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The Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero Super Review with Super Spoilers - IT'S SUPER!
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- Опубликовано: 22 июн 2022
- There's a new Dragon Ball movie that just came out, and I'm here to tell you about it. From Piccolo to Magenta, I cover as much that stuck out to me as I can. I even open with a non-spoiler section, just in case you want to know if you'll like it without ruining the surprises. It's coming to the states in August, so be ready to buy your tickets!
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Gohan Blanco and Piccolo Naranja vs Cell Maximo is the most Dragon Ball AF thing ever
Lol I just can't believe they went the Gohan Blanco route
Also, okay, you've made my day having me imagine a version of GT where like, ten thousand evil dragons come out of the Dragon Balls, each one created by Bulma wishing to find her lost keys or whatever.
"So, before we start, what wish were you born from"
"... Bulma wishing to find her misplaced TV remote..."
Krillin solos
"This movie is called Super Hero and yet there is no Great Saiyaman? Why would you even do that?"
Those where my thoughts exactly when I realized there was no Great Saiyaman in this movie.
I didn't miss it I never was a fan of the whole great saiyanman thing
@@gloriempaka9474 I have always loved the Great Saiyaman due to his wholehearted silliness and honest wish to become a hero, even as an adult. It is kind of a way for Gohan to cement his own justice and reminding me a bit of the simpler days of DB Classic.
@@sonicplays8740 yea I get that but for me I always liked the more serious ssj2 Gohan and when he became a silly super hero in the buu saga I wasn't really feeling it I don't hate it but I dont love it as well of that makes sense
@@gloriempaka9474 It's more like, he finally has the freedom to become a silly hero who enjoys fighting for justice, which came from friends. That is the simplicity I see in him being the Great Saiyaman, overexagareted feelings of a youngman. And it adds to the cool factor when he acts more seriously in battle, as Gohan puts aside his usual style in order to finish the battle.
And I get what you mean.
Apparently the reason there are 2 supers in the title is the fact that toriyama forgot the series was called dragon ball super.
of course he did
Toriyama never ceases to amaze me with his unintentional situational humor borne from his brain fluffs and memory short circuits.
i believe it
Yeah, that’s exactly it. He even confirmed it himself
That wacky Toriyama!
I love how you never hold your punches with criticism, something we need in the community
Thank you!
Orange Piccolo being a self-referencial parody of Golden Frieza would be on point for this franchise.
"He can't regenerate."
I like him already.
I was dreading the fact that they might have brought Cell back in this movie like some sort of "Resurrection C", but the fact they just had Hedo make a believable, bastardized version of Cell (since they didn't have all of Gero's data on Cell), even giving him his ugly 2nd form rather than a recolored Christmas variant of his perfect form, and making him a roaring, mindless monster.
I also like how Toriyama apologized to Norio Wakamoto for just having him scream for like a half-hour.
Funny thing, in the Latin American dub, the guy who dubs Cell also dubs Broly, so he's been in two DBZ movies in a row were most of his voice acting is just him screaming his lungs out
Pan: exist
Me: "finally, I waited for so long"
One nitpick I have with the film is the precocious Cell Max name reveal. They could've referred to him as the ultimate experiment or being, to build expectation. They gave his name to the audience way too soon.
Well, at least Gohan's new transformation (as pointless as it was) made me burst out laughing because of the Gohan Blanco memes from years ago.
It would be amazing if Toriyama knew exactly what he was doing when he chose to go for white hair.
Eh it's probably Toriyama just finally including "Super Saiyan White" that he said he wanted a while back, which if I recall correctly, is what cause the Blanco meme in the first place.
Anyway as dumb as it looks, I do at least appreciate the visual story telling of using colours of heat to represent the power of the Saiyans forms.
@@TeamTowers1 The meme is older than that.
@@Enskyed The Gohan Blanco memes skyrocketed during the Universe Survival Arc. They might have existed before, but weren't nealy as popular then.
What TeamTowers1 is likely talking about is Toriyama saying in an interview around the time of the Universe 6 Arc that he was considering giving Goku a White-haired transformation, but scrapped this idea because it would have clashed with the next villain (problem referring to Fusion Zamasu).
@@succubastard1019 This is true, however that was only publicised in 2016, and Gohan Blanco was brought up in 2015 with Fukkatsu no F.
I don't care if it only got popular in the mainstream later, it was already a topic then on 4chan.
Small disagreement regarding Broly - Paragus and him weren't cohersed under false pretenses to work for Frieza. They went in fully knowing that King Vegeta and the rest of the saiyans were dead, only Vegeta remaining. Yes Frieza tricked Broly when killing Paragus, but that only made him go berserk due to the stress of losing his father, he didn't even pin the blame on Goku.
