I’m disappointed, I’ll admit. - Luther mentions Sloane maybe twice. He isn’t shown looking for her or mourning - just his usual, cheerful self. - Why couldn’t Viktor just take everyone’s marigold and sacrifice himself? Then only one person has to die instead of everyone. Or Five could’ve gone back in time and stop Ben from ever giving everyone else the marigold, that way the cleanse never would’ve even happened. - So….Diego and Five just die hating each other? With no resolution whatsoever to the love triangle? - Has Klaus just forgotten three seasons of character development or something? - Why did Ray leave? Did the actor just not want to come back for another season? - Weren’t there supposed to be two versions of Ben in that timeline? Why tease it, then not use it? - Also, way to totally waste Ben all season - According to the final shot, there’s still marigold in the world somehow anyway, so in theory, it’ll just start again? Either that, or it’s symbolic, which imo is naff. - so if Claire and the other kids still exist, but Alison, Diego, and Lila never existed, then how does that not create a paradox? - 6 episodes? Seriously?? - Rushed ass season I will concede that Luther in a thong was hilarious, but that’s it.
Wait, I thought in that specific timeline, not a single person has superpowers. The marigold they drank came by some force of luck so outside the 7 and Lila, no one else in that timeline had marigold
The only way it makes a little sense is if reg never released the marigold in this timeline, which doesn't make sense because Abigail says in the last episode that reg did exactly that. But if it was the case that this timeline didn't have marigold, and the marigold the umbrella academy got was an artifact from another timeline, it would make sense that in this timeline only the umbrella academy has marigold. But tbh, they could have at least tried to get rid of the marigold inside them since they've already done that before.
@readatho1904 except they weren't the sparrows alt universe family had it and they hopped into universe with the Phoenix academy as well they all had powers for the same reason
100% agree with you. They could have done so much with this season to end it on a good note and yet they wasted so much potential. What a way to disappoint an entire fandom
Tell me how 5, a trained assassin who spent YEARS watching his surrounding and not trusting anyone, he was able to work under a death cultist for years without a hint of danger while Luther sniffs it out in under an hour? AND Ben was able to slip the jar of Marigolds away from him unnoticed? 5 would have clocked that for sure. Plot device for sure.
Another plot hole is that Klaus was able to talk to Ben whenever he wanted so why would Ben not mention what Reginald did to him and Jennifer all those years ago. That entire twist falls apart simply because Klaus exists and should have warned his siblings that their dad was willing to betray them.
@@entropy22 And Klaus memories were erased so it kinda makes sense, but tbh I don´t think the writers thought of that. They probably just forgot and it kinda works I guess.
Remember the jokes about how fat diego has gotten only for them to literally show him shirtless and absolutely RIPPED in a fight with the Cia??? Stupid. The way luther turned ape again when originally his powers were available to him while looking human and its a vaccine that turned him into an ape. No reason to bring his ape form back. Just the powers. Also what happened to him and his search for the girl he liked last season??? Theres no reason a several million dollar series should have this many plot holes.
Ugh sloane Luther mentions sloane a couple of times but nothing even happened He kept going on an on about "sloane would love this" "me and sloane would have killed for this" But nothing came of it :/
There was a lot of conveniences, plot holes, repetitive story beats. I looked past most of it because I like the tone of the show, but I was surprised by how rushed it got and unsure why they crammed it all in 6 episodes. Pretty disappointed on the post single timeline ending, pretty bland. I would of liked to know how the girl ended up in a giant squid. Thought it was kinda goofy on how Diego had some bullet controlling powers used once. Clause flew once. Teleporting kid get’s his original teleporting powers when the moment needed it. And ya, like you said Diego not fat just like that. That’s all I can name top of my head.
Yeah. I think they realized everyone liked them too much and wanted to give them the back seat. Unfortunately Viktor, new Ben, and Allison are just not great characters.
@@ryankuhn1553 EXACTLY. The amount of things they ruined is baffling. Never liked Viktor, Allison, or Ben and I had more faith in the other family members too. The writing was so empty and sex added nothing but perversion. I hated how explicit this season felt as opposed to the others. It was just so faked and out of character. Also, Gene and Jean deserved more screentime and should've done more...especially put up against chi-chi and cha-cha... they were awesome.
I actually really liked Viktors characterization in the first episode. Everything they did with him afterwards felt like a nothing burger. His argument about his powers felt petty since there was no build up to it and there was no exploration of how it effected him after the fact. I loved his acting even still, but yay what he went through didn’t really feel like an arc.
questions that I need to be answered by the writers: why did Ray leave? Where is Sloane? What are Diego’s twin’s names and why do they not seem to matter lol? What were the writers thinking when they put Lila and Five together? Why didn’t Viktor absorb all their marigold and sacrifice himself? What was the point of them dying to erase marigold if they just came back as marigold flowers? Did umbrella Ben know he got shot by Reggie because you’d think he’d be fuming during the dinner season in s2. When the siblings saw Ben get shot why did they allow themselves to get brainwashed (because they would’ve had to sit in the machine right?) and also I felt like if Viktor can blow up the moon he could kill bennifer. here’s some more, why did Luther get his ape body back after ingesting marigold? Why was Jennifer in a squid and how was that relevant? Season three end credits? Why was there a timeline train station? Literally any explanation to Five creating the commission.
As much as i love lila and diego and i was SCREAMING when lila and five happened Lila and Five do make sense (hear me out) They were there for 7 YEARS And Lila even said it was for survival or something along those lines Lila went to go back the MOMENT five told her/showed her how to get back It COULD have worked It creates tension between diego, lila, five But it was just WAY too rushed It wasn't even 10 episodes! Also diego asking lila is she loves five and her not being able to answer was kinda ugh Like a "no" or an "i don't know" would have been great It would have showed lila's true feelings And makes five going back to the train and remeniscing more impactful
@@wizardkumaanimations9984 I think my main problem was that it seemed like the only reason Lila and Five got stuck together for so long was so that the writers could put them together to create relationship drama. Them getting stuck contributes nothing else to the plot. Like, Lila and Diego spent two seasons working out their relationship and then Five and Lila get a brief montage- it’s just disrespectful to the characters and their arcs.
If I were to describe this season in one word, I would use "Underwhelming." It was a step above Season 3, but part of it felt rushed. I felt that Klaus was underutilised, and that we never got to see the full potential of his powers. Luther never even mentions Sloane once, despite him vowing to find her in the Season 3 cliffhanger, everyone just instantly forgives Allison for her betrayal, and there were fat jokes aimed at Diego, when he looks the exact same as he always did. But the biggest disappointment would be Five and Lila's arc. It felt really out of character to betray his brother by kissing his wife. I know that they were stranded alone together for half a decade, but I preferred their playful platonic banter. Besides, Five was in the body of a teenager when Lila first met him, and she's half his mental age. Viktor had the best arc, and I enjoyed his interactions with Reginald.
Im not sure if this season was better than season 3. In my opinion this season just left so many things from past seasons unanswered while also adding more questions. Because of this it felt honestly kind of hollow!
@@not-so-happypappypatton thnx for letting me know! I must have missed than when I was watching it. That makes more sense but I am still quite sad about her not showing up again. If sparrow ben was there then why couldnt she be there!
I know you said he doesnt mention sloane but he did a few times, one when diego was having the bday party and the other was when he was looking at the lights in the store
This right here, this hurt my soul so much. Every other season was so much fun but this felt rushed and cheap. I don't know if it was Netflix or a directing or writing thing because my god did someone drop the ball. There are too many stories crammed into 6 hours that should be told over 10. What did the klaus story contribute to the overall story or the CIA story (granted the Luther and Diego fight was fun). Why did 5 and Lila have to become a thing, why was Diego treated like shit. Why did it feel like there were no ramifications from season 3, where the hell did Sloane go??? Did Jennifer's actress say I'm out in episode 5, girl just dissappeard. This really broke my heart because the creative team truley is talented and they have shown it and there really is a good story told in here somewhere but so many directions and questions that make no sense. Cast is always great and will still be one of my favorite shows.
Yeah I really loved their friendship relationship. They felt much more like brother and sister than lovers. I really didn't like that, they should have kept the relationship as it was and not rry to force in something else
Sad that they tried to paint Lila and five's homewrecking as "okay" or "justified". Their irl age gap is already weird enough... this just was so gross.
So true they did so dirty to Diego and Luther. Diego was treated like shit for all the seasons, but at least he had a story line in the previous seasons. As for Luther...they did him so dirty, almost like Thor in Love and Thunder. Instead of showing him why he is the number 1 and the leader, he was made a stupid dumb charecter with no plot and charecter development....
My problem with the Lila/Five story isn't even the fact that they kissed, because I find it somewhat plausible that after so many years in survival mode and not knowing if you'll ever find the way back home, people can get very lonely and find solace in each other. Intimacy can be a way of escapism. However, the storyline doesn't add ANYTHING to the plot! Lila and Five don't discover anything interesting in those years, like a way to stop the apocalypse, they don't interact much with the other timelines, they don't meet an interesting new character - nothing. If you remove the storyline, nothing changes. There is already tension between Lila and Diego, the love triangle doesn't add much to it. I really don't understand why the storyline exists. Maybe the idea was to show the loneliness of Five and that he's craving love and connection - but we already knew that because of Dolores.
