honestly s3 wasn't even that bad it was just the pacing & it was kinda boring if the plot with the sparrows could have been better it would've been peak also evil allison plot could have been better but it was still 10 x better than s4 lmao
Can we talk about how badly used Gene and Jean were!? Like I’m convinced if you removed them and jennefer from the story nothing would change They tried to make a cool duo, but they will never even compare to Hazel and Cha cha
They didn't forget abt Ray, I forgot who but someone, this season, mentioned that he left Allison within the six years after the s3 ending. Again, he was mentioned but it did feel like nobody remembered abt him 😅
@@IDontLikePhysics one of the big things I despise abt this season is how little everything is explained, like why is jennifer inside a squid? what abt the others who were born w/ marigold whem the family sacrificed themselves? where was Sloane? Why didn't Viktor take the marigold from the family and sacrifice himself? That would've saved most of them I feel like, idk, this season disappointed me MASSIVELY 😅🫠
And they didn't even do anything with him becoming part ape again. It could've been a great source of angst or character development but no. He seemed mildly annoyed and then it was never acknowledged again. The show didn't even make good use of its plotholes
That was my first thought. I litterally said out loud, "I wonder if Luther's powers will come back now without the ape body." Because that's what makes sense! But nopeee. Nothing makes sense this season!!
Same. I even waited a bit since I figured it was a bad sign that I saw one trailer and basically no talk. It was 6 episodes of "ok... but why, though?" I was actively saying, "No... no... come on," by the time they hit the reset on Klaus. It was like the season for character assassination and bad resolution.
Some on the internet have brought up a really good point: This is a show about people recovering from child abuse. The show’s resolution was not for them to move forward but to unalive themselves - that’s what fixed everything. And that’s a terrible message
soo true ! and the fact that they absolve their abuser by making him an alternate version of himself that is then victimised at the end w all his murderous tendencies softened away. it's so upsetting
@@paulieboy6644 that is deeply upsetting and uncomfortable. I didn’t make that connection at all but u r 100% right. that’s a REALLY HORRIBLE message .
If they wanted to go the noble sacrifice route, they should have had them all die, then in a final scene have them all show up at a bar or diner. They all were born normally to their original mothers, none of them know each other, they grew up separate and normal. The final scene is them all dancing to some song that comes on with their respective partners or in the crowd, maybe even have Diego and Lila dancing together/near each other to imply they end up together again after this. So they're having the dance scene from every season be the final thing, tying them together but separate. It's bittersweet that they're not siblings anymore, but they ended up having happy, full lives anyways.
I was kinda hoping that Vicktor would take all the Marigold from the siblings, and be the only one to sacrifice themselves to the apocalypse. Especially since the apocalypse seamed to revolve around Vicktor in almost every season. It would have come full circle for why they saved Vicktor at the end of season one since it was his destiny to cause or prevent the apocalypse. Then we could have seen the rest of the UA living happily in the restored timeline with no marigold and no apocalypse.
It would have also shown Vicktor’s forgiveness to his family after everything that had been done. And it would have reflected on the convo Five had with Vicktor in the third season, where he was trying to make Vicktor decide whether or not to be a hero or a villain.
@@josiahmcvety916 great idea. Would have been WAY better then what we got. Perfectly ties together all the seasons and is sad but happy. Actual bittersweet rather then just Bitter
That’s not possible. How would they exist in the OG timeline when they themselves are a product of the marigold? But Let’s say there’s an alternate solution; They’d need five to blink them into the subway, so he’d need to keep the marigold and as a result, die too. It’s gotta be a two man sacrifice, there’s no other option.
@@ShiftNova no, the woman gave birth when they weren’t pregnant the day before. It’s shown on the first episode. They became pregnant BECAUSE of the marigold
The park scene makes zero sense. Even ignoring the fact that Claire/Grace/the twins shouldn't exist, there is no reason for all of the side characters to be in the exact same space and time. No UA means no Commission, so why are the Swedes in America? How did Hazel and Agnes meet? How do Herb and Dot know each other? What kind of cosmic consequence leads all these random people (whose ONLY connection is the now non-existent UA) to be in the exact same place and not spread out among time and space?
I think the thought of that is the were on the train when the times were collapsing and they get off the train it's the only timeline left. Still It was dumb.
@@saskia9720 omg 😂😂🤣😑😑😑 u have perfectly summed up why that annoyed me so much. It was so cartoony but I hadn’t even really bothered to think about JUST hot dumb nonsense it really is that they all know each other.
Also literally none of the siblings is doing anything of actual importance during the entire season other than victor. Diego and Luther are wasting time at the CIA, accomplishing nothing. Klaus is a germaphobe and then a sex slave, and then buried alive. Alison saves Klaus but again does nothing of importance to the main storyline. Ben is creating the problem rather than solving it. 5 is stuck in a different timeline sleeping with his brother's wife and then finally shows up just to say "we all need to not exist anymore, that's all".
Pointlessness is the recurring theme of this season. There were fewer episodes this season and still it seemed like so much filler. Anyone involved with the writing of this season would do well to excise it from their resume.
the five and lila thing made me so mad. first of all, the actors are 15 years apart so that already felt gross. second of all, five is half her age physically and she is half is age mentally. third of all, SO LAZY!!! wanna give five a love interest? fine. make it a CIA agent that he has to work with who’s been looking into the keepers for years. that’d be “better” (if they HAVE to give him a love interest). just so lazy.
It would've been way cooler if they could have a PLATONIC close friendship and they actually start to feel like family. But no, it's gotta be romantic because... reasons. I love romance, but fucking hell, ENOUGH. There are other dynamics than romantic ones!! It's just so narrow-minded!
This is a stupid idea but itd be pretty fun: Have Five and Klaus get stuck together. Theyre the fan favorites, and you could explore their dynamic. Maybe Klaus still has some leftover ocd and angst at getting the marigold. Maybe his powers come in handy for subway exploration. Klaus is a damsel in distress the entire season, and a huge part of his character in general is feeling useless. Hell, maybe he and five get into an argument because Klaus wants to find a timeline where Dave is alive (the show couldve done a better job using that trauma in seasons 3 and 4...) And while the two of them are stuck, Lila and Diego can deepen their marriage bond and get over their issues. They can kick some ass together, which can remind them why they got married in the first place. Then five, diego, and lila can all die on good terms Another thing that bothered me is that two grumpy old men got nerfed this season. Five and Reginald both got lobotomized. What happened to the grump doing complex equations in his room and looking down on his young, naive siblings? What happened to the mysterious old man looking down on the city ominously from his tower? The show couldve easily explored reginalds apathy for human life and made for an excellent villian. Instead we get a sad, lonely, demystified old man. And five. Oh, five. It was so hard to buy him as a jaded old man trapped in a kids body. Im tired of yapping but im considering rewriting the show as a little side project
i heavily agree with you on the last part about old man five, and i think that’s why the five/lila storyline felt SO wrong to me since he truly felt like an 18 year old boy this entire season. quite literally got to a point where i’d forgotten that he was supposed to be in his late 60s!!!
@@Tisbilly I love those ideas. Waaaaay better then wat we got. Trapping Klaus and 5 together is a genius idea. And giving Lila and Diego time to actually resolve there issues wud b nice too
The last episode doesn’t make any sense with the families being alive. It literally ruins the lore already set. Them being alive would LITERALLY CREATE A GRANDFATHER PARADOX 🤦♀️
The actors looked like they didn't want to be there anymore. Every other plot besides the main mission was not needed, and even then the main plot felt shitty rushed.
I really disagree with people that didn’t like the ending. I understand the issues with it coming on too quick, but the umbrella academy being the common denominator when it comes to the apocalypse feels perfectly on brand to me.