Also the new gohan transformation is called GOHAN BLANCO. Obviously.
So... His new transformation is literally named " white rice"
@@dDoodle788 Well, that's funny, but it's a Spanish fanon name
@@dDoodle788 it's a meme
@@Laekith But White Rice sounds just as funny
Mistare Fusion might be referring to the fact that Freeza lied to Broly and Paragus about Planet Vegeta’s destruction. He said it was a meteor rather than his own doing.
That is exactly what Dragon Ball needs more smaller scale of problems but more emphasis on character driven stuff. And the flawest point of the movie seems to be those unnecessary new transformations.
So overall glad to get more focus on other characters and all that.
Honestly I think Piccolo's new form feels a lot more pointless than Gohan's.
@@TeamTowers1 Both are pretty pointless
Yeah, except it's not smaller scale if "Gohan's the only one who can defeat Cell Max" and he has to get a new transformation for it, that makes no sense btw since Ultimate Gohan is supposed to be his full strength
@@Laekith Gohan Blanco 😍😍
Yeah "smaller scale" yet Cell Max suppossedly would beat Goku and Vegeta.
I feel like gohan's hair size in his new form is intended to make him look like ssj2 teen gohan but in adult form. As if there was no other way to make gohan relevant. Even though i like the form even if it looks really exaggerated, i think gohan could have been in the spotlight again with something else. I wasn't even expecting a new form for gohan in this movie. Also, why did the transformation scene have to mimic the cell games one so much ? It still feels different within its own context but still.
The issue with the beast gohan design is the fact they didn’t consider the fact how off looking it does on a grown up gohan, the ssj 2 design worked because he was a kid and kids usually have larger heads so the hair didn’t look off but here it looks ridiculous and they don’t take into note why the design of ssj 2 kid gohan worked when it doesn’t work for adult gohan here.
Yeah no the SSJ2 design never worked for Gohan, turning him into Goku was the worst thing that ever happened to him because he hasn't developed at all since becoming an adult. The whole point of Gohan was to have kid Goku and adult Goku at the same time. The second Gohan grew up aka the moment he went SSJ2 he became diet Goku. The Gohan fan boys don't want to accept that still.
Gohan was nothing like Kid Goku though
I really liked Gohan doing the Makankōsappo.
Piccolo: Future Trunks was adamant you learn this in case you lost an arm for some reason
Surprised you didn't mention Dende saying "we can wish wiping out the RR army, oh but your pride wouldn't let you" being the *same* thing as Bulma and the dragon team at the start of the Android Saga not looking for Gero before the catastrophic date, Toriyama caving a grave that wasn't needed to be there
NO! I DON'T WANT! PICCOLO BEING A MEATHEAD?!
@@samueloak1600 Sorry, me neither, but that happened, and Piccolo's answer was just... silence.
@@samueloak1600 Sorry, me neither, but that happened, and Piccolo's answer was just... silence.
@@hblancoramos6873 Yeah ik, I hated that, they could have just said the Dragon Balls were inactive because of Bulma's wishes or something. Also, Bulma should have fixed Gamma #2.
It would have been funny if he would have been okay with that, but Dende decided to give him another ‘gift’ he didn’t exactly want
Dende: We could have the Dragon wipe them out but your pride wouldn’t let you
Piccolo: Actually I’d be okay with-
Dende: Shenron! Make Piccolo stronger!
Piccolo: Wait no! Now it’s a gamble-
Dende: There ya go! You came to me to have your strength increased and now it has been! You’re welcome! ^_^
Piccolo:…
The Pan flying thing I think was probably Toei making that decision in the Super anime and Toriyama never seeing it or ignoring it when writing the film.
It’s likely due to the fact that Pan wouldn’t have remembered flying as an infant
@@wolfherojohnson2766 that’s more of a way to rationalize it “in-universe” . But given the way Super anime was produced vs the story beats in this movie, my explanation is probably why.
The scene featuring Pan flying was just a filler scene that Toei came up with, whereas this movie's script is fully written by Toriyama. I don't get why it confuses people so much.
@@succubastard1019 there’s multiple scenes of her flying in the anime but yes you are correct
What about end of Z? Pan already knows how to fly there.
I enjoyed this, but I am annoyed that Gohan's Ultimate state is still treated as a "transformation" he has to undergo. That never seemed to be the case originally and I thought the whole point of it was that he could access his full power WITHOUT HAVING to transform. But whatever, they need merch. Gohan's new form was undoubtedly a nostalgia pull at his peak state in the franchise, but the SSJ2 hair looks a bit ridiculous on an adult Gohan. At least it wasn't JUST an arbitrary color change though.
