[GL][T-43] BANISHED!! PAN AM diesels take their last ride south
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- CORRECTION: In the video @ 3:25 I said "Back in 2006." I meant to say "1996."
In 2017 Pan Am's first GE locomotives in decades arrived on the property and began systematically replacing many of the older EMD power.... 
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I would like to clear up some confusion here, the 3400's are owned by GMTX and are used on NS Southern Tier trains since the Pan Am power is too crappy to be used to repay HP hours. MEC 615 and MEC 614 were sold to GATX/GMTX to become part of their lease pool after a rebuild. Plus Pan Am wont be retiring any more EMD stuff for a while since they are too cheap to buy more GE's and are so short on power they have been using LTEX lease units which have sat since 2016. As for most of the retired GP40's they are going to GMTX to be rebuilt as lease units as well.
Such typical railfan comments. The term "Too cheap to buy" could be used on almost any Class I and Class II railroad in the USA. Many of them are resorting to the benefits affording by lease units. TO say they are 'too cheap' should have been written as "wisely decided". To say power is too crappy for a HP hour arrangement is also far to simplistic. The fact of the matter is...posts like yours are why more and more and more railroaders do not like the railfan community. YOu take a tiny bit of information and draw completely erroneous conclusions and then trash the very industry you follow.
Sir I would suggest you take a look at Pan Am. Almost all their power is a pos and the company refuses to buy engine oil for the units, and they continually break down with major mechanical failures due to low oil. This is how they run their rr. So next time you try to walk in like a know-it-all please make sure to do your research and take information from someone who is actually affiliated with the railroad.
Furthermore the railroad is too cheap to buy “new” GE’s since they have so many units oos or in the process of being sold that they don’t have enough power to run half their trains on a daily basis. And Pan Am only has 4 lease units so get your facts correct. And NS wouldn’t allow their Geeps and Sd’s on their lines since the units were so unreliable, so they leased 5 GATX SD40-2’s (3400-3404) to pay back HP hours.
Pan Am survives.. In spite of itself..
Trains21 Pan Am has a lot of potential but sadly the owner doesn’t want to tap it and would rather play with his giant train set. They are running SD40-2’s up by where I live because they don’t have enough operational geeps. And this means they are running them over 75lbs and 85lbs Rail. Which the last time they did this caused a oil train to derail. And next year the FRA train will embargo a bunch of spots causing them to pay a fine and repair the bad spots. This is how Pan Am operates, they pinch pennies but in the future it will cost them $1.00 and they spend pennies to fix something which costs $1.00 and I wouldn’t be surprised if the GE’s ended up like their EMD in 6-8 years of poor maintenance.
Very sad about this. These Pan Am EMDs Primaraly the GP40s have been up here in New England since the Boston and Maine and Maine Central days and have become an icon here.
Yeah, Man.. I know, it's rough.
Don't worry they are starting to reactivate the EMD's since the GE's haven't turned out to be a good deal.
Folks should remember that before Pan AM there was Guliford, Springfield Terminal. All made from Boston & Maine, Maine Central, D&H All trashed by Timothy Mellon to make his railroad. He cost hundreds jobs as he attempted to break the unions. Mellon is nothing more that a venture capitalist. His railroad imo shouldn't be spoken about.
AC your videos are always first class, great job. Cheers
Thanks, Joe.. Cheers.. I'm glad you like them.
B&M 334 GP40 is retired
MEC 352 GP40 is retired
MEC 619 606 600 & 604 in that order have been sold to LTEX. They are still in Waterville Maine. Not sure when they'll be shipped out
MEC 317 has been scrapped at Waterville Maine. Saw a report about it on Facebook this evening May 23rd 2022
Thanks for that info.
These 6 locos have been scrapped as of a few weeks ago in Waterville Maine
MEC 312 GP40 Guilford paint
BM 327 GP40 PAR paint
B&M 340 GP40 Guilford paint
MEC 344 GP40 Guilford paint
MEC 508 GP40-2LW Guilford paint
MEC 519 GP40-2LW PAR paint
We pulled 7200 tons with the 327 in Rotterdam one night what a sad demise. Good equipment left for pot.
