Pam Sturm Lied - Here's the Proof The way Pam Strum found the RAV4 has always bothered me. Now I know why... Pam and her daughter, Nicole, began searching the salvage yard with permission. However they searched on foot. Why? Salvage yards are made so you can drive down the rows and look at all the cars quickly. You could look at every car in the compound in 5 to 10 minutes and then start a foot search if you felt the need. But if you know exactly where you are going you can just walk right up. But that's not the proof. This is the proof: In 2006, before Steve's trial, she gives an interview to Milwaukee Magazine Source: www.milwaukeemag.com/2006/05/01/blood-simple/ This is how she claims the events went down Pam found the RAV4 and they both tried to enter the car. Nicole (not Pam) found and read out the VIN number to her mother [before calling the police] Pam then asked her daughter for the cell phone so she could call the police. Now when you listen to the recorded call here is what actually happened: Source: MaM Season 1 Episode 2 00:37:15 Pam called dispatch and said she found a car and it's "weird", it's covered up. She is instructed to go to the front of the car to get the VIN. She says "I can't find the VIN Number. Is it okay if I go inside the car?" The officer (on the phone) instructs her how to find the VIN by going to the front of the car on the driver's side and she says "Okay, hold on" She says "The first... The last four digits... 3044" That directly contradicts the magazine interview. But here's the odd part. Pam Strum was a private investigator. She knows exactly where the VIN number of a car is located. But what's more telling is when she uses police protocol to give the VIN number. The average person always start from the beginning. But police don't start with the first numbers because they are simply make and model, style, designations. Instead they use the last four digits which comprise the last part of the serial number. Notice how Pam is about to give the beginning then just gives the last four? Her testimony seemed very staged and rehearsed because I could tell she was playing dumb with the whole not being able to find the VIN number act. Not possible for a private investigator. I also like how she wore a cross so you could not grill her on her "divine intervention" answer. EDIT: Daddy23Hubby21 spotted the discrepancies in the same article and posted about it a week ago. His post is well worth reading See redd.it/402ppi 317 Comments Share 93% Upvoted
I’m amazed at how they found the plates to her car that fast! Its like finding a needle in a haystack with all of those cars! Found the car fast! They should still be searching for the plates, but found them and bones on the 5th day lol. They didn’t find the key in his house, for 5 days that should have been found right away!
The idea that they found that car, at the most remote corner of that property from where they claim she was murdered, in 20 minutes is unfathomable... It really would require divine intervention, short of a frame-job.
What about the video Teresa made? SO ODD. If I die before Im 31. WHY make a tape like that when your only 25, and WHY THAT number? Why not 30, round it off. Why 31? Makes no sense!
They were so odd during the interviews and the whole process. Something is off with those two. Also most people are murdered by those closest to them but not once were they asked for an alibi or investigated.
@@MichaelBlocksomu are a imbecile! You believe Netflix produced movie over facts. You are accusing a family that lost there daughter and sister of murder with ZERO evidence. You are a slime ball, you are gross. Get a life. Also, steven avery is still rotting in jail and he will never get out. Justice has been served!! Netflix sheep 🐑 can go to hell
Kratz says often how there is no way to get onto the Avery Salvage Property from anywhere but through the front entrance. At 9:08 you can clearly see that there are multiple roads that just happen to lead to the back of the ASY from the Quarry. You can also see the spot where TH's vehicle was discovered. If I was to plant a vehicle on that property after dark, it would be quite easy to do. Come from the back entrance...drive it right on over to the spot where the RAV4 was discovered and done! Also, if someone was going to plant a vehicle with the thought process of "Where would SA hide a vehicle", the obvious spot would be the very back corner of the property...furthest away from SA's home. That vehicle was not put there by SA and definitely wasn't 'covered' up and 'hidden'. A few branches and a couple pieces of tin and wood I don't think constitute 'covering up' or 'hiding'.
Yup, That car was discovered ahead of time and Pam told where to go! There are a whole lot of other cars closer to the entrance where you could have started to include what's around the shops. I would have walked in the gates and started right there and worked my way thru in some sort of pattern,
Wasn't the photo of Miss Holbach standing beside her car different than the one they found. The one she is standing beside looks to be of one solid color , bumpers mirrors everything, the one they found looks to have different color bumpers and trim. Also the photo shows her holding a key chain full of keys not just one like they claimed they found in Avery's trailor?