Not the final season but instead the ending... it was so bad and so sad I didn't like hoe they wrote I and there last words weren't even I love u that just doesn't sit right with me :/
In my opinion i think the show would be better off without this season. It started off good and i was enjoying seeing all the characters live their domestic lives but as each episode passed all my expectations that were set from the past seasons just continued to be let down. What happened to Sloane and why doesn’t Luther mention her ONCE. Where is the long awaited origin story for Mr. Reginald and his wife? Season 4 lacked the TCU charm imo. Felt like it lacked emotion and the ending didn’t have any sentimental value. Literally was just five going “ok so we have to all die now” and everyone was like ok with almost no haste and no last minute heart to heart reconciliation? One of the worst moments was for sure the end scene with the suburban utopia. Very cheesy and very out of character for the whole show.
I also want to add that I think many other possibilities for the ending were left open but unexplored. They were all able to remove their marigold before, maybe they could of done it again? Could Viktor have taken all of their Marigold in a noble sacrifice ? The end overall was very confusing, though I may be overlooking things. Screw Ben tho 😂 I wonder what would of happened if he didnt spike their drinks
Actually, Luther does mention Sloan. Literally ONCE. He tells Diego "you have someone so many people would want, I know Sloan and I sure would have." He might have said she would have liked the Truman Show town too.
@@ryankuhn1553 They don't really delve into what actually happened between them and just leave it ambiguous . I thought they were going to revisit at a later time but guess not
Yeah I hated the ending of why everyone was jhst in the same place together enjoying a picnic 😅. They could have certainly expanded it and done so much more episodes. They also never explained to the nee reg how they got their powers back which he seemed keen to know and didn't really explain where it actually came from. Where the marigold actually came from. We know it's from Abigail but where does she get it, does she make it and if so why isn't there another version of the umbrella academy here with marigold
The reduced episode count definitely harmed the overall season, I think with the 3-4h of missing episode time they could have fixed a lot of issues with the story. It felt like every character was underused, and rather than doing 2-3 really good story arks, they tried to do 4-5 which all felt very underwhelming. The time jump felt like a rehash of s2 only it didn't add anything significant to the story, the families felt hollow and I didn't feel anything when they were saved. The relationship between Five and Lila felt forced and was just there to give them something to do. I liked the cross-timeline train, however, the lack of explanation about who built it, how it works, or even why it exists was frustrating. The Commission was mysterious but we still got explanations to the how, and why it existed. The lack of payoff to any of the previous seasons cliffhangers was disappointing. Overall the final season was a disappointment and you can really feel the animosity Netflix had during its final run by slashing the episode count and budget. It feels like it's being pushed out the door and told to leave early, leaving everyone disappointed knowing it could have been so much better if given the chance.
I definitely agree with this. Five ambiguously said his link to the subway to be due to Ben creating a marigold mix but it seemed that the train was the main reason he was able to save the day so why wasn't he even able to reach there. I really don't like the fact that they didn't explain this. Plus who's notes did Five find in the subway later on when he was trapped. He said it was his writing but how exactly was that possible. I know we got to see many fives later on, but I can only assume that all these fives also got the same help from the mysterious note in fives writing. However, since the other Five said some fives didn't get the train system, I presume they didn't get the note, so how exactly did they end up in the station as bartenders and with Jobs.
@@justme9593it was some other Five’s note. There are multiple universes and Fives travel on that same subway. More interesting question is why Five and Laila never met another Five in 7 YEARS!!
The Lila and Five romance was weird but I believe that if they were stuck in the station longer and we got to see more of their time there it may have made more sense
It's so weird especially because of the age gap between the actors 😬 Five was a teenager when Lila was brought into the story... this needs to be shamed.
It's an unnecessary plot. Remove the stuck in the station scene. That gross relationship won't happen. Curse the writer. They didn't do justice to the characters. This is the final, yet he ruined in all.
So disappointing. I so agreed with your comments here Austin. This season didn't care much about Klaus, maybe Robert didn't care much about this waste of time season either. What the heck was the love interest between 5 and Leila about? So unnecessary.
@@_purejoy_ 2019, but they did their own thing with the Oblivion storyline in season 3, the hotel in the comic was in an alternate dimension and was a prison for all the villain they stopped as kids
There were just so many points where I was like, WHAT?! WHY?! That makes no sense?! Spoilers Why did Layla get laser eyes, then later on could randomly get other people’s abilities again. Why did Luther get his ape body back when it wasn’t the marigold that did that, and why can he block bullets, but then gets knocked out by a car crash just as easily as everyone else? Why did Klaus randomly fly at the end? Why did he get Quinn to shoot him for no reason? Why can 5 time travel perfectly suddenly, and why can’t he teleport regularly when he can time travel so well? Why don’t the other 5s at the end come to the same conclusion as our 5? Why does Reginald’s wife give the umbrella academy the Marigold when she knew it would split the timelines? And if she didn’t know the cleans would fix the timelines, then is her reason really “she felt bad for killing her home planet, so she felt she had to pay by getting killed in the process of destroying another planet?” Why would the cleans fix Earth but destroy their home world in the first place?
-why Claus went to that alley only to get kidnapped?? Feels like writters had no plot for him - why Victor powers are yellow now and look like fire when it was always blue and sound related? -why Allison doesnt have yo say rumor has it anymore? -what was all Diego and Luther subplot in CIA? Its like they didnt know what to do with them (like with Claus) - how come Lila throws green beams? I thought she only copy power of others - why their father asked ben to go on a mission to save the girl of he knew they were not suppose to touch? - how come five and lila never met another five in 7 years they were stuck??? - why lila is so sad and emotional about her kids in finale scenes when she didnt care for them when she was stuck 7 years with Five?? - wasnt there another Ben in season 3 post credits?
they did not explain why allison's powers disappeared when in the season 3 she was not in that machine to extract the marigold in her body, and why did her power turn from mind controlling to telekinesis? wtf
i was wondering the same thing maybe reginald put in the new timeline that none if them will have powers. bc luther was alive at the end of season 3 even tho he died so maybe theres just certain decisions he made for the new timeline that just werent explained at all? honestly i think reginald and his wife have a lot more to do with things being the way they are than the show led on.
Why did Layla get laser eyes, then later on could randomly get other people’s abilities again. And why did Luther get his ape body back when it wasn’t the marigold that did that? Why did Klaus randomly fly at the end? Why did he get Quinn to shoot him for no reason? Why can 5 time travel perfectly suddenly, and why can’t he teleport regularly when he can time travel so well? Why don’t the other 5s at the end come to the same conclusion as our 5? Why can Luther block bullets, but then gets knocked out by a car crash just as easily as everyone else? There were just so many points where I was like, WHAT?! WHY?! That makes no sense?!
@@SemmeralddynamicsBaammy Oh, I suppose that makes some sense, but it really felt like they just wanted him to get captured by Quinn and they didn't really know how to execute it. Also, why is Klaus so upset with getting his powers back, I thought he got over his fear of them in season 3? He was disappointed when he learned he wasn't immortal any more at the end of season 3, and he was super afraid of dying at the start of season 4. If anyone, I would imagine Klaus to be the one to want his powers back.
This season was disappointing. I was expecting a lot from these characters. Klaus first, he discovered more of his power’s potential in S3 but that’s just that. They didnt give more screentime for this it had a lot of potential. Also, why isn’t Luther devastated that sloan isn’t around? How come ray and allison didn’t work out? How come claire wasn’t surprised about her mom’s powers? Lila and Five could have given more action and not just sitting around. Also, how did they not just care about ben and jennifer when they already heard the worst and viktor was the only one chasing a lead? Klaus’ gang scene was a waste of time. He had his power back he already managed to be good at handling his powers before so why did he became a coward again????? I wish we could’ve seen more power from the characters at great execution but what we got were unnecessary scenes that could’ve been used for something great because it only had 6episodes.
I feel the exact same way and you do. This season had a lot of potential and it started strong. Unfortunately, they had too many loose ends in the end. The actual end wasn’t bad, just too short and not enough questions answered
The biggest plot hole is the math. 43 babies were born in 1989. The Umbrella Academy adopted 7. That leaves 37. In this final season Five said ALL the marigold has to be gone! So when our 7 major changes die, everything is fine? What about the 37 left? 🤔
i honestly think if Sloane was still there at the end of season 3, that would’ve been a perfectly fine ending to the show. i mean the counsel of fives were right, it’s because of their powers that all these apocalypses started, but they take them away at the end, so why not let the characters live their lives by the end.
Full of flaws 1- in the first season they said 43 kids were born this way so how come only the 8 eracing is enough to end the cleanse !!! Still mery gold is there in the others 2- how can their kids exist 3- who told them the kids will reach the real reiality not another parralel universe that will be eraced 4- why did the handler survive 5- wtf is that ridiclous five and leyla affair pointless ? 6- they finally explain the sudden birth of these kids in a sec?!! Totally dissapointing i really would petition a remake
The five and lila affair could have worked IT WAS JUST WAY TOO RUSHED Like not even 10 episodes It was pointless because nothing came of it We got a MINISCULE amount of scenes with diego and lila after diego found out that it wasn't even worth it, not even close
@wizardkumaanimations9984 Yeah, it could've worked if they did something like Diego understanding that the spark between him and Lila was gone, and Five was a better fit for her, but that wouldn't have made sense anyway, because of character development.
Personally I did like certain aspects of this season but overall I was disappointed, I didn’t really have that much fun nor was I really that invested in this season sadly. Even though season 3 was ok I still had fun with it but I didn’t feel that with season 4. Love your review!
