Yep he's a genius that Steve, planting evidence on his property to incriminate himself and what a wizard in cleaning a crime scene. He should have a job with FBI
I saw one of New Scott's 3 year old videos the other day with comments from you on it. This case is still right where it was back then as well. Only thing different is the switch out of most of the commenters. It's about 95% new people from that point to now, leading me to believe they gave up and now it's the latest wave.
@@RavensFanJ Oh, so they are not the same people, but with "other accounts"?! You were saying that, some days ago ...now this, that are "new people" ....................make up your mind, bro, I can't keep up! 🤪 :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
To hear Dean Strang say " I believe the key was planted by police" is huge. Lawyers just don't make those sort of matter of fact statements without a shed load of evidence . He didn't say the police (Lenk) 'probably' planted it , he 'Believes' it was planted....HUGE ! Of course when the key is looked at closely with no DNA from Teresa and only dust cells of Avery on it (from the carpet) no finger prints, either of Steven or Teresa someone (Lenk) obviously cleaned it before he planted to avoid his own DNA being on it...OF COURSE IT WAS PLANTED. That evidence should have been thrown out of court because Lenk was the person who 'found' it when he shouldn't have even been there. The guy had a huge motive to plant it . The judge should have thrown it out but the judge was as bent as a bottle of crisps just like the rest of them. Kratz, the sherriff , the judiciary all wanted Steven gone. They weren't interested in finding 'The Truth' as the slime Kratz once lied they want Steven gone and ALL their problems go away with him. The $36 M lawsuit , probable prosections for officers involved with the original frame up...GONE.
@@cwwiss1 What got my claws was this blood vile. I'm a phelombotist by profession and know that the small injection site on the stopper of the vile is normal. To withdraw blood by this method means the rubber stopper is punched by a refracting needle so the blood can flow thr.to the vile. It's commonly called a vacationer method. When the lab receives the vile there is always an injection hole in the stopper. It's designed that when the rubber is pricked it closes. Worked in pathology for 11 yrs. The fact that his defence team was totally unaware of the pathology collection and how it works was a hiccup. From my professional experience a vile of blood kept in a clerk's office goes against every protocol and policy. Blood anything of that nature is kept in A laboratory, not sure of the truth in that scenario.
Can someone help me make sense of this? If they only found bone fragments, how could they tell she had been shackled, raped, shot in the head and her throat cut?
@scottywright8146 Keep in mind Avery wasn't found guilty on any of those ideas. They were used at Brendan's trial only. They used the evidence against Avery to convict Avery. Brendan's confession was never used in his trial.
@@RavensFanJThey were covertly used in Steven's trial by Kratz press conferences. Don't try to tell us you believe the jury never saw those, or were able to set them aside. Kratz did that on purpose, it's crystal clear.
The key had to be planted. Seven searches took place, this tiny little bedroom and the key appeared when 3 cops are in the room. I do not buy the argument that they were looking for other things when told. Sounds dumb. It would sound like this “ I found a key” “ we are not here for that, we are looking for porn magazines “ . Colborn says he shook the cabinet and the key fell on the floor but nothing managed to move on or in the cabinet! Why wouldn’t Colborn do the same thing in front of KZ when asked??? Because he lied. Oh honest Andrew.
There weren't seven searches, there were 6 *entries* into the property before the key was found. That's how investigations work. I can show you the investigation documents if you'd like. Most of them were targeted entries for specific things or to do specific jobs. And even Zellner doesn't believe the police planted anything now, and she's since distanced herself from those theories lol
@@RavensFanJ Well, already from the 2nd entry, they were there in the bedroom/bathroom for 3 hours "looking for any evidence that would substantiate or eliminate her having been there." (trial transcript day 7, page 89)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You don't call that a search?! What was it, then? :)))))))))))))))
@@MariaMar-ev9xd "After the warrant was issued on November 5 at 3:30 p.m., law enforcement conducted a ten-minute sweep search of Avery's trailer and an eight-minute search of his garage, looking for any obvious evidence relating to Halbach's whereabouts. Then, at 7:30 p.m. that same day, law enforcement entered Avery's trailer for a second time. This time the officers stayed just over two and one-half hours and seized approximately fifty pieces of evidence, including some trace evidence. The third and fourth entries occurred on Sunday, November 6, for the purpose of collecting weapons, a vacuum cleaner, and bedding from the spare bedroom and for an initial search by the state crime lab for trace evidence of blood. A fifth entry occurred on November 7, 2005, for the limited purpose of retrieving the serial number of Avery's computer. It is the sixth entry into Avery's trailer on Tuesday, November 8, 2005, and the discovery of the Toyota RAV4 key during that search that provides the basis for Avery's challenge. The November 8 search of Avery's bedroom lasted approximately one hour. During the search, one of the officers tipped and twisted a bookcase, pulling it away from the wall. Another officer then noticed the Toyota RAV4 key on the floor of the bedroom." There you go Maria. Your favorite copy/paste :] Investigations are done in stages. It's not just one guy goes in and searches the whole place and marks everything. There's different people, and different teams, all with different jobs and goals related to the search.
@@RavensFanJ WTk you copy-paste again all that wiki stuff to me, at this hour?!?!?!?!? Bleah! We already talk about this, comment after comment, with "trial transcripts (btw!) - that second entry you wnat to be small, it is just NOT!!!!!!!!!!! ;) It was a BIG entry :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))9 But you can do your thing, you talk to yourself a lot! It's no biggie ...
"I will be the first to admit, I wasn't any too gentle, as we were, you know, getting exasperated. I handled it (the bookcase) rather roughly, twisting it, shaking it, pulling it." - trial transcript day 7, page 126 ...this is their "story", BUT the photos tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Almost ALL the coins are in the same place, like the bookcase itself ...some magic "twisting, shaking, pulling" going on there :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Right!?!? Now let's just pretend that Steven actually did kill Theresa. Would he hide that key in his house? OF COURSE NOT! He lived on his family's 40acre salvage yard, I'm sure he had dozens of hiding spots around that would be WAY more logical than on his bookshelf. Even if Steven did do it, that damn key was planted.......
