i teach guitar for a living, and this reminds me of when my intermediate/advanced electric guitar students want to try classical guitar. you have to pretend like you've never touched a guitar before in your life, and build from the beginning. cool video.
@ladgend productions they’re both cool, but there is some asymmetric intelligibility between the two styles. Just like how a weightlifter would almost certainly do better in a powerlifting meet than a powerlifter would do in a weightlifting meet, the same generally holds true when comparing classical guitar to electric. There’s just another level of technical proficiency that’s required of both weightlifting and classical guitar. That’s not to say that powerlifting or electric guitar aren’t hard or impressive, it’s just that the skills needed to be successful at weightlifting and classical guitar transfer better than they would the other way around.
@@aclouti6 That's completely false. Electric guitar can be just as hard or harder than typical classical guitar. Let a random classical guitarist try to play Frank Gambale style picking. He would need years to develop the technique, most likely will never reach it.
I've always found it pretty ironic that powerlifting doesn't rely on power at all while power is everything in weightlifting. Honestly powerlifting and weightlifting should switch names.
I use WLing as a way to build my power ironically. If you dont want to grind a weight up you need to move quick and the clean has always been the best way for me to work on that.
Poster child checking in here. 700lbs + squat and deadlift, 500lbs+ bench, 550lbs front squat, 350lbs strict OHP (which is als0 15lbs more than my best push press because I never really did those)... couldn't power clean 300lbs to save my life.
@@tv26889 Strength is genetic as well. Everything is genetic. But judging your genetic without years of training is stupid. Someone could be very responsive to training stimulus and therefore be genetically gifted.
@@MrOpticBlade We were talking about Explosive power and it doesn't improve that much. You don't go from a 30 inch vertical to a 38 inch vertical from training and even drugs. The person in the original comment had elite numbers on their lifts but couldn't clean 300 pounds. That's someone who isn't very explosive. I would wager their vertical is around 25.
I think the most fun part about implementing WL into my PL program is starting at step 1. Years into powerlifting, you sometimes get tired of doing the same heavy work on the same movements/variations. Being able to just take a bar and learn the snatch is oddly enjoyable
@@rdog657 that's awesome man and i'm not gonna lie weightlifting learned me about stretching again i totally lost my mobility because of PL never saw any reason to stretch when i did PL.
@@brucepower3429 I’ve seen so many older lifters suffer from issues like knee and elbow joint mobility. I completely agree w you, I love being able to practice my front rack position and relearning that mobility
As someone who focused on powerlifting before eventually making the complete switch, here are my learnings: - being too strong meant on most movements my strength became a crutch that did not transfer when upping the weights - being used to lock out all joints means I have to untrain my body reflex and stay mobile and elastic during the first pull - not really needing to have mobility means I have to stretch all the time to make up for the time I was not
Man this video came right on time Clarence. Just transitioned from Powerlifting to Weightlifting a month ago and oh boy. Just everything you have mentioned is 100% true from A-Z. Thanks man.
You and Dimitry are my favorite weightlifters, I am almost 60 and just started weightlifting. Don’t mind if I ever CJ 100 K I love the process and will do until my passing…..wished I had known this as a kid
Tricker and former powerlifter here. You inspired me to move to olympic lifts, and way more squatting as a result. It really helps my knees when training tricks and feels like i could progress at oly lifts for years to come. Thanks!
I've been powerlifting for 13 years. I've always found Olympic lifting super fascinating. I enjoy implementing snatch grip deadlifts and power snatches. I think they're great on developing power. Never had an ego issue since I am a coach and technique freak. I do empty bar up to 50-60 kg and have a great time using them as accessories in my training
If Clarence has a million fans, I am one of them. If Clarence has a thousand fans, I am one of them. If Clarence has ten fans, I am one of them. If Clarence has one fan, it’s me. If Clarence has 0 fans, I don’t exist.
As someone with a more bodybuilding-based training background, this video really spoke a lot to me. I've been learning the snatch technique for the past few months (first with an old 10 kg practice bar, then with a proper olympic bar) and I'm getting more and more confident, stable and stronger in the positions. My current Snatch PR is 37.5 Kg for a triple with arguably decent technique. (if I can say so myself, been talking to a few people in olympic weightlifting gyms and they say it looks good, i just need to become faster in the turnover). Of course, that isn't much at all but once I nail the technique even more I'm sure it's gonna go up. You are a great inspiration Clarence, never change dude.
Do you know what are your prs on deadlifting/squat/ overhead press? Just to understand the proportion because I don't really know what I can snatch and clean with my actual force
You got this. Just remember to not use your arms in thr first pull of either the snatch or the clean. This is most often the issue bodybuilding guya have.
I am very skinny, does it make sense to do hypertrophy exercises at the start of Olympic lifting and then in the long run as part of my training as well? Or it's just going to cause me problems.
Very convincing and interesting analysis. I wouldn’t say you are to hard on powerlifters. Both are barbell sports, but completely different and attract different people. I know from weightlifters who entered a powerlifting meet and were so exhausted that they sweared to never do it again while others loved it and switched because they couldn’t stand the stress anymore of putting huge weights over head in a movement where so much could go wrong.
@@cold_servo_pie blaha has no program. That 5x5 program had been around for decades before stroke mouth surfaced , all he did was add curls to it and then claim it as his own program . As with everything else , where you find blaha you will find dishonesty
As a powerlifter who went into weightlifting, Clarence made a very accurate video on this subject. Almost every topic he brought up I experienced to some degree. I really appreciate how objective he was about this.
I don’t think you’re being too hard on us powerlifters. It’s a totally different art form, and I appreciate your frank assessment. As someone who might soon experiment with weightlifting, it’s a welcome admonition.
Nice to see the fake merc/fake coach get a mention. He was unable to make weight for "worlds" so he blamed it on black mold in his section 8 rental lol that's our boi hemmingway
Spot on. I’ve been weightlifting almost 4 years now after almost 20 powerlifting, and you’ve nailed every major problem I continue to face. My overhead position and ability to get there with a snatch is still terrible, and the deadlifting mechanics took forever to unlearn. This is the first year I haven’t felt majorly limited, so patience is huge. That said, weightlifting is wayyyy cooler 😂
Nice! I got into weightlifting this september and having to unlearn the rounded back with the uneven shoulder blades from mixed grip deadlifts is just so hard. How'd you unlearn the rounded back? I feel like ive tried everything but it feels like its gonna take years to fix it.