Agreed. I hate the sharp eyes on Gohan, and generally dislike him "transforming" into Ultimate, it's too video game for me. The new hair are... certainly a choice, but I will say personally I thought he looked pretty good in his regular Super Saiyan form. The colors and the sizing of the hair were very pleasing to my eye
He literally transforms into his ultimate form when he first gets it...
@@bussinnutsfuckinbutts5368 No he doesn't, the Grand Kai just tells him to power-up like normal and that a transformation is just an unnecessary light show.
@@LordCornshoe his hair and eyes change bro it's a transformation. Gohan lost it in resurrection f and didn't get it back till midway through super
@@bussinnutsfuckinbutts5368 My whole point is that it wasn't originally intended to be. Toriyama wrote it as the literal OPPOSITE of a transformation. The text specifically says that Gohan doesn't NEED to transform anymore to unleash his full power. His ultimate state should have been a permanent power-up where he could access his full potential just by powering to max. But over the years, it's just become another transformation and something Gohan could "lose" somehow.
I just had this hilarious realization in my head. Goku promised the Elder Kai that he’d get to have… “fun” with Bulma so that he’d unlock Gohan’s potential, and we later learn he hates the fact the Dragon Team uses Dragon Balls. So imagine his reaction to learning that the hot lady he was promised uses the Dragon Balls for the most vain wishes. XD
It would be GT all over again
Hearing what you said aboit wanting this movie to have been all about pan in kindergarten got me thinking
I would love an episode about Pan and Piccolo
Pan goes to school, Gohan and Videl are busy and so Piccolo has to take her to school. Along the way, Piccolo hears talk of a threat of some kind in relation to either the school or to the area she'd be in (like maybe they go on a field trip somewhere and that's where a threat is)
Piccolo would try and stay close to ensure her safety but also have to stay out of sight
I'd have the threat be something light, and probably something that Piccolo would misunderstand and at wouldn't be serious at all
This is a very loose idea as I haven't given it much thought yet but I'd love this way more than 15 episodes of fight fight fight
Honestly the next movie being set after the end of DBZ and having Pan as the hero, would be pretty cool. Keep Piccolo in his mentor role and build upon the dynamic he and Pan have here.
10:38 I was really confused by the way you described this. The word you're looking for is diegetic. The superhero sound effects are diegetic so Piccolo can see them
I will just say, i agree with a lot of what you said. So here is some ideas of what could have been done to fix the movie.
The first attack of the gamma's happens after Piccolo goes for Pan on Kindergander, Piccolo retreats, not because it's too much for him, but for Pan. He begins to follow him, but Pan hitches on his cape(Of course the cape would come to bite him in the ass), we have the infiltration with then doing different gags, playing out of each other, etc. In the middle of that, we show Gohan finishing his work and while he is organizing his work place, he see's his old Saiyaman costume, looks around the house quickly and the clock realizing Piccolo already got Pan from the Kindergander, so he decided to take an hour to do one of his hobbies from time to time, being the Great Saiyaman.
Things get serious on the Red Ribbon base, the Gamma's find Piccolo and Pan, one of the Gamma's grabs Pan thinking she was Kidnapped by Piccolo, Piccolo thinks they are kidnapping Pan, so he escapes to get Gohan so they can rescue her. Magenta turns it, into an actual kidnapping when he realize one of the Gamma's has the granddaughter of Mr. Satan. Piccolo goes to Gohan, they go together to the base fighting time begins, but this time, no new transformations, just old stuff but they push to the limits of their powers, and Gohan, because it's *HIS THING* gets an anger powerboost when he thinks the explotion got to Pan and another one when he Piccolo is dead.
... Also none of that crap of Goku forgetting that his training with Kami was of Spiritual nature about not wasting movement, being a calm, etc. None of forgetting the crap that Vegeta was talking about is stuff he already knows how to do.
Not Kindergander its Kindergarten which means Childgarden in german!
I enjoyed this movie much more than DBS Broly as well.
My issue with the Gammas is that they don't really do Super Hero stuff aside from fighting who the RR tells them to fight, and not wanting Pan to get harmed. They feel more like employees of the organisation rather than active Super Heroes, who could have still been used to give the new RR a better name in the world.
As for Cell Max, never I thought I would say this, but part of me believes that bringing back the actual Cell would have been more effective: Cell Max is just a bootleg knock-off with none of the powers nor demeanor of its predecessors, and doesn't even come off as an intimidating threat because aside form Number 2 performing the most unnecessary sacrifice in history, doesn't even kill anyone, with it being defeated because Piccolo literally asks Gohan to get angry again like the good old days. At least Hirudegarn attacked the city multiple times and felt like a persistent threat throughout his whole movie. He is basically CINO (Cell In Name Only).