@@johneckert1365That's entirely speculation. Criminals do stupid things all the time lol I can show you countless examples. Even geniuses can make mistakes when committing crimes, and I'm sure we can all agree Avery is not that.
@@johneckert1365 I can even go there, I can't pretend anything! There's nothing to indicate me that Steven has anything to do with her murder! BUT there's enough, for me, to indicate he was framed, exactly what he always said!!!!!!!!!!! PLUS, Their "story" of what happened is ridiculous!!!!! Just like Raven here that is trying to ...to say something at least with 5% sense in it :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
@MariaMar-ev9xd "There's nothing to indicate Steven had anything to do with the murder"? What planet do you live on lol His and her blood in the RAV, the RAV on the ASY with his DNA on it, the bones in his fire pit and electronics in his burn barrel, the key in his room with his DNA on it, the countless testimonies against him from Bobby to Robert Fabian? What's that?! 😂
Here's my thoughts on the key: Only SA's DNA was on the key. But let's say for the sake of argument TH's DNA was on the key. Then there's the micron count of DNA. According to what was explained to me locally, sweat DNA is not near as high as saliva. So, despite the argument that sweat DNA is impossible to plant. You don't have to plant sweat DNA. You can do so with a tooth brush which is saliva. It was only one key. How many people who have car keys, only have one key on their key chain, unless it's a spare? The fob looked way too clean. No dirt, no wear and tear, no signs of blood or residue of cleaning agents to remove blood off the fob. And wasn't SA finger supposedly bleeding when he was in the rav 4? Andrew Colborn He shouldn't have been there period. I was under the understanding (pls correct if I'm wrong), AC was brought in as a key witness to testify against his superiors over the lawsuit. He was not being sued He was a correctional officer which is a profession known for its corruption. And there's accounts of correctional officers that were worse than inmates. Would you want that type of individual working on your police force? And he is on SA's property which is a conflict of interest. Nobody who was part of the MTSO should have been there. Much less unsupervised. AC clearly wasn't supervised and should have not touched anything. But he conveniently finds the key. If I was DA would have been furious with the department. Apart from the planted argument, was AC threatened by his superiors? And if he was, what did they have on AC, he didn't want getting out? I agree with DS that SA could not have scoured the room. Apart from him not being the cleanest of individual s. I found no evidence he was never trained or certified, he never had the appropriate equipment, PPE, or cleaning agents. And to the best of my knowledge have appropriate knowledge to scour a homicide in his room. I hate to say this but AC might have to be put on the stand and granted amnesty.
Teresa's sister testified that *she* gave her that lanyard that Teresa was using. It's not some giant conspiracy that her key was on it and it's speculation to suggest *everyone* in the world would put all their keys together lol Furthermore, most of your comment is speculation. You cast doubt on Colborn for a reason as simple as his job description. That's not only rude, but if you were to do the same to other groups of people, it could even be considered stereotyping.
@@RavensFanJ The lanyard might have been removed from different key/keys, or found in the Rav4, or taken from TH's home and added to the 'found' key by someone involved in TH's disappearance or involved in the investigation (or both). What is more strange is the 'found' key is the non-remote key supplied as a spare key with the Rav4. It is highly unusual for a young person to be using the non-remote spare key to a 5 year-old Rav4. The nature of TH's vulnerable work and the fact she had ordered other replacement parts for her Rav4 suggests she would be using the remote key. There is no evidence of TH having lost the remote key or her using the non-remote key. It's possible (probable) that TH was using the remote key and this key/keys was lost by the killer and the spare non-remote key was taken from TH's home and used to move the Rav4 onto the Avery site then later planted in SA's home.
@Iazzaboyce That is not the *probable* reason. It's a laughable one lol Again, involving circumstances by both a separate "real killer" and planting by the police which there's no evidence of and even Zellner has changed her mind about. It's insane to see you people work these out in your head to confirm your biased views while not taking a step back to look at the whole picture. Even the small things you chalk up to conspiracy. There's no way from back in 2005 that we could find out if Teresa had lost or switched keys to the spare. You all use that to further bolster your crazy theories - that don't even work with each other, I'll add. Plenty of you don't even believe Teresa is dead.
@@RavensFanJ "even Zellner has changed her mind about" :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) "It's insane to see" you make this "argument" again and again, from quite some time (just like ollie and dark, the same "even Zellner ...")!! Well, she's smart, she knows what she's doing! .... you just don't understand, but nothing new here :P ;))
My question to Strang and NewScott on Kratzs' press conference 02 Mar 06. REF SCR 20:3.6a) Trial Publicity. States" shall not make extra judicial statement." Kratz knew it would be publicly communicated and would have a substantial likelihood of material prejudice on an adjudicative process?
Wow really?!?! That sounds like a trophy 🏆 Just like that crooked detective from the 1985 false rape case. He kept his sketch of Steven up on his wall even after it was proven that the bogus sketch helped incarcerate an innocent man. Sick sick pile of shit.
The key on the bedroom floor wasn't reliable evidence! Did they check if the key opened the RAV4. Did the defense check to see if the key felt new or used when put into a door lock or the ignition?
@@idurtpaige2274 Colburn admitted in court he shook the the nightstand where"The Magic Key" happened to be. Colburn and Lenk were not to take part in any investigation of the Avery property 'Conflict of Interest'. Obvious everyone agrees with rule/law bending. Lenk and Colburn help keep Steven Avery locked up for 12 extra years for something he did not do. Fact.
He did not admit the key was planted, he said "even *if* the key was planted, the rest of the evidence... etc etc" It's the equivalent of when someone you don't like asks you if you know where something is and you reply "Even *if* I knew where it was, I wouldn't tell you".
@@kylee315 Actually it was the family of Ron Goldman that had the book published as a way to get what OJ owed them lol But it's interesting you bring up that case. The defense there also used the "police planted evidence" defense theory. So you believe OJ was innocent, right?