Dude, weightlifting is SO frikkin cool. I wish gyms around me had some Olympic style lifters attending. Unfortunately, I live in a big city, and almost no one over here does it. A lot of powerlifters that don’t do more than low bar back squats and bench press.
@@kugelschreiber5678 Catalyst athletics best youtube channel and website for learning olympic weightlifting is what I found. Every single problem that you got has been solved there and greg everret (the coach) knows basically everything. You should also try looking up clarence kennedy's guide to the snatch and just practice each movement and obtain the mobility with a pvc pipe (you can literally do it all at home too btw) and also buy some olympic weightlifting shoes. So just obtain the mobility, learn the movement and spend like 1 month just slowly learning the movement bit by bit
Ex powerlifter that converted to weightlifting in the last 9 months, went through a lot of these issues at first but now I'm starting to get around the 140kg C&J and the 110kg snatch, it's been a fun process, I have stopped doing deadlifts and besides one 12 week block with high bar squats, have focused on front squats only and it's actually very fun working on the technique and mobility now.
I've been training only in weightlifting for 2 years now. I'm now going to some powerlifting and other muscles I do not train much to help balance out everything. Every exercise my traps were unconsciously helping out pointed by others. I also was trying to lift everything with so much speed and people did not know how to spot me. There are so many ways to lift and I love it. I hope you make more videos Clarence, love the discussions.
It sure was a kick in the nuts going from a 240kg back squat back to a bar but I figured it would be cool to hit a 100kg snatch once in my life. I've found that everything you said was true. Definitely true that very little effort is needed to maintain appropriate strength levels, maybe just 7-10 heavy triples a week done after the mobility, sitting in a squat, snatch variations and overhead squats which I do until I feel that form has broken down past the point of effective training. I've always done clean grip front squats but found that I still had a ton of mobility work for the shoulders to catch. Two months in and my max is still around the same weight as what I can do for 5 ~ 70kg but that's weighing in at 140kg.
I like Clarence's new approach to this channel. He just pops up every now and then to talk about whatever it's on his mind. And we all just sit down in a circle on the floor and listen.
After a decade of training I view resistance training like a buffet of sorts. I pick and choose what i like and interests me from calisthenics, bodybuilding, powerlifting and weightlifting as i believe when looking at one's performance holistically you cannot forego either of them. There is no harm in trying out something new but i don't believe it is necessary to abandon the rest. However if you have a goal of getting better at one specific thing or competing in a sport then by all means focus on what is important.
That's a nice viewpoint to have. Everyone is so quick to find their tribe and swear by their respective type of training but I also enjoy the freedom of using pieces of various training styles.
This is somewhat my own viewpoint aswell. A secondary advantage of this is that this applies your strength better in the world outside of sports. When you go through life you dont just lift your own body, you dont just do explosive lifts from ground to above your head, you dont just do slow and heavy lifts and your looks do certainly matter. You have use for all of it, sometimes you need to pull your body up, sometimes you need to lift a fridge or couch or carry heavy stuff, sometimes you need to throw things, and sometimes you need to look good. It also good to add in cardio and gymnastics as endurance/running aswell as flexibility and mobility are also relevant to life. So if you arent in a sport that requires just one of these things then it is very much in your own best interests to commit some time to all of these things, and you dont need to do all of these things every day. You also dont need to be a master at all of this though, you just need to get some level of proficiency.
@@Feedsyourminds dont forget exercises outside of strength too. Too many lifters dont do specific cardio training especially the steady state endurance based. For me I love lifting and but I also enjoy running for miles outside 5 AM in the morning more. Also dont forget mobility exercises like yoga too which can overall help your overall fitness.
the best thing is that clip was from his fake weights arc, where he claimed to press 225 or something close to it a month after pressing 165x3 at a commercial gym
@@hamm0155 Jason paid some guy online to post a video of a story about how he was a mercenary with him (Jason). He said they all called Jason "Hemmingway". Turned out the guy was just a friend of Blaha's meth addicted stripper girlfriend.
I am training and thoroughly enjoying the transition from Powerlifting training principles to Weightlifting principles. With mobility work for weightlifting, my powerlifting movements feel better and my "From the floor" deadlift is more explosive from practicing the Clean and jerk starting position, front squats and high pulls . I am of the opinion; which you can disagree with, have many positive carryovers to powerlifting
Do you think OLY weight lifting exercises could be used as accessory movements for powerlifting? Like the time under tension in a ATG clean benefiting your overall back squat numbers? I enjoy training both but I’m definitely more on the side of powerlifting.
Yes they could help, but for the literal opposite reason of time under tension - explosive power and speed. That's the reason why elite athletes in various power/speed-based sports are just insanely strong for their bodyweights when they do strength lifts.
heres a quick training exemplar used for college/university athletes -Primary Exercise Pause Back Squat (10 sets of three) -Auxilliary Exercise Clean + Front Squat + Jerk (10 sets) -Accessory Exercise Bulgarian Squat (3 sets of 10 reps) this can be used for with snatch complexes & multiple other variations just need be keep a REAL constant ... 90 reps in 45 minutes to an hour max youre welcome
One point you forgot to add is the increased chance of injury due to a good strength to bad technique ratio. I have seen many powerlifters get injured within just the first few months of weightlifting. It kind of goes along with the ego.
@8:32 is a good point but it would be probably wiser to MAINTAIN strength when learning olympic lifting since maintaining doesn't take a lot time or effort (1 moderately hard set per exercise goes a long way).
I agree on some of the things,but you have to mention the need to practice snatches and cleans because those movements are ironically more skill based than conventional movements like deadlifts and squats.
when I was in high school, I tried to do a clean and jerk, since I had recently hit 405 on my deadlift. I couldn't even clean 1 plate. Weightlifting is so different from powerlifting that it's almost mind boggling.
