i teach guitar for a living, and this reminds me of when my intermediate/advanced electric guitar students want to try classical guitar. you have to pretend like you've never touched a guitar before in your life, and build from the beginning. cool video.
@ladgend productions they’re both cool, but there is some asymmetric intelligibility between the two styles. Just like how a weightlifter would almost certainly do better in a powerlifting meet than a powerlifter would do in a weightlifting meet, the same generally holds true when comparing classical guitar to electric. There’s just another level of technical proficiency that’s required of both weightlifting and classical guitar. That’s not to say that powerlifting or electric guitar aren’t hard or impressive, it’s just that the skills needed to be successful at weightlifting and classical guitar transfer better than they would the other way around.
@@aclouti6 That's completely false. Electric guitar can be just as hard or harder than typical classical guitar. Let a random classical guitarist try to play Frank Gambale style picking. He would need years to develop the technique, most likely will never reach it.
I've always found it pretty ironic that powerlifting doesn't rely on power at all while power is everything in weightlifting. Honestly powerlifting and weightlifting should switch names.
I use WLing as a way to build my power ironically. If you dont want to grind a weight up you need to move quick and the clean has always been the best way for me to work on that.
I think the most fun part about implementing WL into my PL program is starting at step 1. Years into powerlifting, you sometimes get tired of doing the same heavy work on the same movements/variations. Being able to just take a bar and learn the snatch is oddly enjoyable
@@rdog657 that's awesome man and i'm not gonna lie weightlifting learned me about stretching again i totally lost my mobility because of PL never saw any reason to stretch when i did PL.
@@brucepower3429 I’ve seen so many older lifters suffer from issues like knee and elbow joint mobility. I completely agree w you, I love being able to practice my front rack position and relearning that mobility
Poster child checking in here. 700lbs + squat and deadlift, 500lbs+ bench, 550lbs front squat, 350lbs strict OHP (which is als0 15lbs more than my best push press because I never really did those)... couldn't power clean 300lbs to save my life.
@@tv26889 Strength is genetic as well. Everything is genetic. But judging your genetic without years of training is stupid. Someone could be very responsive to training stimulus and therefore be genetically gifted.
@@MrOpticBlade We were talking about Explosive power and it doesn't improve that much. You don't go from a 30 inch vertical to a 38 inch vertical from training and even drugs. The person in the original comment had elite numbers on their lifts but couldn't clean 300 pounds. That's someone who isn't very explosive. I would wager their vertical is around 25.
Man this video came right on time Clarence. Just transitioned from Powerlifting to Weightlifting a month ago and oh boy. Just everything you have mentioned is 100% true from A-Z. Thanks man.
Nice to see the fake merc/fake coach get a mention. He was unable to make weight for "worlds" so he blamed it on black mold in his section 8 rental lol that's our boi hemmingway
You and Dimitry are my favorite weightlifters, I am almost 60 and just started weightlifting. Don’t mind if I ever CJ 100 K I love the process and will do until my passing…..wished I had known this as a kid
As someone who focused on powerlifting before eventually making the complete switch, here are my learnings: - being too strong meant on most movements my strength became a crutch that did not transfer when upping the weights - being used to lock out all joints means I have to untrain my body reflex and stay mobile and elastic during the first pull - not really needing to have mobility means I have to stretch all the time to make up for the time I was not
@@cold_servo_pie blaha has no program. That 5x5 program had been around for decades before stroke mouth surfaced , all he did was add curls to it and then claim it as his own program . As with everything else , where you find blaha you will find dishonesty
Spot on. I’ve been weightlifting almost 4 years now after almost 20 powerlifting, and you’ve nailed every major problem I continue to face. My overhead position and ability to get there with a snatch is still terrible, and the deadlifting mechanics took forever to unlearn. This is the first year I haven’t felt majorly limited, so patience is huge. That said, weightlifting is wayyyy cooler 😂
Nice! I got into weightlifting this september and having to unlearn the rounded back with the uneven shoulder blades from mixed grip deadlifts is just so hard. How'd you unlearn the rounded back? I feel like ive tried everything but it feels like its gonna take years to fix it.
Dude, weightlifting is SO frikkin cool. I wish gyms around me had some Olympic style lifters attending. Unfortunately, I live in a big city, and almost no one over here does it. A lot of powerlifters that don’t do more than low bar back squats and bench press.
@@kugelschreiber5678 Catalyst athletics best youtube channel and website for learning olympic weightlifting is what I found. Every single problem that you got has been solved there and greg everret (the coach) knows basically everything. You should also try looking up clarence kennedy's guide to the snatch and just practice each movement and obtain the mobility with a pvc pipe (you can literally do it all at home too btw) and also buy some olympic weightlifting shoes. So just obtain the mobility, learn the movement and spend like 1 month just slowly learning the movement bit by bit
Very convincing and interesting analysis. I wouldn’t say you are to hard on powerlifters. Both are barbell sports, but completely different and attract different people. I know from weightlifters who entered a powerlifting meet and were so exhausted that they sweared to never do it again while others loved it and switched because they couldn’t stand the stress anymore of putting huge weights over head in a movement where so much could go wrong.