@@RavensFanJ no, OJ had mountains of evidence proving he was guilty. He just bought his freedom. In the civil case, when they showed him a picture of him wearing the rare exotic shoes, that he says he never owned, the look on his face is all the evidence anyone needs to realize he was guilty.
Joji Obara murdered and dismembered Lucie Blackman with a chainsaw in his condo and yet no DNA evidence was ever found to bring to trial against him for doing so... But he hid her body less than 500 feet away in a small cave on the beach that his condo overlooked lol It's called true crime because it's *true* crime. Unlike the movies, killers can get extremely lucky when it comes to hiding certain evidence, but then a few small (or even just one sometimes) dumb mistake gets them caught.
Hi, I agree I’ve seen many forensic files episodes and am amazed at how many items associated with a murder are not discarded and later becomes evidence used to convict them. When I parallel the sanitized trailer, compared to all the rest of the evidence so convicting against Steve and Brendan it very hard to reconcile those facts, could it be possible? Perhaps, but unlikely.
@@RavensFanJ Well, "hiding certain" DNA and leave all the others and dust in place is not "getting extremely lucky", IS mission impossible! Or maybe it would need a forensic genius ...is Steven a forensic genius?!?! ;) :))))))))))))))))) And also, why do you continue to compare those two cases? That PMF had lots of properties, lots of money, lots of victims already at that time and NOT just a trailer, a day off from work and a bottle of bleach ;) Oh, yeah, and a rug doctor! He could have had the rug doctor COMPANY, if he wanted :P Plus, he didn't dismember her on the same day or place that she died, so ...maybe he had a "dexter-kit", that's why they couldn't find enough direct evidence ...after NOT ONLY "5 days to clean up the place"!!
@@MariaMar-ev9xdNeither one of those assumptions is true. It wouldn't require a forensic genius and killers *do* get that lucky. Other true crime cases have shown this as fact. Research Joji Obara or The Dupont Family lol
@@RavensFanJ "It wouldn't require a forensic genius and killers do get that lucky" :))))))))))))))))))))) But is IMPOSSIBLE with what you're saying, get it? Why do I even ask?!?! Of course you don't! Is not as simple as copy-pasting-wiki-pages! 🤪 That trailer is NOT a crime scene, period! Neither the garage! ...I CAN'T say the same thing about the RAV, though! PS: I already know something about that case, couldn't you tell???????? ;)
@MariaMar-ev9xd Oh? I don't see plenty of guilty people now believing he's innocent. I *do* however see a lot of people who thought he was innocent now believing he's guilty. And it's not just because of CaM.
The weirdest thing regarding the ‘magic’ key ~ Only Steven Averys DNA on it? 😅😂🤣😂😅! No sign of the owners! SA must have scientifically cleaned the key, the way he scientifically cleaned the trailer 😅😂🤣. SA is an absolute genius !
That part was actually testified about at trial. Touch DNA is very fickle. Usually, finding DNA from the last person to handle something and not others is common. Especially if they're what's known in the analyst community as a "heavy shedder" of DNA.
@@RavensFanJBULLSHIT. If that really was Theresa's everyday key (which I don't belive it was), it would have 100's if not 1,000's of her "touches" on it, compared to a couple of Steven's. I don't care who is or isn't a "heavy sheader", Theresa's DNA should've been on that key. You are a heavy sheader of bullshit just like Former DA Kratz.
@RavensFanJ Looks like a lot of people agree with your 💩 guilter, NOT. Heavy shedder is a cop out (pun intended) to cover for Sheree 's incompetence when planting TOUCH DNA, hence the strong dosage on the hood latch, ONLY Steven's again, surviving in excess of 146 days, unpreserved, in an uncontrolled environment 😀. Nothing on the Battery terminals from Steven and his SUPER TOUCH DNA 😀. Sloppy work Sheree 😀.
@@somerandomkid9438 That's the scientific term they use, even in their testimony. You laughing only goes to show how little you know about the analyst community lol It's a term to describe someone who has the trait to "shed a heavy amount of DNA in the form of skin cells". These types of people can end up covering up other DNA to the point it can't be found with testing.
When Steven and barb bought the play handcuffs they only bought one pair each ,so how did steven shackle poor Teresa to a bed post and legs to the other post with only one pair of play handcuffs…or did he ask barb can I use your pair of play handcuffs to use .
The key was planted it’s getting old, to see how they run around to hide their crime….their is a property not far from where the phone ping last…belongs to a manitowak officer…..the same officer that worked hard to hide himself..and planted the key
It's been 19 years since the investigation, and there's still no evidence of planting, framing, or conspiracy in any way, shape, or form. The *only* reason that theory even came into existence is because that's what Avery claimed from the start.
@MariaMar-ev9xd Then why did he lie to news reporters saying he'd take a polygraph if asked? Why in all his earliest prison calls does he state that "It has to be planted". Why is it not "I didn't do this so I *know* it was planted" lol
@@RavensFanJ You don't have a good memory ;) ...we already talk about that "lie" with the polygraph :))))))))))))))))))))) And you forgot also the first wrongful conviction, maybe that's why you have those questions!!!!!!!!!! :P He KNEW, because it was happened to him before ...if you're stop counting, maybe you will understand ;)) ...MAYBE! 🤪
Well, a pocket was involve in some way, right? ...just before the key was "found" :P ;)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) They thought that behind a bookcase, a "shaking, twisting, pulling" bookcase, a magic bookcase that leaves all the rest of the items in place on its top surface but makes a key go around the corner and under some slippers, is a "better place" than a pocket, because they're ...not so smart? ;)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) The key almost "f*ck-up (his) case" a little, so what more prove do you need?! It WAS planted! ;) What do you mean, "even without the key"?!?!? The key is and must be a important piece of evidence, it's (allegedly) the key of that car where her blood was found!!!!!!!!!!! Why would you "throw" it away?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!? No, you don't! And if the key was planted, it makes you wonder: what else was? What other "evidence" seems shady? Oh, a bullet "found" after months and months, after Brendan's "confession" when a critical piece of information was fed to him!!!!! A bullet, under something, but not a single drop of blood, in the garage ...really? There's no "plenty of evidence", not one actually, that she was in that trailer or garage! NONE!