A major factor is that Olympic Lifting requires extraordinary flexibility and ability to relax then tighten and then explode upwards - Powerlifting is all about 'staying TIGHT' at all times to maintain core stability with maximal weights. Olympic Lifting in eastern Europe/Russia and China, start teens/children lifting a light bar, even a broomstick, for months to develop the proper Form and Technique - Powerlifters who try Olympic Lifting, try to 'muscle' the weights because they haven't taken the time (months or even years!) to develop their flexibility and balance. That said, I think modified Olympic Lifting, like high pulls, overhead squats and push jerks, are excellent for developing explosive power, flexibility and balance in almost all athletes who need 'Athletic Strength), which what Track & Field throwers have known for decades. I also think that a training period based around modified Olympic Lifting could help Powerlifters who are stuck in a plateau and haven't made any gains in a while.
In my experience, the first 6-12 weeks of going from powerlifting to weightlifting isn't "fun" as it will take this amount of time to get the right shoulder positions, which is the biggest limiting factor IMO.
Not sure about having a big deadlift not translating well into Olympic weightlifting, especially the clean and jerk part. Deadlift doesn't require you to get underneath the bar, yea, but the initial lifting aspect where you have to lift the bar from the ground? Even a 100kg clean is going to feel extremely heavy, if not impossible if your max deadlift is only 150 kg.
I mostly powerlift and have for a few years now. Whenever I've tried to implement some weightlifting in my training I've felt that no matter how heavy I might get, my form just sucks ass. I got my clean & jerk to 80kg in around two months of training but I know I'm more so, in Bugenhagen terminology, "horsecocking" the weight than actually lifting with proper form, even if I lockout. Strayed away from it for a while now, but I know that bug behind my ear telling me to C&J 100kg is gonna come back some day, but I'll have to keep myself from being stupid and learn how to ACTUALLY weightlift with a lot of technique work.
Weightlifting is such a bourgeois sport. Hours up on Hours of plastic pipe- smoking practice. Specialty bar, bumper weights, Specialty flooring platforms, etc etc. Powerlifting on the other hand, a month or two of learning the techniques and development of good form, a bar, a bench and a cheap rack. That's all you are in business. Don't need to lift 3 hours a day 6 days a week. One can sufficiently become stronger with only 2 day sessions per week of only 45 to 60 minutes at a session in Powerlifting. Powerlifting is viable for the common working man with a 40 hours a week working schedule. Weightlifting on the other hand, good luck, the damn sport is your full time occupation.
Thats why weightlifting is an olympic sport and powerlifting is a hot garbage dump, coming from a powerlifter. There a re chinese kids training forms blindfolded this techniques with thousand year schools. Powerlifting is more suited for me personally. I just wanna have fun
you just need a pair of shoes and find a respectable gym - if you still manage to find excuses its on you. Anyone that is healthy can drop by an hour everyday of the week to be in shape & i personally experienced over time that olympic weightlifting variations are way easier to recover from than the sluggish "powerlifting" lifts.
I recently started incorporating power cleans and hang cleans into my routine. I dont plan on doing Olympic weightlifting, but I was tired of feeling slow and unathletic with my current powerlifting style training, and thought more power and speed would really help, especially since I plan on doing some type of sport after college, whether it be mma or strongman. It’s Definitely been humbling. I thought for sure with my good strength base It would be easy- instead it’s taken me almost 3 months of consistent training to reach a measly 100kg power clean at a bodyweight of just over 90kg.The thing is that’s only half of my best back squat and not even half of my deadlift pr. It’s frustrating but rewarding at the same time. I’ve noticed my speed on the back squat and deadlift has improved tremendously already, and my hip mobility is leagues ahead of where it used to be. I’m hoping that by this time next year, I can look back and fondly remember struggling with 100kilos while I’m repping out 140kg :).
I did weightlifting for a couple years before getting into bodybuilding and now powerlifting focus. A few months ago I did some cleans just for fun and hit a PR, but my front rack was bad and ended up causing my elbow tendinopathy to flare up lol. I didn't realize how I'd basically lost my front rack. I've added at least 1" to my arms and 3" to my chest since I did weightlifting, so getting into overhead position is hard. When I do OHP, I do focus on strong lockout, so my jerk positioning is rather OK, though I can't overhead squat at all right now. I'm getting older to get back into weightlifting and the ego aspect makes it hard for me to take the leap. Not sure if I want to dedicate months to years regaining my positioning when I find bodybuilding and powerlifting a lot more joint friendly. Plus, it took me a long time to gain this much mass. Maybe I could keep a lot of it, but know I'd be fighting a positioning battle for snatch.
Started weightlifting about 4 months ago. Prior to it I have been just going to the gym. Safe to say my ego got hurt but it is worth it. Super fun sport
Simply put, there's a huge skill component to weightlifting which often goes unnoticed since it involved a barbell and hence everyone assumes it's just strength based. If a powerlifter wants to transition to boxing, for example, they wouldn't be too surprised at the need to practice the punching technique for months and even years, but with a barbell, even though the situation is not that dissimilar, it seems counter-intuitive.
Power lifters don't suck at weightlifting, because olympic weightlifting isn't the only kind of weightlifting out there. Sure, power lifters may suck at olympic weightlifting -- at first-- but they're still very good at weight lifting overall. Olympic weightlifting is very extremely technical, it's more than developing strength, as you said, it's an entire skillset and mode of moving. I do agree with everything you said overall but the way you phrase it sounds snobby and "gatekeepy" around the general term weightlifting.
I get ya, but Olympic weightlifting is referred to as weight lifting. He's not using it as a general term that encompasses any type of weight training. He means just Olympic style lifts. Because that's what he is and does.
Clarence, you mention that there's no point in doing strength exercises while you're starting to learn Olympic lifting. I am very skinny, does it make sense to do hypertrophy exercises at the start of Olympic lifting and then in the long run as part of my training as well? Or it's just going to cause me problems. Great video .
He made some general guidelines not everyone falls under the same principles. But yeah what Clarence means is generally you need to see how well you move with light weights and build that memory of clean and jerk and the snatch. Of course squats are necessary with correct technique. All this is coming from a dude that was lanky in thr past having a height of 188 cms.
