'WWF RAW' Retrospective - Triangle X Squared O.
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In the long and storied history of video games based on professional wrestling, we’ve got a little bit of everything spread across the all time tier list. Titles like 2003’s WWE SmackDown! Here Comes the Pain on the PlayStation 2 or 2000’s WWF No Mercy on the Nintendo 64 can be slotted anywhere around the very top, I mean, that’s where you’d put them if you have a brain in your head. Today, for the first time ever, Triangle X Squared O crosses the line into Microsoft territory with the very first wrestling game ever released on the XBOX, WWF RAW. Does this 2002 title find itself near the top with the No Mercy’s of the world? There’s only one way to find out.
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RAW 2 For its career mode is ok. But the roster makes it a B+ player in my book.
Never Liked WWE on XBOX just PS1, PS2, NES and SNES except XBOX Series X love WWE 2K22 and WWE 2K23 on XBOX Series X
Raw 2 Next?
I bought an Xbox just for this game so imagine how mad I was
Lmao
Lmaooo that's funny and bogus all together.
Almost as bad as me wasting my bday money on WCW mayhem lol
Wow. I could understand picking up an entire console for an exclusive but every system had its own wresting game. This one was on you 100%.
That bad huh
Had this one back in the day. The PC was just severely lacking in wrestling games and I was mainly a PC gamer. Definitely had more fun messing around with the entrances than in the actual matches.
I'm glad you found an avenue to have fun with it, that's being smart!
I can concur wit hthe entrance customization of RAW. I made a character to the song the Philosopher by Death for my custom character, and to this day I feel that it is the best entrance I have ever made for the game. The red lihging, pyro that started right as the main riff of the song kicked in with a fog effect, I still think about it each time I go and create an entrance in any other wrestling game.
The games are so stiff, but their variety is really what makes them special. The best arena creator, the most weapons, the biggest roster, all with alt attires, for Raw 2. It's a shame the gameplay is painful
The philosopher
You know so much about nothing at all
Duuuuude hell yea.
I have such fun memories as this being the first wrestling game I ever played
Not the best way to start, hahaha
Mine was SVR 07
@@616Entertainment I was young and foolish I didn't see the flaws back then
@@Hiphiphistorian I don’t think any of us kids didn’t really lol. So I felt your pain. But when I played raw 2, that’s when I started seeing the flaws from the first game lol
So excited for this ! Was blown away by the graphics remember thinking how in the future this was compared to how the older games before it looked 😆😆
It definitely looks good!
Absolutely loved the fact we could play our own entrance music. I used ro come out to Shake Hands with Beef by Primus. 😂 Good times.
Couldn't do that until RAW 2, I'll cover that when we get there. =)
@@616Entertainment oh shit, that was indeed the sequel. My bad! The second was far superior, can't wait for the vid. 👍
I remember Fred Durst playing this game as himself in a music video. That's the only memory I think about when WWF RAW comes up. I played it once and forgot about it. RAW 2 was much better.
You did the best possible job covering this game. It was so minimal. They nailed the entrances and putting on a different hat thing, I wish more stuff like that was in current games. Create an Entrance on the Xbox RAW games was really incredible for the time. The amount of customization was inspired, not to mention you could add your own entrance music by burning a CD and adding them to the Xbox hard drive (you can do that in RAW 2, not sure about this one).
This was an exciting time to be a wrestling video game fan. Three new consoles, 3 different WWE games for each all doing they're own thing. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on RAW 2.
Unrelated, how excited are your for Wrestlequest on the Switch later this year?
Man the memories of this game, while my bro was playing Here Comes The Pain I had this & RAW 2 lol
Your brother got the better hand in that game of poker, hahahaha
Big oof!
OMG Raw2 is so much better. I have a suggestion for a show. I would absolutely love it if you got some of the guys together to do a RAW2 season play through.