If it had been the actual Bug Daddy, having Hido come to face with his Grandfather's greatest creation and the Gammas' predecessor and realising how horribly malicious it was would have been far more interesting to see, as well as him harming Pan to get his revenge on Gohan or something like that. Would have had a much higher chance of making the climax even more crammed, but come on, if you want to go full fanservice for the final, then go all out, Cell is even the only major villain from the original manga the series not to be alive in some way (except for Red, lol).
How did you watch it so early?
@@sunwukong5518 People uploaded it on YT.
@@succubastard1019 :/ was taken down
Cell Max is exactly like Bio Broly, a copy mindless of a already great villain just created for fanservice. I know it would be repetitive to bring in yet another villain from the dead, but it would be a fun experience to see the Cell who considered himself so perfect and complete be overwhelmed by everyone around him, forcing him to train and master himself to reach his perfection.
Maybe the next movie will just be Pan's day at kindergarten
It was posted from the Room of Spirit and Time.
17:12 I think it would have been funny if Goku brings up that Vegeta already beat him
Goku: Congratulations! You beat me again!
Vegeta: That’s right Kakarot! Admit tha- wait what do you mean ‘again’?
Goku: You beat me the first time we met remember?
Vegeta: Oh no! YOU beat me Kakarot! Because otherwise that would mean that I got beat by… by…
Yajirobe: **
This is a conversation the series needs to have lol
First reviewer to bring up that gamma 2 was literally creating his “POWS” so everyone he fights can see them. You’re the first reviewer that I believe watched the movie. All of the other reviews came out before subtitles were available so they all got ahold of a synopsis of the movie and based their reviews off of that. Some reviews actually pretended like they didn’t read the synopsis and just tried to act like they’ve already seen a subtitled version. You can tell they only based their review from the synopsis because they completely miss taking about certain scenes that would clearly be remembered if you watched the film.
Got the pleasure of seeing the film, and while I'm still not a fan of its cg direction, I love it's story! It's great to see other characters( especially Gohan and Piccolo) get a chance to shine! Stories don't always have to be Goku and Vegeta, so I was happy to see them take a back seat with Beerus. Also I loved seeing more of our dear little Pan ❤ ( though I wonder if she forgot how to fly as an infant)!
From what I have seen It's certainly no "Lupin the third : the first" which is a shame.
The animation in the trailers has been very mixed bag. The cgi can look very cutscene-y with stiff arm and head movements. It feels like more of a gimmick move than artistic inspiration.
@@deadpanjelly2913 hard disagree. It looked really good in most scenes, and they used 2D throughout the movie if it added to the scene. Not to mention the CG is absurdly good for CG. Only real gripe was Videl having less screentime than a beetle that Gohan was studying in the movie, and that's just kinda par for the course. At least Goten and Trunks got a couple of good hits in, but I'm kinda tired of the over-reliance on Gotenks, and even as teenagers they screwed up the transformation and we got fat Gotenks.
Where did you see it?
@@derpfluidvariant0916 unfortunately the film still looks like a cut scene but longer. It cannot be ignored. While the Broly movie had 2D with little cg, it's reversed here. Personally I wished it were back in its 2D direction throughout the whole movie...especially seeing Yuya's art direction and beautiful action cinematography. But that's just my opinion. Definitely catch it when it hits the US so you can enjoy it and properly see what the film looks like in full.
@@sunwukong5518 saw it oversees.
I would not be surprised if they went with CGI to avoid drawing Cell’s spots again.
"My oft repeated problem with Dragon Ball Super era Dragon Ball is that it introduces tons of great ideas and does nothing with them."
In other words, it's GT in a new package.
Still have yet to see the movie in full, but really enjoyed what I saw so far and what I'm hearing.
I love all the characters Toriyama has been creating for the "modern" Dragon Ball movies, and these were no different.
As far as bringing back the Red Ribbon Army goes, as well as the "relative of old villain" trope, I liked how Magenta and Dr. Hedo were handled.
Magenta is fun in that he feels like he should be a complete Red clone (and its been so long since we saw Red that it could easily be justified to make him that) but he's also quite different in certain aspects.
Like, most notably, he doesnt seem bothered by his height, as far as I could tell? Sure, he stands on little stools and stuff a lot, but that seems more for practical purposes than anything. Never snaps at Carmine for hovering around him either. A nice subversion, if just a small detail.
Hedo is also fun in how he just has like, zero reverance for his "legacy", like Magenta brings up Gero, and Hedo just ouright says he doesnt really care and never even met him. And then he uses his Gero-style talents to create the kinda goofy super heroes he loves.
Not sure if it was intentional, but I also like how here the more goofy character is related to the "Z" villain, while the more serious character is related to the "OG" villain.