So.. I just bought an olympic bar and a couple of plates. Coming from kettlebell sport. Have you seen issues with people coming from here, even though the movement patterns are similar?
This is all so true😢. Learning the clean and snatch pull are sooooooo different from a deadlift! Plus explosiveness isn't there at all, even though you would think there would be a transfer of strength from squats to jumping..... not so much🤣
Both sports are much different. Powerlifting is all about raw strength while olympic weightlifting is all about technique and power. I enjoy them both, and gave me great results!
This is a great video to learn about lifting. I understand, any type of movement in weightlifting takes years to learn and build techniques and strength.
Powerlifting is about how much weight we can move. Weightlifting has a lot more balance, need for being flexible and power. Less about how much you can move, but how much you can push
Watching this video makes me feel like Weightlifting is a more elegant and intellectual form of lifting than Powerlifting. I do more of a powerlifting style training because its easier to get into and builds over good strength as well but I enjoy watching weightlifting more.
I feel like the weightlifting has better transfer to other sports where explosive speed is required like sprinting or track cycling or short distance swimming. That super deep front squat way below parallel is probably great for building explosive leg power without having to slam a bunch of scary plate on.
When you say that you need to train quite often to progress with weightlifting I'd assume this also applies to athletes doing weightlifting on the side to supplement their sport. Is there anyway for athletes to progress with weightlifting beyond a certain point if they can't train in that frequently.
I can't front rack at all. Every time I've worked it, I always either roll back off my shoulders into my windpipe or forward off the delts. It's stopped me from effectively training cleans at all, but I love the snatch. It's going to be really funny when one day I snatch 175 (90 percent of my C&J max)
Would like to see a hybrid weightlifting-powerlifting event: the three main powerlifting lifts, and then perhaps a push press and/or a front squat one rep max.
I'm 15 right now and I'm doing weightlifting and powerlifting and I can't even shoulder press the bar while in a squatting position. But I also need a lot more lower body mobility as well. I really should just transition into weight lifting completely because people in weightlifting still have good powerlifting totals.
"powerlifting" is actually more like weightlifting, lifting heavy object from point a to point b "weightlifting" is more like powerlifting, you need explosive power to lift that heavy object
Weightlifting is mixture of lower body strength and power with technique .. Yes Squats matter the most in weightlifting. Whereas in powerlifting.. Strength is everything.. And they have to be strong in Both Upper and lower body via bench press and squat
What workouts would you suggest for someone who wants to get into olympic weightlifting? Because I can barely snatch a 45 lbs bar, and have to resort to using a 35 lbs bar instead, and was wondering lifts could help me increase my snatch.
Would you say that a strict standing OHP from the collarbones is better for weightlifting, than one that starts a little higher but below chin level? I don’t do too much bar lowering, but I’m unable to start my presses at the collarbone level (if I did my elbows would be behind the barbell), but would that matter if I wanted to get into weightlifting, I lock them out behind my neck.
I used to mess around with weightlifting as a weak powerlifter. Since I've had some lower back pain I can't do anything with impact like jumping, cleaning or snatching. But SBD are still fine. I hope one day I fully recover and I can get back into giving it a good go.
i teach guitar for a living, and this reminds me of when my intermediate/advanced electric guitar students want to try classical guitar. you have to pretend like you've never touched a guitar before in your life, and build from the beginning.
cool video.
The trick to being good at guitar is having 50 fingers. Don’t lie to me
@ladgend productions they’re both cool, but there is some asymmetric intelligibility between the two styles. Just like how a weightlifter would almost certainly do better in a powerlifting meet than a powerlifter would do in a weightlifting meet, the same generally holds true when comparing classical guitar to electric. There’s just another level of technical proficiency that’s required of both weightlifting and classical guitar.
That’s not to say that powerlifting or electric guitar aren’t hard or impressive, it’s just that the skills needed to be successful at weightlifting and classical guitar transfer better than they would the other way around.
@@aclouti6 That's completely false. Electric guitar can be just as hard or harder than typical classical guitar. Let a random classical guitarist try to play Frank Gambale style picking. He would need years to develop the technique, most likely will never reach it.
@@leq1414 I never said it couldn’t be as hard, I said that there’s asymmetric intelligibility. Don’t put words in my mouth.
now do classical gas
I've always found it pretty ironic that powerlifting doesn't rely on power at all while power is everything in weightlifting. Honestly powerlifting and weightlifting should switch names.
I use WLing as a way to build my power ironically. If you dont want to grind a weight up you need to move quick and the clean has always been the best way for me to work on that.
Accurate, Power relates to speed over time, while powerlifters often grind out movements which is drawing upon strength more than power.
As someone training for powerlifting, I couldn’t agree more
It's all about form
Look up the definition for power. Seems pretty relevant to powerlifting.
Poster child checking in here. 700lbs + squat and deadlift, 500lbs+ bench, 550lbs front squat, 350lbs strict OHP (which is als0 15lbs more than my best push press because I never really did those)... couldn't power clean 300lbs to save my life.
Explosive power is genetic. The vertical jump is a good test to see how good you'll be at olympic weightlifting.
@@tv26889 what is your vertical jump tony
@@Sam-uk4mb Never got it tested TBH. A vertical of 35 inches and higher would be someone who would be good at the olympic lifts.
@@tv26889 Strength is genetic as well. Everything is genetic. But judging your genetic without years of training is stupid. Someone could be very responsive to training stimulus and therefore be genetically gifted.
@@MrOpticBlade We were talking about Explosive power and it doesn't improve that much. You don't go from a 30 inch vertical to a 38 inch vertical from training and even drugs.
The person in the original comment had elite numbers on their lifts but couldn't clean 300 pounds. That's someone who isn't very explosive. I would wager their vertical is around 25.
I think the most fun part about implementing WL into my PL program is starting at step 1. Years into powerlifting, you sometimes get tired of doing the same heavy work on the same movements/variations. Being able to just take a bar and learn the snatch is oddly enjoyable
What are your numbers with powerlifting?