SINGLE H😂😂😂 killed me. I was at work laughing my ass off. Cheers brother. Good video as always
I was proud of that, thanks, hahahha
Wrestlemania 21? You are a brave soul!!
Hey man, comes with the job. Hahahaha
Looking forward to the raw 2 game. I feel it has the best hell in the cell out of any game. Lots of fun playing with my friends back in the day
Next episode!
As an Xbox owner back then, this retrospective has brought back old memories...Bad ones...but memories none the less :(
My neighbor bought this game when I was a kid and talked it up. I finally played with him and had fun at first but got bored so fast.
I'm glad to see something about the raw games. I didn't have an original xbox nor ever play raw, and now I'm glad I didn't
Yea you didn't miss anything, hahahaha
Raw 2 was amazing, heck of a game
Definitely made up for this garbage.
It was alright. I just wish the gameplay improved.
I loved the WWF/WWE games that lived on PS2, Xbox and Gamecube. So many great memories
Recall having this one on the PC it was absolutely unplayable so bad to the point where I'd rather spend hours playing space pinball on the PC but these videos are amazing don't stop
More to come, more to come.
Space cadet pinball was so fun though
My favorite thing about the game was watching full screen, high quality attitude era titantrons in the creation suite
Definitely a cool aspect.
Ohhhh it’s a good day 🤘🏻❤️
Yessir yessir.
I had this game and still have my original copy. It really wasn't a great game, but I had a lot of fun with it. I remember many hardcore matches with my friends, and just beating the hell out of each other with weapons. That was really the best thing you could do. I'm looking forward to the other two Xbox games cuz I still have my original copies of those as well.
Finding fun with things that aren't great is key!
Oh boy I was looking forward to this, this game was the WCW Mayhem of us early 2000s wrestling gamers but regardless the problems it had, me and my cousins would always fire this up on my dad's laptop (since both XBOX and PlayStation 2 were so beefy back then to be able to carry them around whereever we wanted, and also needed a TV to play them on, my dad's laptop was the best choice in these situation's for a quick play) whenever we would go for a short trip or something and we Loved it! Now that I've bring back my Xbox from the dead to play this long lost friend, I'm baffled at how we used to play it without raging at the screen, it just does not hold up anymore unfortunately.
P.S: Ian just wanted to mention that if your Xbox is modded, make sure you update your Wrestlemania 21 since that game is filled with game breaking bugs and glitches without it.
So I don't enjoy the game but I have fond memories playing it. Raw 2 on the other hand was my personal favorite game for the Xbox wrestling wise. Luckily at my mom's house we had a GameCube and I got Day of reckoning one and two and WrestleMania 18 , I wanted 19 but beggars can't be choosers
Nailed it dude. The only positive was the roster and presentation.
Sweet shirt, I need a Paradise Patch shirt in my life
Paradise Patch is as top tier as it gets.
Yo you dealin' with the X-Factor! (Uncle Kracker Plays)
I got everything I ever wanted, and I'll never give that back
Hey I know you hate X Factor but you ain't gotta look at me like that
Also had this game for pc for like 10 bucks on sale. Man was I disappointed after being in awe for the great presentation.
Yea even for $10, it’s just… there’s nothing here. =\
The awesome camera angles on entrances are so you can appreciate those smokin walking animations
/sarcasm
You're finally covering the games I grew up on for better or worse. I had only an Xbox for a long time but never had Raw 1 but I had Raw 2 and loved it even though I didn't know how to play cus I was so young. Then the disk was found broken probably got stepped on idk and I was upset. So for Christmas that year we got WrestleMania 21 😑. Yeah not a good a replacement but it was the only WWE game we've had until I got a GameCube so I played the crap out of it. So many memories!
GameCube was SUCH an upgrade for a wrestling fan.
Less then 100 subs left for the 100k milestone, Ian-Boy! Don't give up, you are almost there!
Love these retrospectives so much..so glad you're still doing them
Retrospectives are my favorite thing to do and are by far the biggest draw for the channel. They’ll never go away.