Everything hints to Steve Avery being innocent. His body language, the location and how the RAV4 was found, the blood stains on the ignition clearly was left by Q-tips, the way the Manitowoc conducted themselves, the fact they told the coroner to stay away from the Avery property, etc, etc, etc.
We're was the car found outer side or inside compound? Looks suspect the way stuff was placed on bonnet looked like police done it or somebody trying to fit man up .
So is Avery Road, the place where Sowinski saw Bobby Dassey pushing the Rav4. I'm not funny, but that's a hell of a long road to push a vehicle. In MAM 3, I want to see Zellner, Capaldi, and Silkman push a Rav 4 along that road. Who would go top less first.
This certainly gives a whole new meaning to "Out in the middle of Nowhere" I'm certainly not against anyone living in a rural area and not in a neighborhood but this is a little different. I think the only thing that would could possibly make this any creepier is that if the Avery's 40 acres were surrounded by trees. The whole 40 acre salvage yard is just surrounded by farmland and a rock quarry. I'd be curious to know the back story on the purchase of the 40 acres. Why Chuck Avery chose that land and how did it become available.
How did all the cars end up on that ridge? in this video there is nothing up there but in the photo of the found rav4 therte are a bunch of vehicles all around it?
At 0:00... the view of SA’s trailer, TH’s vehicle, the maroon van that was for sale as well as TH taking pics of it from the exact spot where the school bus dropped off the boys. Idk about you but I don’t see any of it from this distance
ok if i wanted to plant the rav4 where it was found i wouldnt like to drive down the Averys road and past Chucks house, too obvious gonna be seen, but it looks like there was a way in from the neighbours road at 7.37, its blocked by a bank of clay now but looks like there was a track right through at some stage, not blaming the neighbours just anyone that knew the geography could have drove it in there
welderman dan the car was spotted the day before Pam Sturm got guided to it by GOD....A neighbour on the back road saw it along with a white SUV....Manitowoc police received three reports before the car was actually officially "found"it was spotted three times at the turnaround near Scott tadychs traiklr...Colborn called it in on the third...and on the fourth of November it was seen being driven on a back road to the Avery yard...by a neighbour...guess who owned a white SUV....at that time....Sgt Colborn.now do abit of detective work and ask yourself how does limestone from a quarry leave a mark half way up the type walls of the RAV4... you see most of the Avery yard is grass or loose clippings...not quagmires slurry of a quarry...this car never drove through Averys yard...The wood was placed on it to "help" Pam Sturm find it thanks to Colborn..Weigert and Hillegas..she found it alright...why on earth would you attempt to cover up a car...but leavecthe spare tyre cover in full view the the big letters that say RAV4... duh!!!
This is VERY much appreciated! Great job! Too bad the location of Ms. Halbach's car can't somehow be "drawn in". Don't do it, though! Don't do that! You'll get reams of people criticizing you and telling you that you're wrong. Just leave this video exactly as it is. Great job. Do you have a strong opinion one way or the other on whether Avery killed her? Just wondering.
He looks totally framed. They needed Brenden to say what they wanted to in order to plant their evidence. With what we all know about this case makes us believe we have reasonable doubt you would think that there should be another trial. A Woman was murdered and the killer may in fact have gotten away with it. The police force for that area appears to be seriously crooked.
who was that who pulled up outside dassey house at 4:40 I'd love to know and later you see it was reversed in front of the shed when it was out of shot........I miss nothing 😉
Someone help me out here. In the Sentencing of Steven Avery . The Judge told him . "Your crimes are getting worst the older you are" I wonder about that, when he was proven innocent on the first crime, now the Prosecutor was out breaking the Law, raping women than beating them up? This whole thing does not add up. If I was on the Jury, I would have to exclude all the false Evidence, and look at the police, and her Ex boyfriend. Her Brother is just stupid, and blind.
@florence gump The first crime? Which first crime? The time he burned the family cat and went to jail? Or the time he was convicted of burglary? Or was it the time he ran a woman off the road and demanded she get out of her vehicle at gunpoint and was convicted of that? Or what about the domestic abuse charges? I assume you’re talking about the wrongful conviction but sadly that wasn’t his first or last crime since it wasn’t his crime at all. But the fact stands he had legal issues prior that he was convicted of. So the statement from the judge makes perfect sense. I’ll help you out with some advice, do some research before you spout off comments about something you obviously know nothing about.