Something I feel has to be unintentional but I really enjoyed was Hedo and Magenta's back and forth about Cell Max. Like Magenta just being like "the Gammas suck, I want a serious, not silly weapon, so make me Cell already!" and Hedo just really not feeling that was just kinda amusing, considering how much the general (Western) fandom has been clamouring for "Resurrection C" or something.
Really felt for Hedo when he was just half-assing that Cell Max project there.
I think my favourite parts were the small bits of character acting, makes it look like a well directed movie y'know
Also Piccolo's moveset as a fighter is way more interesting than the Super saiyans
One of my favorite bits was when the RRA were recording the ransom video, and Pan was acting scared, and she was acting so well, that Piccolo was giving her the double thumbs-up.
Gohan Blanco was so powerful he became real!
Esto es el fin Cell Maximo
The Mexican Dragon Ball community is amazing.
Now we just have to wait for El Hermano
@@Nastara you mean the LATAM community XD.
Of course Mistare would prefer this over Broly not the least bit surprised. I'm so glad they made Piccolo the lead role, his protagonism during the Cell saga is severely underrated and the humour surrounding him was excellent. Gohan still has a long way to go before rivaling his peak but it's a start? It's great the film was able to sell so well despite being lighthearted and frankly taking risks by going against the status quo i.e. the saiyan show. Now if only the classic human trio can get their shine.
Didn't it flop in japan? Or was this specifically done for a foreign audience? Because I remember reading that this movie wasn't advertised much in japan.
If Gohan did get suited up we could have called this movie “Dragon Ball Super: Extreme Poses!! The Three Great Superheroes”
When I think of Pan flying I think of young Gohan... under high stress when Piccolo threw him toward a mountain he reflexively controlled his Ki and blasted it. but did not have mastery of it. Throughout Gohans childhood he struggled to realize his full potential unless his back was against the wall.
Pan similarly has her back against the wall and then flies.
basically this was suppose to be piccolo solo movie but the writers basically told toriyama they want gohan as well so final gohan is more of in add on to keep up with piccolo. if they were just going to use cell then just have him come back as clone in regular size for gohan to fight.
Final Gohan also seems to exist to undo Gohan falling behind Goku and Vegeta.
Do you have a source for that?
My favorite part of the movie is the recap of events from the original series at the start.
Not a ringing endorsement there.
Do you prefer the movie or the tv adaptations of the Battle of Gods and Resutrection of F stories?
Apart from the animation which is without a doubt better in the movies.
I really liked this movie. Just the simple fact that Piccolo was in the lead role made me happy in the first place because he's my favorite
I would have love too the old dragonball z method how to fly. Like how Videl learned it from Gohan. That would have been very nostalgic.
Fun fact: Toriyama named the movie “Super Hero” because he forgot that “Super” was already in the title and thought it would just be called “Dragon Ball: Super Hero”.
I didn't really like that they emotionally manipulate Gohan into transforming. Piccolo "dying" is what triggered Gohans transformation, but he didn't even really die. So i guess playing dead in front of Gohan is going to be the new trump card.
Normally new forms aren't this ass but for Gohan and Orange, you're finally right.
Good to hear the movie is taking more time with non goku and vegeta characters, and smaller scale conflicts but sounds like it's still trapped by a few series "necessities" like needing transformations. And I've seen some fanart of both, they're just meh looking. Would've much preferred Piccolo and Pan buddy cop movie
I just watched this last night and thought it'd be something okay to half watch in the background to kill time but boy I loved it. Kept watching it and loving every second.
Even the dumb fight I loved cause the animation and art style was so refreshing.
Pan was surprisingly a huge highlight of the movie😂 loved her when she knocked out the huge guy
like Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan?
Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero...God, the name's so redundant. Fun movie though.
I heard Toriyama forgot the Super part of Dragon Ball Super and no one noticed/told him until it was too late to change things.
Holy cow. RUclips unsubbed me from you like a year ago. I'm glad I randomly thought to come looking for your channel again! I see you've been pretty active lol
Well, that was stupid of RUclips. I'm so glad you're back!
To me, Cell Max isn't nostalgic because it's not that character.
Why would you wanna watch a whole movie about Pan in kindergarten..? Kinda weird.
I'm so glad someone agrees with me on gohans stupid massive hair in his transformation.
dragon ball super: SUPER HERO is a movie all right! I’m just surprised that goten and trunks are finally older now. Thank god!
Dragon Ball Elitists when their Martial Arts Shonen Battle Manga has a Fight scene in it:
🤢🤢💀😩😭😢🤬🥱🥱😴🤮
Fights should progress story
It stopped being about martial arts long ago lol, mostly a light show now
3:33 I walked out during their fight as I just want Goku and Vegeta to finally be apart so...yeah I left lol. Sadly the end credits ruined my plan of avoiding them and I audibly groaned for all to hear 😅
12:30 Lol I actually said that during my viewing then remembered I'm in public, no one cares about that stuff.