@@zew1368 I don't think anyone is complaining about the Umbrella Academy kids being the problem. It's how everything surrounding that was framed that was one of the many issues with the writing. The show has a really bad problem of setting things up that don't pay off. And that applies to the series as a whole. The ending rendered everything that came before it both pointless and even more random and nonsensical than the show has been since the start of season 3. The ending made emotional sense, but once you start thinking about most plot beats that came before it the cause to effect line of logic falls completely apart. I haven't consumed the comic myself but it feels like the writers of the show put the rule of cool over everything else.
I love Lost, I think the ending was beautiful. They didn’t ruin any of the characterization of the characters in the last season, in the very least. Umbrella Academy not only had a terrible plot the last season, but literally zero of the character motivations and actions made no sense whatsoever. Remember how great the show was in the first two seasons? Even season 3 has some great and memorable moments. But season 4? There’s not one single scene that I loved or appreciated. No character did anything that made any sense. The humor was awful. They ruined Five, one of the best characters in the show. I can list positive things about Lost. Most of the characters had complete character arcs. The same definitely cannot be said about Umbrella Academy.
Allison finding ray, Luther finding Sloane, Five unpuzzling the secrets of Reginald, Klaus being kidnapped by Reginald, Lila and Diego fighting new villains Jene gean, Vicktor solving mystery of ben's death etc would have been better stories arcs for them than the storylines they actually gave to the characters!!!! My opinion :)
That Diego and Five start BRAWLING in the middle of everything was RIDICULOUS! It doesn't matter how much two brothers hate each other over a woman when they're fking LITERALLY in the last minutes of trying to stop an apocalypse, they're not gonna start brawling at a time like that! Not even Diego! Fck sake, the guy has **children**, you'd think he'd care more about them not being wiped from the face of the earth!
The fact that the actors and cinematographers did great this season but it all get’s ruined by the most terrible writing I’ve ever seen in my life. Who ever wrote this and approved of this needs to be fired and banned from working on anything creative for the rest of existence.
@@davisinfin8 ye so true. So many people work in so many different departments on a show and even if every single one of them is delivering 200% it wont matter if the writing sucks. Such a shame and I feel so bad for everyone who spent so long on this thing that was never gonna work or be liked at all
The thing that saved season 3 for me (apart from Klaus and Five) was the ending BECAUSE it set up season 4 for so many possibilities, possible family bonding, and the siblings finally "beating" their big bad monster of a dad (or at least deliver some kind of conclusion). Not only did that NOT HAPPEN but also they single-handedly sent the three previous seasons down the drain, along with every and each crumb of character development we had gotten thus far and basically ruined all the plotlines, the characters, and introduced a creepy, awkward, VERY UNCOMFORTABLE romantic relationship that gave everyone the ick both on and off screen. I am appalled, disgusted, disappointed, very very sad for our beloved characters and cast that clearly adored and worked so hard on this series, and I will definitely pretend this abomination of an ending never happened.
Completely agree on the ending of S3! And the best arc during s3 was Klaus who was already my favorite character AND I think I am not alone in saying I started off hating the idea of the new imposter UE, but grew to actually like the ones that didn't die in the beginning. Especially Sloan since she gave Luthors character WAY more depth not that he even needed it.
I feel like with the ending they tried to go for bitter-sweet, but they hugely misbalanced the bitter to sweet ratio. Erasing all the stuff we care about is way more bitter than how sweet it is to see all the random sidecharacters frolic on a field. I feel like if you truly wanted to go with bitter-sweet it would have been way better to go with something like instead of erasing the characters we care about, erase their connections to each other. Make it so that in the new timeline they exist, but they grew up seperately without powers. Show how their lives might have gone that way. Doing this not only still preserves the sacrificial element of the ending but also gives people closure about the characters they love, finally seeing them live a normal, happy life. If you wanted to you could even add some scenes where they run into each other as some kind of fated encounter. All that would be better than what is basically the more elaborate version of "And then I woke up and it was all a dream"
That’s literally what I thought was gonna happen but then for some reason they decided to do the whole side characters in the park thing which was really stupid
@@moricetamol very good point about the bittersweet. I still would have not loved that end as that makes me sad but it is 100% better then what they went with and preserves what they were trying to achieve. Shame you weren’t in the writers room. Great end suggestion
@@alexasalas6189 so true. And often it’s just a thought they had on a whim after watching , whereas the writers brainstorm for months (years?) so it’s a real shame when fan ideas aren’t just good but objectively better
THANK YOU! You’re the fourth reviewer I’ve watched and you’re the only one that mentioned the complete nonsense of them worrying so much about their kids making it to another timeline when A)every other timeline is going to be wiped out, and B)they can’t have ever been born if their parents never existed. It was so much time wasted for an emotional payoff for no one. It was such a waste of screen time for a 6 episode finale.
First let me say I went in blind so I didn’t even know it was only 6 episodes, so imagine my shock . I thought the story was just starting at the end. The CGI was terrible and all of the character storylines were trash. My next door neighbor who is “finding himself” could have done better. I waited so long for this show and the ending really broke my heart.
This is why I can't hate on the writers. Imagine having a story, but being told it needs to go from 10 episodes to 6 and that your budget is reduced. You'd be fucked with getting a half decent story out, as evidenced by what's happened here. There should be more hate directed towards Netflix who will happily destroy a show to save money, without care about how it'll affect the show
@@Omiiee I have seen people write amazing stories and have almost no budget for movies like Clerks, Rocky, Halloween, Mad Max and etc but they couldn’t tie this up? They tapped out and probably use AI for half of it. The storyline made no sense and they could have gotten cheaper talent to be supporting cast if money was part of their issue. There are tons of actors we barely see that probably would have been excellent and cheaper like Peter Stormare- look him up and you definitely know him. At this point they should have just drawn inspiration from the fan forums and they could have locked in this story and even dumped this seasons writer’s. I have seen at least 6 different people on RUclips come up with plots that would have been incredible but instead they went the lane route of adding cheating, sex, making the Black woman a single mother with no explanation, S. trafficking, the nice guy is suddenly single/ lonely and giving a gross PDF feel with Five since he looked like a kid kissing his aunt. They killed this series just like they did GOT.
I didn't mind Klaus's storyline at the start of the season; as out of all characters him losing immortality would have been the most drastic change and him going full 180 from his original character in season one to hopefully eventually find a middle ground when he inevitably regained his powers would have been a nice ending. But sadly that wasn't the direction it went he regained his powers ghosted through a few cars and then some how ended up being held hostage and needing to escape being ghost pimped (you just showed him using ghosting writers...) and he ended up his season one character again completely undoing three seasons of character development...
And it was played for laughs which I just found very fucked up. Imagine Klaus being a woman and getting ghost pimped. It would rightfully be played as something violating and bad instead of hahaha look how funny he acts
I didn't think I would watch a show whose ending disappointed me, and which I would find less fulfilling, than that of The Doom Patrol,.... and then i watched Umbrella Academy Season 4. No happy endings. Just the erasure of everyone we had been gotten attached to. All the characters we loved to watch, just gone. Also, SO. MANY. PLOT HOLES. There were 43 kids that got the Marigold and Hargreeves only got 7. So, what about them? Wouldn't they have had to sacrifice too, in order to save the world?
The other kids most likely existed, but was never give the marigold. As this marigold wasn't spreading through the air, but contained in it container, only being disbursed out to our characters. No one had powers in this timeline.
I'm far more satisfied waching all the reviews shitting on this season than I was watching it past episode 3, when I realized it had to end poorly. It will go down in my personal tv show watching history as one of the worst endings to a show that started out so amazing, right along side Lost and Dexter. What a damn shame, I'm so disappointed and it made me so genuinely frustrated and angry with Netflix, they just destroyed the ending.
Dude when you were talking about Five and them assassinating his character I was literally nodding and saying yes yup yeah out loud to everything. This is spot on and im gutted one of my fave shows ended so poorly
Would’ve been powerful if UA plot revealed that the apocalypse was attached to one sibling on all timelines, so that person (Victor) martyred themselves so everyone else can go on.