Tommy Bones I admire that you keep an open mind. If we had more jurors like you, we would not be putting away innocent people. lets see what KZ produces
Thomas Bones Put yourself for a moment in Stevens shoes...you are a week away from going to court to win a huge amount of money for a crime you never committed , even though pretty much everyone in Wisconsin believed you were guilty....18 years they thought that, and some still think he did that rape , even with DNA, even the fact that Steven is only 5 foot 2inches and penny described the attacker as being much taller...so if people cannot be convinced of your innocence, then you are stuffed.Now let's look at Teresa Halbach, firstly her cell phone pings stopped 12 miles away from Stevens Trailer, somewhere near the Zipperers....Scott Taldych is on record saying that she left the yard on a recorded conversation.Andy Colborn "retires" from the police force almost a month after Jason Zipperer committed suicide...The stories of some of the witnesses against Steven have been repeatedly changed, some you have to wonder which story if any were true, and if indeed you killed Teresa like everyone is saying, why on earth would you burn the body right next to your house, then move some of the bones into a burn barrel but leave most outside your garage.Even when the cock and bull story of blood every where in the trailer, no forensics could should Once ounce of evidence,, so the police concentrate on the garage, multiple searches of the trailer fail to find a key, then one turns up after Lenk is on Scene, and again multiple searches on the garage, then one bullet turns up after Lenk is on Scene, finally only one person saw the RAV4 between the time it went missing 31stOctober and when it was reported missing 3rdNovember ..TWO whole days before it was actually found, by lens accomplice, Andy Colborn.Did you know that a police gets to keep his retirement pension, no matter what he's done wrong, yet if found guikty of a misdemeanour before you retire , you lose the lot.No one has bothered to look at the number of oddities surrounding this case, and people like you just haven't got enough mind power to see through the smoke that's been buffed out by Manitowoc County Sheriffs Department,, those very people who were told to stay out of the investigation, actually "found" everybit of incriminating evidence, that Calumet couldn't. You still think Stevens guilty after that , you need a brain transplant.
Daniel Perry you don't, that's why there are three locations with human remains , cremains, ....here the thing...why would you burn a body until its chelates,..I.e. That takes 6-8 hours, then move some into a burn barrel , then move some to the quarry?...It's doesn't make sense.What does make sense It that someone burned the body at the quarry, then used the golf cart along with Barb Jandas burn barrel(why didn't Steven use his own burn barrel.?) to transport it to the burn pit, then got Steven to have a bonfire afterwards to make it look like he was the one burning evidence....lastly whoever used the burn barrel to transport the bones did a little house cleaning by trying to burn Teresa's camera and phone and clothes by using the burn barrel that belonged to Barb Janda, why not just burn everything in the same place, no need to have three separate locations. One last thought...in order to "chelate" bones like those found at the burn pit you have to burn them a very high temperatures for 6-8 hours...which means that if Steven started his fire at 7.30 p.m. Then he would need to keep it burning until 1 to 3 a.m...it didn't happen he went to bed at 11.p.m.
Greasebox sounds like a decent person doesn't he? You know, one of the reasons people from Wisconsin give for proving to themselves Avery was capable of murder is the fact that he threw a cat into a fire. But the son of fabled Wisconsin football coach Barry Alverez once microwaved a kitten in a UW frathouse. No repercussions there. Anyone who's ever lived in that part of Wisconsin, from Two Rivers to Sheboygan, and have left for greener pastures , not to mention less dreary weather, never return. For men like Griesbach, Wiegert, Kratz, Pagel, the lady Sturm, it's important to remember that their ancestors came from places in Germany and central Europe where if you've been arrested, guilt is assumed, any kind of slander is valid. In many ways these people are foreign to concepts of English justice and were never properly Americanized. Somewhere in film archives there's old newsreel footage of Manitowoc residents being sworn in as a group for US cizenship, even though they are all at least 21 and BORN in America. Strange, eh? It's a very medieval place, famous for toiletmaking, incest, bad beer, and that eerie, idiosyncratic pride the people with little to be proud of have. Take the middle-aged, obviously unhappy former PI Pam Sturm, who "discovered" the vehicle and tried to yank open the door---which would contaminate the crime scene. In her mind Avery is at that point already guilty. Her explanation for having found the vehicle after only ten minutes of searching a 40 acre lot full of 40,000 vehicles was that "God led me to it," is typical. Who can argue with God? There are reasons why the only people who want to live in the area were born there, and why those who leave and adapt themselves to the real world never return. If Mz Hallbach had not expanded her photography career into the realm of porn shoots with married men and their wives, Mr. and Mrs. Czech, and avoided the Bloedorns and Hildagasses of the world, she'd probably still be alive today. But this sort of sweet churchgoing milkmaid (read "Heidi") image so important for the lie Wisconsin continually has to keep retelling itself has got to end some time. God told me so, enso?
