[GL][T-190] Canada's Kooky Locomotives: Comfort Cabs, Draper Tapers, Doghouses (CN, CP, BCOL, QNSL)
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- Опубликовано: 16 мар 2020
- Comfort cabs, Draper tapers, Doghouses.. Our neighbors in Canada have given railroading some of the most visually unique diesel locomotives over the past 40 years.. In this video, we'll be taking a look at them.
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Ditch lights are a Canadian invention too.
That's right, they did.
Well done! That was very kind of you to feature some of the smaller RUclips channels out there, not very often the large channel helps out the little guys. Hats off to you!
Thanks man, I appreciate you watching!
Good video. I am always amazed how accurate you guys are in the railfan community. The one advantage I found on the Draper tapers was when you were protecting the point on a reverse move of the power consist. I can recall one move I made recovering a stall in Mackenzie northern BC where we had to tail back a few miles at 30 below and huge snow drifts. The ability to remain in the heated engine compartment and watch out the door porthole was way better than hanging on to the handrail outside. Eventually these units were taken off the IC due to claimed rear visibility concerns, the real reason was more so their lack of air conditioning in addition to the added heat in the wagon body that also conducted more readily into the cab.
Thanks for that inside info!
Have a good friend who works on a CN train crew. In the upper midwest anyway, any of the cowl's get labeled as "Covered Wagons" or "doghouse" regardless of what specific type it is. Can also confirm, crews loathe them.
Most North American railroaders refers to these as covered wagons. Shitty designed and a pain to work on. Very cramped in there. Old passenger locos (f7,e7,etc..) carry the same name
Nice video A.c! I love how you get straight to the point and have accurate information while also being entertaining.
Thanks Mr. Cat.. I appreciate you watching and enjoying.
I always thought the Canadian oddball locos looked neat. I am building multiple Kaslo shops kits of these unique locomotives in HO scale. I have a built and painted CP Rail 9007 SD40-2F, a 5%built CP SD40-2F, a 90% built SRNJ M420w (former CN), and an unbuilt CN HR616 kit. I also have a GP9u rebuild that is going to be painted for the unit that worked in South Philly railport for the early 90s. Also I think the CP Rail multimark scheme and CN zebra scheme were some of the most visually appealling paint schemes ever applied to locomotives. Thanks again AC for a great informative video.
Thanks Zach.. I like em' too, I was just having some fun in the title! Thanks for watching.
I'm Canadian and I loved and approved this video. Excellent video AC.
Thanks Hans.. All I needed was your stamp of approval!
The Draper Taper was also the first locomotive on CN to have desktop controls. It was reported on the company's newpaper that draper took the brake valve and throttle and bell and horn valves home one night and his wife laid out the position they should be on the kitchen table. The throttle and DB were also the same handle so it now required a pushbutton to shut the locomotives off (read how one railway in the US had a runaway and derailment when the engineers boot accidentaly hit this off button while going dowm a steep grade). Engineers hated the desktop controls as they had to lean forward to operate causing shoulder pain, They if they had chance at the start of a trip they would marshall the draper as a trailing unit. The first ones had different reverser on the earlier models that turned or rotated rather then go forward and backwards, but was retrofitted after a lot of them broke and trains were delayed when the proper reverser could not be found. Switching was a problem as the engineer no longer had a view of the rear account the full body and had to hang out the window to see and could no longer reach the controls. Draper had travelled to Russia to see their locomotives and how they handled the snow. He thought like them the walkways would be out of the elements with the widebody but soon found out the oil and grease on the floor made walking even worse then the ice and snow, And if you tracked snow into the cab it could melt, with the taper the oil and grease was permantly in the cab. After a couple of years the seals on the doors were not as good and the fumes and motor noise would enter the cab. Maintance was a problem as head and water jacket replacement was more difficult. On CN most trains only have one or two locomotives, so when reversing or switching the trainman could no longer ride on the walkways at the end of the locomotive cause there was none and they had to ride on the bottom step. The Draper was also was the first locomotive that had steps that went sideways as you climb. Diffucult to explain but made it more danagerous to get off or on or to climb. As for the windows, I preferred 4 windows because when the sun was right at the horizon you could tilt you body to block it out with the extra post
You also forgot leg room and banging your knees was not fun either. Either while running or switching take it from one who trained on and had to operate them. Thank god they went back to the side control stand that i first saw when i hired on, my back would be in rougher shape than it is now lol.
Sad that CN is now scrapping them now. I wish a museum picked one up.
Another great video AC! I really appreciate a large channel such as yours shouting out smaller channels. Thank you for this video.