This has to be the most heartbreaking ending I could have ever imagined. Not because all the Hargreeves and the Umbrella Academy Universe ceased to exist in the end, but because the arcs of the characters I've grown so attached to these past 5+ years ended so unjustly and abruptly. All the subplots felt so useless. Five & Lila, Diego & Luther in the CIA building, Diego & Lila's family, Klaus' entire subplot, Alison & Claire's bickering? None of these scenes added anything to the main storyline, (minus Luther finding out the CIA was part of the Keepers) and any air time used on them were precious minutes wasted that could have gone to more plot development. Why the hell were none of them were worried about Ben being a literal ticking time bomb??? So many questions that I've already seen shared in these comments, but to echo the few that bothered me the most: Why did Ray leave Alison? Why was Luther not mourning Sloane whatsoever? When I saw him living in the condemned Hargreves mansion, I was so sure he was out there being miserable without her. But nope, he was as cheery as ever. Why could Five ONLY blink to the subway station? Who built it, and why was that a limitation to his ability? Why didn't he question it? Why did a version of himself leave that notebook in the subway station? Why did he never question that either? How did Jennifer get stuck in a SQUID? How did she know about The Cleanse? Theoretically, in this timeline, the Ben without powers should have been alive. Where was he?? Ben said it himself, him and Jennifer must have been connected, with her being found in a squid and his tentacles, why was this never explored? Why were all the Hargreeves so on-board about offing themselves to save the world, why would Diego even trust Five after he slept with his wife? Everything felt so shallow and rushed. I have a personal theory that the directors and writers did not plan on having only 6 episodes this season, but were condensed and rushed by Netflix. There are just too many missing pieces to this story. The true potential of this season could not shine under these constraints. This series deserved a 15-episode ending, not 6.
I had a ton of fun with this season. As soon as I saw that it was only going to be six episodes, I knew that it wasn't going to do the story justice, so I just enjoyed the chaos. With the recent writer's strike, it makes sense that this show was just another one that took a serious hit to its quality. I still had lots of fun, but man am i sad about what we missed out on.
Yeah the kids still existing didnt make any sense. Didn't they explain this with the grandfather paradox? 😂 Now if they explained it as remaining family got out of that subway into the one and only timeline with no memories of what happened before getting on the subway, maybe I could live with that.
I still wouldn't like that because all other timeliness are a break from the original one. So when they eventually saved the day, the timeliness should have gone back to just one meaning that those kids would never have existed if the umbrella academy didn't exist in this timeline
There is no way Five and Lila could send them to sacred timeline because it did not became sacred until all of them died and multiverse disappeared. So chances are doesnt matter on which station their family exit the subway, that timelines disappeared.
If ya’ll didn’t share your Netflix account, They would’ve the money to run more episodes to explain plotholes. That’s what we get for cheaping out Netflix subscription. This will be the future of production for streaming, rushed series/films to save money with production
I’m really tired of streaming services doing these short episode seasons and trying to make it normal. They’ll say that 6 episodes is all the story called for but this final season definitely needed 10. It all has to do with them trying to pay the actors less and I’m not feeling it
They did get the merigold from a guy that we later learned to be Reginald's wife in disguise, which makes them conveniently getting their powerrs back to appear more calculated than random.
I absolutely hated it. So many plotholes that make the climax make no sense, all the characters except maybe Viktor had reverse character growth, most of the characters barely did anything related to the main conflict, Ben basically didn't interact with any of them the whole season again, Jennifer did not need to exist at all, forced bad comedy everywhere, everything is goofy, nothing is serious ever, characters like Luther, don't react to anything naturally or have emotions, he's just a bad joke machine. It was so shockingly bad.
When I saw the flowers growing it made me think, Well great they did this for nothing. Something is gonna eat those and the world is gonna end again for good this time.
Totally disappointed Five didn’t seem like Five I mean it had been six years but what the hell was he doing in the CIA he had no background Klause was a dowern seemed like a baby
Mannnnn, I'm so disappointed in this season. They took the easy way out with the story and they cut it down to 6 episodes instead of the usual 10. And Luther was way too goofy this season. It was comical at times but it was kinda over the top. And the whole thing between Five and Lila was so cringe. That's not in Fives nature to do something like that. Especially to his brother.
Let's be real. This show could have been as big as stranger things but netflix took a semi dumb and goofy approach to it which limited the success of this show to some extent and even allowed the writers (ofc crapy netflix writers) to write absolute bs because the show will be seen in in any case. It ended very poorly, which makes it an ultimate disappointment judging by how good the source material is and what could have been made with creative minds. Pure example of something good coming out of trash source material is The Boys whose comics are so bad yet the show turned out great so there is no excuse to what netflix did with TUA. Basically, blame netflix and its terrible writters .
Anyone gonna mention they teased two bens in the hargreeves timeline and that train Ben just never returned There was also no explanation to some of their new abilities, Five and Viktor had colour changes, Lila had laser eyes? Luther was bullet proof, Allison is just full on psychic and apparently Diego can now manipulate more than metal in the air
The final season was okay not my favorite season but the end it was a little emotional but it feels like it was something missing I also didn't really like the five and Lila storyline either I feel like we should have had 10 episodes instead of 6 so we can have more times with the characters still
I'm not disappointed .....more "sono incazzatissimo" !!! Waist my time, son of ...! I was so exciting to watch season 4...but nothing, only confusion and things without sense or explanations. I agree 100% with you Austin, thank you👌
While watching the first two episodes... I noticed how uninterested and completely not engaged I was. The writers either didn't care or were forced by executives to end it. Feels like someone forced the writers to take their creation and shoot it in the back of the head. Was this worth it? Feels like they decided to literally murder this show because they wanted it to end quickly. If this is how Netflix treats their shows how can we trust them to invest our time and engagement in their future projects?
They should have given us 10 episodes. The first one should have been about this timeline's Reginald Hargreaves and his wife Abigail. How they live how they came to Earth... Excetra... The 2nd one should have delt with the umbrellas first few days without their powers. Maybe have Alison or someone seek out their father. The third one should have been a time jump to when the birthday party happens and when Victor got kidnapped. The Fourth one they get their powers back and played out much like it did in the actual episode. The fifth episode should have delt with the team going to rescue Jennifer. Much how it did. The 6th episode should have been about Jenifer and her back story. Showing her in other timelines merging with the other children with the marigold inside them and destroying those timelines. The 7th episode should have involve Luther Klause and Diago learning about the keepers at the CIA. The 8th episode showing Lila and Five on the Subway getting lost and being ambushed over and over by different versions of Five were they actually see the cleanse monster in the last few minutes. The 9th episode should have been about ben and Jennifer becoming said monster and everyone meeting up at the Hargreaves mansion to form a plan. Then the last episode should have been the sacrifice that played out the way it did. I would have been happy with that format for sure. Leave out the five and Lila love story. And have a bit more information on what exactly Abigail and Reginald were as a species.
The kids continued to exist even when their parents disappeared because they were smuggled into the subway, i.e. out of the timeline while it was being reset for the final time.
Omg I’m so disappointed it felt like a punch to the gut!!! The whole time I kept thinking okay they will release 6 more episodes in a couple weeks. At the end when they joined in a circle I thought they were gonna jump somewhere else
Five and Lila romancing could’ve been removed to tell other important aspect of story…. Jen and Ben could’ve been told better, it can stay but it obviously felt rushed. The only storyline I really liked was Viktor storyline. I wish the keepers had more threatening impact to the story
If all the marigold was collected at the end of season 3, why didn't Abigail take it directly to Jennifer to start the Cleanse and reset the timeline? She didn't have to sneak it to the siblings, none of the odd side stories were necessary (or enjoyable), and the season could have been wrapped up in about 20 minutes.
personally i liked it, but they did try to the trope that never really works. the trope where you go back in time make none of it ever happen. a ton of stories try to do it, majority of them fail.
I liked it too. I was shocked when I was on episode 3 then relaised there were only three left. I was expecting the usual run time. Flaws here and there. Some characters were really left in the background, Luther and Klaus. Klaus plot didn't come out the way I expected cause he was one of their best characters. Despite a few questionable decisions, I generally enjoyed it. Endings are hard
As someone who loved season 1, thought season 2 was okay, and dropped a few episodes into season 3, even I've gotta say I felt some emotions when you talked about the ending. Loved the characters and the actors portraying them, just wish the story was more to my liking.
Their kids exist because they were in the subway. They were kept outside the timeline, so they weren't erased, but the memories of Diego, Lila and Allison were.
I love the story I truly do but I'm really let down, the credits made me feel better seeing the pictures of the cast I was kinda hoping that season 4 would have a part 1 of the season and then later drop a part 2 to really tie the rest of the story together for closer, like the children, the original timeline and other things we probably won't get answers for
Like why would the writers ignore the Ben subway scene from the season 3 post credit scene? This was hella rushed and there was a lot of plot holes. Like where was sloane or Allison’s husband?
One of the plot holes was that Sai character seeming more than he lets on. He appears to Ben out of nowhere, and then disappears second's later. While all the while knowing how to get Ben to sense and locate the girl that would help end the world. Was Sai Reg wife?
By episode 2 I already felt something was so wrong that I did not continue. Apparently the feeling was correct. Sadly. Netflix keeps emptying out the pool on their short lived series, but I didn't take the blind dive this time.
Also are we not forgeting that good ben is alived again by the end of season 3 since in the last scene we see good version of ben from the umbrella academy timeline alive in the same trained the day he was born. I was wondering what umbrella ben doing in the new timeline while sparrow ben been in prison. I like to think that Ben might be in the original timeline and only surivior member of the umbrella academy. I like to think that umbrella Ben is only person who remember his sibling sacrifice as he enjoy his life in the original timeline.