Hey Trains, I live on the "B&M" main line in Exeter, NH on the East end and many of PAR #600's and #3400's still run through here almost each day along with the GP40's and C40-8, but the B40-8 don't run up here.
I Hope this helps, still watching keep up the good work, But Please more Alco's for us Alco-Haulics !!! Lol
I live a bit south in Haverhill and haven't seen any either. I have a feeling the C40-8s are assigned to the west end initially then be migrated east as needed.
I wonder too how long these new Dash-8s will remain in good working order. PAR and their predecessor GTI are not known for maintenance.
The #606 "Snoot" SD40-2 on this video on June 5, 2018, hope you don't mind........ ruclips.net/video/1K735FJkGjs/видео.html
hehe. I just saw that one after I posted my comment so it appears the "new" units ARE making their rounds through out the system. Thank for the link.
John, Around 8pm Wed. SD40 #600 and SD40-3 #3401 went through Exeter, NH heading west so the Big EMDs are still around. : )
That's great news. I did hear the train from my house, but I'm a bit too far away to get to the tracks in time to catch any action like that at short notice.
Those SD40-2's look really good in blue.
Yes, they do.
For all my life living near Pan Am tracks, all I have seen for Pan Am locomotives were GP40's and GP38's and rarely some EX- CSX dash-8's that are still in CSX paint.
Guilford got rid of most of the GP38s by the mid 90s only MEC 252 was the last one on the system. You might have been mistaken by their vast fleet of GP39-2s which look like GP38s
There's a Pan Am GP40-2 wide nose operating the spur from Rockingham Junction in New Hampshire, to Newington/Portsmouth, NH.. Ive seen 2 once in a while. But it's a shame to see them getting rid of a lot of the SD's. Personally, I like the SD40-2 platform, and they were always a reliable loco... as long as you maintain them that is..
James Canfield Pan Am is run and operated by idiots. A lot of the rebuilt SDs and GPs are GATX owned so they can be expected to be taken back by the leaser. I saw all these SDs in Newmarket back when they were still in their patched/unpatched state. Pan Am in the future will probably get rid of the GEs as well, I’d say sell the Bs and keep the Cs and have the SD fleet rebuilt or upgraded. Pan Am being nearly a class 1 railroad should probably invest in better track maintenance and bring in newer units to replace the old
i love the sd45 s they had a sound of there own i miss been on them just great locos
Yes they did.. I miss them too.
Interesting! Its nice to hear some new on Pan Am locomotives! And I really was surprised on that one hopper full of broken glass!!!!
Yeah, that broken glass caught me by surprise too!!
Awesome video AC!
Thanks, Tyler!!
did you all know that one of Pan Am's SD40-2s is Milwaukee Road's bicentennial unit #156? we should save it
I did not.. Thanks for the info.
The unit blew a crank shaft 3 years ago, and has been stripped of parts.
That was MEC 609.
609 614 & 615 went to the Winchester & Western RR
Sad they look pretty darn good imo👍🏽 nice show
Yeah.. They're going to a leasing company
Pan Am diesels. Didn't Pan Am used to fly airplanes around? Must've lost their wings after Lockerbie.
PanAm did, but then they went bankrupt and died. Eventually, the rights to the name and logo were bought by this railroad.
Actually I was kind of joking. So is this anything at all to do with Pan Am as a corp?
Honestly not sure.
Wallace Wood I read into it a while back, pan am railways has nothing to do with the airline aside from name. The railroad purchased the name and logo rights and it has so far been the only real "successful restart" of pan am.
Thanks Justin for your info.
Nice catch AC!
Thanks, Scott!
Excellent video AC.
Thanks, Hans.
Fantastic Job AC!!!
Thanks, Tim!!!