@@MariaMar-ev9xd Yes, you are right, it was important because it had his DNA on it. Plus his blood in the RAV, THs belongings in the fire, Steven slipping up in various phone calls, Brendan also slipping up in multiple calls to his mom under no pressure from anybody. THs DNA on the bullet. there were small bloodstains found in the garage, A lot of work to go on and from someone. They had no motive to frame him, none what so ever
@@ourwilliam2405 No, the key IS important ONLY because "it's (allegedly) the key of that car where her blood was found!!!!!!!!!!!" The fact that was "found" in his bedroom, after (NOT) shaking that bookcase, with his DNA on it, it's just a story, one of their "stories" ...you choose to believe it and not question the obvious! Brendan was NOT "slipping" anything, the March 1 interview and the May 13 call (under pressure, btw!) are NOT confessions, not in a million years!!!!!!!! Again, you choose to believe it and not question the obvious! Your choice! The bullet had NO blood on it! Red paint, maybe, but not blood! There's NOT a single drop of her blood in that garage!!!!!!!!!! Not even ONE! She was shot 10 times, they say, but NOT A SINGLE DROP! ;) "They had no motive to frame him, none what so ever" :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Your eyes are closed, got it! ;)
So the problem with the making the murder documentary which I did not know it was edited it was evidence that was never told they were facts that were never spoken and some of the scenes that you saw the reactions to them weren't the actual reactions anyone who thinks Steven Avery is innocent needs to check out the documentary convicting a murderer convicting a murderer which shows unedited unfiltered facts about the case a lot of things in that documentary were just completely false
If you scroll back through New Scott's videos, you can find comments on them discussing these very same things by very different people than are here on this message board today. Only one thing has changed in that time: the people commenting. Avery is still in prison.
Why do you spend your time and energy over a convicted murderer. Every appeal has been denied. He committed the murder,tried to hide it but because of his low intelligence didn't think that through too well. The constant different stories himself, Brendon and the family spin is a wash with guilt . And you Scott are making him something he is not. You are no different to Netflix. What gets me is the total disregard for a young woman murdered, no respect. The evidence is so obvious. I will put it to you clearly. The police wanted to set SA up so they murdered the girl and burnt her. Put her bones in his fire pit, just to get him. No blood in the bedroom well she was shot in the garage. This guy and Brendon are not the full quid and the rest of the family. By Forensics profiling he is a perfect specimen of human evolution at its worst .
But in Brendan's trial "she was killed in the bedroom", you didn't know that?!?! Well, no blood in the garage, either!!! You didn't know that?!? "The evidence is so obvious" NOT ALL on the table, some was "lost", "never heard", "mislabeled", some with "no evidentiary value" and some known after years and years! So, you didn't know that, it's clear! So, I wonder, "why do YOU spend your time and energy over" a case you don't know?!?!?! :P ;))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) .... "specimen of human evolution at its worst" ;)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
@@MariaMar-ev9xdWhat's funny to me is if you go back on Scott's channel to his Avery videos from 3 years ago.. not only is it all different people like I've mentioned before, but you don't get any others questioning his innocence. Now I see new ones all the time. The pendulum is swinging back in the original direction from before MaM was made.
@@RavensFanJ If they are people like you, with "copy-paste" and "lol"ing all the way, I'll say FINE BY ME! :P :))))))))) WE, on "the train" of truth, have questions and we want answers ...a copy-paste thing is not enough for us :)
I think if in 2005, we had checked a thousand young women owning a five year-old car; one thousand of them would be using the remote key. If one or two of them was using the non-remote key they would have told someone they had lost the remote key.
Yep he's a genius that Steve, planting evidence on his property to incriminate himself and what a wizard in cleaning a crime scene. He should have a job with FBI
Ha!!! 😂
I saw one of New Scott's 3 year old videos the other day with comments from you on it. This case is still right where it was back then as well. Only thing different is the switch out of most of the commenters. It's about 95% new people from that point to now, leading me to believe they gave up and now it's the latest wave.
@@RavensFanJ Oh, so they are not the same people, but with "other accounts"?! You were saying that, some days ago ...now this, that are "new people" ....................make up your mind, bro, I can't keep up! 🤪 :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
@@MariaMar-ev9xd *You* are the other account Maria lol I remember when that account was still only a day old a little over a month ago.
@@RavensFanJ your actually quite freaky tbh…. Are you KK?? 😇
To hear Dean Strang say " I believe the key was planted by police" is huge. Lawyers just don't make those sort of matter of fact statements without a shed load of evidence . He didn't say the police (Lenk) 'probably' planted it , he 'Believes' it was planted....HUGE ! Of course when the key is looked at closely with no DNA from Teresa and only dust cells of Avery on it (from the carpet)
no finger prints, either of Steven or Teresa someone (Lenk) obviously cleaned it before he planted to avoid his own DNA being on it...OF COURSE IT WAS PLANTED. That evidence should have been thrown out of court because Lenk was the person who 'found' it when he shouldn't have even been there. The guy had a huge motive to plant it . The judge should have thrown it out but the judge was as bent as a bottle of crisps just like the rest of them. Kratz, the sherriff , the judiciary all wanted Steven gone. They weren't interested in finding 'The Truth' as the slime Kratz once lied they want Steven gone and ALL their problems go away with him. The $36 M lawsuit , probable prosections for officers involved with the original frame up...GONE.
"Zipperer's dog ate her."
Dean Strang lol..its difficult to establish who lies the most in this case. Is it Strang, Buting, Zellner or Avery. You decide.