I've been looking forward to this. Games like Smackdown and No Mercy are talked about to death but I never knew anything about the XBox titles
I might’ve been the only person that liked all 3 games you mention in the beginning of the video, they all were fun in their own way and kept me entertained for hours as a kid
The presentation in this game is phenomenal. They captured the aesthetic. Sadly that’s where the praise stops lol
I’d argue you’re better off playing wwf attitude lol
And that truly is sad. Attitude is terrible, it was the bane of my existence as a kid lol.
@@mistermann3225 I remember going to the game store for my birthday looking for WM 2000 & they were out of stock. I had to settle for attitude 😔😂 but best believe I made the absolute best out of that game.
@@MR.__G I was a PlayStation kid. My cousins however, had a Nintendo 64. We put hours into Attitude, even though I hated it. When Wrestlemania 2000 came out, it was like a godsend...lol. Absolutely love that game.
@@mistermann3225 wm 2000 was the first wwf game that was great ! All of us who played wcw revenge knew it was going to be great with the same gaming engine in place. I think smackdown dropped not too long after that. Smackdown was also pretty good. I was blown away the first time playing it as well
Another good episode in the books! I had a friend who had Raw on his Xbox, I don’t know if I ever got the chance to actually play it because he never wanted to. Now I think I understand why haha.
It’s crazy that they nailed so much of the detail, but totally whiffed on the bigger picture stuff that makes games have any staying power. Hoping for better things out of Raw 2, looking forward to that video!
I was a ruthless aggression era kid, started watching in 05, around 08-09 I owned SVR 06 and Day of reckoning 2 but I always heard cool stuff about the attitude era so when I got Just Bring It I was addicted to it lol, I loved the backstage areas and roster. I remember how badass the cover art for Raw looked so I bought it but the gameplay sucked so bad lol
Definitely a letdown, definitely.
I always wanted to check this game out but never had the opportunity since I never had an original Xbox. But now that I know more about the game I’m even more grateful I grew up with a PlayStation and the Smackdown series instead. I seriously can’t imagine being on the other side of the spectrum back then.
I was more PlayStation than Xbox but never had a reason to dislike it.
Graphics and presentation can only go so far
It’s kinda crazy we haven’t seen this raw arena in a game since at least not to my knowledge
My brother had this game. Couldn't quite get to grips with it, much preferred the arcadey feel of the Smackdown games, though memory tells we had a good table match where I won by reversing a cross body into a slam through a table
Excellent spot.
This was one of my most played game on back then, because it was the only wwe game available for PC at that time and me and my friend used to play many matches with each other using a single keyboard. Fun thing is I didn't even know how to do finisher in this game for years😅 and I still didn't mind, I used to create my character and play Exhibition match all day with it, since there is no career mode, and although this game didn't even have enough content but it was still my jam as a kid. still miss those days.
i remember downloading this game for pc from a certain file sharing program around that time. It felt underground as fuck. and because there were no other wrestling games on PC i had quite a good time playing this.
at least someone had a good time
Ian I was just Like you I was a PS2 guy but all my friends had a Xbox 360. When I finally bought a 360 with my own money in 2011 I was so happy. That’s the first console I bought at age 17. I was a big Halo guy and Gears of War fan.
Hey Ian,
I've left comments like this before but I just wanted you to know I'm having a pretty brutally bad night full of anxiety and stuff but I swear, the second I turn on one of your videos, the vibes are so positive, chill, and welcoming, that I instantly start to feel better.
Thank you, and the chances that I hop on that Patreon train grow by the day.
Glad I could lend a little bit of levity to an otherwise rough night. We all have them, ya know? Just keep moving.