Ligaya Barlow Wow ! that is intense. I had to read it 3 times just to get everything you said. I have often said people need to understand that area and to understand the background of some of these people. We had never heard about TH and her background until KZ sent a detective in. Good job articulating a lot of things
Man gotta admit what a beautiful beautiful place to live..how can shit like murder even get to someone head in calm place like that..I live in India where there's people and noise pollution everywhere you can look and this place is like a dream
Dewey B - Thank you for your feedback. Some people in a previous video (and on some Reddit chats) requested that I focus on some of the quarries featured in this video.
Tire tracks!!! There would be some if the RAV4 was driving anywhere on these properties, quarry or Avery. Its dirt roads! Just doesn't make any sense!!!
It was pretty stupid NOT to have that property fenced in. ANYONE could do, place or hide anything on that property, its to easy! AND its still NOT fenced. They should have cameras now to. How many people have been in that yard since this happened, just to sneak and snoop around. To many ways to get in there. Add barb wire to the top of fencing to make it even harder. But this family has a lot of problems, lots of aggression, way before this happened. Including Steven. A lot of battery, assault, sexual crimes or accusations from the men in this family. His sister to! You would think this family after Steven was arrested, especially after going to jail for this, would be on their best behavior. Nope... they are still causing trouble. And I don't think they have ANY CLUE that they are making this worse and how it looks on Steve, and Brendan. My god, Brendans Mom needs to stop her shit! She was arrested not long ago for pot for gods sake! Doesn't matter when.
Steven’s trailer is right next to where Barb lived at that time. It’s not like it’s out there with nothing around, they are on their own road away from the business. No conspiracy there sheesh
James Butera It wasn’t Steven’s House. It belonged to a guy named Rollie Johnson. The proximity of the trailer had nothing to do with how the family felt about Steven.
How exactly did the school bus driver see anyone taking pics if the drop off was where this video claims? Which is closer to the parents house not SA trailer!???????
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how Pam found the rav4 in 20 minutes in a yard that big is beyond belief
Cassim Gibbs she said the holly spirit guided her lol
YEP, 30 mins, but still!!! to much that is suspicious. And to much missing.
Pam Sturm Lied - Here's the Proof
The way Pam Strum found the RAV4 has always bothered me. Now I know why...
Pam and her daughter, Nicole, began searching the salvage yard with permission.
However they searched on foot. Why? Salvage yards are made so you can drive down the rows and look at all the cars quickly.
You could look at every car in the compound in 5 to 10 minutes and then start a foot search if you felt the need.
But if you know exactly where you are going you can just walk right up.
But that's not the proof. This is the proof:
In 2006, before Steve's trial, she gives an interview to Milwaukee Magazine Source: www.milwaukeemag.com/2006/05/01/blood-simple/
This is how she claims the events went down
Pam found the RAV4 and they both tried to enter the car.
Nicole (not Pam) found and read out the VIN number to her mother [before calling the police]
Pam then asked her daughter for the cell phone so she could call the police.
Now when you listen to the recorded call here is what actually happened:
Source: MaM Season 1 Episode 2 00:37:15
Pam called dispatch and said she found a car and it's "weird", it's covered up.
She is instructed to go to the front of the car to get the VIN.
She says "I can't find the VIN Number. Is it okay if I go inside the car?"
The officer (on the phone) instructs her how to find the VIN by going to the front of the car on the driver's side and she says "Okay, hold on"
She says "The first... The last four digits... 3044"
That directly contradicts the magazine interview.
But here's the odd part. Pam Strum was a private investigator. She knows exactly where the VIN number of a car is located.