As someone with a more bodybuilding-based training background, this video really spoke a lot to me. I've been learning the snatch technique for the past few months (first with an old 10 kg practice bar, then with a proper olympic bar) and I'm getting more and more confident, stable and stronger in the positions. My current Snatch PR is 37.5 Kg for a triple with arguably decent technique. (if I can say so myself, been talking to a few people in olympic weightlifting gyms and they say it looks good, i just need to become faster in the turnover). Of course, that isn't much at all but once I nail the technique even more I'm sure it's gonna go up. You are a great inspiration Clarence, never change dude.
Do you know what are your prs on deadlifting/squat/ overhead press? Just to understand the proportion because I don't really know what I can snatch and clean with my actual force
You got this. Just remember to not use your arms in thr first pull of either the snatch or the clean. This is most often the issue bodybuilding guya have.
I am very skinny, does it make sense to do hypertrophy exercises at the start of Olympic lifting and then in the long run as part of my training as well? Or it's just going to cause me problems.
Tricker and former powerlifter here. You inspired me to move to olympic lifts, and way more squatting as a result. It really helps my knees when training tricks and feels like i could progress at oly lifts for years to come. Thanks!
I don’t think you’re being too hard on us powerlifters. It’s a totally different art form, and I appreciate your frank assessment. As someone who might soon experiment with weightlifting, it’s a welcome admonition.
Ex powerlifter that converted to weightlifting in the last 9 months, went through a lot of these issues at first but now I'm starting to get around the 140kg C&J and the 110kg snatch, it's been a fun process, I have stopped doing deadlifts and besides one 12 week block with high bar squats, have focused on front squats only and it's actually very fun working on the technique and mobility now.
Do you think OLY weight lifting exercises could be used as accessory movements for powerlifting? Like the time under tension in a ATG clean benefiting your overall back squat numbers? I enjoy training both but I’m definitely more on the side of powerlifting.
Yes they could help, but for the literal opposite reason of time under tension - explosive power and speed. That's the reason why elite athletes in various power/speed-based sports are just insanely strong for their bodyweights when they do strength lifts.
heres a quick training exemplar used for college/university athletes -Primary Exercise Pause Back Squat (10 sets of three) -Auxilliary Exercise Clean + Front Squat + Jerk (10 sets) -Accessory Exercise Bulgarian Squat (3 sets of 10 reps) this can be used for with snatch complexes & multiple other variations just need be keep a REAL constant ... 90 reps in 45 minutes to an hour max youre welcome
It sure was a kick in the nuts going from a 240kg back squat back to a bar but I figured it would be cool to hit a 100kg snatch once in my life. I've found that everything you said was true. Definitely true that very little effort is needed to maintain appropriate strength levels, maybe just 7-10 heavy triples a week done after the mobility, sitting in a squat, snatch variations and overhead squats which I do until I feel that form has broken down past the point of effective training. I've always done clean grip front squats but found that I still had a ton of mobility work for the shoulders to catch. Two months in and my max is still around the same weight as what I can do for 5 ~ 70kg but that's weighing in at 140kg.
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After a decade of training I view resistance training like a buffet of sorts. I pick and choose what i like and interests me from calisthenics, bodybuilding, powerlifting and weightlifting as i believe when looking at one's performance holistically you cannot forego either of them. There is no harm in trying out something new but i don't believe it is necessary to abandon the rest. However if you have a goal of getting better at one specific thing or competing in a sport then by all means focus on what is important.
That's a nice viewpoint to have. Everyone is so quick to find their tribe and swear by their respective type of training but I also enjoy the freedom of using pieces of various training styles.
This is somewhat my own viewpoint aswell. A secondary advantage of this is that this applies your strength better in the world outside of sports. When you go through life you dont just lift your own body, you dont just do explosive lifts from ground to above your head, you dont just do slow and heavy lifts and your looks do certainly matter. You have use for all of it, sometimes you need to pull your body up, sometimes you need to lift a fridge or couch or carry heavy stuff, sometimes you need to throw things, and sometimes you need to look good. It also good to add in cardio and gymnastics as endurance/running aswell as flexibility and mobility are also relevant to life. So if you arent in a sport that requires just one of these things then it is very much in your own best interests to commit some time to all of these things, and you dont need to do all of these things every day. You also dont need to be a master at all of this though, you just need to get some level of proficiency.
@@Feedsyourminds dont forget exercises outside of strength too. Too many lifters dont do specific cardio training especially the steady state endurance based. For me I love lifting and but I also enjoy running for miles outside 5 AM in the morning more. Also dont forget mobility exercises like yoga too which can overall help your overall fitness.
I can not stand powerlifting. They took a cometition about lifting weights, and just cheat every range of motion on all their lifts. It's gotten so bad, normies think half depth squats are A-OK for "getting HYUGE".
Weightlifting is such a bourgeois sport. Hours up on Hours of plastic pipe- smoking practice. Specialty bar, bumper weights, Specialty flooring platforms, etc etc. Powerlifting on the other hand, a month or two of learning the techniques and development of good form, a bar, a bench and a cheap rack. That's all you are in business. Don't need to lift 3 hours a day 6 days a week. One can sufficiently become stronger with only 2 day sessions per week of only 45 to 60 minutes at a session in Powerlifting. Powerlifting is viable for the common working man with a 40 hours a week working schedule. Weightlifting on the other hand, good luck, the damn sport is your full time occupation.