@@brucepower3429 currently (in pounds) S: 562, B: 391, D: 625. BW goes between 258-270
@@rdog657 that's awesome man and i'm not gonna lie weightlifting learned me about stretching again i totally lost my mobility because of PL never saw any reason to stretch when i did PL.
@@brucepower3429 I’ve seen so many older lifters suffer from issues like knee and elbow joint mobility. I completely agree w you, I love being able to practice my front rack position and relearning that mobility
athleticism and playing a sport is more fun than powerlifting and weightlifting
As someone who focused on powerlifting before eventually making the complete switch, here are my learnings:
- being too strong meant on most movements my strength became a crutch that did not transfer when upping the weights
- being used to lock out all joints means I have to untrain my body reflex and stay mobile and elastic during the first pull
- not really needing to have mobility means I have to stretch all the time to make up for the time I was not
The front rack kid is insanely strong
By the time he’s FrontRackMan he may even surpass Clarence himself!
which one is he
@@nonduality1 3:23
Man this video came right on time Clarence. Just transitioned from Powerlifting to Weightlifting a month ago and oh boy. Just everything you have mentioned is 100% true from A-Z. Thanks man.
How is your journey going so far man?
You and Dimitry are my favorite weightlifters, I am almost 60 and just started weightlifting. Don’t mind if I ever CJ 100 K I love the process and will do until my passing…..wished I had known this as a kid
It’s only every ‘you vs you’ for all of us - just be patient and enjoy the journey brother. Good luck
Keep it going
What's your clean and jerk atm and how long since you started, just curious?
@@ronnieplumper6047 thank you
@@saint5382 thank you
Tricker and former powerlifter here. You inspired me to move to olympic lifts, and way more squatting as a result. It really helps my knees when training tricks and feels like i could progress at oly lifts for years to come. Thanks!
I've been powerlifting for 13 years. I've always found Olympic lifting super fascinating. I enjoy implementing snatch grip deadlifts and power snatches. I think they're great on developing power. Never had an ego issue since I am a coach and technique freak. I do empty bar up to 50-60 kg and have a great time using them as accessories in my training
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I can never miss a Clarence upload. Love this guy
Good for you
If Clarence has a million fans, I am one of them. If Clarence has a thousand fans, I am one of them. If Clarence has ten fans, I am one of them. If Clarence has one fan, it’s me. If Clarence has 0 fans, I don’t exist.
As someone with a more bodybuilding-based training background, this video really spoke a lot to me. I've been learning the snatch technique for the past few months (first with an old 10 kg practice bar, then with a proper olympic bar) and I'm getting more and more confident, stable and stronger in the positions. My current Snatch PR is 37.5 Kg for a triple with arguably decent technique. (if I can say so myself, been talking to a few people in olympic weightlifting gyms and they say it looks good, i just need to become faster in the turnover). Of course, that isn't much at all but once I nail the technique even more I'm sure it's gonna go up. You are a great inspiration Clarence, never change dude.
xqcL u got this my friend we are all in this together
Do you know what are your prs on deadlifting/squat/ overhead press? Just to understand the proportion because I don't really know what I can snatch and clean with my actual force
You got this. Just remember to not use your arms in thr first pull of either the snatch or the clean. This is most often the issue bodybuilding guya have.
hey frend
I am very skinny, does it make sense to do hypertrophy exercises at the start of Olympic lifting and then in the long run as part of my training as well? Or it's just going to cause me problems.
Very convincing and interesting analysis. I wouldn’t say you are to hard on powerlifters. Both are barbell sports, but completely different and attract different people. I know from weightlifters who entered a powerlifting meet and were so exhausted that they sweared to never do it again while others loved it and switched because they couldn’t stand the stress anymore of putting huge weights over head in a movement where so much could go wrong.
Never thought I'd see Blahino in a Clarence video.
@@cold_servo_pie blaha has no program. That 5x5 program had been around for decades before stroke mouth surfaced , all he did was add curls to it and then claim it as his own program . As with everything else , where you find blaha you will find dishonesty
lmfao I lost it at "that's our boy hemingway"
As a powerlifter who went into weightlifting, Clarence made a very accurate video on this subject. Almost every topic he brought up I experienced to some degree. I really appreciate how objective he was about this.
I don’t think you’re being too hard on us powerlifters. It’s a totally different art form, and I appreciate your frank assessment. As someone who might soon experiment with weightlifting, it’s a welcome admonition.
Nice to see the fake merc/fake coach get a mention. He was unable to make weight for "worlds" so he blamed it on black mold in his section 8 rental lol that's our boi hemmingway
Clarence I'm soo happy you're posting more than you usually do, really happy to see your content.
Spot on. I’ve been weightlifting almost 4 years now after almost 20 powerlifting, and you’ve nailed every major problem I continue to face. My overhead position and ability to get there with a snatch is still terrible, and the deadlifting mechanics took forever to unlearn. This is the first year I haven’t felt majorly limited, so patience is huge. That said, weightlifting is wayyyy cooler 😂
Nice! I got into weightlifting this september and having to unlearn the rounded back with the uneven shoulder blades from mixed grip deadlifts is just so hard. How'd you unlearn the rounded back? I feel like ive tried everything but it feels like its gonna take years to fix it.
@@tasbirmiah5247 keep practicing pulls with weight that’s light enough to stop you from going into bad habits 👍
Dude, weightlifting is SO frikkin cool. I wish gyms around me had some Olympic style lifters attending. Unfortunately, I live in a big city, and almost no one over here does it. A lot of powerlifters that don’t do more than low bar back squats and bench press.
@@kugelschreiber5678 you should start and be that weightlifter in your gym
@@kugelschreiber5678 Catalyst athletics best youtube channel and website for learning olympic weightlifting is what I found. Every single problem that you got has been solved there and greg everret (the coach) knows basically everything. You should also try looking up clarence kennedy's guide to the snatch and just practice each movement and obtain the mobility with a pvc pipe (you can literally do it all at home too btw) and also buy some olympic weightlifting shoes. So just obtain the mobility, learn the movement and spend like 1 month just slowly learning the movement bit by bit
"That's our boy hemingway" was very cheeky 😂😂😂
Ex powerlifter that converted to weightlifting in the last 9 months, went through a lot of these issues at first but now I'm starting to get around the 140kg C&J and the 110kg snatch, it's been a fun process, I have stopped doing deadlifts and besides one 12 week block with high bar squats, have focused on front squats only and it's actually very fun working on the technique and mobility now.