They wouldn't dare imply that killing the transgender character would make everythiing correct. I stand by my belief that hellen page should have waited after the show was finished to do whatever she wanted. The sx change massively affected the plot, I feel like that's what would have happened in the end.
@@stylishmusic4012well, i don’t know if you remember, but they did kill him. they all died. and viktor had his character flaws and was criticized for them, they make it clear that he’s not perfect. maybe take some time to think about what you’re saying before immediately getting angry about the existence of a trans person
Isn't the whole third season's apocalypse about how impossible it is for them to exist if their mothers died? By that logic the "perfect" timeline will eventually be destroyed by a kugelblitz because of the grandfather paradox
I thought they would all be born naturally as normal people. And they end up meeting at a Hargreaves college traveling overseas. Or something. Also why did luther become a monkey again but the others get improved powers? He was just done so dirty
@@TCGMetalZ that would have been a cool end. Them all drinking at a bar or something hinting they may still all meet or something. N ye lol the monkey thing makes no sense
Hated this final season worst series finale and fuck the writers for the 5 and Lila storyline that was stupid as fuck how tf does someone with teleportation get fuckin lost?!! Ugh
I fail to see why the fuck didn't Five encounter his other selves in that cafe shop sooner within those six years. I mean come on, so much time wasted when that encounter should have happened sooner.
@@SpaceKrakenMedia No like forget ab the Five Deli what ab all the fucking Fives who apparently stopped saving their respective timelines so it means they had all the time (ay) in the world to just loiter around the subway trains and stations and STILL non of them encountered our Five? Also wouldn't "Five being stuck with someone in the time travel subway Canon Event" be a known thing to the Fives? And that some of them might be checking somehow?
@@EspeonMistress00 Also I doubt other Fives gave up trying to save their timelines. Well, the ones we didn't see in the deli shop was more than likely fighting for their timelines. So I would think when our Five and his family fixed the timelines to single one. There had to have been some push back from other Fives that cared about their own timeline to save theirs somehow. A single timeline doesn't makes any sense. For every action there is a equal and opposite reaction. So really there should be more than one time out in the ether doing just fine.
Awesome review! Underwhelming and disappointing are the words that I keep seeing over and over again by just about everyone who is a fan of this show. They completely ruined it with this mess of final season.
@@tmswood78 thnx mate glad u enjoyed! Ye such a shame , this may be the (hopefully) only case of it may have been better if Netflix had just canceled it at 3? Which is a fate I would never wish on any show but ye this one really missed the mark
I mean I actually really like the concept that they all have to die/ disappear as the final solution...but the execution made it feel super unsatisfactory, instead of feeling like a big sacrifice it fdlt more like they didn't want to resolve any set up
The ending scene may be interpreted as that their sacrifice was pointless because it did not fix the timeline crisis, since we are watching an impossible scene. but I'm not sure that the creators wanted to convey that. This show deserved so much better!!!!
My headcanon is that the marigold is about to be synthesized a couple months later by the end of the show and that the academy is stuck in an endless cycle of saving the world and then dying and rebirth. Like Madoka Magica. I think. I haven't actually watched that show
The final scene after the credits where those flowers came up from the ground with marigold coming out of it indeed felt like everything was pointless, as marigold was the entire reason for all of this to happen to begin with.. So that still existing even after everything does imply that everything was for nothing.. Besides that, they could've easily prevented the world from ending if they were to get rid of that bottle of marigold in the beginning...
@@Razer5542or you know stop Ben from spiking their drinks from them unbeknown to taking the marigold. But then again that wouldn't have solved the true problem. Which was Reg wife suicidal tendencies to fuck up another world all because she feels guilty that she is alive.
Also, and correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Klaus throw marigold on a random person in the bar when he didn’t take the shot in the first or second episode?
@@dylankriner232yes!! And they panned on his face for so long it seemed like it was going to go somewhere and be apart of the plot but no?? It seems like they just cut whole storylines out or something Lol
Here are some takes of mine that i hope others could agree with The show would have been better if they just ended it on season 3 with everyone just losing their powers and living normal lives. OG Ben dying in season 2 was more sad than all of the characters dying in season 4 They either ruined or just never gave the characters story arcs. I felt like I didn't recognize the characters this season. Man, I loved this show up to season 2, season 3 was alright, but they murdered the potential of this show with the last season
I never expected sloan because she was a sparrow, which wasnt shown to survive except ben due to technicality lol. I honestly didnt even care for sloan luther relationship anyways. Seemed forced and rushed. I liked it for luther but never cared about sloan herself. However, even with me not caring about that.. I hated this season.
The worst part is the entire story arc didn't need to happen. Lady Reggy knew where Reggy kept Jennifer. She had the sparkly juice and she can change shape. She could have just worn the skin of one of Jennifer's friends from the town and gave her a sparkly bukkake to start the cleanse. Also Luther's powers have nothing to do with his monkey form!!!
I think I wouldn’t have liked a cliffhanger ending, but I’m also a sucker for those big dramatic bittersweet endings so idk lol. I think for the “sacrifice” thing to have worked, one of the family members should’ve died to keep the rest of them alive. Killing all of them makes no sense. It would be as stupid as if iron man snapping his finger killed all the avengers at the end of endgame lol. But iron man dying alone worked really well.
@@korakatk318 great comparison to highlight how this doesn’t work. Yeh I’m sure my cliffhanger idea would be controversial had they done that haha and I’m not sure it’s wat they 100% shud have done. just a fun idea Read some amazing bittersweet endings ideas in the comments that keep the feeling the show was going for that work waaay better.
I will die on the hill that this ending us accidentally encouraging of suicide. Yes, I know it's not the INTENDED Ending message, but REALLY Think about the implications. "This world is so fucked up because we were born. Let's kill ourselves so thoroughly that we were never even born" Cut to the timeline where they never existed, and everyone else is living a much better life, with no strife or worry, all their worry and problems apparently caused by the main characters, validating the choice to end themselves IMAGINE a Suicidal teen watching this show- Watching these characters come to the same conclusion they have- That the world is worse because they were born- And then being shown that the world was better when the characters they began to relate to killed themselves. You can tell me it's not that deep as much as you want- But even IF It's not outright encouraging of suicide, it's certainly not discouraging it.
@@Sugar_Crash1 that is really horrible and upsetting. Horrible message for the show to end on. I hated this end so much but now it’s somehow even worse.
I only saw the flowers at the end as more marigold in the new universe. Since you gain powers from eating it, something is going to eat that and end the world all over again. For a final time.
@@InvasionAnimation yeh I guess that makes sense. I kinda think that’s even worse if it not only erased there existence but also it was pointless. Idk I would rather them alive in some way if it’s gonna end implying it didn’t work
one thing I'm genuinely so confused about and haven't seen anyone mention is why are The Keepers even made to be the villians of the season?? Their whole purpose was being obsessed with TUA so wouldn't they have been excited to see the siblings or recognize them? Ya know, from the all the memorabilia they have... I don't even think there was a scene where they questioned who these 7 people with powers running around were
I fully thought that Victor was going to make the ultimate sacrifice and suck everyone's Marigold out and then be consumed by the cleanse monster to balance out and destroy the two elements. The story ends with the remaining characters using Reginald's empire to help the world with health care, food, resources, etc. It's like showing the characters as superheroes not for their powers but for their hearts. But nah, kill them all and have plot holes and disappoint fans, it'll be alright!