You can join the Discord too, if you like. All good people in there. discord.gg/CPHVSaUN
@@616Entertainment Much love. Thanks brother.
missed the wrestling docu god!! 🙌🏼😅 great stuff as always 🫶🏼
One thing about this game Is It released a few days after the ruthless aggression era began so obviously the game Is around the end of the attitude era but the game box features the then new WWE RAW logo for the time
This is not a complaint lol. But when u mentioned raw2 I was like oh shi- he's hitting us with a classic ian double feature swerve lol....then u hit us with the "next week". I was ahhhh he got me lol. I love everything about how you do your deep dive video essay style videos. They 2nd to none. & your history of's are now & forever will be my favorite thing on RUclips. U da man ian
Thanks man, I appreciate it. Hate to disappoint, but I didn’t say “next week,” I said “next time.” The RAW 2 episode of TXSO is probably a month out.
But next week is the Frankenstein episode of SCREAM SEQUENCE, so there’s another retrospective coming next week either way. =)
Such premium content, thank you for your dedication!!
This is a glorious day a great content creator his 100k let’s go!!!!!!!
I remember enjoying both this an Raw 2 as a kid. I particularly like Raw 2 with the a reeeally fun and ridiculous CO OP season mode. My uncle and I had a BLAST playing that together. I CANNOT wait for you to do a Retrospective on that one.😁
Man, I feel so bad for this game, Anchor Inc., and all the Xbox kids growing up. This one had SO much potential and could’ve been an amazing game, as this was the Attitude Era for God’s sakes, but with the lack of gimmick matches, lack of modes, lack of anything special, it boggles my mind thinking, “How the hell was this released in the first place?”. This could’ve been better or on par with SmackDown 2 or No Mercy, but with what we got, it truly was a let down. But the details tho that they did add, I’ll give major points to. Regardless tho, I hope to try this trilogy one day tho, as my twin cousins had an Xbox growing up, and they loved this trilogy, regardless of their flaws, with Raw 2 being their favorite, and one day, they want to relive the nostalgia. One day, one day. Thanks for another fun video, Ian, and I can’t wait for you to cover the rest of this trilogy. Love you and all the DanDans, and I’ll see you next time.😊❤️
"How was it released" is a great question. Definitely a "put it out, it'll sell, we'll just start working on RAW 2." Not very consumer friendly, lol
I remember buying this back in the day, but I was just about to hit a phase of not gaming much, so I probably got 10 minutes of play time outta it. God I wish I had kept all the old gaming stuff I used to have🤦🤦
NOT the game you want to come back from a break, hahahaha
I had Raw 2 when it came out. I only remember 2 things about it… Goldberg was on the cover, and you could use custom music for entrances
Killin it as always Ian
Visuals still to this day are beautiful I love the arena atmosphere. I just wish the game had the smackfown type gameplay to go along with raws superior visuals and it would have been am absolute classic
Im happy i just rented it from blockbuster and was able to take it back. I honestly felt stupid because i was searching for more features and found there just isnt any 🤣
I totally remember this game with a story mode where me and my friends could sabotage each other to lower each other's stamina. Weird, now I gotta find what game that was
I remember watchmh the reveal to this and once I played it I was like omg😑 one thing I always loved is how you can attack opponents during their entrances! That feature alone was amazing man.
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Thank you so much for you're work man. When I have the money I'll definitely donate to patron. You're videos get me through some hard times and you deserve props for the quality of your work. Much love man.
Ian I assume that you realized this (i would be scared if you don’t) but your incredibly close to 100k, and I just wanna say congratulations. I’ve watched since 2018 or 2019, and since then long from content has been my favourite and that’s inspired me to play long form mortal kombat videos
Thanks man. Yea I'm aware, I've been hoping to hit 100,000 for like 4 years now! Hahahaha. Really exciting, really exciting. Thanks for sticking around.