At 1:16 unit 3404 is a old Jersey Central passenger unit can tell by flat back of unit also had steam generator if i'm right
Those where GP40p . NJ transit still has all 13 of them . but have been rebuilt and lost there flat backs
3404 is ex-QNSL
3404 is ex-QNSL
The 3400-3404 are all ex QNSL SD40-2's. The 3404 recently had a crank shaft explosion which more or less caused it to be retired.
I saw 3403 in Binghamton, NY the 9th
Nice
most of their emd stuff doesnt have cab signal boxes anyway, they always borrow power with the cab signal boxes from p&w
That's funny.
nice video
Thanks
Next to be scrapped is
MEC 312 GP40 in Guilford paint
BM 327 GP40 in Pan Am paint
B&M 340 GP40 in Guilford paint
MEC 344 GP40 in Guilford paint
MEC 508 GP40-2LW in Guilford paint
MEC 519 GP40-2LW in Pan Am paint
Out of service locos are
MEC 317 GP40 in Guilford paint
MEC 350 GP40 in Pan Am paint
MEC 352 in Pan Am paint
MEC 353 in Guilford paint
MEC 354 in Pan Am paint
MEC 383 in GMTX blue/white paint
MEC 516 in Pan Am paint
MEC 517 in Pan Am paint
All scrapped are
601 602 603 605 607 611 612 328 332 370 371 373 374 376 377 378 379 380 382
EMD roster of what's left on the roster are
007 305 306 307 310 313 315 316 317 319 321 326 330 334 345 351 381 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 509 510 511 512 514 515 516 517 518 600 604 606 619 3400 3401 3402 3403 3404 3405
GE roster in service are
C40-8s 7489 7517 7518 7523 7528 7535 7542 7561 7575 7585 7594 7595 7605 7609 7620 7622 7635 7643
B40-8s 5930 5933 5936 5943 5946 5948 5956 5958 5963 5966 5967 5968 5972 5973 5974 5976
C40-8Ws are
7898 7835 7875 7655 7797 7727
C40-8s out of service are
7500 7541 7545 7552 5953
Good stuff as always AC!
Thanks Dylan, glad you liked it.
Hi great job keep up the good work love the videos where is the engine terminal at
Thanks, Man.. NS has many engine terminals.
Nice catches!
Thanks, Man.
MEC 600 604 606 & 619 are all back in service after being stored for at least a month or so
What SD40s are still on the roster?
@@CyberSoldat
MEC 3400 3401 3402 3403 3404 & 3405 are left
MEC 619 606 600 & 604 have been sold to LTEX...they are now labeled as LTEX.
No idea when they'll be shipped out
@@16thavestudios19 I’m sad to see 606 go. Always loved seeing it in videos. The snoot nose was rather different to see. Seeing all of those units unmatched back in Newmarket was a treat when they first arrived on the system. Think Pan Am should balance out the GE fleet
hi yeah what I meant to say is what is the engine terminal at the end of your video enola
:-)
Did Pan Am Railways also buy the Central Vermont or is that still an independent railroad?
It is now the New England Central. Now owned by Genesee & Wyoming.
Rip GP40’s and GP38’s
Yeah :-(
I thought pan am is only operated in the new england area
sometimes they take them to get them repaired or get mods
Hmmm, modeling broken glass. Whatta yathink? Can't use real broken glass, I'll get it in my eye! How about filling it with colored glitter? Ah crap, one derailment and I get thrown out of the house. Back to the drawing board. Love those older EMDs though! Cheers, Dan
Thanks, Dan.. Haha!!
Why did PanAm get banished?
They didn't.. The locomotives did.
I wish i could purchase a locomotive formy birthday im a huge train fan
GUILFORD transportation suxs anyway. they should had left D&H alone years ago.. A C the hell U are getting from the drunks in the comments below i have to say this vid is not worth IT. be safe out there.
Most certainly, Richard.. And thanks.