Weird thing about the ending. They had to destroy all the marigold right to fix all timelines. I mean, sure. But... Claus didnt drink his initially so that should be on the floor somewhere. And they didnt even use the whole load they had. Kinda strange
I honestly didn’t think I would find a show final episode that less impact on me then the game of thrones disaster it wanted me asking more at the end but how it was set up felt a bit rushed 😢
They should have written Season 3 and 4 in reverse order😢. Season 3: they came back into a different timeline, where the Sparrows exist with a different number one (no Ben). Then in their quest to outdo each other, the umbrellas and the sparrows created the Kugelblitz. They united and Klaus and Sloane got married. They also found out that Regie and his marigold is the source of all this. Regie, revealed his true self, Abbie and everything else to his kids before killing Luther. Regie escaped and went to get Abbie. At the end of the season, they concluded that "The End" is caused because they are together so they escaped the end of the world intentionally and they went into different timelines. Season 4: Sloane is grieving and decided to end her life. In another timeline, Diego became number one and met up with 6 other powered up being which coined after the umbrella academy. Five and Lila got stuck in an endless loop in that train in their quest to find out how to stop it. Occasionally meeting with each other in different timelines. Somewhere along the way, Lila gave birth to her and Diego's daughter and Five was there to help her out. They fell in love. (Altho I abhor the betrayal, this plot is easier to accept than the rush one they put upon us). Five discovered the end can only be stopped if they "cease to exist". Meanwhile in the nether region, Klaus found Sloane, Luther, Ben and other powered up kids who lost their lives. Luther told Ben the truth that their father killed him and Ben revealed that before he died, he met a girl named Jennifer. They concluded that Jennifer has something to do with this. Alison went back to the timeline where she had Ray. They had a daughter and they named it after Claire. She's working in the same beauty salon and have also met other powerful children. In that timeline, she found out that there is a cabal of alien beings and that their father is one of them. In the active timeline, Reggie and Abbie kept Jennifer in prison as that is the only way they could survive. They need to make sure that the Marigolds and Jennifer do not mix. Diego was the only one who made it to the active timeline and inevitably became number one. He formed a group with other powered up kids and he patterend it after the umbrella academy. He is actively fighting an evil Regie and has found out about Jennifer. Viktor is living a solitary life as a bar tender free of the others. Meanwhile, 5, in his quest to end " the end" jumped into his siblings timeline. They united... INSERT FAMILY DRAMAS here... Towards the end of the season, they found out that they don't have to die to stop the end. They only have to press the reset button at the hotel Oblivion and the only way to power it up and engage the sigils is to have all of the 43 children's marigold extracted by the machine and for Jennifer' Durango to be used as a counteracting force to stop the power of the Marigolds. Think of it as a push vs pull force to come into a neutral position. As they have met other people like them in their respective timelines, they went back and pulled them in on the truth. So everyone gets into position to the hotel oblivion in the timelines they are in. Klaus with his powers brought the dead back to the living to get the marigolds from their bodies extracted and the machine was powered up. Then it ended with the beautiful park scene that we get from the last episode of season 4 with each of the living characters living their best lives with their families, not remembering each other with somehow a sense of deja vu of a life they had from distant timelines. The dead looking down from them with a smile on a TV in their idea of heaven
“The world would be better if I had never existed” is not the message that I want when I watch a quirky funny superhero show. Everyone feels that way way sometimes. It is an incredibly common thought, particularly among people who self harm. It is not what I wanted as the final lesson from this story. You can read it as self sacrifice for the greater good, but the danger they are thwarting is their own existence. Would life for other animals be better if no humans had ever existed? Probably yes. But, all of my family and friends are humans. I prefer them to exist.
It was an extremely weak season in my opinion. No real story line or plot, just all over the place the whole time with a lot of holes everywhere. Easy the worst season. 3/10
This is sad. I was hoping they would do so much better this season, specially since it's the last one. But halfway through I knew it was going to be disappointing. Too many pointless subplots with no clear direction. I guess this is what happens when there's not enough source material for multiple seasons. I'm gonna have to give The Umbrella Academy the Dexter treatment and only rewatch the first two seasons lol.
Why did Lila have to die? She wasn’t apart of the original 7. And it’s explained that only the 7 was the problem. Couldn’t she have transferred her marigold and lived?
season 3 was not great. but i really hoped it would end in a good way. This season only had 6 episodes. yet it was so boring and badly paced. the whole season was pointless bc of the ending and the whole show! NOTHING mattered in the end😭 and now they are just gone and have never existed. i have never been more disappointed in my life.
I like the show but when the acting is mid and the writing is all over the place it makes it all feel shit all around and that started in season 3 imo and I feel like people are scared nowadays too say when something is bad just because they like the actors or actresses for example I like Margot Robbie but birds of prey wasn't good.
For me, it was much better than season 3 but not up there with 1&2. Apart from Five/Lila which gave me the ick - my one complaint is that they just couldn't do the story justice in 6 episodes. Would it really have killed Netflix to order 10 episodes? This is one of the reasons people are turning away from the service. They just don't seem to care about shows beyond the first couple of seasons anymore. Makes me glad that their "golden era" shows like Orange Is The New Black and Grace & Frankie got to end properly. They'd both be down to one new 5 minute episode a year by now!
I wasn't emotional at the ending. At that's says a lot. I cry at commercials dude, I cry when I hear two notes of one song cause it makes me remember a good game. And here? I know that those last scene were supposed to be emotional but well, they were not. Like why i should care about Diego's and Lyla's family? I don't even know their kids name! Two out of three kids didn't even have a name! Why i should care about Victors peacefull life in Canada as they only showed one scene of him having a pub? Geez. They massacred this show and it really makes me mad, cause i loved it.
Not only did this season not give us closure on many of the mysteries, ruin all of the characters and mess up the logic of time travel, it also has a major plot hole in that Five convincing the family to erase themselves from existence in one of the timelines should have no effect on the serveral other timelines collapsing. By the logic of the show, the Cleanse should have happened in all timelines simultaneously, no?
I’m disappointed, I’ll admit.
- Luther mentions Sloane maybe twice. He isn’t shown looking for her or mourning - just his usual, cheerful self.
- Why couldn’t Viktor just take everyone’s marigold and sacrifice himself? Then only one person has to die instead of everyone. Or Five could’ve gone back in time and stop Ben from ever giving everyone else the marigold, that way the cleanse never would’ve even happened.
- So….Diego and Five just die hating each other? With no resolution whatsoever to the love triangle?
- Has Klaus just forgotten three seasons of character development or something?
- Why did Ray leave? Did the actor just not want to come back for another season?
- Weren’t there supposed to be two versions of Ben in that timeline? Why tease it, then not use it?
- Also, way to totally waste Ben all season
- According to the final shot, there’s still marigold in the world somehow anyway, so in theory, it’ll just start again? Either that, or it’s symbolic, which imo is naff.
- so if Claire and the other kids still exist, but Alison, Diego, and Lila never existed, then how does that not create a paradox?
- 6 episodes? Seriously??
- Rushed ass season
I will concede that Luther in a thong was hilarious, but that’s it.
This 👆👆 Amen!
is no one going to talk about how the umbrella academy aren’t the only people with merigold inside of them?
Wait, I thought in that specific timeline, not a single person has superpowers. The marigold they drank came by some force of luck so outside the 7 and Lila, no one else in that timeline had marigold
They were the only ones with merigold that had the power to go back and "try" to fix it so its safe to assume the clense destroyed them too
The only way it makes a little sense is if reg never released the marigold in this timeline, which doesn't make sense because Abigail says in the last episode that reg did exactly that. But if it was the case that this timeline didn't have marigold, and the marigold the umbrella academy got was an artifact from another timeline, it would make sense that in this timeline only the umbrella academy has marigold.
But tbh, they could have at least tried to get rid of the marigold inside them since they've already done that before.
@readatho1904 except they weren't the sparrows alt universe family had it and they hopped into universe with the Phoenix academy as well they all had powers for the same reason
Other people don't go in other timelines to mess with the universe
Huge disappointment
Felt like a waste especially how it ended
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100% agree with you. They could have done so much with this season to end it on a good note and yet they wasted so much potential. What a way to disappoint an entire fandom
Tell me how 5, a trained assassin who spent YEARS watching his surrounding and not trusting anyone, he was able to work under a death cultist for years without a hint of danger while Luther sniffs it out in under an hour? AND Ben was able to slip the jar of Marigolds away from him unnoticed? 5 would have clocked that for sure. Plot device for sure.
Agreed! That bothered me immediately
Yea Five should have noticed especially since this Ben was not to be trusted
Sake shouldn't be glowing so I'm pretty sure all of them should have noticed 😂
He was meant to be aware or at least have a hint, He wasn't flabbergasted in both incidents compared to the others
Especially a jar of glowing liquid. Hard to miss.
Another plot hole is that Klaus was able to talk to Ben whenever he wanted so why would Ben not mention what Reginald did to him and Jennifer all those years ago. That entire twist falls apart simply because Klaus exists and should have warned his siblings that their dad was willing to betray them.
Holy shit i just realised that
😮😮😮😮😮😮😮 just finished he show and that just made me remember season 1 2@@barrybhay9338
I guess Ben had no idea he was shot by his father. He probably thought it was one of the bad guys.
@@entropy22 And Klaus memories were erased so it kinda makes sense, but tbh I don´t think the writers thought of that. They probably just forgot and it kinda works I guess.
@@entropy22 I mean, I thought Ben turned to see his father when Jennifer was shot, but maybe I remember wrong.
Remember the jokes about how fat diego has gotten only for them to literally show him shirtless and absolutely RIPPED in a fight with the Cia??? Stupid.