@@616Entertainment no problem man
My bother had the Xbox at this time and we were big wrestling game fans at the time...I had the PS1 and PS2 with the Smackdown series, and he had the N64 prior with all the legends there so this was a no brainer to play when it came out and we just....laughed. We couldn't stop giggling playing this game at how atrocious everything was. You gave a lot of positives to the presentation, but I still remember something we laughed at was how they walked in this game, it still looks weird to me. I put it down pretty quick, I think he played it a lot more than I did...but yeah this wasn't something I stuck too for very long.
Though not amazing per day, RAW 2 had some great features. Custom entrance music, custom entrance lighting, ability to edit wrestler attire, finishers from every grapple position
Never played this one back in the day, I have it now because I collect for the OG Xbox and I will have to play it some day. RAW 2 I have played a lot at one point and it is good actually.
Next episode!
I actually had this one on PC, before i was able to play the other better ones on PS2 as they weren't as easy to find in stores where I lived.
Despite beign absurdly basic, so were many other games back then so it didnt feel so crap .. i had hours upon hours of fun, being it from making my own wrestlers. making real wrestlers that were not in the game , Messing with entrances, creating 2d characters with how absurdly flexible the CAW was.
And then, the collect a thon aspeck with items across matches was a cool thing to have and compare with your friends that had found different things.
More retrospective videos please love the triangle x squared o series, keep up the amazing work Ian, proud of you
I might be late to the party on this, but congrats on reaching 100k subs brotha 👍🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🥳🥳🥳🥳
Thanks man. I haven't said anything about it publicly just yet, I kinda want to wait until I can get the silver plaque and make a video about it. I'm not sure, we'll see!
I am convinced that if you were to meet Dominique Othenin-Girard on the street you would kick him in the nuts lol but seriously though great video
I wouldn't give him the satisfaction of letting him know that I recognized him.
Congratulations on the 100k subs. I told you it happen. Also before June 16th ? It was meant to be! 🙏
I went from WWF No Mercy to this game. This was the first time I got bamboozled (and not my last).
Anyways, great job on this retrospective, Ian.
Btw, I hold a speedrun record for this game (IC title mode). lol
I think the biggest thing I remember this game for is that you could still copy music onto your Xbox and use them for your created wrestlers. Haven’t seen that since
That’s RAW 2, and I’ll talk about that next time. =)
Great review for anyone unfamiliar with that era. I only played the XBox version with friends as I was always a Playstation guy but much like you I got a $5 copy for the PC. Unlike you however I had no issue getting a PC controller to work with the game & had no major input delay. Might have been a hardware issue? This game is gorgeous, I'm still waiting for another wrestling game to allow you to put on hats/glasses during a match! Attacking a guy like Rikishi during his entrance & putting on his glasses was so innovative
Congrats on 100K Subs!
HHH wasn't the only character in that game that got shafted face-wise. Chris Benoit did as well. I thought I had heard/read somewhere that could have been Road Dogg's face on HHH.
Also, I forget which title it was but Fred Durst was unlockable like he was on SD: Just Bring It.
I spent more time messing around in Create a Wrestler mode than I did trying to figure out how not to get my butt kicked every single match.
You’re probably thinking of Fight Club in regards to the Fred Durst thing.
Holy shit that did look like road dogg.
This game looked amazing from the images in GameMaster magazine... but that was it.
I always liked the variety of weapons in this game, like how there was all kinds of random stuff like a stuffed dog. The fact you could wear other people's gear too was fun.
I also would spend a long time reading the bio's and listening the the entrance songs/titantron videos in the gallery mode.
Hoooooooly shit dude I totally forgot about Toy Fighter lol. Memory unlocked.
Great video as usual! Looking forward to the next two games from the "WWE XBox Trilogy" of exclusive wrestling games.
I played this back when it came out and yea, it was not bad and the presentation was there. But it was just really shallow compared to the other wrestling games back in that era. Makes me wish Yuke's made games for XBox so they could have either ported over the Smackdown games or make it's own series like they did on Gamecube. But I theorize that because the XBox was such a huge flop in Japan that they didn't bother developing for it. That was before the XBox360 era of course.
