I’d have so many questions for you if we were to meet. Lifelong member myself in Hawaii. Stopped going about 20ish years ago but still retained my knowledge of the teachings, served a mission, but jus became disappointed, etc. But glad you are there doing your thing. Keep it up.
I’m impressed how Nemo is light years ahead of me when I was twenty six years of age and totally TBM/clueless. Nemo has a bright future taking on life without the Mormon lens of bizarre beliefs.
Thoroughly enjoyed your corridor conversation with Nemo, dear Ruth. You guys are absolutely right: the individual can indeed make a difference, as documented by your recent success with the Safeguarding Children in the UK campaign (!). Kudos to 21st Century Saints!! Also, I truly applaud Nemo's brave decision to do this work full-time. He is such a great thinker and thorough researcher. I admire his intellect, integrity, and eloquence. You Britvengers are making a difference and paving the way for a more open, more inclusive, more beautiful tomorrow. Keep up the great work!!
It makes me feel a tiny bit sad I resigned 4 years ago. After years of church hopping/online hopping, religion my findings became all religion is manmade. I love studying the bible in hours of online classes, as I do not believe. I recently went back to my ward and asked to be apart of the community as a non believer who will never come back to membership. I go once -ish a month. It is working out ok but the sunday school teacher looks scared when I show as my NT knowledge is way beyond their comfort zone.
Nice interview, Ruth! I really like the young man to your right. In spite of being a retired professor, I wish I had had the experience Nemo got at his flat in Oxford practicing critical thinking and logical fallacies with his roommates.
Talking about being a dynamic organization (39:30), the way the Relief Society was originally setup, gave the women so much freedom. They built a hospital in Salt Lake, they saved up wheat (which the leadership took away from them and sold without their permission), they made their own decisions with their funds. All of that autonomy was stripped away little by little. SO SAD.
In this segment you spoke of the three different types of members: those that will leave, those that will stay no matter what and those who are in between. You state that you are in between and that you will stay for your extended family. Now to the point. How about a segment in which you talk with those who have left and not so much why but what have they found or not found to replace the church, have they left god altogether? This is not to give a pathway to leaving but to inform us of the difficulty of leaving.
@18:10 "they're the people that can think about it, and they'll just leave" It always seems like people that think they know more are saying the rest of us our dumb. I can think about it, and I'm not going anywhere. I love this Church!
Thanks for the comment 😁 I think we were trying to communicate how thinking people (like yourself and Nemo) can find a way to stay, IF they are fortunate enough to have a supportive ward / leaders. I’m hoping that’s your current experience too - that you can discuss the tricky parts in classes and it be okay 🤞🏼
@@rooheath My experience (and I have a declining old ward that is very unsupportive) and the data and church programs bear out that people that get more education and remain humble do better in the church. And those data points would seem to say that opposite of the phrase. "they're the people that can think about it, and they'll just leave" It's usually people that are unaware of there "unconcise incompetence" are the ones doing the armchair quarterbacking. And it seems that the tricky parts are usually about who's in charge of what (power) verse the really tricky parts, like asking personal introspective questions of "what am I doing and how can I grow."
It was a pleasure being on the show!
We love you brother!
I’d have so many questions for you if we were to meet. Lifelong member myself in Hawaii. Stopped going about 20ish years ago but still retained my knowledge of the teachings, served a mission, but jus became disappointed, etc. But glad you are there doing your thing. Keep it up.
I’m impressed how Nemo is light years ahead of me when I was twenty six years of age and totally TBM/clueless. Nemo has a bright future taking on life without the Mormon lens of bizarre beliefs.
I discovered this guy's videos not long ago, and frankly I like him more and more. Very nice guy indeed !
Great conversation Ruth and Nemo. Appreciate your work and common sense as I’m on the traumatic path of deconstruction.
You got a community right here 😍
Great episode. Much appreciated the background of Nemo’s youth in the church.
Thoroughly enjoyed your corridor conversation with Nemo, dear Ruth. You guys are absolutely right: the individual can indeed make a difference, as documented by your recent success with the Safeguarding Children in the UK campaign (!). Kudos to 21st Century Saints!! Also, I truly applaud Nemo's brave decision to do this work full-time. He is such a great thinker and thorough researcher. I admire his intellect, integrity, and eloquence. You Britvengers are making a difference and paving the way for a more open, more inclusive, more beautiful tomorrow. Keep up the great work!!
Thank you so much Robert. And please know, we greatly appreciate your support ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thank you so much 😊 really appreciate your support!
It makes me feel a tiny bit sad I resigned 4 years ago.
After years of church hopping/online hopping, religion my findings became all religion is manmade. I love studying the bible in hours of online classes, as I do not believe.
I recently went back to my ward and asked to be apart of the community as a non believer who will never come back to membership. I go once -ish a month. It is working out ok but the sunday school teacher looks scared when I show as my NT knowledge is way beyond their comfort zone.
Thanks for that nice video. I love those accents too.
Not gonna lie, I really love all the accents of the growing Britvengers company. It's what my ancestor cousins sound like.
Nice interview, Ruth! I really like the young man to your right. In spite of being a retired professor, I wish I had had the experience Nemo got at his flat in Oxford practicing critical thinking and logical fallacies with his roommates.
Epic and funny... singing in the choir and almost voting opposed!!
Talking about being a dynamic organization (39:30), the way the Relief Society was originally setup, gave the women so much freedom. They built a hospital in Salt Lake, they saved up wheat (which the leadership took away from them and sold without their permission), they made their own decisions with their funds. All of that autonomy was stripped away little by little. SO SAD.
In this segment you spoke of the three different types of members: those that will leave, those that will stay no matter what and those who are in between. You state that you are in between and that you will stay for your extended family. Now to the point. How about a segment in which you talk with those who have left and not so much why but what have they found or not found to replace the church, have they left god altogether? This is not to give a pathway to leaving but to inform us of the difficulty of leaving.
I listen to Nemo “The Kremlin Watcher”whenever I get the chance. Ruth is the standard I use to measure all Post Mormon Women, both brilliant.
Why does the church have a separate corporation just for copyrights?
@18:10 "they're the people that can think about it, and they'll just leave" It always seems like people that think they know more are saying the rest of us our dumb. I can think about it, and I'm not going anywhere. I love this Church!
Thanks for the comment 😁 I think we were trying to communicate how thinking people (like yourself and Nemo) can find a way to stay, IF they are fortunate enough to have a supportive ward / leaders. I’m hoping that’s your current experience too - that you can discuss the tricky parts in classes and it be okay 🤞🏼
@@rooheath My experience (and I have a declining old ward that is very unsupportive) and the data and church programs bear out that people that get more education and remain humble do better in the church. And those data points would seem to say that opposite of the phrase. "they're the people that can think about it, and they'll just leave"
It's usually people that are unaware of there "unconcise incompetence" are the ones doing the armchair quarterbacking.
And it seems that the tricky parts are usually about who's in charge of what (power) verse the really tricky parts, like asking personal introspective questions of "what am I doing and how can I grow."
Sis heath you remember me Elder Moonsamy I came to your home for dinner appointments small world
So you engaged the logical part of your brain and then relied on it to guide your beliefs.
How about if the church donates TEN PERCENT of its gross income every month for charities? Why not?
When a church building is closed and sold, it gets used by another church. What would happen with an old temple?
a skating rink??? maybe a theatre or a concert venue. And , sic transit gloria mormondo.
How many members have you lost, if any, from the shrinking economy and fleeing workers due to Brexit?