15:36 I wore my New Era Saiyaman hat thinking he'd show up at the end and make a new buddy with Gamma 2, my love 😭😭😭!!!! I'm so hurt he was the one to go! Speaking of which, did Pan kill Carmine?
16:30 It made me a bit upset as without Kageyama it felt as hollow (and stupid) as it looked. I really don't get why Toei has dropped insert/ending songs. Cause if we're gonna ride on nostalgia...fully commit to it. Like Pan could've sung a small rendition of "Piccoyo-san Daisuki", do an updated Tamashii no Tamashii, bring 17 in to finally team up with 18 against "Cell", DO SOMETHING OF VALUE BEYOND RECOLORS!
Overall didn't love it, just liked it but wish it were longer in the 1st half (and had toddler Bra!) which is the same compliant I've had for 20+ years. Oh well.
Agreed, It was the best Dragon Ball thing to come out of Super by far. I wouldn't be against watching it again at some point, which is far more than I can say about the other modern DB movies and all of Super in general.
What about bog?
@@user-fy1nq3nf1q I consider that a Z movie given that it came out several years before Super. But I did like this more than Battle of Gods. It was funnier and it had more going on story wise.
Clickbait thumbnail aside, I like both movies for entirely different reasons.
This is why Toriyama is unequaled. He puts out radically different art sequentially, and have them be of extremely high caliber.
i went and watched. goku berates vegeta for meditating and says meditating isnt training. the writers clearly dont give a damn about these characters any more.
It is endlessly funny that this movie is just Bio Broly again.
Happy 1st year anniversary DBS: Super Hero!
It was definitely a fun movie! Piccolo and Pan make a great duo, I liked Dr. Hedo and the Ganmas, and it's always nice to see the Earthlings become a bit more aware of Goku and friends. However, for me personally, Beerus developing a crush on Cheelai (or Cheely, I guess) caught my attention the most! I've have been speculating for a long time what Toriyama plans to do with this development, especially with the Black Freeza arc starting (I hope) within the next few months. With so many factors to consider, I've come up with what I feel are two definitive conclusions:
1. Broli Vs Beerus is going to happen, guaranteed! They've been setting this up since "DBS: Broly", both with Goku stating that Broli could be stronger than Beerus, and that he could destroy Beerus' planet if he were to go berserk. Now, thanks to this movie, we know what will most likely kick start this fight: Beerus confronting Broli out of jealousy!
2. They're setting up the next official Dragon Ball couple; it's either going to be "Broli X Cheelai" or "Beerus X Cheelai." Call me crazy, and I could be proven wrong, but unless they plan to end Dragon Ball (for real this time) after the Black Freeza arc, my gut feeling tells me that "Beerus X Cheelai" might just be more likely!
I watched the movie yesterday, and when I got to the part where Dende just upgrade the Dragon Balls I wished they'd make some kind of journey that's required for doing that, maybe the liquid that Dende pours into the Shenlong statue was something that would have to be made from some incredibly rare substances that Piccolo would have to find and obtain himself, it could work as a trial to justify the power up and also explain why they don't just do upgrades to them all the time.
I don't know, maybe this would end up dragging the movie, but I'd take this over the scene in Beerus' Planet
“Transformations were a mistake. There, I said it.”
Preach ✊
Also, and I know I’m overcommenting, but one thing I noticed about this movie and DB Super specifically is that they seem completely ignorant of Dragon Ball’s established level of technology in both the manga and anime continuities. Suddenly, we have 21st century level tech that didn’t exist when the original story was written just permeating throughout all of DB Super, and it’s at its worst in this movie. I mean, Piccolo literally has a FaceTime call-on an iPhone no less-with Videl at the beginning of the movie, and then Bulma later on.
Hell, Bulma makes a RUclips tutorial video in the Zamasu arc of Piccolo demonstrating how to use the Mafuba, and if they were trying to go for a gag, I don’t get what it is, because the lack of humor is ASTOUNDING. They even introduce something called “GodTube” that the Kaioshin use in that arc, which is just…HUH??