@@davidmillerson4838 ....I decide Uncle kenny!!!!!!!!!!! Done, decided, thanks!!!!!!!! ;))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
@@cwwiss1 What got my claws was this blood vile.
I'm a phelombotist by profession and know that the small injection site on the stopper of the vile is normal.
To withdraw blood by this method means the rubber stopper is punched by a refracting needle so the blood can flow thr.to the vile. It's commonly called a vacationer method. When the lab receives the vile there is always an injection hole in the stopper. It's designed that when the rubber is pricked it closes. Worked in pathology for 11 yrs. The fact that his defence team was totally unaware of the pathology collection and how it works was a hiccup. From my professional experience a vile of blood kept in a clerk's office goes against every protocol and policy. Blood anything of that nature is kept in
A laboratory, not sure of the truth in that scenario.
Can someone help me make sense of this? If they only found bone fragments, how could they tell she had been shackled, raped, shot in the head and her throat cut?
Based on Brendan false coerced “confession”
So, they had no scientific forensics to prove it. The Wisconsin courts are nothing but a circus.
It was speculation on LE’s but because Brendan said it that means it is true apparently 🤷🏿♂️
@scottywright8146 Keep in mind Avery wasn't found guilty on any of those ideas. They were used at Brendan's trial only. They used the evidence against Avery to convict Avery. Brendan's confession was never used in his trial.
@@RavensFanJThey were covertly used in Steven's trial by Kratz press conferences. Don't try to tell us you believe the jury never saw those, or were able to set them aside. Kratz did that on purpose, it's crystal clear.
The key had to be planted. Seven searches took place, this tiny little bedroom and the key appeared when 3 cops are in the room. I do not buy the argument that they were looking for other things when told. Sounds dumb. It would sound like this “ I found a key” “ we are not here for that, we are looking for porn magazines “ . Colborn says he shook the cabinet and the key fell on the floor but nothing managed to move on or in the cabinet! Why wouldn’t Colborn do the same thing in front of KZ when asked??? Because he lied. Oh honest Andrew.
There weren't seven searches, there were 6 *entries* into the property before the key was found. That's how investigations work. I can show you the investigation documents if you'd like. Most of them were targeted entries for specific things or to do specific jobs. And even Zellner doesn't believe the police planted anything now, and she's since distanced herself from those theories lol
@@RavensFanJ Well, already from the 2nd entry, they were there in the bedroom/bathroom for 3 hours "looking for any evidence that would substantiate or eliminate her having been there." (trial transcript day 7, page 89)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You don't call that a search?! What was it, then? :)))))))))))))))
@@MariaMar-ev9xd "After the warrant was issued on November 5 at 3:30 p.m., law enforcement conducted a ten-minute sweep search of Avery's trailer and an eight-minute search of his garage, looking for any obvious evidence relating to Halbach's whereabouts. Then, at 7:30 p.m. that same day, law enforcement entered Avery's trailer for a second time. This time the officers stayed just over two and one-half hours and seized approximately fifty pieces of evidence, including some trace evidence.
The third and fourth entries occurred on Sunday, November 6, for the purpose of collecting weapons, a vacuum cleaner, and bedding from the spare bedroom and for an initial search by the state crime lab for trace evidence of blood. A fifth entry occurred on November 7, 2005, for the limited purpose of retrieving the serial number of Avery's computer.
It is the sixth entry into Avery's trailer on Tuesday, November 8, 2005, and the discovery of the Toyota RAV4 key during that search that provides the basis for Avery's challenge. The November 8 search of Avery's bedroom lasted approximately one hour. During the search, one of the officers tipped and twisted a bookcase, pulling it away from the wall. Another officer then noticed the Toyota RAV4 key on the floor of the bedroom."
There you go Maria. Your favorite copy/paste :]
Investigations are done in stages. It's not just one guy goes in and searches the whole place and marks everything. There's different people, and different teams, all with different jobs and goals related to the search.
@@RavensFanJ WTk you copy-paste again all that wiki stuff to me, at this hour?!?!?!?!? Bleah!
We already talk about this, comment after comment, with "trial transcripts (btw!) - that second entry you wnat to be small, it is just NOT!!!!!!!!!!! ;) It was a BIG entry :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))9
But you can do your thing, you talk to yourself a lot! It's no biggie ...
@@MariaMar-ev9xd That's how investigations and entries work, Maria. I'm sorry to burst your bubble. Or lemons lol
"I will be the first to admit, I wasn't any too gentle, as we were, you know, getting exasperated. I handled it (the bookcase) rather roughly, twisting it, shaking it, pulling it." - trial transcript day 7, page 126
...this is their "story", BUT the photos tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Almost ALL the coins are in the same place, like the bookcase itself ...some magic "twisting, shaking, pulling" going on there :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Right!?!? Now let's just pretend that Steven actually did kill Theresa. Would he hide that key in his house? OF COURSE NOT! He lived on his family's 40acre salvage yard, I'm sure he had dozens of hiding spots around that would be WAY more logical than on his bookshelf. Even if Steven did do it, that damn key was planted.......
@@johneckert1365That's entirely speculation. Criminals do stupid things all the time lol I can show you countless examples. Even geniuses can make mistakes when committing crimes, and I'm sure we can all agree Avery is not that.
@@johneckert1365 I can even go there, I can't pretend anything! There's nothing to indicate me that Steven has anything to do with her murder! BUT there's enough, for me, to indicate he was framed, exactly what he always said!!!!!!!!!!!
PLUS, Their "story" of what happened is ridiculous!!!!! Just like Raven here that is trying to ...to say something at least with 5% sense in it :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
@@MariaMar-ev9xd Yup 👍
@MariaMar-ev9xd "There's nothing to indicate Steven had anything to do with the murder"? What planet do you live on lol His and her blood in the RAV, the RAV on the ASY with his DNA on it, the bones in his fire pit and electronics in his burn barrel, the key in his room with his DNA on it, the countless testimonies against him from Bobby to Robert Fabian? What's that?! 😂
Here's my thoughts on the key:
Only SA's DNA was on the key.