My heart breaks for these actors. Such a strange and horrible ending for all of their story and characters. I don't remember another series losing the mark so horribly since LOST or GOT. It would have been incredible to center "Sparrow" Ben to have him interact and work with the family - establish some character growth and center the family which is what made the show so meaningful in the first place. But they just kept him an asshole until the very end and they could have done SO MUCH with Jennifer. But it just made no sense. Having their father be the one that murdered Ben, such a pivotal point in their trauma would have been so juicy and incredible of a villain showdown! But instead as you said, they had this version that gets off scott free because his version didn't do it? And 5 and LILA?! WHAT......actually wtf was that. 5 would have never done this. He only centers his family throughout the series - that is what drives him. Even to his and the family's detriment and toxicity. For him to betray Diego so severly and then they both die never making amends....Also it's really gross and weird to me. Goodness fucking gracious. Netflix is capable of creating such beautiful tv shows. It is really sad and horrible that they would care so little to have a show end as swiftly as possible that they are willing to make these kinds of decisions. Lower budget, fine. Awful but fine. But at least allow them with what episodes they have to focus on the family so it at least makes SOME sense for an ending that would befit them all. I get they can't make us all happy but I have yet to see anyone else like what they did. Hats off to the actors for doing the best they could and smiling through it in interviews. I can't imagine how they feel behind the scenes. It feels like they assasinated all their characters.
I wish I could like this video twice. This show was so special to me. Especially when they'd include a BANGER soundtrack. This season started with one song and it was a good intro but then it seemed like the entire rest of the show was literally AI generated. All the action shots seemed like they were by geriatric stunt doubles filmed in slow mo, and the CGI was awful, then the writing was... nothing
I know some people love it, but I absolutely hated the fact that Reginald was the one that ended Ben and Jennifer. He sent the kids with Pogo across the world to an extremely secure location and like 2 minutes after getting called by Luther he magically appears ?? If he could have just ended Jennifer himself within minutes, why would a super genius alien even risk the kids coming in contact with her? That doesn't seem like something he would actually do. It would've been better if Ben set the charge and heard Jen knocking from inside the container but before he could investigate the guards heard the knocking too and distracted him. while he fights off the goons, the rest of the family hears him struggling and runs back to aid him but right before they meet-up again, BOOM! the bomb goes off taking Ben, Jen, and the surrounding goons with them. Luther grows up blaming himself for not being a good enough leader. The other feel bad for forcing Ben to go when he didn't even want to. And THEN they find out that there was a girl in the container the whole time. So now they have to deal with the extra layer of "we would've never agreed to go had we known the truth Reginald kept from us."
Heck, they even explained IN THE SHOW that their kids wouldn't exist, and then it was like they just decided after 5 seconds on a flip of a dime that the kids would be fine. What?? How??? EXPLAIN. But they just didn't explain! It was delusional. Lila putting the family on the subway was ridiculous, because WHERE is that subway even going if there are not gonna be any other timelines anymore??! Ma'am, you're sending them into the void, it's a MOOT in five minutes! Congratulations, you did nothing!
The whole season is basically a paradox. Like if they never got the marigold back in the beginning the ending wouldve never happened. Comics are officially better and it hurts to say cause the show had massive potential season to season. Something must've happened behind the scenes, especially since they cancelled Sparrow Academy...weird. Them mentioning saving the Eiffel Tower, which is from the comics is the coolest part of this season.
I feel sorry for the team that they didn’t have enough budget for this season. At the same time if they didn’t have the budget, I wish they could make it to a 4 episode or a movie with 2.5hour length, so they could focus on important part of the story, concluding character arcs, and better CGI.
Game of Thrones...Killing Eve...and, now, Umbrella Academy. Shows whose final season felt like they were written by a staff that hated the show they were overseeing. :(
I agree with this review so much!! Complete waste of Klaus, giving him these pointless tangents instead of a real storyline for this beloved character. I could not stand Gene and Jean, ridiculous tacked on villains who were annoying at best, so awkward and off from the tone of the series. The Ben and Jennifer thing felt like the beginning of what could have been an interesting story, but it was way too rushed and ended as a cheap knockoff of "The Fly" and "The Blob", like... what?? I could buy Five and Lila turning to each other if trapped with no one else for 7 years and as she said, it was "survival" but to leave a huge loose end and then wipe them all out felt lazy and did not do the series justice at all. No real closure with Reg because the mean guy that gave them all their issues wasn't actually there. I was waiting in that park scene for some other seed, or a strange twisty cliffhanger, hoping that THIS was not the "actual" end...
it seems like the writers had the story before knowing it would be just 6 episodes, so they had to cut some parts and leave others out, so is like we missed some parts.
@@SpaceKrakenMedia yeah i know lol theres literally no excuse for how this turned out. The reason (not excuse just reasoning behind it) i believe it turned out this way was netflix cut there budget compared to other seasons, writers were like screw it cause its the last season AND they had less budget.
@@ashleycox8480 Netflix are dogs for cutting the eps and budget but they surely didn’t force the writers to make the decisions they made Most if not all the biggest issues are script issues I feel
All ur points were spot on for how my family and I felt about the final season. Unsatisfying, pointless, and underwhelming truly so sum up the final season. Thx for ur review!
The only part that almost worked was Viktor's plan to suck the powers out of Ben. Except maybe I wasn't paying attension but I thought he was going to take the marigold out of Ben?? If Viktor took the durango he has marigold in him too so...?!??! I don't see why they couldn't have had Viktor need to take all the marigold in himself and sacrifice himself for the family at the end. It would be sad, still unsatisfying, but better than whatever the hell I just watched. At the very least they should have had the main cast show up in the green park and have it be the afterlife and then bicycle lady/god show up and be like oh shit you guys can't be here.
The thing with Five and Lila is that I think the "Getting lost in the subplot" part would have worked if it wasn't with Lila. He has this blonde, young assistant guy in the CIA and in the first episode. And the way they interacted in their first dialogue I thought it could have room for a romance story there. And so then when episode 5 came along I wished they'd just put that guy in there with Five. Like I don't even know if that assistant guy has a name, he barely has any lines and almost no Screentime, but I think the concept of the seemingly unimportant CIA colleague of Five forced to spend 7 years with him and using that time to find out all the crazy shit that's been going on in the Hargreeves family could have been cool, all while Five would have had someone outside of his family that he can protect (aside from a literal mannequin). You can let assistant guy die in the end, or let him be part of the CIA agents that were actually part of Gene and Jeans group and it would still have made for a more compelling love story for Five than what they did with him and Lila. Hell, you could even let Diego and the others still be mad at Five for randomly leaving them to do his own missions again without communicating anything, which arguably also played into the apocalypses of season 1 and 2. That even would have been a conflict they could have resolved before the end, and that would have felt way more interesting IMO than the cheating plot, because it would have involved flaws that the siblings have been dealing with their whole lives
aww that would have been so cute - the romance between five and the blonde guy because he seems like the shy, awkward, can never be seen type of character. Put that with somebody like five and damn, it would have been so cute...also, keep him just a normal human with no powers. that means five would have to work harder to protect him.
When I watched the scene at the beginning of the season when Lila and Five are in the cafe with Diego watching, she wipes food off his mouth, and I literally said out loud "they better not fuckin do this." I started to feel a bit of relief as we went on but then we got to the part where they were stuck in the tube time travel. I felt so uncomfortable throughout the whole montage. And then when they actually KISSED, I was gagging. Mostly because knowing that the actress that plays Lila met Aiden Gallagher when he was like 14-15 years old I think. Obviously not her choice, she's just an actor doing what she's told essentially. But afterwards, I seen a clip of the two of them being interviewed and she says that one of the writers let it slip to her at an after party of S3 finale about the "romance." Which means, they were actively planning this when Aiden was underage... The whole thing just creeps me out. And it's the only thing really that's stopping me from giving S4 a second watch to actually figure out how I feel about the whole thing.
I really thought there was going to be a time jump at the end that showed all the members being born naturally into the world in different places, not knowing each other or having powers, but just being normal people and happy.
The kids surviving made me so angry out of just pure lack of logic, it made no sense at all they even address it early on in the series with the grandfather paradox that if you were to kill your grandfather you'd never exist. Same thing with Alison and Claire, when they were in a different timeline Claire obviously didn't exist as Allison never existed in that timeline to give birth to her. And yet they erase their own existence completely but their kids still exist. So stupid it's like did you watch your own show before writing the last season of it?