I thought this movie was a lot of fun. Still lean more toward Broly because of its Godly animation and direction, but Superhero displays all the best elements of Dragon Ball in it to a greater degree
8:08 i mean Granolah is a man child
Mohaito (i think the Namekian is called like this) is also not that bad since he was worried about big baby man
and you can tell Toriyama likes his comic moment with the Gamma lol
I felt so weird finishing this movie. Like i loved it i really did i watched it with my friend and we came in ready to get annoyed cause modern dragon has left me with so little faith in the future of this franchise that i grew up loving. I was excepting fan wank fest and nothing more and while yes it does do that especially near the end the story itself had me smiling with joy almost all the way through i loved the gamma's there serious/goofy dynamic is fun to see even in the background cell MAX didn't piss me off to high heaven cause he's not cell brought back and he's every part of cell people disliked about him hell gohan doesn't even have a real reaction to him like PTSD attack or something cause why would he he's outlived this he's just a threat to beat, also yes this is best adult gohan im so happy to see my boy done some justice i love nerd gohan. By the end of this movie i had a ratatouille moment where i felt like a kid again just watching my favorite show not because of nostalgia nd them showing off the cooling thing ever cause yea i agree the movie giving gohan a new form is dumb and it doesn't look that good but because i actually loved the characters they feel like a group a team. I've said this before but i honestly think modern dragon ball is held back by goku and vegeta i love them i really do but the writer have no idea what to write for them anymore they feel like just the strong guys there like frieza saga goku they come in they have a cool fight but thats about it and its gotten old atleast for me. but hey 22 years and still watching and loving dragon ball so who am i to judge.
P.S love your videos lance hope to see many more :)
Great video. I discovered Dragon Ball Dissection about a year or two ago and binged all the videos that had been so far released up to that point. Can't wait to see what you do after DBZ TV is over (I'm sure you mentioned what exactly you're doing several times, but I forgot... I'll enjoy it regardless. I enjoy your takes on this series I've loved my whole life.)
Spoiler (for those browsing the comments while they listen to the video):
Wait... they based Cell Max on the second form of Cell? The ugly form sandwiched between the creepy first form and the iconic third form? That's hilarious.
I love your videos, man. You’re so cool !
Do you have a review of the Broly movie? I didn't see it in your Playlist. I specifically would like to hear more of your thoughts on how it included dragon ball minus into the story.
Yeah, it's in my Dragon Ball playlist. ruclips.net/video/01IxKIRedgg/видео.html
@@MistareFusion Thanks, don't know how I didn't notice that.
Were you in the Dragon Ball playlist or the Dragon Ball Dissection playlist? If it was the latter you wouldn’t have seen it.
@@MistareFusion I think it was the one that is just Dragon Ball, I guess I was scrolling through a little too quickly
Hearing you say that you liked it is literally the only thing that makes me want to see it
I agree with a lot here except the fighting. That's a big reason I watch Dragon Ball after all, and it helps that the action is usually stellar.
I could have done without the Goku Vegeta fight though.
Just seen it last night...and I honestly believe Toriyama to be trolling at his fullest here lol.
I believe this movie was made for us westerners in particular, cuz most of us complained about how gohan or piccolo were used properly anymore, more specifically the former.
Ya know what? I love this movie, cuz I damn sure can't hate it lol. It's fun and isn't meant to be taken seriously in any way, if u do, that's just what he wants lol.
after watching super hero I really, really, really want a spin off of piccolo and pan!
Got to see it subbed last night for the US premiere in my area. Definitely a light crowd, even for the Dolby experience at an AMC. I definitely didn’t have to worry about obnoxiously loud fans.
I agree this is a fun movie. We're way past taking the story and power scaling seriously, and I liked the comedy and some of the dynamics. I just wish some character traits weren't flanderized too much, but we could argue Dragon Ball always does it to suit it's story.
I think this will be as close as I get to watching this movie
I just came out of this film a few days ago and I agree with most everything you said. The Gammas were great, the Goku/Vegeta/Broly stuff was too long, and Pan’s “first” flight was underwhelming.
Good video.
I was thinking of you Lance when watching the film! Figured you’d enjoy a lot of it
0:38 not to mention you'd be able to see it in its purest form
I was getting tired of the transformations but if it gets these reactions out of you then bring on even more transformations, ultra instinct 3 with long black hair
Hey lance, I know this is a old video so you may not see this but I was wondering how you think dragonball should solve it's transformation problem. I agree with you in thinking that transformations have become a crutch for dragonball but at this point it's become such a staple of the franchise, that many fans expect and want new forms. How do you deal with this problem? Especially when the new form makes the old one obsolete?
The Broly fight was not under false pretenses. He just told Broly to fight.
They've been doing subbed/dubbed showings for a while. Even Broly had subbed showings.
Not here in the U.S. they didn't. None of them did. In fact, for Broli, they announced them and then canceled them, if I recall. Or at least they announced them only to later clarify it was for other countries. I remember being extremely disappointed.
Hey, how's that Empire Strikes Back Radio Drama review coming along?
The thumbnail isn't even a big deal for me because I always valued BOG more than broli given the spotlight on characters, character usage for so long in the series has been god awful, but BOG does deep cuts and even admits it with "but ooloong, when's the last time you did anything useful?"