But what's more telling is when she uses police protocol to give the VIN number. The average person always start from the beginning.
But police don't start with the first numbers because they are simply make and model, style, designations. Instead they use the last four digits which comprise the last part of the serial number.
Notice how Pam is about to give the beginning then just gives the last four?
Her testimony seemed very staged and rehearsed because I could tell she was playing dumb with the whole not being able to find the VIN number act. Not possible for a private investigator.
I also like how she wore a cross so you could not grill her on her "divine intervention" answer.
EDIT: Daddy23Hubby21 spotted the discrepancies in the same article and posted about it a week ago. His post is well worth reading See redd.it/402ppi
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The strums had it out first the averys.. Look up strum rd, it's right by the Avery salvage yard
As a private investigator, wouldn’t it be logical for her to be familiar with police protocol and say only the last 4 digits?
Excellent quality. If only MTSO's video had been this clear!
Theory is flyover was to figure out best route and placement to plant RAV4 and not be seen.
I’m amazed at how they found the plates to her car that fast! Its like finding a needle in a haystack with all of those cars! Found the car fast! They should still be searching for the plates, but found them and bones on the 5th day lol. They didn’t find the key in his house, for 5 days that should have been found right away!
This is very cool thank you for doing this and sharing it with all of us! I support ya! 👍
You're one hot brunette!
E. Male lol well thank you!
It is too bad this quality of footage was not available back in 2005
The idea that they found that car, at the most remote corner of that property from where they claim she was murdered, in 20 minutes is unfathomable... It really would require divine intervention, short of a frame-job.
What about the video Teresa made? SO ODD. If I die before Im 31. WHY make a tape like that when your only 25, and WHY THAT number? Why not 30, round it off. Why 31? Makes no sense!
They were so odd during the interviews and the whole process. Something is off with those two.
Also most people are murdered by those closest to them but not once were they asked for an alibi or investigated.
@@MichaelBlocksomu are a imbecile! You believe Netflix produced movie over facts. You are accusing a family that lost there daughter and sister of murder with ZERO evidence. You are a slime ball, you are gross. Get a life. Also, steven avery is still rotting in jail and he will never get out. Justice has been served!! Netflix sheep 🐑 can go to hell
Kratz says often how there is no way to get onto the Avery Salvage Property from anywhere but through the front entrance. At 9:08 you can clearly see that there are multiple roads that just happen to lead to the back of the ASY from the Quarry. You can also see the spot where TH's vehicle was discovered. If I was to plant a vehicle on that property after dark, it would be quite easy to do. Come from the back entrance...drive it right on over to the spot where the RAV4 was discovered and done! Also, if someone was going to plant a vehicle with the thought process of "Where would SA hide a vehicle", the obvious spot would be the very back corner of the property...furthest away from SA's home. That vehicle was not put there by SA and definitely wasn't 'covered' up and 'hidden'. A few branches and a couple pieces of tin and wood I don't think constitute 'covering up' or 'hiding'.
Yup, That car was discovered ahead of time and Pam told where to go! There are a whole lot of other cars closer to the entrance where you could have started to include what's around the shops. I would have walked in the gates and started right there and worked my way thru in some sort of pattern,
Wasn't the photo of Miss Holbach standing beside her car different than the one they found. The one she is standing beside looks to be of one solid color , bumpers mirrors everything, the one they found looks to have different color bumpers and trim. Also the photo shows her holding a key chain full of keys not just one like they claimed they found in Avery's trailor?
Everything hints to Steve Avery being innocent. His body language, the location and how the RAV4 was found, the blood stains on the ignition clearly was left by Q-tips, the way the Manitowoc conducted themselves, the fact they told the coroner to stay away from the Avery property, etc, etc, etc.
We're was the car found outer side or inside compound? Looks suspect the way stuff was placed on bonnet looked like police done it or somebody trying to fit man up .
@0:38 you have
So is Avery Road,
the place where Sowinski saw Bobby Dassey pushing the Rav4. I'm not funny, but that's a hell of a long road to push a vehicle.
In MAM 3, I want to see Zellner, Capaldi, and Silkman push a Rav 4 along that road. Who would go top less first.