My pleasure! Thanks for watching.
I was fortunate enough to catch a BC Rail Draper Taper around 2012/2013 in Tennessee. I'm glad I was able to catch it on slide film.
When the Santa Fe decided to redesign a new and comfortable cab, the railway based its foundation on Canadian National's safety cab design. The ATSF cab committee made a series of visits to study a CN SD50F locomotive cab, as well as a BC Rail unit. From the visits, sense was gained from both the improved operating layout, as well as the size of the cab. One thing that continued to impress the design committee was the use of a desktop workstation for the engineer. The other subjects studied were improving chairs and interior illumination.
After returning from studying the cab, the Santa Fe arranged to borrow from the Canadian National an SD50F locomotive for a series of road tests. The purpose of the exams was to gather reaction from operating crews on the SD50F cab, as well as any further improvements that could be made. After a long, drawn-out skirmish with the U.S. Customs Service, the lone CN SD50F, #5456, was allowed to make one round-trip from Chicago to Los Angeles. The locomotive was paired up with an SDF40-2, an FP45, along with two F45s on the Q-NYLA and Q-LANY. When the train stopped for a crew change, the railroad extended the stop so it could gather crew reactions to the SD50F cab.
Little bit of info on Santa Fe testing a CN SD50F.
Another great subject. Cant wait to watch. Thanks for posting. TMRCI.
Thank you Eric.. I appreciate you watching.
Fantastic information as usual. Pretty awesome that you gave several shoutouts
Thanks Alco!
Really interesting video. I've always loved funky locomotives. With that being said, I've only ever seen three draper tapers. CN and CP doesn't come down there that often. Stellar content as always, Brother!
Thanks Bro.. Appreciate you watching.
👍Thaiks professor AC for your wonderful incite 🚂
Thank you DJ for watching and enjoying!
Interesting History and Nice Shots make for a great video! Good stuff, AC!
Thanks Guys, I'm glad that you enjoyed it!
Thank you so much for mentioning me A.C. !!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm gobsmacked!
Not a problem L&N.
I don't even know why this was in my recommendations, but it was a highly enjoyable and well made video.
Thanks Georg, I hope that you'll continue on this journey with us.
@@Trains21 Yes, that's for sure.
Excellent video I really enjoyed watching your video and enjoyed listening to your voice over in the video. thanks again and hope you have a wonderful day
Very informative as usual, AC!!! 🚂
Thanks John!
Great video and a learning experience.
Nice video. I watched with great pleasure. Thank you very much.
Thank you for watching.
Absolutely awesome! Couldn’t wait for this vid lol! Also I will be posting a video soon with something that you covered in this!
Cool, please let me know when you do!.. Nevermind, just subbed you!
Trains21- Thanks man and I just got the video edited and uploaded!
@@galaxyrailfanning7860 I'll check it out!
Great content! Thanks for share ..
Thanks for watching.
Another Great 👍 video chock full of very interesting information. Thanks AC. 👍
Thanks Ken.
Thanks for posting this interesting video. On CP units DRF stands for Diesel Road Freight. The next numbers indicate the horsepower ie 30 = 3000 HP,44= 4400HP. This info was gleaned from a Highball Productions video describing the CP/ CN lines in British Columbia.
Thanks for explaining that.. It makes a lot of sense now!
@@Trains21 Glad to be of help.
Ayeee thanks man great catches this video was helpful and funny 😂
No problem.. Here's to seeing you get 2,000 subs!
Trains21 I hope so!
@@railfanowen9372 Me too! I'm rootin' for ya!
9:49 Sub of the popular cowlbodied units included the F45, the FP45, Amtrak's SDP40F, the Santa Fe SDF40-2 which was a rebuilt Amtrak SDP40F that was used for freight service, GE had the U30GC, Amtrak P30CH, and even the F40PH type units could be included in this mix.
Neat stuff. Now we need to go out and find ourselves a Draper Taper!
They're out there!
you got it! they were built so they didn’t have to walk outside to go loco to loco in freezing conditions
Excellent!!
Awesome video ac, it's like you read my mind 👍👍not a fan of the full cowl body design but I absolutely love the four window wide cab design on any unit whether it's ge, alco or emd.. keep up the great work my friend.
Thanks Tommy, much appreciated.
Don't forget to give a shout out to Wide World of Trains in Dunkirk, N.Y. He catches a lot of trains daily.
True, but he has 60K subs.. He's not an up-and-comer!
Excellent video !!! Like 👍
Thanks Walter!
Awesome video. Catch these beautiful barns before they are gone, they probably don't have more than a year left unfortunately! Luckily I've caught 7 this year so far
You're so right!