The way luther turned ape again when originally his powers were available to him while looking human and its a vaccine that turned him into an ape. No reason to bring his ape form back. Just the powers.
Also what happened to him and his search for the girl he liked last season???
Theres no reason a several million dollar series should have this many plot holes.
Ugh sloane
Luther mentions sloane a couple of times but nothing even happened
He kept going on an on about
"sloane would love this"
"me and sloane would have killed for this"
But nothing came of it :/
Yes, Diego's dad bod was very poorly handled. 😂
There was a lot of conveniences, plot holes, repetitive story beats. I looked past most of it because I like the tone of the show, but I was surprised by how rushed it got and unsure why they crammed it all in 6 episodes. Pretty disappointed on the post single timeline ending, pretty bland. I would of liked to know how the girl ended up in a giant squid. Thought it was kinda goofy on how Diego had some bullet controlling powers used once. Clause flew once. Teleporting kid get’s his original teleporting powers when the moment needed it. And ya, like you said Diego not fat just like that. That’s all I can name top of my head.
Series started with a bang but ended with a whimper
Writing fan favorite characters (Five & Klaus) poorly was the biggest sin for me 🥲
Yeah. I think they realized everyone liked them too much and wanted to give them the back seat. Unfortunately Viktor, new Ben, and Allison are just not great characters.
@@ryankuhn1553 EXACTLY. The amount of things they ruined is baffling. Never liked Viktor, Allison, or Ben and I had more faith in the other family members too. The writing was so empty and sex added nothing but perversion. I hated how explicit this season felt as opposed to the others. It was just so faked and out of character. Also, Gene and Jean deserved more screentime and should've done more...especially put up against chi-chi and cha-cha... they were awesome.
Omg those characters where done DIABOLICALLY
@@EwitsMario agreed. I forgot the assassins' names from season 1. But I'm sure one of them is not called Chi Chi. XD It's Hazel and Cha Cha, I think.
I actually really liked Viktors characterization in the first episode. Everything they did with him afterwards felt like a nothing burger. His argument about his powers felt petty since there was no build up to it and there was no exploration of how it effected him after the fact. I loved his acting even still, but yay what he went through didn’t really feel like an arc.
questions that I need to be answered by the writers: why did Ray leave? Where is Sloane? What are Diego’s twin’s names and why do they not seem to matter lol? What were the writers thinking when they put Lila and Five together? Why didn’t Viktor absorb all their marigold and sacrifice himself? What was the point of them dying to erase marigold if they just came back as marigold flowers? Did umbrella Ben know he got shot by Reggie because you’d think he’d be fuming during the dinner season in s2. When the siblings saw Ben get shot why did they allow themselves to get brainwashed (because they would’ve had to sit in the machine right?) and also I felt like if Viktor can blow up the moon he could kill bennifer.
here’s some more,
why did Luther get his ape body back after ingesting marigold? Why was Jennifer in a squid and how was that relevant? Season three end credits? Why was there a timeline train station? Literally any explanation to Five creating the commission.
OMG THANK GOD I ASKED GHE SAME QUESTION WHY WAS JENNIFER IN A SQUID I WAS CONFUSED
As much as i love lila and diego and i was SCREAMING when lila and five happened
Lila and Five do make sense (hear me out)
They were there for 7 YEARS
And Lila even said it was for survival or something along those lines
Lila went to go back the MOMENT five told her/showed her how to get back
It COULD have worked
It creates tension between diego, lila, five
But it was just WAY too rushed
It wasn't even 10 episodes!
Also diego asking lila is she loves five and her not being able to answer was kinda ugh
Like a
"no" or an "i don't know" would have been great
It would have showed lila's true feelings
And makes five going back to the train and remeniscing more impactful
You summed this up perfectly👏👏 Exactly my questions too.
@@wizardkumaanimations9984 I think my main problem was that it seemed like the only reason Lila and Five got stuck together for so long was so that the writers could put them together to create relationship drama. Them getting stuck contributes nothing else to the plot.
Like, Lila and Diego spent two seasons working out their relationship and then Five and Lila get a brief montage- it’s just disrespectful to the characters and their arcs.
If I were to describe this season in one word, I would use "Underwhelming." It was a step above Season 3, but part of it felt rushed. I felt that Klaus was underutilised, and that we never got to see the full potential of his powers. Luther never even mentions Sloane once, despite him vowing to find her in the Season 3 cliffhanger, everyone just instantly forgives Allison for her betrayal, and there were fat jokes aimed at Diego, when he looks the exact same as he always did.
But the biggest disappointment would be Five and Lila's arc. It felt really out of character to betray his brother by kissing his wife. I know that they were stranded alone together for half a decade, but I preferred their playful platonic banter. Besides, Five was in the body of a teenager when Lila first met him, and she's half his mental age.
Viktor had the best arc, and I enjoyed his interactions with Reginald.
Im not sure if this season was better than season 3. In my opinion this season just left so many things from past seasons unanswered while also adding more questions. Because of this it felt honestly kind of hollow!
Luther does mention Sloane multiple times when talking to Diego
@@not-so-happypappypatton thnx for letting me know! I must have missed than when I was watching it. That makes more sense but I am still quite sad about her not showing up again. If sparrow ben was there then why couldnt she be there!
Yeah I agree that Viktor had the best arc. I also liked the fight scene with Diego and Luther at the office
I know you said he doesnt mention sloane but he did a few times, one when diego was having the bday party and the other was when he was looking at the lights in the store
This right here, this hurt my soul so much. Every other season was so much fun but this felt rushed and cheap. I don't know if it was Netflix or a directing or writing thing because my god did someone drop the ball. There are too many stories crammed into 6 hours that should be told over 10. What did the klaus story contribute to the overall story or the CIA story (granted the Luther and Diego fight was fun). Why did 5 and Lila have to become a thing, why was Diego treated like shit. Why did it feel like there were no ramifications from season 3, where the hell did Sloane go??? Did Jennifer's actress say I'm out in episode 5, girl just dissappeard. This really broke my heart because the creative team truley is talented and they have shown it and there really is a good story told in here somewhere but so many directions and questions that make no sense. Cast is always great and will still be one of my favorite shows.
I bet its the writers strike thats why this season felt disappointing
Yeah I really loved their friendship relationship. They felt much more like brother and sister than lovers. I really didn't like that, they should have kept the relationship as it was and not rry to force in something else
Sad that they tried to paint Lila and five's homewrecking as "okay" or "justified". Their irl age gap is already weird enough... this just was so gross.
So true they did so dirty to Diego and Luther. Diego was treated like shit for all the seasons, but at least he had a story line in the previous seasons. As for Luther...they did him so dirty, almost like Thor in Love and Thunder. Instead of showing him why he is the number 1 and the leader, he was made a stupid dumb charecter with no plot and charecter development....
@SuperHeedictator i havent watched s4 yet your description of Diego does sound like Thor 4
My problem with the Lila/Five story isn't even the fact that they kissed, because I find it somewhat plausible that after so many years in survival mode and not knowing if you'll ever find the way back home, people can get very lonely and find solace in each other. Intimacy can be a way of escapism. However, the storyline doesn't add ANYTHING to the plot! Lila and Five don't discover anything interesting in those years, like a way to stop the apocalypse, they don't interact much with the other timelines, they don't meet an interesting new character - nothing. If you remove the storyline, nothing changes. There is already tension between Lila and Diego, the love triangle doesn't add much to it. I really don't understand why the storyline exists. Maybe the idea was to show the loneliness of Five and that he's craving love and connection - but we already knew that because of Dolores.
I felt like the final season was kinda disappointing
No
Well it could be the fact that the director was abusive and it could’ve been rushed
Not the final season but instead the ending... it was so bad and so sad I didn't like hoe they wrote I and there last words weren't even I love u that just doesn't sit right with me :/
“Kinda”?? This was awful!
Yes agreed
In my opinion i think the show would be better off without this season. It started off good and i was enjoying seeing all the characters live their domestic lives but as each episode passed all my expectations that were set from the past seasons just continued to be let down. What happened to Sloane and why doesn’t Luther mention her ONCE. Where is the long awaited origin story for Mr. Reginald and his wife? Season 4 lacked the TCU charm imo. Felt like it lacked emotion and the ending didn’t have any sentimental value. Literally was just five going “ok so we have to all die now” and everyone was like ok with almost no haste and no last minute heart to heart reconciliation? One of the worst moments was for sure the end scene with the suburban utopia. Very cheesy and very out of character for the whole show.
I also want to add that I think many other possibilities for the ending were left open but unexplored. They were all able to remove their marigold before, maybe they could of done it again? Could Viktor have taken all of their Marigold in a noble sacrifice ? The end overall was very confusing, though I may be overlooking things. Screw Ben tho 😂 I wonder what would of happened if he didnt spike their drinks
Actually, Luther does mention Sloan. Literally ONCE. He tells Diego "you have someone so many people would want, I know Sloan and I sure would have." He might have said she would have liked the Truman Show town too.
@@ryankuhn1553 They don't really delve into what actually happened between them and just leave it ambiguous . I thought they were going to revisit at a later time but guess not
Yeah I hated the ending of why everyone was jhst in the same place together enjoying a picnic 😅. They could have certainly expanded it and done so much more episodes. They also never explained to the nee reg how they got their powers back which he seemed keen to know and didn't really explain where it actually came from. Where the marigold actually came from. We know it's from Abigail but where does she get it, does she make it and if so why isn't there another version of the umbrella academy here with marigold
@@justme9593 we saw pretty much everything that went on between them. Sloan just straight up didn't exist in the recreated world.