But let's say for the sake of argument TH's DNA was on the key.
Then there's the micron count of DNA. According to what was explained to me locally, sweat DNA is not near as high as saliva. So, despite the argument that sweat DNA is impossible to plant. You don't have to plant sweat DNA. You can do so with a tooth brush which is saliva.
It was only one key.
How many people who have car keys, only have one key on their key chain, unless it's a spare?
The fob looked way too clean.
No dirt, no wear and tear, no signs of blood or residue of cleaning agents to remove blood off the fob. And wasn't SA finger supposedly bleeding when he was in the rav 4?
Andrew Colborn
He shouldn't have been there period.
I was under the understanding (pls correct if I'm wrong), AC was brought in as a key witness to testify against his superiors over the lawsuit. He was not being sued
He was a correctional officer which is a profession known for its corruption. And there's accounts of correctional officers that were worse than inmates. Would you want that type of individual working on your police force?
And he is on SA's property which is a conflict of interest. Nobody who was part of the MTSO should have been there. Much less unsupervised.
AC clearly wasn't supervised and should have not touched anything. But he conveniently finds the key.
If I was DA would have been furious with the department.
Apart from the planted argument, was AC threatened by his superiors?
And if he was, what did they have on AC, he didn't want getting out?
I agree with DS that SA could not have scoured the room. Apart from him not being the cleanest of individual s. I found no evidence he was never trained or certified, he never had the appropriate equipment, PPE, or cleaning agents. And to the best of my knowledge have appropriate knowledge to scour a homicide in his room.
I hate to say this but AC might have to be put on the stand and granted amnesty.
Teresa's sister testified that *she* gave her that lanyard that Teresa was using. It's not some giant conspiracy that her key was on it and it's speculation to suggest *everyone* in the world would put all their keys together lol
Furthermore, most of your comment is speculation. You cast doubt on Colborn for a reason as simple as his job description. That's not only rude, but if you were to do the same to other groups of people, it could even be considered stereotyping.
@@RavensFanJ The lanyard might have been removed from different key/keys, or found in the Rav4, or taken from TH's home and added to the 'found' key by someone involved in TH's disappearance or involved in the investigation (or both). What is more strange is the 'found' key is the non-remote key supplied as a spare key with the Rav4. It is highly unusual for a young person to be using the non-remote spare key to a 5 year-old Rav4. The nature of TH's vulnerable work and the fact she had ordered other replacement parts for her Rav4 suggests she would be using the remote key. There is no evidence of TH having lost the remote key or her using the non-remote key. It's possible (probable) that TH was using the remote key and this key/keys was lost by the killer and the spare non-remote key was taken from TH's home and used to move the Rav4 onto the Avery site then later planted in SA's home.
@Iazzaboyce That is not the *probable* reason. It's a laughable one lol Again, involving circumstances by both a separate "real killer" and planting by the police which there's no evidence of and even Zellner has changed her mind about. It's insane to see you people work these out in your head to confirm your biased views while not taking a step back to look at the whole picture. Even the small things you chalk up to conspiracy. There's no way from back in 2005 that we could find out if Teresa had lost or switched keys to the spare. You all use that to further bolster your crazy theories - that don't even work with each other, I'll add. Plenty of you don't even believe Teresa is dead.
@@RavensFanJ "even Zellner has changed her mind about" :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
"It's insane to see" you make this "argument" again and again, from quite some time (just like ollie and dark, the same "even Zellner ...")!! Well, she's smart, she knows what she's doing! .... you just don't understand, but nothing new here :P ;))
@@MariaMar-ev9xd That's not an argument. That's a fact supported by her tweets. You see how delusional you are lol
My question to Strang and NewScott on Kratzs' press conference 02 Mar 06.
REF SCR 20:3.6a) Trial Publicity. States" shall not make extra judicial statement." Kratz knew it would be publicly communicated and would have a substantial likelihood of material prejudice on an adjudicative process?
There is a picture of the key in evidence sitting on the counter in RH's apartment
I’m praying for the day, someone with photography knowledge, can make that image clear 🙏
Wow really?!?! That sounds like a trophy 🏆
Just like that crooked detective from the 1985 false rape case. He kept his sketch of Steven up on his wall even after it was proven that the bogus sketch helped incarcerate an innocent man. Sick sick pile of shit.
It's clear. Ryan Hillegas, Bobby Dassey, Ed Edwards, *and* the Zipperer's dog all killed Teresa. Case solved.
@@RavensFanJ There ya go! 👍
Welcome to the BRIGHT side of the moon 😉
@@johneckert1365 😉 👍
The key on the bedroom floor wasn't reliable evidence! Did they check if the key opened the RAV4. Did the defense check to see if the key felt new or used when put into a door lock or the ignition?
@@shanecarless4671 I understand you want to find him innocent,but what you are saying makes no
Sense. Yes it was the key to the Rave, it's all proven.
@@idurtpaige2274 Colburn admitted in court he shook the the nightstand where"The Magic Key" happened to be. Colburn and Lenk were not to take part in any investigation of the Avery property 'Conflict of Interest'. Obvious everyone agrees with rule/law bending.
Lenk and Colburn help keep Steven Avery locked up for 12 extra years for something he did not do. Fact.
Kratz admitted in closing arguments the key was planted.
He did not admit the key was planted, he said "even *if* the key was planted, the rest of the evidence... etc etc" It's the equivalent of when someone you don't like asks you if you know where something is and you reply "Even *if* I knew where it was, I wouldn't tell you".
@@RavensFanJ I know, just like OJ came out with a book titled "if I did it"
@@RavensFanJ you must be KK. No one else would even know what I'm talking about.
@@kylee315 Actually it was the family of Ron Goldman that had the book published as a way to get what OJ owed them lol But it's interesting you bring up that case. The defense there also used the "police planted evidence" defense theory. So you believe OJ was innocent, right?