7:02 why is it some how adorable how the BC rail locomotive rocks back and forth like why is it some how cute
In all my time filming the CN, I have only ever caught 2 draper tapers, a CN and a BC Rail. I have only caught a few locomotives still with the 4 window design, mostly GP38-2's. I have never caught a CP SD40-2F but GO Transit's 8 remaining F59PH engines look almost exactly the same with the identical 3 window cab and the full cowl carbody, and I have filmed those workhorses more times than I can count. Amazing video!
Thanks Canadian, I appreciate you watching.
Here is southern British Columbia, the CN Draper Tapers are still pretty common. I see one every fifteenth train or so. The CP SD40-2F were also common, but now gone unfortunately.
@@Berubium Ya, wish i got to see some :(
Live up here on the northern CN route to Prince Rupert and I'm pretty sure I've seen a C40-8M fairly recently. I loved the BC Rail versions with all the lights. Why have three when you can have 5?
@@tedvdw1975 The more the merrier when it comes to lights!
I was fortunate enough to catch a U30CG on a snowy, windy,cloudy,blustery day(Dec. 26) at Corwith in 1977.
Also in the consist was a U28CG.
ATSF at this time, these were kept on the Chi-KC run.
Nice.. Thanks for sharing the memories.
Very nice
Thanks man.
If you're looking for some unusual Canadian catches, CP outshopped five new SD70acu as a series of Military Heritage units, numbered 7020 to 7023, with the fifth being D-Day 6644 (numbered out of the sequence as 6-6-44 to commemorate June 6, 1944). I've seen one or two of these at a time during the last 18 months on the Red Deer and Edmonton subs and passing through Revelstoke, B.C. But all five together just once, on November 11, 2019 in Calgary. A RUclips railfan in Calgary (Calgary Free-mo) put up a video showing all five lined up nose-to-tail for Remembrance Day, November 11th. CP did a really good job with these, representing each of the different services and their appropriate colours and lettering schemes. D-Day Commemorative #6644 is especially eye-catching.
Nice video as always also NS 099 will be transporting Amtrak units down here later
Yep.. I've got it on my radar.. Thanks for the heads up.
Great Video! One a side note , in 1989 the Santa Fe tested several CN SD 50Fs in their trans-con freight pool, but we’re not very successful! The Santa Fe went for the GP60/B40-8B instead!
Thanks, I didn't know that!
Your welcome! It was published on the old CTC BOARD MAGAZINE! November 1989! Stay Safe!
@@spacetruckerrob Thanks, you too!
Thank you for saying my youtube channel name and cool train video.
Not a problem.
Great video keep up the good work. Pls do more on cn very interesting as I live in Canada 👍🏽
Thanks Jeremy, I'll certainly do my best to see what I can come up with.
I miss seeing the CP Rail SD40-2F in British Columbia and have always wanted an HO scale model of it
Very nice... last I heard, the re-purchase of the CMQ rails is still waiting to be approved by the STB in the U.S.And, as humble as I am, Thanks for the mention buddy. The classification with CP is DRF-44 whatever number. Diesel Road Freight, and the number is the ponies under the hood. DRS is allocated to units like GP35;s. Diesel Road Switcher. If I can answer any other questions, I'd be more than happy to.
Thanks RC, let me get some questions together..
I can’t wait. Would you be into doing a live q &a sometime?
Thanks AC My C&O 🎩 off to you Great Stuff🚂
Thanks Michael.
Thanks again AC love what you do
Thanks Ed.. I love having you along for the ride!
anything unusual is welcome in the insanely STANDARDIZED world of modern diesel locomotives. As a railfan and grown adult man I would literally scream for joy like Japanese folks do when they see Dr. Yellow when I see a draper taper or cowl.
Thankyou for taking me to school I for got there are so maney of them so thankyou
Thank you for watching.
Good Stuff !
15:20 Wow! You can see some paint of Conrail on NS 8439!
Sharp eye, even I didn't catch that!
The SD40-2F’s do have some parts different than a SD40-2. CMQ had to buy parts from the remaining units CP scrapped so they could replace the dynamic brakes if needed. Quite a few of CMQ’s barns have been rebuilt to -3 specs, and when they arrived they had a ton of issues which is why CP stored them for so long. I am hoping with the much needed improvements CP will keep them. I have quite a few videos of them in service on my channel and even more that I have to upload.
Nice, I've watched many of your videos and yes, you do have some good content on your channel.. Do you want me to shout it out??
@@Trains21 sure!
