet /F16. I did almost a perfect landing on my first attempt. Beside my cockpit was a F-16 pilot whom I knew from High School (that is how I got to try the simulator, through him). So he kinda gave me instructions and advice. But after I landed, the door from the control room opened and an older fat air force major entered the room and asked if I had tried the their AirForce F-16 simulator before. The F-16 pilot standing beside my cockpit said "No, he has only been flying on his PC". The older air force major replied "Computers....fucking computer games... they are getting scary now." Hehe. Now,..I understand flying the real thing and a 2001 Air Force F-16 simulator is far from the same. But a funny story anyway :) For me at least. Maybe I'll get a DOF H6 anyway now. Thank you for you service and the content you make.
Tanks for a up to date review. Looking forward to a more detailed review Q: Compared to DOF3 what feeling -s stands out the most when running it? IE why a DOF6 and not a DOF3.
Heave, surge, and sway. They make a big difference.
I'm pretty comfortable saying a 6 DOF motion setup is at the top of anyone's wishlist who even casually plays anything sim related. It's just the pricing is a bit much for most people's blood. All of us in the hobby already know everything sim-related is on the more expensive end of the video game hobby scale and there's always some better piece of kit to lust after, but when the rig is ~8k and it's just a blank slate until you bolt another ~1-2 grand of your pre-existing racing/flying gear onto it, it's a bit daunting.
I remember looking at motion rigs many years back when they started to be a thing that the average customer could buy and put in their room and not just relegated to the commercial/professional space, and the prices these days are virtually no better than what they were then. Upwards of 8 grand for a 6 DoF rig, with even the much less impressive 3 DoF rig pushing 4 grand is a tall ask. I had high hopes that by now with tech always getting better smaller and cheaper as the years roll by and with economies of scale that these things would of started to come down in price, but eesh. Maybe if I hit the scratch-off lottery ticket jackpot one of these days I'll grab one.
Looks pretty amazing. I wonder what the durability of a system like that is? And what would long term maintenance costs look like? Someday, if i have an extra $15,000, would like to get one of my own. Thanks for the review!
may i reccoment a bassshaker set up under your seat, youll feel some plane affects =p
It's obviously Luna approved. That's good enough for me!
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Hey Mover, how noisy are the actuators? I noticed you were flying without headphones so is the system quiet enough to not be distracting or even heard over the sim volume? Thanks for the review!
Didn’t even notice them.
Hey mover, I love your books and have been a fan of your vids for a long time. Could i get your and your buddies' opinion on DCS coming out with the F-35A? What do you think can be simulated from what you can share with us? Is DCS the place for the F-35? What role should the F-35 play in the sim that we have? What would its strengths be?
So, the next step is 3D positioning sim :)
I tried one in at Air And space museum in DC
Surprised you didn't start with Airwolf.
Hey Mover, do you care to share your motion compensation settings on the Witmotion device? I'm running the H3 and it works great other than ironing out the settings on it.
Hey, look, the dog pooped on the floor 4:35.
JK, he's a good boy.
Luna Belle would never!
@CWLemoine oh I can tell from her short cameo. What a beautiful dog.
Oh yeah, that simulator's awesome, too, by the way.😁
Wow. You’re a lucky dude to have them offer up a $7600 setup for doing a review.
I wouldn’t mind owning one for DCS but that price tag would make for divorce proceedings if purchased. 😂
Does this help with tapping the tanker? I can’t really tell the small changes in the Viper from a chair or chassis which I would imagine would help a novice connect to the boom
I wonder if this would make things better or make them worse for someone who gets motion sick easily
For flying I wander how this compares to the Yaw3. Seems Yaw would be better for flying jets but for a cesna or racing this would be great.
3DOF platform vs 6DOF. I'm not sure how it would be better for anything.
@@CWLemoine Looks like it has more range of motion. An unrestricted climb in the Yaw looks like a ton of fun. They have a 6 and a 3-degree version. I have not used either platform, just going by videos I found on RUclips, so I could be way off.
Hi Mover that's very cool. Are you going to do a reaction video of landing on the boat?
Yes i bet it is very cool with the tomcat but it needs a two person version 😂.
Its the ultimate man cave gadget.
Get a Tomcat buddy to come over and see if its feel is accurate. Just make sure if they want someone behind them that they know they can't sit in your lap.
Next week's video
will be SimpliSafe! 🤣
why does your dog have two different eye colors? so interesting
She's half Husky
@ ahhh i see very 🆒
@@KimaniT
The other half
is CLASSIFIED. 👽
Would a G suit attached to the game in the same way as the seat give a more realistic G feel for flight?
Next goal: find a used SEGA R360 and find a way to mount this rig inside it and adapt it so that they can work together!
It most likely won't ever work, but one can dream.
Also I know that they are very old arcade games so nothing even remotely near a simulation, but have you ever got a chance to try one of them (the SEGA R360 I mean) and if so what did you think of them? :)
You can use your driving pedals as a rudder for DCS. I have done a video on my channel to show how to set it up 👍
Curious, with the vr headset changing what you see based on the motion of your head, and the rig changing your attitude based on export from the sim, how you prevent that motion from compounding and exaggerating the view change in the headset?
Great review Mover! I was curious, I believe if memory serves, you have the Winwing Viper setup, have you had / or think you will have a chance to get your hands on the Thrust Master Viper TQS Mission Pack Throttle and Stick? I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.
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