The reduced episode count definitely harmed the overall season, I think with the 3-4h of missing episode time they could have fixed a lot of issues with the story. It felt like every character was underused, and rather than doing 2-3 really good story arks, they tried to do 4-5 which all felt very underwhelming. The time jump felt like a rehash of s2 only it didn't add anything significant to the story, the families felt hollow and I didn't feel anything when they were saved. The relationship between Five and Lila felt forced and was just there to give them something to do. I liked the cross-timeline train, however, the lack of explanation about who built it, how it works, or even why it exists was frustrating. The Commission was mysterious but we still got explanations to the how, and why it existed. The lack of payoff to any of the previous seasons cliffhangers was disappointing.
Overall the final season was a disappointment and you can really feel the animosity Netflix had during its final run by slashing the episode count and budget. It feels like it's being pushed out the door and told to leave early, leaving everyone disappointed knowing it could have been so much better if given the chance.
I’m with you
I definitely agree with this. Five ambiguously said his link to the subway to be due to Ben creating a marigold mix but it seemed that the train was the main reason he was able to save the day so why wasn't he even able to reach there. I really don't like the fact that they didn't explain this. Plus who's notes did Five find in the subway later on when he was trapped. He said it was his writing but how exactly was that possible. I know we got to see many fives later on, but I can only assume that all these fives also got the same help from the mysterious note in fives writing. However, since the other Five said some fives didn't get the train system, I presume they didn't get the note, so how exactly did they end up in the station as bartenders and with Jobs.
You wanted 3 or 4 more endless episodes this season?? I prefer 6 episodes and be done with it
@@justme9593it was some other Five’s note. There are multiple universes and Fives travel on that same subway. More interesting question is why Five and Laila never met another Five in 7 YEARS!!
There was one subplot that was just absolutely baffling.
@@tylerjackson1806 I think that I know the one you mean. It just felt out of character, and a little icky.
It was so yucky
Which one?
I think this was the most disappointed I’ve ever been watching a finale.
Agreed
The Lila and Five romance was weird but I believe that if they were stuck in the station longer and we got to see more of their time there it may have made more sense
It's so weird especially because of the age gap between the actors 😬 Five was a teenager when Lila was brought into the story... this needs to be shamed.
It's an unnecessary plot. Remove the stuck in the station scene. That gross relationship won't happen. Curse the writer. They didn't do justice to the characters. This is the final, yet he ruined in all.
There was barely any marketing or much press junket of this last season which already felt like a red flag in advance
100%
Truee. I didn't even know that this season was coming out until the night before💀
@@kimberlydegier5950 Netflix biggest weakness, they’re can’t marketing for shit
It felt so… inhuman? Or artificial? Such a weirdly algorithmic story with never established lore forced down our throats to explain these things.
definitely written by ai
bro what happened to the season 3 post credit scene with Alternate Ben, they went no where with that :(
Yeah. I thought he was going to be on the subway somehow and then they revealed the all 5 deli. I was super bummed.
They already announced that was Sparrow Ben. Probably on his way to start his crypto scheme.
So disappointing. I so agreed with your comments here Austin. This season didn't care much about Klaus, maybe Robert didn't care much about this waste of time season either. What the heck was the love interest between 5 and Leila about? So unnecessary.
Very disappointed indeed. Our Five deserves someone better than Lila! Stealing brother’s wife isn’t his thing! 🤬🤬🤬
They ruined the characters.
Like what was the point of that relationship took me out of the show in a way
Lila was also a cool character, is a shame they ruined her this way
Like GOT, Netflix couldn't wait for the final Umbrella Academy comic book, so they finished themselves.
When did the second last book come out?
@@_purejoy_ 2019, but they did their own thing with the Oblivion storyline in season 3, the hotel in the comic was in an alternate dimension and was a prison for all the villain they stopped as kids
There were just so many points where I was like, WHAT?! WHY?! That makes no sense?!
Spoilers
Why did Layla get laser eyes, then later on could randomly get other people’s abilities again. Why did Luther get his ape body back when it wasn’t the marigold that did that, and why can he block bullets, but then gets knocked out by a car crash just as easily as everyone else? Why did Klaus randomly fly at the end? Why did he get Quinn to shoot him for no reason? Why can 5 time travel perfectly suddenly, and why can’t he teleport regularly when he can time travel so well? Why don’t the other 5s at the end come to the same conclusion as our 5?
Why does Reginald’s wife give the umbrella academy the Marigold when she knew it would split the timelines? And if she didn’t know the cleans would fix the timelines, then is her reason really “she felt bad for killing her home planet, so she felt she had to pay by getting killed in the process of destroying another planet?” Why would the cleans fix Earth but destroy their home world in the first place?
-why Claus went to that alley only to get kidnapped?? Feels like writters had no plot for him
- why Victor powers are yellow now and look like fire when it was always blue and sound related?
-why Allison doesnt have yo say rumor has it anymore?
-what was all Diego and Luther subplot in CIA? Its like they didnt know what to do with them (like with Claus)
- how come Lila throws green beams? I thought she only copy power of others
- why their father asked ben to go on a mission to save the girl of he knew they were not suppose to touch?
- how come five and lila never met another five in 7 years they were stuck???
- why lila is so sad and emotional about her kids in finale scenes when she didnt care for them when she was stuck 7 years with Five??
- wasnt there another Ben in season 3 post credits?
Dude seriously did not understand the Klaus thing. I was super lost. I thought he was gonna fake his death to remove his debt
@@R.O.T.C._SEEM maybe? But what was the urgency though? Its not like the guy showed up at Klaus’ place.
@@entropy22 That's the only thing that made sense. He was basically begging him to off him. It's like part of the story is missing
they did not explain why allison's powers disappeared when in the season 3 she was not in that machine to extract the marigold in her body, and why did her power turn from mind controlling to telekinesis? wtf
i was wondering the same thing maybe reginald put in the new timeline that none if them will have powers. bc luther was alive at the end of season 3 even tho he died so maybe theres just certain decisions he made for the new timeline that just werent explained at all? honestly i think reginald and his wife have a lot more to do with things being the way they are than the show led on.
Why did Layla get laser eyes, then later on could randomly get other people’s abilities again. And why did Luther get his ape body back when it wasn’t the marigold that did that? Why did Klaus randomly fly at the end? Why did he get Quinn to shoot him for no reason? Why can 5 time travel perfectly suddenly, and why can’t he teleport regularly when he can time travel so well? Why don’t the other 5s at the end come to the same conclusion as our 5? Why can Luther block bullets, but then gets knocked out by a car crash just as easily as everyone else?
There were just so many points where I was like, WHAT?! WHY?! That makes no sense?!
@@Number16BusShelterI agree with the others, but I think the reason he got Quinn to shoot him was because he was in denial of regaining his power.
@@SemmeralddynamicsBaammy Oh, I suppose that makes some sense, but it really felt like they just wanted him to get captured by Quinn and they didn't really know how to execute it. Also, why is Klaus so upset with getting his powers back, I thought he got over his fear of them in season 3? He was disappointed when he learned he wasn't immortal any more at the end of season 3, and he was super afraid of dying at the start of season 4. If anyone, I would imagine Klaus to be the one to want his powers back.
@@Number16BusShelter Yeah, the only thing to excuse them is that Klaus was happy being sober, but still, horrible execution.
This season was disappointing. I was expecting a lot from these characters. Klaus first, he discovered more of his power’s potential in S3 but that’s just that. They didnt give more screentime for this it had a lot of potential. Also, why isn’t Luther devastated that sloan isn’t around? How come ray and allison didn’t work out? How come claire wasn’t surprised about her mom’s powers? Lila and Five could have given more action and not just sitting around. Also, how did they not just care about ben and jennifer when they already heard the worst and viktor was the only one chasing a lead? Klaus’ gang scene was a waste of time. He had his power back he already managed to be good at handling his powers before so why did he became a coward again????? I wish we could’ve seen more power from the characters at great execution but what we got were unnecessary scenes that could’ve been used for something great because it only had 6episodes.
You know what I heard a rumor …..that the season 4 never hapened and it is now in the making
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They didn't even have a fun dance intro 😢
I feel the exact same way and you do. This season had a lot of potential and it started strong. Unfortunately, they had too many loose ends in the end. The actual end wasn’t bad, just too short and not enough questions answered
Is there a way to pretend ep 5 and 6 didn’t happen
I’m going to pretend this whole season didn’t happen.
I would love to live in this timeline
The biggest plot hole is the math. 43 babies were born in 1989. The Umbrella Academy adopted 7. That leaves 37. In this final season Five said ALL the marigold has to be gone! So when our 7 major changes die, everything is fine? What about the 37 left? 🤔
This is the most disappointed I've ever been in my life with the ending of a tv series 🙃 i payed Netflix only for this
I feel you
And sex education
Not as bad as GOT, Lost, Heroes, among others in my opinion but pretty awful nonetheless.
GOT was the worst at least you can watch season 1 and 2 of umbrella academy and act like the others don’t exist
@@randomgeekcrap Sex Education was definitely not this bad
i honestly think if Sloane was still there at the end of season 3, that would’ve been a perfectly fine ending to the show. i mean the counsel of fives were right, it’s because of their powers that all these apocalypses started, but they take them away at the end, so why not let the characters live their lives by the end.
Full of flaws
1- in the first season they said 43 kids were born this way so how come only the 8 eracing is enough to end the cleanse !!! Still mery gold is there in the others
2- how can their kids exist
3- who told them the kids will reach the real reiality not another parralel universe that will be eraced
4- why did the handler survive
5- wtf is that ridiclous five and leyla affair pointless ?