@@RavensFanJ no, OJ had mountains of evidence proving he was guilty. He just bought his freedom. In the civil case, when they showed him a picture of him wearing the rare exotic shoes, that he says he never owned, the look on his face is all the evidence anyone needs to realize he was guilty.
The key just magically appeared out of nowhere, oops I got the whole place completely forensically sanitized, but I forgot the key 😩 really?
Joji Obara murdered and dismembered Lucie Blackman with a chainsaw in his condo and yet no DNA evidence was ever found to bring to trial against him for doing so... But he hid her body less than 500 feet away in a small cave on the beach that his condo overlooked lol It's called true crime because it's *true* crime. Unlike the movies, killers can get extremely lucky when it comes to hiding certain evidence, but then a few small (or even just one sometimes) dumb mistake gets them caught.
Hi, I agree I’ve seen many forensic files episodes and am amazed at how many items associated with a murder are not discarded and later becomes evidence used to convict them.
When I parallel the sanitized trailer, compared to all the rest of the evidence so convicting against Steve and Brendan it very hard to reconcile those facts, could it be possible? Perhaps, but unlikely.
@@RavensFanJ Well, "hiding certain" DNA and leave all the others and dust in place is not "getting extremely lucky", IS mission impossible! Or maybe it would need a forensic genius ...is Steven a forensic genius?!?! ;) :)))))))))))))))))
And also, why do you continue to compare those two cases? That PMF had lots of properties, lots of money, lots of victims already at that time and NOT just a trailer, a day off from work and a bottle of bleach ;) Oh, yeah, and a rug doctor! He could have had the rug doctor COMPANY, if he wanted :P
Plus, he didn't dismember her on the same day or place that she died, so ...maybe he had a "dexter-kit", that's why they couldn't find enough direct evidence ...after NOT ONLY "5 days to clean up the place"!!
@@MariaMar-ev9xdNeither one of those assumptions is true. It wouldn't require a forensic genius and killers *do* get that lucky. Other true crime cases have shown this as fact. Research Joji Obara or The Dupont Family lol
@@RavensFanJ "It wouldn't require a forensic genius and killers do get that lucky" :))))))))))))))))))))) But is IMPOSSIBLE with what you're saying, get it?
Why do I even ask?!?! Of course you don't! Is not as simple as copy-pasting-wiki-pages! 🤪
That trailer is NOT a crime scene, period! Neither the garage! ...I CAN'T say the same thing about the RAV, though!
PS: I already know something about that case, couldn't you tell???????? ;)
Yes the key planted ❤
Yes but he is clearly guilty asf he killed her and afterwards he burned her.
@@SaraHermans-nl8qz :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
@MariaMar-ev9xd They're everywhere now lol The brainwashing of MaM is at an end. The smoke is clearing.
@@RavensFanJ CAM* :P :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) You just wanted to "lol" something, right?
@MariaMar-ev9xd Oh? I don't see plenty of guilty people now believing he's innocent. I *do* however see a lot of people who thought he was innocent now believing he's guilty. And it's not just because of CaM.
avery is super guilty, its scary people want him out
The weirdest thing regarding the ‘magic’ key ~ Only Steven Averys DNA on it? 😅😂🤣😂😅! No sign of the owners! SA must have scientifically cleaned the key, the way he scientifically cleaned the trailer 😅😂🤣. SA is an absolute genius !
That part was actually testified about at trial. Touch DNA is very fickle. Usually, finding DNA from the last person to handle something and not others is common. Especially if they're what's known in the analyst community as a "heavy shedder" of DNA.
@@RavensFanJBULLSHIT. If that really was Theresa's everyday key (which I don't belive it was), it would have 100's if not 1,000's of her "touches" on it, compared to a couple of Steven's. I don't care who is or isn't a "heavy sheader", Theresa's DNA should've been on that key.
You are a heavy sheader of bullshit just like Former DA Kratz.
@RavensFanJ Looks like a lot of people agree with your 💩 guilter, NOT. Heavy shedder is a cop out (pun intended) to cover for Sheree 's incompetence when planting TOUCH DNA, hence the strong dosage on the hood latch, ONLY Steven's again, surviving in excess of 146 days, unpreserved, in an uncontrolled environment 😀. Nothing on the Battery terminals from Steven and his SUPER TOUCH DNA 😀. Sloppy work Sheree 😀.
@@RavensFanJ 😅😂🤣😂😅 Heavy Shedder?. 😂 ok
@@somerandomkid9438 That's the scientific term they use, even in their testimony. You laughing only goes to show how little you know about the analyst community lol It's a term to describe someone who has the trait to "shed a heavy amount of DNA in the form of skin cells". These types of people can end up covering up other DNA to the point it can't be found with testing.
When Steven and barb bought the play handcuffs they only bought one pair each ,so how did steven shackle poor Teresa to a bed post and legs to the other post with only one pair of play handcuffs…or did he ask barb can I use your pair of play handcuffs to use .
Yes it wae
How can you say scorcher and nice day in the same sentence lol yeah the key just never made sense
Come on down to Phoenix AZ you can cook eggs on the sidewalk we’re hitting temps over 100 in May
................... and don't forget: the key almost "fukked-up (the) case" a little ;) :)))))))))))))))
The key was planted it’s getting old, to see how they run around to hide their crime….their is a property not far from where the phone ping last…belongs to a manitowak officer…..the same officer that worked hard to hide himself..and planted the key
It's been 19 years since the investigation, and there's still no evidence of planting, framing, or conspiracy in any way, shape, or form. The *only* reason that theory even came into existence is because that's what Avery claimed from the start.
@@RavensFanJ I believe him!
@@soniaboudreau3151 Me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I REALLY do! To me, it seems so obvious he's telling the truth!