Gonna miss those EF640 units
I think you meant "Lac Megantic", Quebec if you're referring to the colossal fireball that destroyed a good portion of the town in 2013.
Yeah, I keep screwing the name up.
You showed CN/SOU 9177 briefly at 20:24. I saw this unit in Harrisonburg, VA at the NS Grace Street yard and took a picture of it out of curiosity. As of October 9, 2018 it was still painted in the livery shown but marked RPCX 9177. At the time you took the picture in Cresson, PA it was marked as SOU for movement to NS after going through a couple middlemen between CN and NS. NS rebuilt it as an F9A sometime in the last 5 years or so ( www.altoonaworks.info/rebuilds/detail/ns_funits.pdf ). I think I saw it just south of Hburg in Staunton, VA April 2019 as well but I was driving so I couldn't get a good look at it. Cool to see it in this video.
That's awesome Matt.. Thanks for that information!
I do know alot of barn locomotives are now owned by Central Maine and Quebec
Central Maine and Quebec is sold to CP now so they bought the barns back lol
Speaking of cowls & taper bodies, CN #2441 was just caught (1 May 2021) leading #5647 on the Albreda sub. They're out there . . .
I like that you give the back story and not just post videos of trains.
I spent some time working for CNR in the 70s and 80s. It was short lived. But I used to be able to identify engines with just a glance. However, most of those engines have been retired and whole new series have been built.
The last time I seen the holiday train which was about three or four years ago, it had a GP40 pulling it. It's my understanding that it's the last GP-40 CPR has in service.
The Loco with the RCMP musical ride logo and GRC. The GRC Carousel is just French Canadian for RCMP musical ride. It is possible that Loco pulled the Horses and show. There are areas of Canada not serviced by good roads and the train may have been a better choice. Just a thought. I'll look into that.
Thanks for all of that great info Joe!
Hope you are safe from all this virus stuff. Cool info about the Draper Taper cowl units. Never seen one in person or that they ever existed. Stay warm and well.
Thanks Jim, I'm doing the best I can.. Staying in and avoiding crowds.
@@Trains21 GOOD! This all will pass
Great video liked 🚄🚄👍
Thank you Brian.
12:36 12:39 The one that wasn’t repainted blue and silver was CMQ #9017, which was instead repainted into the black, red, and grey paint scheme of the Bangor & Aroostook railroad as a heritage unit in recognition of CMQ's trackage in Maine.
The Hoosac tunnel is in Massachusetts and runs between North Adams and Florida, Massachusetts.
Thanks.
Great video. GRC = Gendarmerie royale du Canada, french equivalent for Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
On CPR 9615 - GRC is RCMP in French and the rest of it is Musical Ride in French....
The ex CP F-7B unit is on my railroad just over from you in Honesdale , we also have 2 ex cp FP-7 (1 in service as PRR "9880" and another one oos) a former BL&E f-7 now painted "erie lackawanna: finishing resteration and of course the long time work horse of the EMD BL-2 #54
Nice
13:34 That’s a super rare GMD CN SD40-2W leader in 2015 on CN 31T!
Cn's trains numbera had triple digits and never had double digits
Very good AC! I love all the connected history you produce, or is that reproduce? Lol! I've been wondering about Roly. Last time I looked, it just said his channel was shut down. I'll go look for him now. Thanks AC! Cheers, Danny
Thanks Danny, Roly got his channel back a few days ago!
19:50 CN's C40-8Ms feature a little house to live in on the carbody, and you can even live in that engine while riding a freight train.
19:51 Doghouses
anouther great video, i got a book on locomotive rosters as of 2017 and its very helpful. Also if you need any photographs let me know as i have many of different locomotives. I also found out ow to get to 2 abandoned train tunnels in burnside. These are tunnels 3 and 4 and were dug when the line was first built. If you ever come down south i can take you through them but lest do it in the summer!
Thanks Peyton.. If the Covid-19 subsides, I expect to make it there in the summer.
@@Trains21 Nice I'll try amd keep in touch with you as I can give you alot of history on Burnside as I am a local railroad historian. We have been having a lot of heritage action recently so hopefully that continues as I have gone from 8/20 to 13/20.
Also foreign power has been on a low with only just 3 cn units being the only foreign power I know which was ironically had a C40-8M just after your video here lol
@@Peyton_24 Awesome! Congrats on your Heritage acquisitions!
@@Trains21 thanks
5:05 And even a GE model in the bunch.
Cool! I subbed
What took you so long.. I subbed you a while ago!
Sorry lol Thanks!