6- they finally explain the sudden birth of these kids in a sec?!!
Totally dissapointing i really would petition a remake
The five and lila affair could have worked IT WAS JUST WAY TOO RUSHED
Like not even 10 episodes
It was pointless because nothing came of it
We got a MINISCULE amount of scenes with diego and lila after diego found out that it wasn't even worth it, not even close
@wizardkumaanimations9984 Yeah, it could've worked if they did something like Diego understanding that the spark between him and Lila was gone, and Five was a better fit for her, but that wouldn't have made sense anyway, because of character development.
Personally I did like certain aspects of this season but overall I was disappointed, I didn’t really have that much fun nor was I really that invested in this season sadly. Even though season 3 was ok I still had fun with it but I didn’t feel that with season 4. Love your review!
I saw the actor that plays Diego on some interview saying season 4 was his absolute favorite. After watching it i find that so hard to believe!
This has to be the most heartbreaking ending I could have ever imagined. Not because all the Hargreeves and the Umbrella Academy Universe ceased to exist in the end, but because the arcs of the characters I've grown so attached to these past 5+ years ended so unjustly and abruptly.
All the subplots felt so useless. Five & Lila, Diego & Luther in the CIA building, Diego & Lila's family, Klaus' entire subplot, Alison & Claire's bickering? None of these scenes added anything to the main storyline, (minus Luther finding out the CIA was part of the Keepers) and any air time used on them were precious minutes wasted that could have gone to more plot development. Why the hell were none of them were worried about Ben being a literal ticking time bomb???
So many questions that I've already seen shared in these comments, but to echo the few that bothered me the most: Why did Ray leave Alison? Why was Luther not mourning Sloane whatsoever? When I saw him living in the condemned Hargreves mansion, I was so sure he was out there being miserable without her. But nope, he was as cheery as ever. Why could Five ONLY blink to the subway station? Who built it, and why was that a limitation to his ability? Why didn't he question it? Why did a version of himself leave that notebook in the subway station? Why did he never question that either? How did Jennifer get stuck in a SQUID? How did she know about The Cleanse? Theoretically, in this timeline, the Ben without powers should have been alive. Where was he?? Ben said it himself, him and Jennifer must have been connected, with her being found in a squid and his tentacles, why was this never explored? Why were all the Hargreeves so on-board about offing themselves to save the world, why would Diego even trust Five after he slept with his wife? Everything felt so shallow and rushed.
I have a personal theory that the directors and writers did not plan on having only 6 episodes this season, but were condensed and rushed by Netflix. There are just too many missing pieces to this story. The true potential of this season could not shine under these constraints. This series deserved a 15-episode ending, not 6.
I had a ton of fun with this season. As soon as I saw that it was only going to be six episodes, I knew that it wasn't going to do the story justice, so I just enjoyed the chaos. With the recent writer's strike, it makes sense that this show was just another one that took a serious hit to its quality. I still had lots of fun, but man am i sad about what we missed out on.
Same
@@indieoregano Seconded, if you simply enjoyed the chaos, then you'll have a lot of fun with this season.
Same I just liked seeing the characters one last time, six episodes was never going to do it all.
Any idea why they didn’t show the other Ben that was at the end of the third season on the train?
i forgot about that. this show literally made no sense this season. nothing was solved lmao
They needed more episodes to make this plot work and to give each character more time with thier storylines.
Yeah the kids still existing didnt make any sense. Didn't they explain this with the grandfather paradox? 😂
Now if they explained it as remaining family got out of that subway into the one and only timeline with no memories of what happened before getting on the subway, maybe I could live with that.
See, that clicks with me!
I still wouldn't like that because all other timeliness are a break from the original one. So when they eventually saved the day, the timeliness should have gone back to just one meaning that those kids would never have existed if the umbrella academy didn't exist in this timeline
There is no way Five and Lila could send them to sacred timeline because it did not became sacred until all of them died and multiverse disappeared. So chances are doesnt matter on which station their family exit the subway, that timelines disappeared.
The whole subway got erased so i don't think its possible
Allison barely used her power 😢 .... what happened to her "i heard a rumor" .....i wish there was more action with the umbrella academy this season
If ya’ll didn’t share your Netflix account, They would’ve the money to run more episodes to explain plotholes. That’s what we get for cheaping out Netflix subscription. This will be the future of production for streaming, rushed series/films to save money with production
I’m really tired of streaming services doing these short episode seasons and trying to make it normal. They’ll say that 6 episodes is all the story called for but this final season definitely needed 10. It all has to do with them trying to pay the actors less and I’m not feeling it
It should have been WAY MORE than 6 episodes. It didn't elaborate and the depth was lacking, I agree. It was a meh finale.
Netflix wanted this show over with as soon as possible
@@nosaobasuyi1302 true
They did get the merigold from a guy that we later learned to be Reginald's wife in disguise, which makes them conveniently getting their powerrs back to appear more calculated than random.
I did enjoy this season, though it is a shame as the show gets worse as it goes on 😔
I absolutely hated it. So many plotholes that make the climax make no sense, all the characters except maybe Viktor had reverse character growth, most of the characters barely did anything related to the main conflict, Ben basically didn't interact with any of them the whole season again, Jennifer did not need to exist at all, forced bad comedy everywhere, everything is goofy, nothing is serious ever, characters like Luther, don't react to anything naturally or have emotions, he's just a bad joke machine. It was so shockingly bad.
The fact they had no source material to work with was probably the first problem, and only giving them 6 episodes was the nail in the coffin
When I saw the flowers growing it made me think, Well great they did this for nothing. Something is gonna eat those and the world is gonna end again for good this time.
Totally disappointed Five didn’t seem like Five I mean it had been six years but what the hell was he doing in the CIA he had no background Klause was a dowern seemed like a baby
Mannnnn, I'm so disappointed in this season. They took the easy way out with the story and they cut it down to 6 episodes instead of the usual 10. And Luther was way too goofy this season. It was comical at times but it was kinda over the top. And the whole thing between Five and Lila was so cringe. That's not in Fives nature to do something like that. Especially to his brother.
Let's be real. This show could have been as big as stranger things but netflix took a semi dumb and goofy approach to it which limited the success of this show to some extent and even allowed the writers (ofc crapy netflix writers) to write absolute bs because the show will be seen in in any case. It ended very poorly, which makes it an ultimate disappointment judging by how good the source material is and what could have been made with creative minds.
Pure example of something good coming out of trash source material is The Boys whose comics are so bad yet the show turned out great so there is no excuse to what netflix did with TUA.
Basically, blame netflix and its terrible writters .
Anyone gonna mention they teased two bens in the hargreeves timeline and that train Ben just never returned
There was also no explanation to some of their new abilities, Five and Viktor had colour changes, Lila had laser eyes? Luther was bullet proof, Allison is just full on psychic and apparently Diego can now manipulate more than metal in the air
I think Luther just had tough skin because of his super strenght, not a new ability, which is why he said I can't hold on much longer.
that pisses me off like what about the other 36 shouldn’t they have known and came forward
The final season was okay not my favorite season but the end it was a little emotional but it feels like it was something missing I also didn't really like the five and Lila storyline either I feel like we should have had 10 episodes instead of 6 so we can have more times with the characters still
They give up fr It was so so disappointing 🤒🤒🤒 They deserved better
I'm not disappointed .....more "sono incazzatissimo" !!! Waist my time, son of ...! I was so exciting to watch season 4...but nothing, only confusion and things without sense or explanations.
I agree 100% with you Austin, thank you👌
While watching the first two episodes... I noticed how uninterested and completely not engaged I was. The writers either didn't care or were forced by executives to end it. Feels like someone forced the writers to take their creation and shoot it in the back of the head. Was this worth it? Feels like they decided to literally murder this show because they wanted it to end quickly. If this is how Netflix treats their shows how can we trust them to invest our time and engagement in their future projects?
WE DID NOT GET A DANCE SCENE EITHER 😢
Stole the ending straight from a Ashton Kutcher movie. 4 season, then they pull a butterfly effect ending. On par with GOT season 7 for bad endings.
Great review bro
They should have given us 10 episodes.
The first one should have been about this timeline's Reginald Hargreaves and his wife Abigail. How they live how they came to Earth... Excetra...
The 2nd one should have delt with the umbrellas first few days without their powers. Maybe have Alison or someone seek out their father.
The third one should have been a time jump to when the birthday party happens and when Victor got kidnapped.
The Fourth one they get their powers back and played out much like it did in the actual episode.
The fifth episode should have delt with the team going to rescue Jennifer. Much how it did.
The 6th episode should have been about Jenifer and her back story. Showing her in other timelines merging with the other children with the marigold inside them and destroying those timelines.
The 7th episode should have involve Luther Klause and Diago learning about the keepers at the CIA.
The 8th episode showing Lila and Five on the Subway getting lost and being ambushed over and over by different versions of Five were they actually see the cleanse monster in the last few minutes.
The 9th episode should have been about ben and Jennifer becoming said monster and everyone meeting up at the Hargreaves mansion to form a plan.
Then the last episode should have been the sacrifice that played out the way it did.
I would have been happy with that format for sure.
Leave out the five and Lila love story. And have a bit more information on what exactly Abigail and Reginald were as a species.
The kids continued to exist even when their parents disappeared because they were smuggled into the subway, i.e. out of the timeline while it was being reset for the final time.