@@joanapereira8011 hahaha I know right! It’s not like the show didn’t get this kinda stuff the entire series , why now did they forget about this stuff ? Baffling
Imagine, instead of becoming a stripper, Luther spent the first few years in the new universe finding Sloane. After accepting that she is dead, he would have become a rebel leader/terrorist who wants to overthrow the Hargreevs Empire at any cost, even if it means sacrificeing his life. and if he had then gotten his powers back exactly as they were before he became a hybrid, he could have given humanity new hope and become the hero he always wanted to be. and then if he had sacrificed himself at the end, he would have been welcomed into the afterlife by Sloane. I hope that at some point someone at Netflix decides to revive the series, just like Marvel did with X-MEN 97' Netflix really gave us the worst ending ever not even lost or Game of Thrones could compete with this garbage, even show other that got cancelled without the privilege of having a final season like Altered Carbon or Constantine had better endings.
You just know the writers looked at each other and said, "Holy shit, we can't kill kids!" and made them exist where they shouldn't and we're supposed to be relieved because those dumb kids we don't care about lived.
Victor was able to give powers to Harland and then take it back. Why couldn't Victor take the marigold from the others and other Victor have to erase himself? He was by far the least favorite of the family.
Why not simply destroy the bottle of marigold in the beginning to prevent everything from happening? Five could've easily jumped back in time to that point to do that, but nope..
I'm gonna pretend like it ended in season 2, Harlan didn't kill their mothers, they just had an epic dance battle with the Sparrows and then decided that they are all great dancers so they formed one big happy team who save the world with the power of music
The family being alive really makes absolute no sense, but what really annoys me with it, is the fact that they explained the grandpa pardox in the show in the second season and made it such a big deal just to forget about it and not care anymore
@@crybaby-uq3oc yeh it’s baffling. They know it makes no sense in the context of the lore they have established so it’s even more bizzare they just did it anyway
2 things wit the 5 & Lila storyline, I wasn’t all the way mad at it because it was at least more interesting than everything else going on at the time & Lila was flat out honest wit 5 about it being about “survival” , another thing is it coulda happened & they just kept it secret, cause I agree it’s horrible that 5 & Diego died hating each other
it seems like the writers had the story before knowing it would be just 6 episodes, so they had to curt some parts and leave toher nd everyting got messy. their relationship was okay for me, i feel so bad for Five, since he's been though so much already and never gets to be happy like the others, but they sure needed like 2 more episodes to develop that situation
This is how I would’ve done it… Luther sees Sloan out.. but she has no memories of anything…. Even him.. there are many other Reginald’s all over the world with an academy… then they find out they are in an entire new other earth that there is a worm hole to travel to the one with their original timeline…. The hotel was the worm hole…. 5 is in the other earth with old Ben and Klause… meanwhile they are also in the new earth, but none of the others know that it’s not really them … they have a plot to get to our earth… Lila has the powers to get back to our earth through flashes and she realizes that something is not right something isn’t right with the 5 that she knew… but end up telling the fake klause not knowing he’s also not the real one… but Diego feels something isn’t right with klause… and him and Lila have teenage kids that somehow have powers too but they don’t tell anyone…. And they have a freind this big tall kid who ends up being Luther’s son… but no one knows he sees Sloan pick up the kid from school.. and realizes that could be his son… victor sees Vanya ( which they probably won’t do that) but vanya is really really bad villain… but ends up being good and falls in love with victor… 😜 ok scratch that0&@@😮 victor builds his bar where the hotel use to be.. not knowing there is worm hole in the parking lot where the park was.. under a tree… gohst Ben somehow finds the worm hole to find the others… because they are nowhere on our earth… in the worm hole are the different time lines … in the end they all choose which time line they feel most at home… then we get to robotics scene where all the Reginald’s are basically controlling their lives…. To be continued ( I think it’s better than the damn squid thing) I’m too tired to keep typing but I have other thoughts on how it should’ve been… ohhhh and the one dude in the season 3 the old man with the dog he also returns with a big part … maybe someone that’s been after Reginald maybe he built Reginald and he’s a AI 😀😀😀😀 like the mom …. And the ape dude ends up on planet of the apes… TBC
Ik Netflix only gave them 6 episodes, but if they weren't willing to do 10, it should have at least been 7, with each episode dedicated to a sibling (can literally name the episodes #1, #2, #3, etc.) where see closure for each of them and then they come together to defeat Hargreeves
You spoke nothing but FACTS!!!! I absolutely hated the ending. It was so bad, I don't think I will ever re-watch the show. I agree with every word you said.
Just seen the ending and yes, season 4 ending was just a disappointment... It was rushed and had 0 emotional impact or anything at all, besides that... I felt like there were indeed other ways to "save" everything... Either killing Ben/Jennifer or simply destroying that bottle of Mariogold at the beginning.. Also, the entire metro system wasn't even properly explained and left me with a few questions such as: - Who build it? - What did the text on the wall mean? - Who in the heck was the person or entity that you heard on the intercom in the train carts? Also, Five could've saved the world easily but choose not to because he's apparently not smart enough to spot such a obvious way to do so.. Even when he's supposed to be like stupidly smart...
@@Razer5542 all good points. The train thing was never explained properly at all , probably coz it’s just random stuff thrown together with no rhyme or reason. Yeh so many other ways to end it without the erasing themselves . So annoying .
Thank you hated the “oh there is a deeper meaning” bull ending was horrible. You know what they should have did make the timeline restart and lead it into a prequel so we can see them as kids
It’s funny my favorite characters were originally (Umbrella) Ben, Five, and Klaus eventually grew on me (but I found him extremely annoying till season 2). And then after growing to like them those 3 probably had the worst done to them. Sad…
i think it wouldve gone crazy if, instead of erasing them from existence, they removed the marigold like you said. to keep that "august 8, 2024 was an ordinary day" note, they couldve framed it as it created our world. like showing the umbrellas reborn as fictionalized versions of the actors. at least thatd be more memorable and somewhat less egregious. if they REALLY wanted to end the story
Wait, I disagree with you about one thing, the Reginald in this universe did know who they are and was even protecting Jennifer so he had an understanding of both marigold and Durango… remember when they pulled up to his mansion and the security security guard knew all of them by name… there was also no point in the show where the family had to explain to this regional that they were his kids or anything
I wonder what you would do if you were stuck with a hot chick for 7 years alone. It's gross because you're thinking of the actors instead of the characters which makes you weird, not them. If Five can fall in love with a mannequin, what makes you think he wouldn't fall in love with a real woman after being stuck with her for 7 years. The only bad part was when he didn't want to go back after finding the way out. Klaus has been on side missions in every season. His hopelessness is why his character is good. Turning him into another Luther would be true assassination. The ending makes perfect sense. It's not happy and satisfying, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. The problem is their existence as a family, not the marigold alone. The fact that they went on this tumultuous journey to save the world yet no one even knows about their existence embodies the theme of the show perfectly.
i was convinced they were gonna go against Reginald to rescue Sloane.... 18:00 the families living without the parents existing was literally the grandfather paradox, wich is literally the plot of season 3 and the reason of the Kugerblitz and that timeline/world was destroyed...
6:00 my only thoughts to defend this timelines Reggie is that by bringing back his wife he lost that edge that made him like the other Reggie’s ? Nd I’m grasping cuz I love the series lol
Terrible ending to a great show A better ending i thought would have been if the marigold didn't infect the mothers and they were born to live normal lives Or keep travelling back to finding the mothers and interfere with the mothers marigold infecting them Total disappointment
Another thing that is barely tought of in the epilogue with the family existing without their parents like, did we not learn from season 3? They just created a grandfather paradox, the new world is just gonna face a kugelblitz because they insisted on their family to live on
Idk how Five being the most intelligent, big picture, plotting character couldnt figure out that CIA members were keepers. How did he have a 2 minute conversation with himself at this point realize that he had to end their existence. Just didnt seem like enough.