This certainly gives a whole new meaning to "Out in the middle of Nowhere" I'm certainly not against anyone living in a rural area and not in a neighborhood but this is a little different. I think the only thing that would could possibly make this any creepier is that if the Avery's 40 acres were surrounded by trees. The whole 40 acre salvage yard is just surrounded by farmland and a rock quarry. I'd be curious to know the back story on the purchase of the 40 acres. Why Chuck Avery chose that land and how did it become available.
Cool!
How did all the cars end up on that ridge? in this video there is nothing up there but in the photo of the found rav4 therte are a bunch of vehicles all around it?
a lot of things happen in 11 years bud
the place you showed for the quary pit is not correct, it wasn't to the west of the Avery property it was south of it, further away from it.
At 0:00... the view of SA’s trailer, TH’s vehicle, the maroon van that was for sale as well as TH taking pics of it from the exact spot where the school bus dropped off the boys.
Idk about you but I don’t see any of it from this distance
So much land but a 40m2 trailer? Dude... my home is covering 80% of my land.
ok if i wanted to plant the rav4 where it was found i wouldnt like to drive down the Averys road and past Chucks house, too obvious gonna be seen, but it looks like there was a way in from the neighbours road at 7.37, its blocked by a bank of clay now but looks like there was a track right through at some stage, not blaming the neighbours just anyone that knew the geography could have drove it in there
welderman dan the car was spotted the day before Pam Sturm got guided to it by GOD....A neighbour on the back road saw it along with a white SUV....Manitowoc police received three reports before the car was actually officially "found"it was spotted three times at the turnaround near Scott tadychs traiklr...Colborn called it in on the third...and on the fourth of November it was seen being driven on a back road to the Avery yard...by a neighbour...guess who owned a white SUV....at that time....Sgt Colborn.now do abit of detective work and ask yourself how does limestone from a quarry leave a mark half way up the type walls of the RAV4... you see most of the Avery yard is grass or loose clippings...not quagmires slurry of a quarry...this car never drove through Averys yard...The wood was placed on it to "help" Pam Sturm find it thanks to Colborn..Weigert and Hillegas..she found it alright...why on earth would you attempt to cover up a car...but leavecthe spare tyre cover in full view the the big letters that say RAV4... duh!!!
This is VERY much appreciated! Great job! Too bad the location of Ms. Halbach's car can't somehow be "drawn in". Don't do it, though! Don't do that! You'll get reams of people criticizing you and telling you that you're wrong. Just leave this video exactly as it is. Great job. Do you have a strong opinion one way or the other on whether Avery killed her? Just wondering.
It is not at all beyond belief if she was told exactly where to go....
Would be way better zoomed in
it looks like a fan place for kids to grow up, a lot of places to play
I agree, and looks like a fun place for an adult to live and work too
What time of day?!
I filmed this at about 9:30 AM that day.
He looks totally framed. They needed Brenden to say what they wanted to in order to plant their evidence. With what we all know about this case makes us believe we have reasonable doubt you would think that there should be another trial. A Woman was murdered and the killer may in fact have gotten away with it. The police force for that area appears to be seriously crooked.
they have all that land and live in trailers
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who was that who pulled up outside dassey house at 4:40 I'd love to know and later you see it was reversed in front of the shed when it was out of shot........I miss nothing 😉
Who the FUCK would ever want to live in that state.
hahaha Scott
James Butera Minnesota and Wisconsin have the dumbest people ever!
RUclips has the dumbest people ever.
Me
How to install Mustang decals, James? LMFAO
Does anyone know when this video was taken?
jersey4life31 I filmed it on 10/31/16.
@@phantomdrone1976 Thanks. Awesome video. I knew it had to be recent because of all the grass, but it looks like Barbs van is still in front....lol
Someone help me out here. In the Sentencing of Steven Avery . The Judge told him . "Your crimes are getting worst the older you are"
I wonder about that, when he was proven innocent on the first crime, now the Prosecutor was out breaking the Law, raping women than beating them up? This whole thing does not add up. If I was on the Jury, I would have to exclude all the false Evidence, and look at the police, and her Ex boyfriend. Her Brother is just stupid, and blind.
@florence gump
The first crime? Which first crime? The time he burned the family cat and went to jail? Or the time he was convicted of burglary? Or was it the time he ran a woman off the road and demanded she get out of her vehicle at gunpoint and was convicted of that? Or what about the domestic abuse charges? I assume you’re talking about the wrongful conviction but sadly that wasn’t his first or last crime since it wasn’t his crime at all. But the fact stands he had legal issues prior that he was convicted of. So the statement from the judge makes perfect sense. I’ll help you out with some advice, do some research before you spout off comments about something you obviously know nothing about.