Idk about anyone else, but I wouldn't mind straight to camera-minimal editing vids 😁
Do you plan on reviewing the modern Dragon Ball films for Dragon Ball Dissection like Battle of Gods or Resurrection F?
Holy Mackeral, Fusion praised a modern Dragonball story?
Is this the Matrix?
Thanks for liking! I cannot wait for Super Hero. It is shaping up to be my favorite Dragonball thing ever. Who’d thought that Toriyama could still deliver?
Final Gohan looks cash asf. I want that toy.
So how did MistareFusion see the movie? Did he pirate it or travel to the Japan...if it's the latter and you're in the Nagoya area, let's have sushi.
It seems they have to have plans for more with the build up of Goku, Vegeta and Broly. It was distracting having them there we only needed 10 sec to show that the ice cream bucket was on the staff. But then again for newcomers they wanted to introduce and show Berrus and the others.
But I really liked they did new things for this movie, Piccolo infiltrating I am not gonna question that he is good at that. So that is what would have happened if Piccolo survived the Saiyan attack and went to Namek. I like the RR characters. I just would have liked if Hedo started his own company and become a rival for Bulma buisness wise.
Now it is only making the Brief´s hosehold even stronger. At this point why not teach people using ki and now have backup androids to fight and protect the earth.
8:17 why is it bad the better version comes later? If this was released earlier you'd think the manga's version is even worse because it follows this.
So I am just going to comment on a small thing that was mentioned in this video because this annoys me to no end. The "appealing to western audiences" thing. Im sorry, but who cares what the Western audience wants. Its clearly not offering anything good. So many Japanese companies want to try and appeal to us, and ya know what? I hate it. I love Japan because they are Japan. They are unique and different. Their traditions are fun and their history is fascinating. They have ideas you wouldnt see in Western media. Is Japan perfect? No. No of course not. No civilization is. But I seriously want this to end. All the cool and special things that are in Japanese media is gone when they try to appeal to us.
1,000% with you there. *Transformations were a mistake.*
Throw Kaioken in there too. The utilization in the Saiyan Saga was tolerable but it just spirals into absurdity
15:43 It's called Gohan Blanco.
Watched it 2 days ago and have to say that it might be my favorite DB Movie.
I agree on most of your criticism. Cell Max and the Goku/Vegeta stuff could have been cut for me.
The only competition to this movie are Battle of Gods, Super Broly and Mystical Great Adventure
This movie is such a mixed bag, it’s not even funny. I really like the attention given to Piccolo, the slice of life stuff is great, and I did enjoy the Gammas as characters. Everything else is either meh or I just can’t fuck with.
I don’t mind the CGI, and it’s pretty solid, but it’s also not making me go, “Wow, this is the best Dragon Ball has ever looked” either. I don’t know, when you’re a Honkai fan and seeing how they made their 3D animations for a literal phone game, I’m not really that impressed by a fully CG Dragon Ball movie.
Second is that Gohan doesn’t really do too much as a character. Sure he does carry the movie’s action by doing all the “big stuff” and defeating the main bad guy, but he’s pretty much absent for the first half, and this is kinda personal, I feel like his character kinda regresses in this movie. Like, the whole supposed point in Super was that he was learning to balance his life and keep training to stay strong and protect his family, yet in this movie, Piccolo is yet again egging Gohan to keep up his training, and before anyone tells me that he still kept training because he turned into his Ultimate form, the only reason he did that was because Piccolo had to get him upset to bring out his power. Gohan wouldn’t need to do that if he was consistently training.
But it’s okay because he was able to get a transformation that literally comes from nowhere because he “deserves it”, and isn’t just created because this movie’s second half is riding off of nostalgia for the Cell Saga. It’s why we have a Cell has the final bad guy to beat. Speaking of which Cell Max…No! Just no. I’m already against the notion for bringing back villains just recycle their fights scenes, but this is even worse because this time they brought Cell back without any of the qualities that made people like him. He’s just a big Unga Bunga monster that literally has no personality and isn’t threatening or memorable in the slightest. His existence just brings the movie down so hard.
So yeah, that’s my overly-long rant about this movie. I want to love this movie, and I can get behind the idea of focusing on the other characters, especially as a Gohan fan. But I also don’t give something slack because it shamelessly panders to me, and I feel like movie could have been down way better than it is right now.
Gohan reveals he was training in secret at the end of the movie. The scene you mentioned about Piccolo having to get him upset is played up as a gag - it plays out with Pan half-heartedly whining, Gamma 2 calling Piccolo out and Gohan immediately powers up to Ultimate. That's it, it's nothing deeper than that.
Eh, I'm not interested in the movie. Great video anyway.
Pan is the BEST part of this movie hands down like WOW. Her chemistry with piccolo is AMAZING