Not knowing it was only 6 eps beforehand I was ok with these side stories hoping they would go somewhere. Then it ended at eps 6 and I was like what??? Now I feel betrayed. If not for the phenomenal acting of this amazing cast, this was such a huge wasted opportunity to close out what has been an amazing run. I'm mean -(spoilers) 5 and Lila have an affair, she chooses Diego, so 5 goes to sulk and bumps into 20 versions of himself who quit saving the world and started a deli and tell him everyone has to die. So instead of hype monster battle with new powers they just all agree to die....dumb.
The whole premise, just like the last season,didn't make sense. The Cleanse happens because the Academy has Marigold in them...but the season started without that and they later drank it. Restart the timeline and /don't/ drink the Marigold next time. Everyone gets to live, without powers, just like they collectively voted for. Not to mention the Marigold itself was a random maguffin that magically appeared.
This was a complete rip-off of the ending of Dark. Jonas and Martha sacrifice themselves to save the timeline and end the infinite time loops. Only it was much more poignant ending, and they did it 5 years ago. Want to see a time paradox show done right, watch Dark.
I'm so glad you said a flashback episode for Reginald. I would have loved to learn about his story as a alien. What is the origin of the Marigold. Do these aliens use it somehow? Is it like the Spice from Dune? I realize that this episode would be heavily CGI but holy crap...make it a cartoon. Absolutely no one would have had a problem with a cartoon style episode telling the story of the alien Reginald. And it would not have cost too much. Come on Netflix. This show was so obviously pushed out at the door as quickly as possible just to get it over with. Such a massive let down.
@@Pedigru I actually LOVE the idea of making it cartoon that would be really cool. Avoid bad cheap cgi issues, fun stylistic choice and do some fun awesome animation that gives the ep a unique feel and flavours Great idea
Great video until your alternative ending. I think that is just the flip side to the same coin. For me, another "we sacrificed ourselves to save the world but herrrrrrre we go again" would have been frustrating. Considering the lack of time and money, I feel the only satisfactory ending would have been akin to Fringe. One of the seven sacrifice themselves to reset/save the world/timeline (whatever). Have the sappy ending in the park, but have the rest of the seven and a very brief moment of "did they just recognise each other?" The bond is so strong, that blood, timelines, multiverses, or no, they will always have a bond. I realise if Marigold didn't exist the seven would never have been born, but I still think that would have been a better ending than seeing those three dudes who i completely forgot about playing badminton.
@@DC11373 oh no that’s very fair, i cliffhanger ending would not be for everyone , I’ve read a bunch of fan ideas in the comments that are really good and keep the bittersweet theme they were going for there but do it way better. My idea was off the dome on a whim with no brainstorming haha But also I don’t mind a fun silly ending not all shows need the sappy dramatic end. But honestly, anything. Almost anything besides erasing them from existence would be better.
@@DC11373 I like your idea of the potential of them remembering . Kinda a bit Nolan esque with some of his endings, up to interpretation with whether or not they will become friends or not, how much do they remember, ect ect
Great review! The season had a couple parts that made me laugh but overall it might be on my top 3 worst finale seasons ever. The plot lines of 5, Klause, even Victor being a whiny bitch the entire season annoyed me. For them to never exist was such lazy writing. I did enjoy Diego and Luther teammate up at the CIA but other than that, awful.
@@williamcowell1889 yeh if I had to give a positive I didn’t hate the cia fight. Bit of fun. Curious, wats the other 2 that make the top of the list of worst finales? And thnx for watching glad u enjoyed
@@SpaceKrakenMedia The CIA scene was fun. Don’t get me wrong there was some moments that made me laugh, but overall just awful how they ended it. Worst finales ever has to be Umbrella, GoT and How I met your mother . The final season was good and I enjoyed it until the last 5 mins where they had Robin and Barney divorce so it negated all the buildup of prior episodes , then Ted and Robin eventually get back together in the end. Which was so, so dumb.
Season 1 : 🔥
Season 2 : 🗿
Season 3 : 🙂
Season 4 : 🤡
honestly s3 wasn't even that bad it was just the pacing & it was kinda boring if the plot with the sparrows could have been better it would've been peak also evil allison plot could have been better but it was still 10 x better than s4 lmao
Can we talk about how badly used Gene and Jean were!? Like I’m convinced if you removed them and jennefer from the story nothing would change
They tried to make a cool duo, but they will never even compare to Hazel and Cha cha
yup can agree more
and page is a guy i legit counted watch it because of it.
Season 4 was a hot turd
@@yvngmoses4579 100% agree
They butchered Five and Lila, forgot about Ray and Sloane, and decided to just kill all the characters who we got attached to by the end.
They didn't forget abt Ray, I forgot who but someone, this season, mentioned that he left Allison within the six years after the s3 ending. Again, he was mentioned but it did feel like nobody remembered abt him 😅
@@IDontLikePhysics one of the big things I despise abt this season is how little everything is explained, like why is jennifer inside a squid? what abt the others who were born w/ marigold whem the family sacrificed themselves? where was Sloane? Why didn't Viktor take the marigold from the family and sacrifice himself? That would've saved most of them I feel like, idk, this season disappointed me MASSIVELY 😅🫠
@@JonasaurusRexGoesRawrklaus mentioned this :)
Who they really forgot about was Dave!!! I’ve been waiting two seasons for any closure there.
@@JonasaurusRexGoesRawrThat’s honestly really dumb of the writers. They just didn’t want to pay the actor or smth
This bothers me more than it should but Luther becoming part ape again doesn't make sense because Reginald did that to him not the marigold
And they didn't even do anything with him becoming part ape again. It could've been a great source of angst or character development but no. He seemed mildly annoyed and then it was never acknowledged again. The show didn't even make good use of its plotholes
@@Tisbilly You're absolutely correct. I didn't even think about that.
@@Tisbilly they made like one half-funny joke and that was it
That is exactly what I thought!!! That was not his superpower.
That was my first thought. I litterally said out loud, "I wonder if Luther's powers will come back now without the ape body." Because that's what makes sense! But nopeee. Nothing makes sense this season!!
I hated the ending so much that iv spent the last 24 hours watching videos about people hating the ending.
Same 🤣. I am still trying to understand why the ending ended the way it did
@@LisaPlansArt 😂😂
HELP SAME
SAME
Same. I even waited a bit since I figured it was a bad sign that I saw one trailer and basically no talk.
It was 6 episodes of "ok... but why, though?"
I was actively saying, "No... no... come on," by the time they hit the reset on Klaus.
It was like the season for character assassination and bad resolution.
Some on the internet have brought up a really good point:
This is a show about people recovering from child abuse. The show’s resolution was not for them to move forward but to unalive themselves - that’s what fixed everything. And that’s a terrible message
soo true ! and the fact that they absolve their abuser by making him an alternate version of himself that is then victimised at the end w all his murderous tendencies softened away. it's so upsetting
@@decomposinglavender oh god, Reginald’s redemption infuriated me
I can see where some would take that interpretation and it is indeed dark.
@@paulieboy6644 that is deeply upsetting and uncomfortable. I didn’t make that connection at all but u r 100% right. that’s a REALLY HORRIBLE message .
@@decomposinglavender so true. Really upsetting.
its crazy how Umbrella academy had only 2 seasons. the show deserved more
Nah season 3 was good, Klaus finally mastering his powers with Reggie was the highlight of the series for me
@@notsuretbh7215could have been better but still good since they left the protagonists finally rest from destroying the world again
If they wanted to go the noble sacrifice route, they should have had them all die, then in a final scene have them all show up at a bar or diner. They all were born normally to their original mothers, none of them know each other, they grew up separate and normal. The final scene is them all dancing to some song that comes on with their respective partners or in the crowd, maybe even have Diego and Lila dancing together/near each other to imply they end up together again after this. So they're having the dance scene from every season be the final thing, tying them together but separate. It's bittersweet that they're not siblings anymore, but they ended up having happy, full lives anyways.