Omg I’m so disappointed it felt like a punch to the gut!!! The whole time I kept thinking okay they will release 6 more episodes in a couple weeks. At the end when they joined in a circle I thought they were gonna jump somewhere else
Yeah makes me sad
Five and Lila romancing could’ve been removed to tell other important aspect of story…. Jen and Ben could’ve been told better, it can stay but it obviously felt rushed. The only storyline I really liked was Viktor storyline. I wish the keepers had more threatening impact to the story
If all the marigold was collected at the end of season 3, why didn't Abigail take it directly to Jennifer to start the Cleanse and reset the timeline?
She didn't have to sneak it to the siblings, none of the odd side stories were necessary (or enjoyable), and the season could have been wrapped up in about 20 minutes.
personally i liked it, but they did try to the trope that never really works. the trope where you go back in time make none of it ever happen. a ton of stories try to do it, majority of them fail.
I liked it too. I was shocked when I was on episode 3 then relaised there were only three left. I was expecting the usual run time. Flaws here and there. Some characters were really left in the background, Luther and Klaus. Klaus plot didn't come out the way I expected cause he was one of their best characters. Despite a few questionable decisions, I generally enjoyed it. Endings are hard
As someone who loved season 1, thought season 2 was okay, and dropped a few episodes into season 3, even I've gotta say I felt some emotions when you talked about the ending. Loved the characters and the actors portraying them, just wish the story was more to my liking.
Love the references to the Mandela Affect . Theoretical possibilities. Spawning a new hypothesis for the modern events.
I loved it! The series was well acted, written, and directed. Family to the end. A spin-off Phinoex Academy would be great.
They also built up nothing with that s3 midcredit scene where Ben was on the train but they never even acknowledged it
I am so disappointed
I didn't expect the ending would make me regret watching the show in the first place
they ruined the series
Their kids exist because they were in the subway. They were kept outside the timeline, so they weren't erased, but the memories of Diego, Lila and Allison were.
I love the story I truly do but I'm really let down, the credits made me feel better seeing the pictures of the cast I was kinda hoping that season 4 would have a part 1 of the season and then later drop a part 2 to really tie the rest of the story together for closer, like the children, the original timeline and other things we probably won't get answers for
How was 6 episodes simultaneously not enough anf yet 3 episodes too many for what they put in?
Makes no sense lol
Like why would the writers ignore the Ben subway scene from the season 3 post credit scene? This was hella rushed and there was a lot of plot holes. Like where was sloane or Allison’s husband?
Netflix gave them six episodes this was the best they could do
One of the plot holes was that Sai character seeming more than he lets on. He appears to Ben out of nowhere, and then disappears second's later. While all the while knowing how to get Ben to sense and locate the girl that would help end the world. Was Sai Reg wife?
By episode 2 I already felt something was so wrong that I did not continue. Apparently the feeling was correct. Sadly. Netflix keeps emptying out the pool on their short lived series, but I didn't take the blind dive this time.
Also are we not forgeting that good ben is alived again by the end of season 3 since in the last scene we see good version of ben from the umbrella academy timeline alive in the same trained the day he was born. I was wondering what umbrella ben doing in the new timeline while sparrow ben been in prison. I like to think that Ben might be in the original timeline and only surivior member of the umbrella academy. I like to think that umbrella Ben is only person who remember his sibling sacrifice as he enjoy his life in the original timeline.
Yep. Agreed❤❤❤
Weird thing about the ending. They had to destroy all the marigold right to fix all timelines. I mean, sure.
But...
Claus didnt drink his initially so that should be on the floor somewhere. And they didnt even use the whole load they had.
Kinda strange
I honestly didn’t think I would find a show final episode that less impact on me then the game of thrones disaster it wanted me asking more at the end but how it was set up felt a bit rushed 😢
They should have written Season 3 and 4 in reverse order😢. Season 3: they came back into a different timeline, where the Sparrows exist with a different number one (no Ben). Then in their quest to outdo each other, the umbrellas and the sparrows created the Kugelblitz. They united and Klaus and Sloane got married. They also found out that Regie and his marigold is the source of all this. Regie, revealed his true self, Abbie and everything else to his kids before killing Luther. Regie escaped and went to get Abbie. At the end of the season, they concluded that "The End" is caused because they are together so they escaped the end of the world intentionally and they went into different timelines.
Season 4: Sloane is grieving and decided to end her life. In another timeline, Diego became number one and met up with 6 other powered up being which coined after the umbrella academy. Five and Lila got stuck in an endless loop in that train in their quest to find out how to stop it. Occasionally meeting with each other in different timelines. Somewhere along the way, Lila gave birth to her and Diego's daughter and Five was there to help her out. They fell in love. (Altho I abhor the betrayal, this plot is easier to accept than the rush one they put upon us). Five discovered the end can only be stopped if they "cease to exist". Meanwhile in the nether region, Klaus found Sloane, Luther, Ben and other powered up kids who lost their lives. Luther told Ben the truth that their father killed him and Ben revealed that before he died, he met a girl named Jennifer. They concluded that Jennifer has something to do with this. Alison went back to the timeline where she had Ray. They had a daughter and they named it after Claire. She's working in the same beauty salon and have also met other powerful children. In that timeline, she found out that there is a cabal of alien beings and that their father is one of them. In the active timeline, Reggie and Abbie kept Jennifer in prison as that is the only way they could survive. They need to make sure that the Marigolds and Jennifer do not mix. Diego was the only one who made it to the active timeline and inevitably became number one. He formed a group with other powered up kids and he patterend it after the umbrella academy. He is actively fighting an evil Regie and has found out about Jennifer. Viktor is living a solitary life as a bar tender free of the others. Meanwhile, 5, in his quest to end " the end" jumped into his siblings timeline. They united... INSERT FAMILY DRAMAS here... Towards the end of the season, they found out that they don't have to die to stop the end. They only have to press the reset button at the hotel Oblivion and the only way to power it up and engage the sigils is to have all of the 43 children's marigold extracted by the machine and for Jennifer' Durango to be used as a counteracting force to stop the power of the Marigolds. Think of it as a push vs pull force to come into a neutral position. As they have met other people like them in their respective timelines, they went back and pulled them in on the truth. So everyone gets into position to the hotel oblivion in the timelines they are in. Klaus with his powers brought the dead back to the living to get the marigolds from their bodies extracted and the machine was powered up. Then it ended with the beautiful park scene that we get from the last episode of season 4 with each of the living characters living their best lives with their families, not remembering each other with somehow a sense of deja vu of a life they had from distant timelines. The dead looking down from them with a smile on a TV in their idea of heaven
“The world would be better if I had never existed” is not the message that I want when I watch a quirky funny superhero show. Everyone feels that way way sometimes. It is an incredibly common thought, particularly among people who self harm. It is not what I wanted as the final lesson from this story.
You can read it as self sacrifice for the greater good, but the danger they are thwarting is their own existence.
Would life for other animals be better if no humans had ever existed? Probably yes. But, all of my family and friends are humans. I prefer them to exist.
It was an extremely weak season in my opinion. No real story line or plot, just all over the place the whole time with a lot of holes everywhere. Easy the worst season. 3/10
How are there offspring (kids) still existing??? 🤔 If the parents never existed in the new timeline 🤔
This is sad. I was hoping they would do so much better this season, specially since it's the last one. But halfway through I knew it was going to be disappointing. Too many pointless subplots with no clear direction. I guess this is what happens when there's not enough source material for multiple seasons. I'm gonna have to give The Umbrella Academy the Dexter treatment and only rewatch the first two seasons lol.
Why did Lila have to die? She wasn’t apart of the original 7. And it’s explained that only the 7 was the problem. Couldn’t she have transferred her marigold and lived?
If the problem is the Marigold and it resets unless all the Merigold is gone.
Couldn't Five try time travel to stop them from taking the Marigold?
season 3 was not great. but i really hoped it would end in a good way. This season only had 6 episodes. yet it was so boring and badly paced. the whole season was pointless bc of the ending and the whole show! NOTHING mattered in the end😭 and now they are just gone and have never existed. i have never been more disappointed in my life.
I like the show but when the acting is mid and the writing is all over the place it makes it all feel shit all around and that started in season 3 imo and I feel like people are scared nowadays too say when something is bad just because they like the actors or actresses for example I like Margot Robbie but birds of prey wasn't good.
For me, it was much better than season 3 but not up there with 1&2. Apart from Five/Lila which gave me the ick - my one complaint is that they just couldn't do the story justice in 6 episodes. Would it really have killed Netflix to order 10 episodes? This is one of the reasons people are turning away from the service. They just don't seem to care about shows beyond the first couple of seasons anymore. Makes me glad that their "golden era" shows like Orange Is The New Black and Grace & Frankie got to end properly. They'd both be down to one new 5 minute episode a year by now!
I wasn't emotional at the ending. At that's says a lot. I cry at commercials dude, I cry when I hear two notes of one song cause it makes me remember a good game. And here? I know that those last scene were supposed to be emotional but well, they were not. Like why i should care about Diego's and Lyla's family? I don't even know their kids name! Two out of three kids didn't even have a name! Why i should care about Victors peacefull life in Canada as they only showed one scene of him having a pub? Geez. They massacred this show and it really makes me mad, cause i loved it.
LOTS of plotholes and 6eps is insane
Not only did this season not give us closure on many of the mysteries, ruin all of the characters and mess up the logic of time travel, it also has a major plot hole in that Five convincing the family to erase themselves from existence in one of the timelines should have no effect on the serveral other timelines collapsing. By the logic of the show, the Cleanse should have happened in all timelines simultaneously, no?
Season 1 and 2 were the best! And the setup for season 3 was great
What happened to Vanya's voice? And why is she now called Viktor? Did not read that in the comics. And how has she aged ten years in just four?
I loved this series so much ! Season 4 was absolutely horrible!