Just waiting on the p.o box for the money order for ya Patreon buddy 😂😂
I remember I'd always had ps2 until about 2006 when I got an xbox and either this game or wrestlemania and it was terrible. I love these videos man thank you.
the thing you forgot to put out there and this was my experience. when you go to the CAW mode. the height was insane. 8 foot 11 was the maximum height
I’ve never really though about it…but after 40 years of playing any wrestling game that crossed my path I really do think I have the best memories of Saturday night slam masters or wcw vs nwo.
damn so close to 100k man early congrats brotha
Congratulations on 100K
"it's like we're wrestling on the moon" hahahahhaahaha 😂 exactly that
It really is!
Pretty sure the biggest selling point of this game was you could use music off the xbox harddrive in custom entrances.
I remember when this game came out I would see the commercial and I thought it looked amazing I wanted it so badly but I didn't have an Xbox. You look like he was going to be the best game in the world, then the game came out and I never heard anything about it again.
Love you Ian, your podcast and RUclips keep me entertained during the week at work!!!! Look forward to every Wednesday! Keep up the awesome content!!! Love you and the artist and Terra and Nigel!!!!
Also best wishes to Patches!!!!
Thanks for the support, man. I appreciate it. Plenty more to come. I’ll let everyone know you’re putting them over. =)
Excellent retrospective, very funny and entertaining and you pace your videos so well. The presentation on this is the stuff quality... And then the bell rang.
By the way, Haku was also in WWE 2K16 as part of Stone Cold's showcase, only because he was one of the final few in the 2001 Royal Rumble. Good enough excuse to get that badass back in a game right?
The dig at Halloween 5 popped me 😂
The worst of the worst.
Great video. Congrats on the 100k
Almost 100K subs (again) Ian! This time for good!
I remember flipping through Electronic Gaming Monthly in the summer of 2001, eagerly anticipating the release of the Gamecube. However, in that issue there were the first screenshots of WWF RAW on Xbox and i flipped out at how good it looked, I mean it still looks pretty damn good 22 years later. Now I still decided to go Gamecube at launch and I still think that was the way better choice, but RAW was still something I had to play as a big wrestling fan. I remember doing a PS2/XBox swap with my neighbor for a month and the first game I went to go rent was RAW. It was a terrible game that looked amazing. The only great memory I have of playing the game is with my friend Curtis, all night, after creating a stupid looking middle aged version of Fat Albert and attempting to win the WWF title. For some reason that hilarity sticks with me, and these clips of the game brought it flooding back.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha that's amazing.
I grew up playing the smackdown games at my buddies house. I had an Xbox. So when this game came out I was pumped… until I played it. Lol
“that’s not triple h or double h, at best we’re looking at single h” 😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just one H. A lone H.
I remember the first time I played Raw, the graphics looked so frickin amazing compared to what I was used to. Played a little sluggish, but it was a different game than Smackdown
Oh man! The only game that can let you play as legendary stable, X-Factor, out of the (X)box!
Just like you, Ian, I was and always will be a PlayStation Guy. That being said, I remember watching the commercials back in the day. The game looked so realistic. It looked impressive. I was surprised when I heard all the backlash and how disappointing the game was.
I loved how they had RAW for Xbox and Smackdown for Playstation. It made the original brand split feel little more real.
Therefore, we all know which brand won. Lol
@@zoltanwilson4277 Smackdown all day 😆 I love those games. Still play them time to time.
@@DebitAdams Yup, same here.
My best memory with this game is being a young boy and watching Trish Stratus's entrance video again and again and again and again............
Hahahahahaha
I cannot wait for you to get to RAW 2. I logged over 1000 hours just in the CAS alone. And the level of customization in the entrances is going to blow your fucking mind. Combined with custom soundtracks - nothing has compared since.
The customization is a high point indeed. The game itself, to me, isn't as amazing as some of these comments make it out to be. But we'll get there, we'll get there.