@MariaMar-ev9xd Then why did he lie to news reporters saying he'd take a polygraph if asked? Why in all his earliest prison calls does he state that "It has to be planted". Why is it not "I didn't do this so I *know* it was planted" lol
@@RavensFanJ You don't have a good memory ;) ...we already talk about that "lie" with the polygraph :)))))))))))))))))))))
And you forgot also the first wrongful conviction, maybe that's why you have those questions!!!!!!!!!! :P He KNEW, because it was happened to him before ...if you're stop counting, maybe you will understand ;)) ...MAYBE! 🤪
I am curieus what an ai computer would say about this case
someone ran it through ChatGPT a while back - ruclips.net/video/4e_DTweVXt0/видео.html
The key WAS so planted, that it almost "fu*k up (the) case" a little! :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
What more prove do you need? ;)
If they were going to plant it they could have planted it in a better place, in a pocket or somewhere.
It wasnt planted.
😆 Ooh..OK prove it wasn't, because Kratz couldn't.
@@3RAV4s Why did KK have to prove it?
Even wothout the key they still had plenty of evidence
Well, a pocket was involve in some way, right? ...just before the key was "found" :P ;))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
They thought that behind a bookcase, a "shaking, twisting, pulling" bookcase, a magic bookcase that leaves all the rest of the items in place on its top surface but makes a key go around the corner and under some slippers, is a "better place" than a pocket, because they're ...not so smart? ;))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
The key almost "f*ck-up (his) case" a little, so what more prove do you need?! It WAS planted! ;)
What do you mean, "even without the key"?!?!? The key is and must be a important piece of evidence, it's (allegedly) the key of that car where her blood was found!!!!!!!!!!! Why would you "throw" it away?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!? No, you don't! And if the key was planted, it makes you wonder: what else was? What other "evidence" seems shady? Oh, a bullet "found" after months and months, after Brendan's "confession" when a critical piece of information was fed to him!!!!! A bullet, under something, but not a single drop of blood, in the garage ...really? There's no "plenty of evidence", not one actually, that she was in that trailer or garage! NONE!
@@MariaMar-ev9xd Yes, you are right, it was important because it had his DNA on it. Plus his blood in the RAV, THs belongings in the fire, Steven slipping up in various phone calls, Brendan also slipping up in multiple calls to his mom under no pressure from anybody.
THs DNA on the bullet. there were small bloodstains found in the garage,
A lot of work to go on and from someone.
They had no motive to frame him, none what so ever
@@ourwilliam2405 No, the key IS important ONLY because "it's (allegedly) the key of that car where her blood was found!!!!!!!!!!!" The fact that was "found" in his bedroom, after (NOT) shaking that bookcase, with his DNA on it, it's just a story, one of their "stories" ...you choose to believe it and not question the obvious! Brendan was NOT "slipping" anything, the March 1 interview and the May 13 call (under pressure, btw!) are NOT confessions, not in a million years!!!!!!!! Again, you choose to believe it and not question the obvious! Your choice!
The bullet had NO blood on it! Red paint, maybe, but not blood! There's NOT a single drop of her blood in that garage!!!!!!!!!! Not even ONE! She was shot 10 times, they say, but NOT A SINGLE DROP! ;)
"They had no motive to frame him, none what so ever" :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Your eyes are closed, got it! ;)
So the problem with the making the murder documentary which I did not know it was edited it was evidence that was never told they were facts that were never spoken and some of the scenes that you saw the reactions to them weren't the actual reactions anyone who thinks Steven Avery is innocent needs to check out the documentary convicting a murderer convicting a murderer which shows unedited unfiltered facts about the case a lot of things in that documentary were just completely false
CONVICTING A MURDERER - DAILY WIRE PLUS - CANDACE OWENS
ruclips.net/p/PLnbbDh7GCi-qyKx8mf3RAvoSrhmID0BJU
Ugh.... Below is Hood latch,
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If you scroll back through New Scott's videos, you can find comments on them discussing these very same things by very different people than are here on this message board today. Only one thing has changed in that time: the people commenting. Avery is still in prison.
Why do you spend your time and energy over a convicted murderer. Every appeal has been denied. He committed the murder,tried to hide it but because of his low intelligence didn't think that through too well.
The constant different stories himself, Brendon and the family spin is a wash with guilt .
And you Scott are making him something he is not. You are no different to Netflix. What gets me is the total disregard for a young woman murdered, no respect. The evidence is so obvious. I will put it to you clearly. The police wanted to set SA up so they murdered the girl and burnt her. Put her bones in his fire pit, just to get him. No blood in the bedroom well she was shot in the garage.
This guy and Brendon are not the full quid and the rest of the family. By Forensics profiling he is a perfect specimen of human evolution at its worst .
But in Brendan's trial "she was killed in the bedroom", you didn't know that?!?!
Well, no blood in the garage, either!!! You didn't know that?!?
"The evidence is so obvious" NOT ALL on the table, some was "lost", "never heard", "mislabeled", some with "no evidentiary value" and some known after years and years! So, you didn't know that, it's clear!
So, I wonder, "why do YOU spend your time and energy over" a case you don't know?!?!?! :P ;)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
.... "specimen of human evolution at its worst" ;)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
@@MariaMar-ev9xdWhat's funny to me is if you go back on Scott's channel to his Avery videos from 3 years ago.. not only is it all different people like I've mentioned before, but you don't get any others questioning his innocence. Now I see new ones all the time. The pendulum is swinging back in the original direction from before MaM was made.
@@RavensFanJ To me, YOU are funny! More funny than any other video!!!!! :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
@MariaMar-ev9xd The truth hurts huh lol People are abandoning the Avery train.
@@RavensFanJ If they are people like you, with "copy-paste" and "lol"ing all the way, I'll say FINE BY ME! :P :)))))))))
WE, on "the train" of truth, have questions and we want answers ...a copy-paste thing is not enough for us :)
😊
Hes never getting out...
The key was not planted.
No it just teleported there after several searches….
Sure was it didnt float there
I think if in 2005, we had checked a thousand young women owning a five year-old car; one thousand of them would be using the remote key. If one or two of them was using the non-remote key they would have told someone they had lost the remote key.
@@KayleighChristensen 😂
@@david_bmx1148 😂