I'm still not totally convinced he's innocent or guilty, still on the fence with this one. Sure is an interesting case.
have you seen the entire season 1? Did you pay attention or just have it kind of on in the background
I watched it like 3 times
Tommy Bones I admire that you keep an open mind. If we had more jurors like you, we would not be putting away innocent people. lets see what KZ produces
Thomas Bones Put yourself for a moment in Stevens shoes...you are a week away from going to court to win a huge amount of money for a crime you never committed , even though pretty much everyone in Wisconsin believed you were guilty....18 years they thought that, and some still think he did that rape , even with DNA, even the fact that Steven is only 5 foot 2inches and penny described the attacker as being much taller...so if people cannot be convinced of your innocence, then you are stuffed.Now let's look at Teresa Halbach, firstly her cell phone pings stopped 12 miles away from Stevens Trailer, somewhere near the Zipperers....Scott Taldych is on record saying that she left the yard on a recorded conversation.Andy Colborn "retires" from the police force almost a month after Jason Zipperer committed suicide...The stories of some of the witnesses against Steven have been repeatedly changed, some you have to wonder which story if any were true, and if indeed you killed Teresa like everyone is saying, why on earth would you burn the body right next to your house, then move some of the bones into a burn barrel but leave most outside your garage.Even when the cock and bull story of blood every where in the trailer, no forensics could should Once ounce of evidence,, so the police concentrate on the garage, multiple searches of the trailer fail to find a key, then one turns up after Lenk is on Scene, and again multiple searches on the garage, then one bullet turns up after Lenk is on Scene, finally only one person saw the RAV4 between the time it went missing 31stOctober and when it was reported missing 3rdNovember ..TWO whole days before it was actually found, by lens accomplice, Andy Colborn.Did you know that a police gets to keep his retirement pension, no matter what he's done wrong, yet if found guikty of a misdemeanour before you retire , you lose the lot.No one has bothered to look at the number of oddities surrounding this case, and people like you just haven't got enough mind power to see through the smoke that's been buffed out by Manitowoc County Sheriffs Department,, those very people who were told to stay out of the investigation, actually "found" everybit of incriminating evidence, that Calumet couldn't.
You still think Stevens guilty after that , you need a brain transplant.
Daniel Perry you don't, that's why there are three locations with human remains , cremains, ....here the thing...why would you burn a body until its chelates,..I.e. That takes 6-8 hours, then move some into a burn barrel , then move some to the quarry?...It's doesn't make sense.What does make sense It that someone burned the body at the quarry, then used the golf cart along with Barb Jandas burn barrel(why didn't Steven use his own burn barrel.?) to transport it to the burn pit, then got Steven to have a bonfire afterwards to make it look like he was the one burning evidence....lastly whoever used the burn barrel to transport the bones did a little house cleaning by trying to burn Teresa's camera and phone and clothes by using the burn barrel that belonged to Barb Janda, why not just burn everything in the same place, no need to have three separate locations.
One last thought...in order to "chelate" bones like those found at the burn pit you have to burn them a very high temperatures for 6-8 hours...which means that if Steven started his fire at 7.30 p.m. Then he would need to keep it burning until 1 to 3 a.m...it didn't happen he went to bed at 11.p.m.