Thats why weightlifting is an olympic sport and powerlifting is a hot garbage dump, coming from a powerlifter. There a re chinese kids training forms blindfolded this techniques with thousand year schools. Powerlifting is more suited for me personally. I just wanna have fun
you just need a pair of shoes and find a respectable gym - if you still manage to find excuses its on you. Anyone that is healthy can drop by an hour everyday of the week to be in shape & i personally experienced over time that olympic weightlifting variations are way easier to recover from than the sluggish "powerlifting" lifts.
As a powerlifter who went into weightlifting, Clarence made a very accurate video on this subject. Almost every topic he brought up I experienced to some degree. I really appreciate how objective he was about this.
One point you forgot to add is the increased chance of injury due to a good strength to bad technique ratio. I have seen many powerlifters get injured within just the first few months of weightlifting. It kind of goes along with the ego.
@@abdulrahmanalzahrani2072 I'd like to know too! I have a lot of experience doing squats, deadlifts and bench press already but am completely new to snatch.
Power lifters don't suck at weightlifting, because olympic weightlifting isn't the only kind of weightlifting out there. Sure, power lifters may suck at olympic weightlifting -- at first-- but they're still very good at weight lifting overall. Olympic weightlifting is very extremely technical, it's more than developing strength, as you said, it's an entire skillset and mode of moving. I do agree with everything you said overall but the way you phrase it sounds snobby and "gatekeepy" around the general term weightlifting.
I get ya, but Olympic weightlifting is referred to as weight lifting. He's not using it as a general term that encompasses any type of weight training. He means just Olympic style lifts. Because that's what he is and does.
the best thing is that clip was from his fake weights arc, where he claimed to press 225 or something close to it a month after pressing 165x3 at a commercial gym
@@hamm0155 Jason paid some guy online to post a video of a story about how he was a mercenary with him (Jason). He said they all called Jason "Hemmingway". Turned out the guy was just a friend of Blaha's meth addicted stripper girlfriend.
I've been powerlifting for 13 years. I've always found Olympic lifting super fascinating. I enjoy implementing snatch grip deadlifts and power snatches. I think they're great on developing power. Never had an ego issue since I am a coach and technique freak. I do empty bar up to 50-60 kg and have a great time using them as accessories in my training
In my experience, the first 6-12 weeks of going from powerlifting to weightlifting isn't "fun" as it will take this amount of time to get the right shoulder positions, which is the biggest limiting factor IMO.
This is all so true😢. Learning the clean and snatch pull are sooooooo different from a deadlift! Plus explosiveness isn't there at all, even though you would think there would be a transfer of strength from squats to jumping..... not so much🤣
One positive from the strength base I can imagine is being able to load some kind of plates right from the beginning for practice volume. Empty bar is nice for learning the movements and mobility and all, but it really is a struggle when you're trying to do actual snatch volume and progression but you simply don't have any capacity to increase the load, there is no available microloading plates and the empty bar just feels different than when you load the bar with any full size plates.
Simply put, there's a huge skill component to weightlifting which often goes unnoticed since it involved a barbell and hence everyone assumes it's just strength based. If a powerlifter wants to transition to boxing, for example, they wouldn't be too surprised at the need to practice the punching technique for months and even years, but with a barbell, even though the situation is not that dissimilar, it seems counter-intuitive.
This is a great video to learn about lifting. I understand, any type of movement in weightlifting takes years to learn and build techniques and strength.
Powerlifters suck at weightlifting because they’re slow and immobile most of the time. So they need to increase mobility and learn to move with actual power(speed x weight, not just weight) (kinda weird feel like the names of the sports should be switched 🤣 because weightlifting is for more power and technique based and powerlifting is far more weight based)
Not sure about having a big deadlift not translating well into Olympic weightlifting, especially the clean and jerk part. Deadlift doesn't require you to get underneath the bar, yea, but the initial lifting aspect where you have to lift the bar from the ground? Even a 100kg clean is going to feel extremely heavy, if not impossible if your max deadlift is only 150 kg.
Both sports are much different. Powerlifting is all about raw strength while olympic weightlifting is all about technique and power. I enjoy them both, and gave me great results!
I did weightlifting for a couple years before getting into bodybuilding and now powerlifting focus. A few months ago I did some cleans just for fun and hit a PR, but my front rack was bad and ended up causing my elbow tendinopathy to flare up lol. I didn't realize how I'd basically lost my front rack. I've added at least 1" to my arms and 3" to my chest since I did weightlifting, so getting into overhead position is hard. When I do OHP, I do focus on strong lockout, so my jerk positioning is rather OK, though I can't overhead squat at all right now. I'm getting older to get back into weightlifting and the ego aspect makes it hard for me to take the leap. Not sure if I want to dedicate months to years regaining my positioning when I find bodybuilding and powerlifting a lot more joint friendly. Plus, it took me a long time to gain this much mass. Maybe I could keep a lot of it, but know I'd be fighting a positioning battle for snatch.
I've been training only in weightlifting for 2 years now. I'm now going to some powerlifting and other muscles I do not train much to help balance out everything. Every exercise my traps were unconsciously helping out pointed by others. I also was trying to lift everything with so much speed and people did not know how to spot me. There are so many ways to lift and I love it. I hope you make more videos Clarence, love the discussions.