1:45 "That's our boy Hemingway!" LMAO
cheeky little bloho reference was a sight to behold
I've been training only in weightlifting for 2 years now. I'm now going to some powerlifting and other muscles I do not train much to help balance out everything. Every exercise my traps were unconsciously helping out pointed by others. I also was trying to lift everything with so much speed and people did not know how to spot me. There are so many ways to lift and I love it. I hope you make more videos Clarence, love the discussions.
It sure was a kick in the nuts going from a 240kg back squat back to a bar but I figured it would be cool to hit a 100kg snatch once in my life. I've found that everything you said was true. Definitely true that very little effort is needed to maintain appropriate strength levels, maybe just 7-10 heavy triples a week done after the mobility, sitting in a squat, snatch variations and overhead squats which I do until I feel that form has broken down past the point of effective training. I've always done clean grip front squats but found that I still had a ton of mobility work for the shoulders to catch. Two months in and my max is still around the same weight as what I can do for 5 ~ 70kg but that's weighing in at 140kg.
1:42 what a callback! Totally forgot about our boy Hemingway.
I like Clarence's new approach to this channel. He just pops up every now and then to talk about whatever it's on his mind. And we all just sit down in a circle on the floor and listen.
the voice of the eternal spirit blessing us with more weightlifting knowledge
1:47 the merc blessed us with his press LOL
After a decade of training I view resistance training like a buffet of sorts. I pick and choose what i like and interests me from calisthenics, bodybuilding, powerlifting and weightlifting as i believe when looking at one's performance holistically you cannot forego either of them. There is no harm in trying out something new but i don't believe it is necessary to abandon the rest. However if you have a goal of getting better at one specific thing or competing in a sport then by all means focus on what is important.
That's a nice viewpoint to have. Everyone is so quick to find their tribe and swear by their respective type of training but I also enjoy the freedom of using pieces of various training styles.
This is somewhat my own viewpoint aswell. A secondary advantage of this is that this applies your strength better in the world outside of sports. When you go through life you dont just lift your own body, you dont just do explosive lifts from ground to above your head, you dont just do slow and heavy lifts and your looks do certainly matter. You have use for all of it, sometimes you need to pull your body up, sometimes you need to lift a fridge or couch or carry heavy stuff, sometimes you need to throw things, and sometimes you need to look good.
It also good to add in cardio and gymnastics as endurance/running aswell as flexibility and mobility are also relevant to life. So if you arent in a sport that requires just one of these things then it is very much in your own best interests to commit some time to all of these things, and you dont need to do all of these things every day. You also dont need to be a master at all of this though, you just need to get some level of proficiency.
@@andrek6920 This is why I enjoy playing rugby. It gets you using your strength in an explosive way
@@Feedsyourminds dont forget exercises outside of strength too. Too many lifters dont do specific cardio training especially the steady state endurance based. For me I love lifting and but I also enjoy running for miles outside 5 AM in the morning more. Also dont forget mobility exercises like yoga too which can overall help your overall fitness.
glad u included hemingways OHP. he's a world class elite lifter
😂 why does he call blaha hemmingway?
@@patale1640 see natural hypertrophys fake merc character study for context
So that was Blaha, right? I would like to hear the Hemingway story, with which I am not familiar.
the best thing is that clip was from his fake weights arc, where he claimed to press 225 or something close to it a month after pressing 165x3 at a commercial gym
@@hamm0155 Jason paid some guy online to post a video of a story about how he was a mercenary with him (Jason). He said they all called Jason "Hemmingway". Turned out the guy was just a friend of Blaha's meth addicted stripper girlfriend.
I am training and thoroughly enjoying the transition from Powerlifting training principles to Weightlifting principles.
With mobility work for weightlifting, my powerlifting movements feel better and my "From the floor" deadlift is more explosive from practicing the Clean and jerk starting position, front squats and high pulls .
I am of the opinion; which you can disagree with, have many positive carryovers to powerlifting
Do you think OLY weight lifting exercises could be used as accessory movements for powerlifting? Like the time under tension in a ATG clean benefiting your overall back squat numbers? I enjoy training both but I’m definitely more on the side of powerlifting.
Yes they could help, but for the literal opposite reason of time under tension - explosive power and speed. That's the reason why elite athletes in various power/speed-based sports are just insanely strong for their bodyweights when they do strength lifts.
heres a quick training exemplar used for college/university athletes
-Primary Exercise
Pause Back Squat (10 sets of three)
-Auxilliary Exercise
Clean + Front Squat + Jerk (10 sets)
-Accessory Exercise
Bulgarian Squat (3 sets of 10 reps)
this can be used for with snatch complexes & multiple other variations
just need be keep a REAL constant ...
90 reps in 45 minutes to an hour max
youre welcome
That’s our boy Hemingway!
One point you forgot to add is the increased chance of injury due to a good strength to bad technique ratio. I have seen many powerlifters get injured within just the first few months of weightlifting. It kind of goes along with the ego.
Ronnie Coleman’s 800 lbs “squat” which did not even go to parallel.
I love the topics you discussed in these last 3 videos
@8:32 is a good point but it would be probably wiser to MAINTAIN strength when learning olympic lifting since maintaining doesn't take a lot time or effort (1 moderately hard set per exercise goes a long way).
I agree on some of the things,but you have to mention the need to practice snatches and cleans because those movements are ironically more skill based than conventional movements like deadlifts and squats.
when I was in high school, I tried to do a clean and jerk, since I had recently hit 405 on my deadlift. I couldn't even clean 1 plate. Weightlifting is so different from powerlifting that it's almost mind boggling.
A major factor is that Olympic Lifting requires extraordinary flexibility and ability to relax then tighten and then explode upwards - Powerlifting is all about 'staying TIGHT' at all times to maintain core stability with maximal weights.