Pan am? As in the airline?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Railways ...............www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=669&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=jJwiW57SNO7c5gKD4argDg&q=pan+am+railways+sd40-2&oq=Pan+Am+railways+&gs_l=img.1.1.35i39k1l2j0l5j0i30k1l3.46344.48204.0.51519.8.8.0.0.0.0.78.544.8.8.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.7.474...0i24k1.0.MsHgWGcrAwQ#imgdii=vmAEdSPx8HRokM:&imgrc=8NiSqjr6jqPXKM:
Same CEO they bought the name in the 2000's and tried to run the railroad and make a "new" Pan Am Airways the "Pan Am Clipper" which flopped after it failed inspections, so they used the name for their newsletter.
The Pan Am name and logos were purchased by Guilford Transportation and they reorganized as Pan Am Railways in 2006. The only thing linking the former airline and railroad is the name and logos.
GrnArrow092 are they still in business?
wwclay86 Pan Am Airways went out of business in 1991. Pan Am Railways (formerly Guilford Transportation) is still in business today. They own several railroads in the northeast including Boston and Maine, Springfield Terminal, and Maine Central. That’s why you see the MEC reporting mark on those PAR locomotives. They also have a subsidiary company jointly owned with Norfolk Southern known as Pan Am Southern.
lol ALL of my accounts and i mean all fortnite,minecraft,roblox,my nintedo switch users my email every single one is named after 1701 and ive been looking for it for like 7-6 years and i literately just went to Juanita shops a few days ago so... wow i just missed it
I'm sorry to hear that :-(
wow
man this comment is 2 years old. this is my new account, and I found it a year later. Driving on the highway in the yard in newark
Electric is the future. Electric locs are three times more powerful than diesel ones.
Not for a long time, if ever. It's true that an electric locomotive can generate a lot more power than a diesel-electric. But more locomotives and countless gallons of diesel fuel cost less than infrastructure for electrifying tracks.
@@sheilatrachtenberg8997 Electricity can cost NOTHING at all as otherwise it would only mean that there is no tidal force from the moon. We have the world's largest tidal wave powerplant 2 hours from here, 21 fully running nuclear powerplants, 4 submarines that can be nuclear powered via cassette reactor, and a test nuclear fusion reactor that ran at 100 million degrees for 300 seconds, with the neigboring country even having achieved super-i mode, thus being less than 10 years from commercial run. Here 85% of all railways are dual track electric, with 430km/h high speed, 600km/h very high speed with wireless power and variable gauge and 1200km/h vacuum train technology patented in 2009.Oil is only a geopolitical risk, costs much to transport(all gas and oil transport ships, especially the icebreaking ones, are only made HERE not elsewhere) Dieses fuel is carcinogenic(although I highly doubt that you understand what this means) and this is one of the reasons why they are being abolished. Diesel trains can't climb mountains with 33 permille inclination and often required rescue locomotives in the past and this is why they are replaced by electric. Only around 100 diesel locs are maintained for the unlike war situations.I was at the last run of the famous Nahanjeong switchback(now a rail park with small locomotive running there) and the New Village PP train.
sadly CSX just bought Pan Am railways, goodbye Pan Am Railways :(
no narration? :(
the narration starts at 1:38
Pan am geting ge in ther place bye gm
There actually done no way
None of those Pan Am units were "sold off" or "banished" that's 100% #fakenews. I love how everyone is a railroad expert and business mogal. Selling off older crumbling equipment and buying used newer and stronger equipment is called, reality. What used to take 5 emds now only takes 2 c40's. It was a wise business decision in my eyes. And who gives an F what they do, as far as a railfan is concerned if it's a train... watching it and Enjoy it. Stop whining about everything under the sun. If you don't like it, start your own RR and do better.
Somebody had to say it.
While I do agree with your statements, exept I would like to point out one thing, the GE's are the biggest pieces of s*** this railroad has purchased. When they use them to build up trains, and switch cars according to several crews you can take a nap before they load up, and they have constant mechanical issues. They are so bad they have decided it is cheaper to repair most of their oos EMD's. Expect the GE's to be done for on Pan Am in 10 years.
Actually we did sell off those units, and we shouldn't have. Those were rebuilt around 2001,and GATX gave us a good price for our oos SD40-2's, but instead the motive power dept. sent these.