Greasebox sounds like a decent person doesn't he? You know, one of the reasons people from Wisconsin give for proving to themselves Avery was capable of murder is the fact that he threw a cat into a fire. But the son of fabled Wisconsin football coach Barry Alverez once microwaved a kitten in a UW frathouse. No repercussions there. Anyone who's ever lived in that part of Wisconsin, from Two Rivers to Sheboygan, and have left for greener pastures , not to mention less dreary weather, never return. For men like Griesbach, Wiegert, Kratz, Pagel, the lady Sturm, it's important to remember that their ancestors came from places in Germany and central Europe where if you've been arrested, guilt is assumed, any kind of slander is valid. In many ways these people are foreign to concepts of English justice and were never properly Americanized. Somewhere in film archives there's old newsreel footage of Manitowoc residents being sworn in as a group for US cizenship, even though they are all at least 21 and BORN in America. Strange, eh? It's a very medieval place, famous for toiletmaking, incest, bad beer, and that eerie, idiosyncratic pride the people with little to be proud of have. Take the middle-aged, obviously unhappy former PI Pam Sturm, who "discovered" the vehicle and tried to yank open the door---which would contaminate the crime scene. In her mind Avery is at that point already guilty. Her explanation for having found the vehicle after only ten minutes of searching a 40 acre lot full of 40,000 vehicles was that "God led me to it," is typical. Who can argue with God? There are reasons why the only people who want to live in the area were born there, and why those who leave and adapt themselves to the real world never return. If Mz Hallbach had not expanded her photography career into the realm of porn shoots with married men and their wives, Mr. and Mrs. Czech, and avoided the Bloedorns and Hildagasses of the world, she'd probably still be alive today. But this sort of sweet churchgoing milkmaid (read "Heidi") image so important for the lie Wisconsin continually has to keep retelling itself has got to end some time. God told me so, enso?
Ligaya Barlow Wow ! that is intense. I had to read it 3 times just to get everything you said. I have often said people need to understand that area and to understand the background of some of these people. We had never heard about TH and her background until KZ sent a detective in. Good job articulating a lot of things
It's nice to see someone put things into perspective. Seemed I was the only one that was aware of some of these things. Well done!
@ Ligaya Barlo ... If they were all at least 21 and born in America why would they have to be sworn in for U.S. citizenship?
Why would they have a reason to fly over his property on October 31st if she wasn't reported missing for 3 days?
This footage was shot years after the murder.
Denise Wyatt you can’t be serious
Denise Wyatt Shot in 2016. Camera drones weren’t even widely available in 2005.
Man gotta admit what a beautiful beautiful place to live..how can shit like murder even get to someone head in calm place like that..I live in India where there's people and noise pollution everywhere you can look and this place is like a dream
The car is not there on the property that day ,so they must have planted it on the property later this should be showing to KZ .
LoL
Does it hurt when you try to think? Or is there just no "trying" at all.
You spent a lot of time over the wrong quarry.
Dewey B - Thank you for your feedback. Some people in a previous video (and on some Reddit chats) requested that I focus on some of the quarries featured in this video.
I fucking love his property, I bet you they want it that's why his going through hell.
Those dirty pig cops set that man up. Nothing makes sense and second season confirms it.
Tire tracks!!! There would be some if the RAV4 was driving anywhere on these properties, quarry or Avery. Its dirt roads! Just doesn't make any sense!!!
Except that this was shot ten years later. Smdh. You really think everyday people had drones in 2006???
Stalkerish. Creepy.
It was pretty stupid NOT to have that property fenced in. ANYONE could do, place or hide anything on that property, its to easy! AND its still NOT fenced. They should have cameras now to. How many people have been in that yard since this happened, just to sneak and snoop around. To many ways to get in there. Add barb wire to the top of fencing to make it even harder. But this family has a lot of problems, lots of aggression, way before this happened. Including Steven. A lot of battery, assault, sexual crimes or accusations from the men in this family. His sister to! You would think this family after Steven was arrested, especially after going to jail for this, would be on their best behavior. Nope... they are still causing trouble. And I don't think they have ANY CLUE that they are making this worse and how it looks on Steve, and Brendan. My god, Brendans Mom needs to stop her shit! She was arrested not long ago for pot for gods sake! Doesn't matter when.
Lol "pot".. Such a horrible "crime" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wouldnt break into any junkyard and expect to escape with my life
Dude it's like HUGE AF.
Fast forward to 2021 and new evidence. The m*rons on here can eat it.
Just the location of Steven Avery's house in conjunction with the others, looks like they wanted nothing to do with him... he's trouble.
Steven’s trailer is right next to where Barb lived at that time. It’s not like it’s out there with nothing around, they are on their own road away from the business. No conspiracy there sheesh
In this drone video I could see where you’d think that but in reality they’re not far apart at all
James Butera It wasn’t Steven’s House. It belonged to a guy named Rollie Johnson. The proximity of the trailer had nothing to do with how the family felt about Steven.
Demons
How exactly did the school bus driver see anyone taking pics if the drop off was where this video claims? Which is closer to the parents house not SA trailer!???????