Olympic Lifting in eastern Europe/Russia and China, start teens/children lifting a light bar, even a broomstick, for months to develop the proper Form and Technique - Powerlifters who try Olympic Lifting, try to 'muscle' the weights because they haven't taken the time (months or even years!) to develop their flexibility and balance.
That said, I think modified Olympic Lifting, like high pulls, overhead squats and push jerks, are excellent for developing explosive power, flexibility and balance in almost all athletes who need 'Athletic Strength), which what Track & Field throwers have known for decades.
I also think that a training period based around modified Olympic Lifting could help Powerlifters who are stuck in a plateau and haven't made any gains in a while.
1:46 Non negotiable!!!
In my experience, the first 6-12 weeks of going from powerlifting to weightlifting isn't "fun" as it will take this amount of time to get the right shoulder positions, which is the biggest limiting factor IMO.
You probably wont ever see this but I found it great how you kept using the paths. Im a massive AOT fan so I had to recognize it instantly.
Our boy Hemmingway!
Not sure about having a big deadlift not translating well into Olympic weightlifting, especially the clean and jerk part. Deadlift doesn't require you to get underneath the bar, yea, but the initial lifting aspect where you have to lift the bar from the ground?
Even a 100kg clean is going to feel extremely heavy, if not impossible if your max deadlift is only 150 kg.
Putting Russell Orhii on blast 🤣
Hello Clarice, do you also sell your stack along with the programs?
Who is Clarice?
HOW DID YOU GET FOOTAGE OF HEMMINGWAY?
Truthfully, I have no interest in powerlifting or weightlifting but the comments about Bloho kept me on the vid. Cheers fellas
I mostly powerlift and have for a few years now. Whenever I've tried to implement some weightlifting in my training I've felt that no matter how heavy I might get, my form just sucks ass.
I got my clean & jerk to 80kg in around two months of training but I know I'm more so, in Bugenhagen terminology, "horsecocking" the weight than actually lifting with proper form, even if I lockout.
Strayed away from it for a while now, but I know that bug behind my ear telling me to C&J 100kg is gonna come back some day, but I'll have to keep myself from being stupid and learn how to ACTUALLY weightlift with a lot of technique work.
Weightlifting is such a bourgeois sport. Hours up on Hours of plastic pipe- smoking practice. Specialty bar, bumper weights, Specialty flooring platforms, etc etc. Powerlifting on the other hand, a month or two of learning the techniques and development of good form, a bar, a bench and a cheap rack. That's all you are in business. Don't need to lift 3 hours a day 6 days a week. One can sufficiently become stronger with only 2 day sessions per week of only 45 to 60 minutes at a session in Powerlifting. Powerlifting is viable for the common working man with a 40 hours a week working schedule. Weightlifting on the other hand, good luck, the damn sport is your full time occupation.
You don't need to train 6 days a week for weightlifting either, you're not lu
True
@@MaRaX93 it's still a lot more time consuming
Thats why weightlifting is an olympic sport and powerlifting is a hot garbage dump, coming from a powerlifter. There a re chinese kids training forms blindfolded this techniques with thousand year schools. Powerlifting is more suited for me personally. I just wanna have fun
you just need a pair of shoes and find a respectable gym - if you still manage to find excuses its on you. Anyone that is healthy can drop by an hour everyday of the week to be in shape & i personally experienced over time that olympic weightlifting variations are way easier to recover from than the sluggish "powerlifting" lifts.
The random AoT frame 0:18 lol
How can I learn weightlifting from you starting from zero.I was an amateur powerlifter with bw of 64kg
I recently started incorporating power cleans and hang cleans into my routine. I dont plan on doing Olympic weightlifting, but I was tired of feeling slow and unathletic with my current powerlifting style training, and thought more power and speed would really help, especially since I plan on doing some type of sport after college, whether it be mma or strongman. It’s Definitely been humbling. I thought for sure with my good strength base It would be easy- instead it’s taken me almost 3 months of consistent training to reach a measly 100kg power clean at a bodyweight of just over 90kg.The thing is that’s only half of my best back squat and not even half of my deadlift pr. It’s frustrating but rewarding at the same time. I’ve noticed my speed on the back squat and deadlift has improved tremendously already, and my hip mobility is leagues ahead of where it used to be. I’m hoping that by this time next year, I can look back and fondly remember struggling with 100kilos while I’m repping out 140kg :).
Love to see our boy hemingway!
It is great you are publicing this great stuff Clarence. I was squatting today ATG 100 kg. :)
why proud of weak?
big
@wojfer87 kiedy jakiś materiał z treningu szefie?
@@Puss1man depending on bodyweight 100kg squat isn't weak. It may not be all that strong, but it is certainly not weak compared to the average male
@@Puss1man why you mad
Blahino coming after you now Clarence0, you remember the powder wars!
I did weightlifting for a couple years before getting into bodybuilding and now powerlifting focus. A few months ago I did some cleans just for fun and hit a PR, but my front rack was bad and ended up causing my elbow tendinopathy to flare up lol. I didn't realize how I'd basically lost my front rack. I've added at least 1" to my arms and 3" to my chest since I did weightlifting, so getting into overhead position is hard. When I do OHP, I do focus on strong lockout, so my jerk positioning is rather OK, though I can't overhead squat at all right now.
I'm getting older to get back into weightlifting and the ego aspect makes it hard for me to take the leap. Not sure if I want to dedicate months to years regaining my positioning when I find bodybuilding and powerlifting a lot more joint friendly. Plus, it took me a long time to gain this much mass. Maybe I could keep a lot of it, but know I'd be fighting a positioning battle for snatch.
Started weightlifting about 4 months ago. Prior to it I have been just going to the gym. Safe to say my ego got hurt but it is worth it. Super fun sport
Is that clip of blowhole from before or after he killed his dog ?
Simply put, there's a huge skill component to weightlifting which often goes unnoticed since it involved a barbell and hence everyone assumes it's just strength based. If a powerlifter wants to transition to boxing, for example, they wouldn't be too surprised at the need to practice the punching technique for months and even years, but with a barbell, even though the situation is not that dissimilar, it seems counter-intuitive.