A major factor is that Olympic Lifting requires extraordinary flexibility and ability to relax then tighten and then explode upwards - Powerlifting is all about 'staying TIGHT' at all times to maintain core stability with maximal weights. Olympic Lifting in eastern Europe/Russia and China, start teens/children lifting a light bar, even a broomstick, for months to develop the proper Form and Technique - Powerlifters who try Olympic Lifting, try to 'muscle' the weights because they haven't taken the time (months or even years!) to develop their flexibility and balance. That said, I think modified Olympic Lifting, like high pulls, overhead squats and push jerks, are excellent for developing explosive power, flexibility and balance in almost all athletes who need 'Athletic Strength), which what Track & Field throwers have known for decades. I also think that a training period based around modified Olympic Lifting could help Powerlifters who are stuck in a plateau and haven't made any gains in a while.
Clarence, you mention that there's no point in doing strength exercises while you're starting to learn Olympic lifting. I am very skinny, does it make sense to do hypertrophy exercises at the start of Olympic lifting and then in the long run as part of my training as well? Or it's just going to cause me problems. Great video .
He made some general guidelines not everyone falls under the same principles. But yeah what Clarence means is generally you need to see how well you move with light weights and build that memory of clean and jerk and the snatch. Of course squats are necessary with correct technique. All this is coming from a dude that was lanky in thr past having a height of 188 cms.
I like Clarence's new approach to this channel. He just pops up every now and then to talk about whatever it's on his mind. And we all just sit down in a circle on the floor and listen.
I agree on some of the things,but you have to mention the need to practice snatches and cleans because those movements are ironically more skill based than conventional movements like deadlifts and squats.
Poor russel orhii. It was his first time weightlifting and you got him in every clip 😭😭😭😭 I do think that the mobility thing was because the weight was too light for him, he could get a better rack position as he went up in weight.
Watching this video makes me feel like Weightlifting is a more elegant and intellectual form of lifting than Powerlifting. I do more of a powerlifting style training because its easier to get into and builds over good strength as well but I enjoy watching weightlifting more.
I think you have to establish the premise that powerlifters are quitting at higher rates or lifting lower weights than say folks who start from gymnastics or nothing
i teach guitar for a living, and this reminds me of when my intermediate/advanced electric guitar students want to try classical guitar. you have to pretend like you've never touched a guitar before in your life, and build from the beginning.
cool video.
The trick to being good at guitar is having 50 fingers. Don’t lie to me
@ladgend productions they’re both cool, but there is some asymmetric intelligibility between the two styles. Just like how a weightlifter would almost certainly do better in a powerlifting meet than a powerlifter would do in a weightlifting meet, the same generally holds true when comparing classical guitar to electric. There’s just another level of technical proficiency that’s required of both weightlifting and classical guitar.
That’s not to say that powerlifting or electric guitar aren’t hard or impressive, it’s just that the skills needed to be successful at weightlifting and classical guitar transfer better than they would the other way around.
@@aclouti6 That's completely false. Electric guitar can be just as hard or harder than typical classical guitar. Let a random classical guitarist try to play Frank Gambale style picking. He would need years to develop the technique, most likely will never reach it.
@@leq1414 I never said it couldn’t be as hard, I said that there’s asymmetric intelligibility. Don’t put words in my mouth.
now do classical gas
I've always found it pretty ironic that powerlifting doesn't rely on power at all while power is everything in weightlifting. Honestly powerlifting and weightlifting should switch names.
I use WLing as a way to build my power ironically. If you dont want to grind a weight up you need to move quick and the clean has always been the best way for me to work on that.
Accurate, Power relates to speed over time, while powerlifters often grind out movements which is drawing upon strength more than power.
As someone training for powerlifting, I couldn’t agree more
It's all about form
Look up the definition for power. Seems pretty relevant to powerlifting.
I think the most fun part about implementing WL into my PL program is starting at step 1. Years into powerlifting, you sometimes get tired of doing the same heavy work on the same movements/variations. Being able to just take a bar and learn the snatch is oddly enjoyable
What are your numbers with powerlifting?
@@brucepower3429 currently (in pounds) S: 562, B: 391, D: 625. BW goes between 258-270
@@rdog657 that's awesome man and i'm not gonna lie weightlifting learned me about stretching again i totally lost my mobility because of PL never saw any reason to stretch when i did PL.
@@brucepower3429 I’ve seen so many older lifters suffer from issues like knee and elbow joint mobility. I completely agree w you, I love being able to practice my front rack position and relearning that mobility
athleticism and playing a sport is more fun than powerlifting and weightlifting
Poster child checking in here. 700lbs + squat and deadlift, 500lbs+ bench, 550lbs front squat, 350lbs strict OHP (which is als0 15lbs more than my best push press because I never really did those)... couldn't power clean 300lbs to save my life.
Explosive power is genetic. The vertical jump is a good test to see how good you'll be at olympic weightlifting.
@@tv26889 what is your vertical jump tony
@@Sam-uk4mb Never got it tested TBH. A vertical of 35 inches and higher would be someone who would be good at the olympic lifts.