The story I heard on the four window cab was it was that more rubber gasket to glass ratio made it stay in place better, designed after a SD 40(-2?) hit a loaded semi carrying crude oil, the glass gave way and the cab filled with burning crude oil... poor guys. Another story I heard was one of the south western states (Texas) railroad SP? or UP? wanted to see how the safety cab worked, It wasn't planned but they had a nose to nose at speed with a EMD built unit and the guys in the CN locomotive came out way better than the guys in the other unit... poor guys. Great video, now on to check out some of the other links.
It was a sd40-2w leading with at sd40 & a sd50F trailing , the train didn't derail but the crew and the truck driver burned to death
Thank you so much AC! That was very, very kind of you!! May I use that shout out clip on my channel?
Thank you again!!!! And a great informative video as always!!!!
No problem Tony.. Most def, all of my videos are "Creative Commons reuse allowed."
Trains21 Thank you again AC! I really appreciate it and I am honored that you chose my channel for consideration!
@@DuMontTV Just returning the favor!
My work is upgrading a bunch of dash nines.
Cool.
Hoosac tunnel in Florida mass.u need to take a trip out here to franklin county.hoosac tunnel.Deerfield yard.necr and amtrak.very busy and diverse area for rail fanning.look at the rail map u will see
9:47
Our old RDG/DH/CSX friend 7412.
7:18 An old Illinois Central Tripp
5 CN Rail HR 616’s still exist in rough condition at NRE in Silvia Illinois they have been stored there since CN retired all HR 616’s in 1998
Wow, thanks, I didn't know that!
19:42 19:43 Draper Taper, Canadian Taper Cabs, Safety Cabs, Doghouses, and Covered Wagons...
my fav cn loco
c44-9wl 'such unusual nose
6:33 6:37 Most are still in their original paint with some repainted into the newer 'cn.ca' livery.
Something that may or may not be of interest is that a number of the CN Wide Cab 40-2 Geeps had a home here in North Carolina on the Aberdeen Carolina & Western (ACWR). In fact 2 of them were paired up in a slug set which I actually got a chance to explore. Probably about 2016 or so however the ACWR sold off its GP40-2W units to my dismay. And I've seen firsthand one of the CN Dash 8 covered wagons here in NC as well in NS's yard in Selma on the H Line on train 349 before it pulled out, bound for Linwood yard. That CN unit threw me for a loop to begin with because I hadn't seen one of those before and didn't know what it was at first. If you do a video on the GP40-2W units I'd be glad to share some photos of the ACWR slug set I have.
The AC&W just purchased 15 of the SD50Fs just recently and are useing them now.
@@josephhigh8363 Interesting. I'll have to make a trip back down that way again soon. Maybe get to walk through one of them as well.
Yea I used to goto star with my grandpa when I was younger and took lots of pictures of ther locomotives if we wasn't in Hamlet or Salisbury
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13:49 13:50 Those were SD40-2Ws with the fuel tender in between.
22k if I had to guess probably jumped on Amtrak to providence,Ri then ran P&W to their connection with the Pan Am
Thanks, you might be right.
Northeast Ohio Railfan right here, I spend my days stalking the rails with Railfan Owen
Cool, NE Ohio in the House!
"GRC" stand's for grenadier royal du Canada. It's just french for royal Canadian mounted police
Gendarmerie, not grenadier. Gendarmerie is French for police. Grenadier is a soldier armed with grenades.
+Trains21 when was the picture taken with Canadian pacific 9615 I’m interested to know why the Dash 8 8439 a unit I’ve been trying to catch is doing there! Was this recent or old? Also location?
2016
12:16 12:17 This was a variation of the Multimark paint scheme that didn’t have the black and white Pac Man emblem.
That was when cp was staring to phase out the multimark to reduce costs on painting their locomotives. Black paint is the most expensive paint
Hey AC, DRF-Diesel Road Freight 44-4400hp The following letters such as 9A are delivery group numbers from GE, or GMD that CP and CN use to identify which units were delivered in what batch, I believe.
And Canada's national passenger service is pronounced 'VEEA'. It's bilingual in that it's pronounced that way in Canada in both English and French.
Really wish CN still kept the SD60Fs
Not me, I thought they were ugly.
Still There The Old Power Poles 8:03
Hoosac tunnel is actually in Massachusetts, not Vermont, but great video
Thanks.
11:58 Fol with bady
5:57 5:58 The British Columbia units are essentially the same as the first CN order with the high bell mount above the windows.
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12:30 Red Borns from CP
Qnsl purchased their dash84cms new from GE in 94
As always AC, good stuff.
Thanks Kenny!
Are there any sd60f/ sd50f in preservation