I like how the background pic is the pathways from Attack on Titan
Power lifters don't suck at weightlifting, because olympic weightlifting isn't the only kind of weightlifting out there. Sure, power lifters may suck at olympic weightlifting -- at first-- but they're still very good at weight lifting overall. Olympic weightlifting is very extremely technical, it's more than developing strength, as you said, it's an entire skillset and mode of moving. I do agree with everything you said overall but the way you phrase it sounds snobby and "gatekeepy" around the general term weightlifting.
I get ya, but Olympic weightlifting is referred to as weight lifting. He's not using it as a general term that encompasses any type of weight training. He means just Olympic style lifts. Because that's what he is and does.
Me, who doesn't do powerlifting neither weightlifting:
This is an awesome video
Damn didn't think Blaha would make an appearance LOL
Clarence, you mention that there's no point in doing strength exercises while you're starting to learn Olympic lifting.
I am very skinny, does it make sense to do hypertrophy exercises at the start of Olympic lifting and then in the long run as part of my training as well? Or it's just going to cause me problems. Great video .
He made some general guidelines not everyone falls under the same principles. But yeah what Clarence means is generally you need to see how well you move with light weights and build that memory of clean and jerk and the snatch. Of course squats are necessary with correct technique. All this is coming from a dude that was lanky in thr past having a height of 188 cms.
So.. I just bought an olympic bar and a couple of plates. Coming from kettlebell sport. Have you seen issues with people coming from here, even though the movement patterns are similar?
This is all so true😢. Learning the clean and snatch pull are sooooooo different from a deadlift! Plus explosiveness isn't there at all, even though you would think there would be a transfer of strength from squats to jumping..... not so much🤣
You right the mobility in the front rack is my biggest flaw in the front squat
Both sports are much different. Powerlifting is all about raw strength while olympic weightlifting is all about technique and power. I enjoy them both, and gave me great results!
Bro spit facts in our minds again
I wish he keep posting like old days 🥲
This is a great video to learn about lifting. I understand, any type of movement in weightlifting takes years to learn and build techniques and strength.
Powerlifting is about how much weight we can move.
Weightlifting has a lot more balance, need for being flexible and power. Less about how much you can move, but how much you can push
Watching this video makes me feel like Weightlifting is a more elegant and intellectual form of lifting than Powerlifting. I do more of a powerlifting style training because its easier to get into and builds over good strength as well but I enjoy watching weightlifting more.
In simple words:
Powerlifting: pure strenght
Weightlifting: strenght, speed and mobility
I would add perfect timing and balance to weightlifting
I feel like the weightlifting has better transfer to other sports where explosive speed is required like sprinting or track cycling or short distance swimming. That super deep front squat way below parallel is probably great for building explosive leg power without having to slam a bunch of scary plate on.
Clarence has ascended to a divine entity
My back-squat took a dive but my Snatch/ C&J is improving. Feels good!
When you say that you need to train quite often to progress with weightlifting I'd assume this also applies to athletes doing weightlifting on the side to supplement their sport. Is there anyway for athletes to progress with weightlifting beyond a certain point if they can't train in that frequently.
how do I transition from ow2 diva main to weightlifting?
That's why I love weightlifting, there's so much technique, mobility and skill in it, everything has to be perfect to execute 1 overall movement.
in my opinion weightlifting is way more impressive than powerlifting
Depends if they hit legs maybe they can clean and jerk.
As for snatch crazy movement pattern and shoulder strength
Is it just me or is Clarence voice slightly higher pitch
I take it elite weightlifters transitioning to powerlifting with have a much easier time than elite powerlifters transitioning to weightlifting?
Unfortunately this was all too real for me when I switched to weightlifting from powerlifting 😭
I can't front rack at all. Every time I've worked it, I always either roll back off my shoulders into my windpipe or forward off the delts. It's stopped me from effectively training cleans at all, but I love the snatch. It's going to be really funny when one day I snatch 175 (90 percent of my C&J max)
Thanks for the video, it was illuminating.
Good recommendations whether starting out or getting back in after an absence from it. Zack says it well too: "low expectations but high standards"
Would like to see a hybrid weightlifting-powerlifting event: the three main powerlifting lifts, and then perhaps a push press and/or a front squat one rep max.
Powerlifters doing push press is just awful. I would definitely not want to see that.
Have very occasionally seen SuperTotal meets which is Snatch, C&J, S,B,D
@@jonnenne why not? Genuine question. I have no clue what they are doing wrong.
I'm 15 right now and I'm doing weightlifting and powerlifting and I can't even shoulder press the bar while in a squatting position.
But I also need a lot more lower body mobility as well.
I really should just transition into weight lifting completely because people in weightlifting still have good powerlifting totals.
"powerlifting" is actually more like weightlifting, lifting heavy object from point a to point b
"weightlifting" is more like powerlifting, you need explosive power to lift that heavy object
Weightlifting is mixture of lower body strength and power with technique .. Yes Squats matter the most in weightlifting. Whereas in powerlifting.. Strength is everything.. And they have to be strong in Both Upper and lower body via bench press and squat
What workouts would you suggest for someone who wants to get into olympic weightlifting? Because I can barely snatch a 45 lbs bar, and have to resort to using a 35 lbs bar instead, and was wondering lifts could help me increase my snatch.
Totally spot on. (proceeds to watch all of Clarence's squat videos to get amped up for another 1rm squat session)
Clarence makes video. I watch. No hesitation.
I always do a strong lockout on the ohp even though I suck at weightlifting
I don't see the point in "bodybuilder form" when it comes to overhead
Would you say that a strict standing OHP from the collarbones is better for weightlifting, than one that starts a little higher but below chin level? I don’t do too much bar lowering, but I’m unable to start my presses at the collarbone level (if I did my elbows would be behind the barbell), but would that matter if I wanted to get into weightlifting, I lock them out behind my neck.
I used to mess around with weightlifting as a weak powerlifter. Since I've had some lower back pain I can't do anything with impact like jumping, cleaning or snatching. But SBD are still fine. I hope one day I fully recover and I can get back into giving it a good go.
What's the difference between powerlifting and weightlifting?
Turdy percent off is a hell of a deal
Thanks Clarence. Absolutely love this kind of content... This video give me a ton of knowledge about weightlifting... 😆🤩