@@tv26889 Strength is genetic as well. Everything is genetic. But judging your genetic without years of training is stupid. Someone could be very responsive to training stimulus and therefore be genetically gifted.
@@MrOpticBlade We were talking about Explosive power and it doesn't improve that much. You don't go from a 30 inch vertical to a 38 inch vertical from training and even drugs.
The person in the original comment had elite numbers on their lifts but couldn't clean 300 pounds. That's someone who isn't very explosive. I would wager their vertical is around 25.
Man this video came right on time Clarence. Just transitioned from Powerlifting to Weightlifting a month ago and oh boy. Just everything you have mentioned is 100% true from A-Z. Thanks man.
The front rack kid is insanely strong
By the time he’s FrontRackMan he may even surpass Clarence himself!
which one is he
@@nonduality1 3:23
Nice to see the fake merc/fake coach get a mention. He was unable to make weight for "worlds" so he blamed it on black mold in his section 8 rental lol that's our boi hemmingway
You and Dimitry are my favorite weightlifters, I am almost 60 and just started weightlifting. Don’t mind if I ever CJ 100 K I love the process and will do until my passing…..wished I had known this as a kid
It’s only every ‘you vs you’ for all of us - just be patient and enjoy the journey brother. Good luck
Keep it going
What's your clean and jerk atm and how long since you started, just curious?
@@ronnieplumper6047 thank you
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As someone who focused on powerlifting before eventually making the complete switch, here are my learnings:
- being too strong meant on most movements my strength became a crutch that did not transfer when upping the weights
- being used to lock out all joints means I have to untrain my body reflex and stay mobile and elastic during the first pull
- not really needing to have mobility means I have to stretch all the time to make up for the time I was not
Never thought I'd see Blahino in a Clarence video.
@@cold_servo_pie blaha has no program. That 5x5 program had been around for decades before stroke mouth surfaced , all he did was add curls to it and then claim it as his own program . As with everything else , where you find blaha you will find dishonesty
Spot on. I’ve been weightlifting almost 4 years now after almost 20 powerlifting, and you’ve nailed every major problem I continue to face. My overhead position and ability to get there with a snatch is still terrible, and the deadlifting mechanics took forever to unlearn. This is the first year I haven’t felt majorly limited, so patience is huge. That said, weightlifting is wayyyy cooler 😂
Nice! I got into weightlifting this september and having to unlearn the rounded back with the uneven shoulder blades from mixed grip deadlifts is just so hard. How'd you unlearn the rounded back? I feel like ive tried everything but it feels like its gonna take years to fix it.
@@tasbirmiah5247 keep practicing pulls with weight that’s light enough to stop you from going into bad habits 👍
Dude, weightlifting is SO frikkin cool. I wish gyms around me had some Olympic style lifters attending. Unfortunately, I live in a big city, and almost no one over here does it. A lot of powerlifters that don’t do more than low bar back squats and bench press.
@@kugelschreiber5678 you should start and be that weightlifter in your gym
@@kugelschreiber5678 Catalyst athletics best youtube channel and website for learning olympic weightlifting is what I found. Every single problem that you got has been solved there and greg everret (the coach) knows basically everything. You should also try looking up clarence kennedy's guide to the snatch and just practice each movement and obtain the mobility with a pvc pipe (you can literally do it all at home too btw) and also buy some olympic weightlifting shoes. So just obtain the mobility, learn the movement and spend like 1 month just slowly learning the movement bit by bit
Very convincing and interesting analysis. I wouldn’t say you are to hard on powerlifters. Both are barbell sports, but completely different and attract different people. I know from weightlifters who entered a powerlifting meet and were so exhausted that they sweared to never do it again while others loved it and switched because they couldn’t stand the stress anymore of putting huge weights over head in a movement where so much could go wrong.
As someone with a more bodybuilding-based training background, this video really spoke a lot to me. I've been learning the snatch technique for the past few months (first with an old 10 kg practice bar, then with a proper olympic bar) and I'm getting more and more confident, stable and stronger in the positions. My current Snatch PR is 37.5 Kg for a triple with arguably decent technique. (if I can say so myself, been talking to a few people in olympic weightlifting gyms and they say it looks good, i just need to become faster in the turnover). Of course, that isn't much at all but once I nail the technique even more I'm sure it's gonna go up. You are a great inspiration Clarence, never change dude.
xqcL u got this my friend we are all in this together
Do you know what are your prs on deadlifting/squat/ overhead press? Just to understand the proportion because I don't really know what I can snatch and clean with my actual force
You got this. Just remember to not use your arms in thr first pull of either the snatch or the clean. This is most often the issue bodybuilding guya have.
hey frend
I am very skinny, does it make sense to do hypertrophy exercises at the start of Olympic lifting and then in the long run as part of my training as well? Or it's just going to cause me problems.
"That's our boy hemingway" was very cheeky 😂😂😂
Tricker and former powerlifter here. You inspired me to move to olympic lifts, and way more squatting as a result. It really helps my knees when training tricks and feels like i could progress at oly lifts for years to come. Thanks!
I don’t think you’re being too hard on us powerlifters. It’s a totally different art form, and I appreciate your frank assessment. As someone who might soon experiment with weightlifting, it’s a welcome admonition.