This is genius
That would have been so much better!
Bro came up with a better ending in the 23min of the video than the whole final hour of the episode
U should’ve wrote the scripts
@@annienunyabiz6627 amazing idea. Love it
I was kinda hoping that Vicktor would take all the Marigold from the siblings, and be the only one to sacrifice themselves to the apocalypse. Especially since the apocalypse seamed to revolve around Vicktor in almost every season. It would have come full circle for why they saved Vicktor at the end of season one since it was his destiny to cause or prevent the apocalypse. Then we could have seen the rest of the UA living happily in the restored timeline with no marigold and no apocalypse.
It would have also shown Vicktor’s forgiveness to his family after everything that had been done. And it would have reflected on the convo Five had with Vicktor in the third season, where he was trying to make Vicktor decide whether or not to be a hero or a villain.
@@josiahmcvety916 great idea. Would have been WAY better then what we got. Perfectly ties together all the seasons and is sad but happy. Actual bittersweet rather then just Bitter
That’s not possible. How would they exist in the OG timeline when they themselves are a product of the marigold? But Let’s say there’s an alternate solution; They’d need five to blink them into the subway, so he’d need to keep the marigold and as a result, die too. It’s gotta be a two man sacrifice, there’s no other option.
i@@manymomath5466 They was not products of marigold. They was already born in the womb of their mothers way before the marigold found its way to them.
@@ShiftNova no, the woman gave birth when they weren’t pregnant the day before. It’s shown on the first episode. They became pregnant BECAUSE of the marigold
The park scene makes zero sense. Even ignoring the fact that Claire/Grace/the twins shouldn't exist, there is no reason for all of the side characters to be in the exact same space and time. No UA means no Commission, so why are the Swedes in America? How did Hazel and Agnes meet? How do Herb and Dot know each other? What kind of cosmic consequence leads all these random people (whose ONLY connection is the now non-existent UA) to be in the exact same place and not spread out among time and space?
Yeah, I really have no idea how they thought "Yes, that idea sounds good, let's do that!"
I think the thought of that is the were on the train when the times were collapsing and they get off the train it's the only timeline left. Still It was dumb.
@@saskia9720 omg 😂😂🤣😑😑😑 u have perfectly summed up why that annoyed me so much. It was so cartoony but I hadn’t even really bothered to think about JUST hot dumb nonsense it really is that they all know each other.
Also literally none of the siblings is doing anything of actual importance during the entire season other than victor. Diego and Luther are wasting time at the CIA, accomplishing nothing. Klaus is a germaphobe and then a sex slave, and then buried alive. Alison saves Klaus but again does nothing of importance to the main storyline. Ben is creating the problem rather than solving it. 5 is stuck in a different timeline sleeping with his brother's wife and then finally shows up just to say "we all need to not exist anymore, that's all".
@@joanapereira8011 yeh it’s such an odd choice of side missions . If only we could have just had them all doing the main quest
Pointlessness is the recurring theme of this season. There were fewer episodes this season and still it seemed like so much filler. Anyone involved with the writing of this season would do well to excise it from their resume.
the five and lila thing made me so mad. first of all, the actors are 15 years apart so that already felt gross. second of all, five is half her age physically and she is half is age mentally. third of all, SO LAZY!!! wanna give five a love interest? fine. make it a CIA agent that he has to work with who’s been looking into the keepers for years. that’d be “better” (if they HAVE to give him a love interest). just so lazy.
It would've been way cooler if they could have a PLATONIC close friendship and they actually start to feel like family. But no, it's gotta be romantic because... reasons. I love romance, but fucking hell, ENOUGH. There are other dynamics than romantic ones!! It's just so narrow-minded!
@@baleighmiller9692 yeh it is so gross . I agree if u HAD to do it( which u don’t at all) a new character would be a much better choice
@@tonichan89 exactly!
This is a stupid idea but itd be pretty fun:
Have Five and Klaus get stuck together. Theyre the fan favorites, and you could explore their dynamic. Maybe Klaus still has some leftover ocd and angst at getting the marigold. Maybe his powers come in handy for subway exploration. Klaus is a damsel in distress the entire season, and a huge part of his character in general is feeling useless. Hell, maybe he and five get into an argument because Klaus wants to find a timeline where Dave is alive (the show couldve done a better job using that trauma in seasons 3 and 4...) And while the two of them are stuck, Lila and Diego can deepen their marriage bond and get over their issues. They can kick some ass together, which can remind them why they got married in the first place. Then five, diego, and lila can all die on good terms
Another thing that bothered me is that two grumpy old men got nerfed this season. Five and Reginald both got lobotomized. What happened to the grump doing complex equations in his room and looking down on his young, naive siblings? What happened to the mysterious old man looking down on the city ominously from his tower? The show couldve easily explored reginalds apathy for human life and made for an excellent villian. Instead we get a sad, lonely, demystified old man. And five. Oh, five. It was so hard to buy him as a jaded old man trapped in a kids body. Im tired of yapping but im considering rewriting the show as a little side project
Also like why couldn't five be happy he's in a younger body? There's more flexibility in a younger body.
i heavily agree with you on the last part about old man five, and i think that’s why the five/lila storyline felt SO wrong to me since he truly felt like an 18 year old boy this entire season. quite literally got to a point where i’d forgotten that he was supposed to be in his late 60s!!!
@@Tisbilly I love those ideas. Waaaaay better then wat we got. Trapping Klaus and 5 together is a genius idea. And giving Lila and Diego time to actually resolve there issues wud b nice too
The last episode doesn’t make any sense with the families being alive. It literally ruins the lore already set. Them being alive would LITERALLY CREATE A GRANDFATHER PARADOX 🤦♀️
exactlyy did they even remember what they wrote or at least rewatch the previous seasons before spewing out s4
The actors looked like they didn't want to be there anymore. Every other plot besides the main mission was not needed, and even then the main plot felt shitty rushed.
They probably didn't want to be there after they read the script and the ending. And I don't blame them for a second.
It's almost like they set out with the goal of creating an ending that's somehow less satisfying than "it was all a dream."
Not to mention how weak some of the performances were, I’m sorry I just don’t buy the Ben actor as a “bad guy” he just comes off so out of his element
I would’ve been happy if at the end, they all wake up and it’s the start of season 4 and it was just a dream and season 5 is actually good.
Character assassination all around. Robbed of Elite Reggie... 😢
I really disagree with people that didn’t like the ending. I understand the issues with it coming on too quick, but the umbrella academy being the common denominator when it comes to the apocalypse feels perfectly on brand to me.
@@zew1368 I don't think anyone is complaining about the Umbrella Academy kids being the problem. It's how everything surrounding that was framed that was one of the many issues with the writing. The show has a really bad problem of setting things up that don't pay off. And that applies to the series as a whole. The ending rendered everything that came before it both pointless and even more random and nonsensical than the show has been since the start of season 3. The ending made emotional sense, but once you start thinking about most plot beats that came before it the cause to effect line of logic falls completely apart. I haven't consumed the comic myself but it feels like the writers of the show put the rule of cool over everything else.
This final season had SO SO SO MUCH potential, it’s just heartbreakingly disappointing. It feels like yearning for something I never got.
The ending reminded me of LOST: they spent the last season running around doing nothing of importance, and then killed the characters.
I love Lost, I think the ending was beautiful. They didn’t ruin any of the characterization of the characters in the last season, in the very least. Umbrella Academy not only had a terrible plot the last season, but literally zero of the character motivations and actions made no sense whatsoever. Remember how great the show was in the first two seasons? Even season 3 has some great and memorable moments. But season 4? There’s not one single scene that I loved or appreciated. No character did anything that made any sense. The humor was awful. They ruined Five, one of the best characters in the show. I can list positive things about Lost. Most of the characters had complete character arcs. The same definitely cannot be said about Umbrella Academy.