1:42 what a callback! Totally forgot about our boy Hemingway.
Ex powerlifter that converted to weightlifting in the last 9 months, went through a lot of these issues at first but now I'm starting to get around the 140kg C&J and the 110kg snatch, it's been a fun process, I have stopped doing deadlifts and besides one 12 week block with high bar squats, have focused on front squats only and it's actually very fun working on the technique and mobility now.
Do you think OLY weight lifting exercises could be used as accessory movements for powerlifting? Like the time under tension in a ATG clean benefiting your overall back squat numbers? I enjoy training both but I’m definitely more on the side of powerlifting.
Yes they could help, but for the literal opposite reason of time under tension - explosive power and speed. That's the reason why elite athletes in various power/speed-based sports are just insanely strong for their bodyweights when they do strength lifts.
heres a quick training exemplar used for college/university athletes
-Primary Exercise
Pause Back Squat (10 sets of three)
-Auxilliary Exercise
Clean + Front Squat + Jerk (10 sets)
-Accessory Exercise
Bulgarian Squat (3 sets of 10 reps)
this can be used for with snatch complexes & multiple other variations
just need be keep a REAL constant ...
90 reps in 45 minutes to an hour max
youre welcome
lmfao I lost it at "that's our boy hemingway"
It sure was a kick in the nuts going from a 240kg back squat back to a bar but I figured it would be cool to hit a 100kg snatch once in my life. I've found that everything you said was true. Definitely true that very little effort is needed to maintain appropriate strength levels, maybe just 7-10 heavy triples a week done after the mobility, sitting in a squat, snatch variations and overhead squats which I do until I feel that form has broken down past the point of effective training. I've always done clean grip front squats but found that I still had a ton of mobility work for the shoulders to catch. Two months in and my max is still around the same weight as what I can do for 5 ~ 70kg but that's weighing in at 140kg.
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After a decade of training I view resistance training like a buffet of sorts. I pick and choose what i like and interests me from calisthenics, bodybuilding, powerlifting and weightlifting as i believe when looking at one's performance holistically you cannot forego either of them. There is no harm in trying out something new but i don't believe it is necessary to abandon the rest. However if you have a goal of getting better at one specific thing or competing in a sport then by all means focus on what is important.
That's a nice viewpoint to have. Everyone is so quick to find their tribe and swear by their respective type of training but I also enjoy the freedom of using pieces of various training styles.
This is somewhat my own viewpoint aswell. A secondary advantage of this is that this applies your strength better in the world outside of sports. When you go through life you dont just lift your own body, you dont just do explosive lifts from ground to above your head, you dont just do slow and heavy lifts and your looks do certainly matter. You have use for all of it, sometimes you need to pull your body up, sometimes you need to lift a fridge or couch or carry heavy stuff, sometimes you need to throw things, and sometimes you need to look good.
It also good to add in cardio and gymnastics as endurance/running aswell as flexibility and mobility are also relevant to life. So if you arent in a sport that requires just one of these things then it is very much in your own best interests to commit some time to all of these things, and you dont need to do all of these things every day. You also dont need to be a master at all of this though, you just need to get some level of proficiency.
@@andrek6920 This is why I enjoy playing rugby. It gets you using your strength in an explosive way
@@Feedsyourminds dont forget exercises outside of strength too. Too many lifters dont do specific cardio training especially the steady state endurance based. For me I love lifting and but I also enjoy running for miles outside 5 AM in the morning more. Also dont forget mobility exercises like yoga too which can overall help your overall fitness.
Damn didn't think Blaha would make an appearance LOL
I love the topics you discussed in these last 3 videos
I can not stand powerlifting.
They took a cometition about lifting weights, and just cheat every range of motion on all their lifts. It's gotten so bad, normies think half depth squats are A-OK for "getting HYUGE".
Weightlifting is such a bourgeois sport. Hours up on Hours of plastic pipe- smoking practice. Specialty bar, bumper weights, Specialty flooring platforms, etc etc. Powerlifting on the other hand, a month or two of learning the techniques and development of good form, a bar, a bench and a cheap rack. That's all you are in business. Don't need to lift 3 hours a day 6 days a week. One can sufficiently become stronger with only 2 day sessions per week of only 45 to 60 minutes at a session in Powerlifting. Powerlifting is viable for the common working man with a 40 hours a week working schedule. Weightlifting on the other hand, good luck, the damn sport is your full time occupation.
You don't need to train 6 days a week for weightlifting either, you're not lu
True
@@MaRaX93 it's still a lot more time consuming
Thats why weightlifting is an olympic sport and powerlifting is a hot garbage dump, coming from a powerlifter. There a re chinese kids training forms blindfolded this techniques with thousand year schools. Powerlifting is more suited for me personally. I just wanna have fun
you just need a pair of shoes and find a respectable gym - if you still manage to find excuses its on you. Anyone that is healthy can drop by an hour everyday of the week to be in shape & i personally experienced over time that olympic weightlifting variations are way easier to recover from than the sluggish "powerlifting" lifts.
Hello Clarice, do you also sell your stack along with the programs?
Blahino coming after you now Clarence0, you remember the powder wars!
As a powerlifter who went into weightlifting, Clarence made a very accurate video on this subject. Almost every topic he brought up I experienced to some degree. I really appreciate how objective he was about this.
Putting Russell Orhii on blast 🤣
cheeky little bloho reference was a sight to behold
One point you forgot to add is the increased chance of injury due to a good strength to bad technique ratio. I have seen many powerlifters get injured within just the first few months of weightlifting. It kind of goes along with the ego.
Ronnie Coleman’s 800 lbs “squat” which did not even go to parallel.
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Is there a beginner weightlifting program?
@@abdulrahmanalzahrani2072 I'd like to know too! I have a lot of experience doing squats, deadlifts and bench press already but am completely new to snatch.
@@abdulrahmanalzahrani2072 Yep!
@@clarence0 where
@@abdulrahmanalzahrani2072 Click the link on the comment you replied to
That’s our boy Hemingway!
1:46 Non negotiable!!!
Power lifters don't suck at weightlifting, because olympic weightlifting isn't the only kind of weightlifting out there. Sure, power lifters may suck at olympic weightlifting -- at first-- but they're still very good at weight lifting overall. Olympic weightlifting is very extremely technical, it's more than developing strength, as you said, it's an entire skillset and mode of moving. I do agree with everything you said overall but the way you phrase it sounds snobby and "gatekeepy" around the general term weightlifting.
I get ya, but Olympic weightlifting is referred to as weight lifting. He's not using it as a general term that encompasses any type of weight training. He means just Olympic style lifts. Because that's what he is and does.
the voice of the eternal spirit blessing us with more weightlifting knowledge
The random AoT frame 0:18 lol
glad u included hemingways OHP. he's a world class elite lifter
😂 why does he call blaha hemmingway?
@@patale1640 see natural hypertrophys fake merc character study for context
So that was Blaha, right? I would like to hear the Hemingway story, with which I am not familiar.
the best thing is that clip was from his fake weights arc, where he claimed to press 225 or something close to it a month after pressing 165x3 at a commercial gym
@@hamm0155 Jason paid some guy online to post a video of a story about how he was a mercenary with him (Jason). He said they all called Jason "Hemmingway". Turned out the guy was just a friend of Blaha's meth addicted stripper girlfriend.
I've been powerlifting for 13 years. I've always found Olympic lifting super fascinating. I enjoy implementing snatch grip deadlifts and power snatches. I think they're great on developing power. Never had an ego issue since I am a coach and technique freak. I do empty bar up to 50-60 kg and have a great time using them as accessories in my training
Imma knock you out Terry! IAM the best muay Thai champion!
Just kidding!you go king 👑
But what about mark Henry; He is the strongest in nearly all the four categories-
Powerlifting
Olympic lifting
Strongman
Staged wrestling.
Hemingway 😂
1:45 "That's our boy Hemingway!" LMAO
In my experience, the first 6-12 weeks of going from powerlifting to weightlifting isn't "fun" as it will take this amount of time to get the right shoulder positions, which is the biggest limiting factor IMO.
This is all so true😢. Learning the clean and snatch pull are sooooooo different from a deadlift! Plus explosiveness isn't there at all, even though you would think there would be a transfer of strength from squats to jumping..... not so much🤣
blahino strong strict press XDDDDD
cause they arent flexible and mobile, and have no cardio.
Our boy Hemmingway!
1:41 to see a fake power lifter
One positive from the strength base I can imagine is being able to load some kind of plates right from the beginning for practice volume. Empty bar is nice for learning the movements and mobility and all, but it really is a struggle when you're trying to do actual snatch volume and progression but you simply don't have any capacity to increase the load, there is no available microloading plates and the empty bar just feels different than when you load the bar with any full size plates.
Is that clip of blowhole from before or after he killed his dog ?
Clarence has ascended to a divine entity
Unfortunately this was all too real for me when I switched to weightlifting from powerlifting 😭
Truthfully, I have no interest in powerlifting or weightlifting but the comments about Bloho kept me on the vid. Cheers fellas
LMAO@thats our boy hemingway
HOW DID YOU GET FOOTAGE OF HEMMINGWAY?
Simply put, there's a huge skill component to weightlifting which often goes unnoticed since it involved a barbell and hence everyone assumes it's just strength based. If a powerlifter wants to transition to boxing, for example, they wouldn't be too surprised at the need to practice the punching technique for months and even years, but with a barbell, even though the situation is not that dissimilar, it seems counter-intuitive.
I think it's easier to be a good weight lifter and become a powerlifter than visa versa think mark Henry and micha K
Liked for bloho
Front rack kid sighted !
This is a great video to learn about lifting. I understand, any type of movement in weightlifting takes years to learn and build techniques and strength.
Powerlifters suck at weightlifting because they’re slow and immobile most of the time. So they need to increase mobility and learn to move with actual power(speed x weight, not just weight) (kinda weird feel like the names of the sports should be switched 🤣 because weightlifting is for more power and technique based and powerlifting is far more weight based)
Not sure about having a big deadlift not translating well into Olympic weightlifting, especially the clean and jerk part. Deadlift doesn't require you to get underneath the bar, yea, but the initial lifting aspect where you have to lift the bar from the ground?
Even a 100kg clean is going to feel extremely heavy, if not impossible if your max deadlift is only 150 kg.
Both sports are much different. Powerlifting is all about raw strength while olympic weightlifting is all about technique and power. I enjoy them both, and gave me great results!
Apparently Olympic style weightlifting training increases vo2 max, and is the only type of weightlifting that does this.
Is this Eren speaking?? Are we all in the coordinates right now???
1:47 the merc blessed us with his press LOL
I did weightlifting for a couple years before getting into bodybuilding and now powerlifting focus. A few months ago I did some cleans just for fun and hit a PR, but my front rack was bad and ended up causing my elbow tendinopathy to flare up lol. I didn't realize how I'd basically lost my front rack. I've added at least 1" to my arms and 3" to my chest since I did weightlifting, so getting into overhead position is hard. When I do OHP, I do focus on strong lockout, so my jerk positioning is rather OK, though I can't overhead squat at all right now.
I'm getting older to get back into weightlifting and the ego aspect makes it hard for me to take the leap. Not sure if I want to dedicate months to years regaining my positioning when I find bodybuilding and powerlifting a lot more joint friendly. Plus, it took me a long time to gain this much mass. Maybe I could keep a lot of it, but know I'd be fighting a positioning battle for snatch.
Hemingway is stronger than prime larry wheels.
And bigger than Serge Nubret
Honestly think that doing good technique on front squat is significantly easier than good technique on back squat.
No way at all - the front squat position alone pulls you forward and you don’t have the lower back to help you like in the back squat
hey terrance, do you think it would be possible to make an only fans account?
I've been training only in weightlifting for 2 years now. I'm now going to some powerlifting and other muscles I do not train much to help balance out everything. Every exercise my traps were unconsciously helping out pointed by others. I also was trying to lift everything with so much speed and people did not know how to spot me. There are so many ways to lift and I love it. I hope you make more videos Clarence, love the discussions.
The jerk and snatch are useless exercises with extremely high risk that nobody should ever ever do
Jerk and snatch are like CrossFit
Just don't do it
Uneducated
weightlifters try to respect one another challenge (impossible)
how do I transition from ow2 diva main to weightlifting?
A major factor is that Olympic Lifting requires extraordinary flexibility and ability to relax then tighten and then explode upwards - Powerlifting is all about 'staying TIGHT' at all times to maintain core stability with maximal weights.
Olympic Lifting in eastern Europe/Russia and China, start teens/children lifting a light bar, even a broomstick, for months to develop the proper Form and Technique - Powerlifters who try Olympic Lifting, try to 'muscle' the weights because they haven't taken the time (months or even years!) to develop their flexibility and balance.
That said, I think modified Olympic Lifting, like high pulls, overhead squats and push jerks, are excellent for developing explosive power, flexibility and balance in almost all athletes who need 'Athletic Strength), which what Track & Field throwers have known for decades.
I also think that a training period based around modified Olympic Lifting could help Powerlifters who are stuck in a plateau and haven't made any gains in a while.
1:45 had me ☠️
Clarence, you mention that there's no point in doing strength exercises while you're starting to learn Olympic lifting.
I am very skinny, does it make sense to do hypertrophy exercises at the start of Olympic lifting and then in the long run as part of my training as well? Or it's just going to cause me problems. Great video .
He made some general guidelines not everyone falls under the same principles. But yeah what Clarence means is generally you need to see how well you move with light weights and build that memory of clean and jerk and the snatch. Of course squats are necessary with correct technique. All this is coming from a dude that was lanky in thr past having a height of 188 cms.
Thanks to Clear an Clarence
I like Clarence's new approach to this channel. He just pops up every now and then to talk about whatever it's on his mind. And we all just sit down in a circle on the floor and listen.
1:44 rofl
Went from powerlifting to weightlifting months ago and this is all true
I like how the background pic is the pathways from Attack on Titan
Turdy percent off is a hell of a deal
Calrence has blessed us again
I agree on some of the things,but you have to mention the need to practice snatches and cleans because those movements are ironically more skill based than conventional movements like deadlifts and squats.
Hey bro just wanted to advise you that you really should be careful with the hemingway jokes. He can kill you with just one kick, stay safe.
Love to see our boy hemingway!
rare Hemingway sighting
Poor russel orhii. It was his first time weightlifting and you got him in every clip 😭😭😭😭
I do think that the mobility thing was because the weight was too light for him, he could get a better rack position as he went up in weight.
Seriously I mean, even just a month he would be way better than that video showed
They arent splosive enough
@@metsasuomalainen3691 Unironically yes. Lol
1:47 lol 😂 Jason blaha
Clarence I'm soo happy you're posting more than you usually do, really happy to see your content.
Watching this video makes me feel like Weightlifting is a more elegant and intellectual form of lifting than Powerlifting. I do more of a powerlifting style training because its easier to get into and builds over good strength as well but I enjoy watching weightlifting more.
The pokemon track in the beginning caught me off guard!
Wasn't expecting to see our boy Hemingway featured, pretty sure that amounts to treason!
I think you have to establish the premise that powerlifters are quitting at higher rates or lifting lower weights than say folks who start from gymnastics or nothing
Me, who doesn't do powerlifting neither weightlifting:
This is an awesome video
Excellent video. Can you next make one on why weightlifters suck at powerlifting, or why olympic swimmers suck at running marathons?