Allison finding ray, Luther finding Sloane, Five unpuzzling the secrets of Reginald, Klaus being kidnapped by Reginald, Lila and Diego fighting new villains Jene gean, Vicktor solving mystery of ben's death etc would have been better stories arcs for them than the storylines they actually gave to the characters!!!!
My opinion :)
@@CauseimtheflashAbsolutely agree
The difference is the characters in the umbrella academy are actually interesting
Lost atleast earned its ending.
That Diego and Five start BRAWLING in the middle of everything was RIDICULOUS! It doesn't matter how much two brothers hate each other over a woman when they're fking LITERALLY in the last minutes of trying to stop an apocalypse, they're not gonna start brawling at a time like that! Not even Diego! Fck sake, the guy has **children**, you'd think he'd care more about them not being wiped from the face of the earth!
@@tonichan89 great point. So dumb
The fact that the actors and cinematographers did great this season but it all get’s ruined by the most terrible writing I’ve ever seen in my life. Who ever wrote this and approved of this needs to be fired and banned from working on anything creative for the rest of existence.
@@davisinfin8 ye so true. So many people work in so many different departments on a show and even if every single one of them is delivering 200% it wont matter if the writing sucks.
Such a shame and I feel so bad for everyone who spent so long on this thing that was never gonna work or be liked at all
The thing that saved season 3 for me (apart from Klaus and Five) was the ending BECAUSE it set up season 4 for so many possibilities, possible family bonding, and the siblings finally "beating" their big bad monster of a dad (or at least deliver some kind of conclusion).
Not only did that NOT HAPPEN but also they single-handedly sent the three previous seasons down the drain, along with every and each crumb of character development we had gotten thus far and basically ruined all the plotlines, the characters, and introduced a creepy, awkward, VERY UNCOMFORTABLE romantic relationship that gave everyone the ick both on and off screen.
I am appalled, disgusted, disappointed, very very sad for our beloved characters and cast that clearly adored and worked so hard on this series, and I will definitely pretend this abomination of an ending never happened.
@@King_Jonghyun yeh 100%
The end of s3 is so hype .
But I guess it was the worst time of hype. Fake hype
Completely agree on the ending of S3! And the best arc during s3 was Klaus who was already my favorite character AND I think I am not alone in saying I started off hating the idea of the new imposter UE, but grew to actually like the ones that didn't die in the beginning. Especially Sloan since she gave Luthors character WAY more depth not that he even needed it.
I feel like with the ending they tried to go for bitter-sweet, but they hugely misbalanced the bitter to sweet ratio. Erasing all the stuff we care about is way more bitter than how sweet it is to see all the random sidecharacters frolic on a field.
I feel like if you truly wanted to go with bitter-sweet it would have been way better to go with something like instead of erasing the characters we care about, erase their connections to each other. Make it so that in the new timeline they exist, but they grew up seperately without powers. Show how their lives might have gone that way. Doing this not only still preserves the sacrificial element of the ending but also gives people closure about the characters they love, finally seeing them live a normal, happy life. If you wanted to you could even add some scenes where they run into each other as some kind of fated encounter. All that would be better than what is basically the more elaborate version of "And then I woke up and it was all a dream"
Such a good idea, i don’t know how fans can come up with better ideas than the people behind the show could
Sounds like the end of angel beats and I'm all for it
That’s literally what I thought was gonna happen but then for some reason they decided to do the whole side characters in the park thing which was really stupid
@@moricetamol very good point about the bittersweet. I still would have not loved that end as that makes me sad but it is 100% better then what they went with and preserves what they were trying to achieve. Shame you weren’t in the writers room. Great end suggestion
@@alexasalas6189 so true. And often it’s just a thought they had on a whim after watching , whereas the writers brainstorm for months (years?) so it’s a real shame when fan ideas aren’t just good but objectively better
THANK YOU! You’re the fourth reviewer I’ve watched and you’re the only one that mentioned the complete nonsense of them worrying so much about their kids making it to another timeline when A)every other timeline is going to be wiped out, and B)they can’t have ever been born if their parents never existed. It was so much time wasted for an emotional payoff for no one. It was such a waste of screen time for a 6 episode finale.
@@commandercorner5575 wild to me that’s not something everyone complained about haha
It’s.. so bad and dumb
First let me say I went in blind so I didn’t even know it was only 6 episodes, so imagine my shock . I thought the story was just starting at the end. The CGI was terrible and all of the character storylines were trash. My next door neighbor who is “finding himself” could have done better. I waited so long for this show and the ending really broke my heart.
Yup. Got to episode 6, thinking it was really about to take off... And then... Nothing.. the end... Over... Bye.. done.
Glad I wasn't the only one whose immersion was broken by that ghost dog
This is why I can't hate on the writers. Imagine having a story, but being told it needs to go from 10 episodes to 6 and that your budget is reduced. You'd be fucked with getting a half decent story out, as evidenced by what's happened here. There should be more hate directed towards Netflix who will happily destroy a show to save money, without care about how it'll affect the show
@@Omiiee I have seen people write amazing stories and have almost no budget for movies like Clerks, Rocky, Halloween, Mad Max and etc but they couldn’t tie this up? They tapped out and probably use AI for half of it. The storyline made no sense and they could have gotten cheaper talent to be supporting cast if money was part of their issue. There are tons of actors we barely see that probably would have been excellent and cheaper like Peter Stormare- look him up and you definitely know him.
At this point they should have just drawn inspiration from the fan forums and they could have locked in this story and even dumped this seasons writer’s. I have seen at least 6 different people on RUclips come up with plots that would have been incredible but instead they went the lane route of adding cheating, sex, making the Black woman a single mother with no explanation, S. trafficking, the nice guy is suddenly single/ lonely and giving a gross PDF feel with Five since he looked like a kid kissing his aunt. They killed this series just like they did GOT.
I didn't mind Klaus's storyline at the start of the season; as out of all characters him losing immortality would have been the most drastic change and him going full 180 from his original character in season one to hopefully eventually find a middle ground when he inevitably regained his powers would have been a nice ending. But sadly that wasn't the direction it went he regained his powers ghosted through a few cars and then some how ended up being held hostage and needing to escape being ghost pimped (you just showed him using ghosting writers...) and he ended up his season one character again completely undoing three seasons of character development...
And it was played for laughs which I just found very fucked up. Imagine Klaus being a woman and getting ghost pimped. It would rightfully be played as something violating and bad instead of hahaha look how funny he acts
@@wasnlos2676 yeh that was my issue with it. The tone was very off
@@pipuk3 I agree
Klaus being afraid of death could have worked if it had developed into something better by the end
Have you seen the deleted scenes of Klaus?
I didn't think I would watch a show whose ending disappointed me, and which I would find less fulfilling, than that of The Doom Patrol,.... and then i watched Umbrella Academy Season 4. No happy endings. Just the erasure of everyone we had been gotten attached to. All the characters we loved to watch, just gone.
Also, SO. MANY. PLOT HOLES. There were 43 kids that got the Marigold and Hargreeves only got 7. So, what about them? Wouldn't they have had to sacrifice too, in order to save the world?
the show really never bothered to explain the other kids. my gess is they died
Valid, valid, soooo valid. Why did these 8 have to be sacrificed? Wouldn't all of them have to be sacrificed? It's just a slap to the fans.
I did not know that the ending of Doom Patrol is considered terrible. I am sad now.
@@elizabethhuber434 I don't know if everyone thought it was, but I certainly didn't care for the ending.
The other kids most likely existed, but was never give the marigold. As this marigold wasn't spreading through the air, but contained in it container, only being disbursed out to our characters. No one had powers in this timeline.
I'm far more satisfied waching all the reviews shitting on this season than I was watching it past episode 3, when I realized it had to end poorly. It will go down in my personal tv show watching history as one of the worst endings to a show that started out so amazing, right along side Lost and Dexter. What a damn shame, I'm so disappointed and it made me so genuinely frustrated and angry with Netflix, they just destroyed the ending.
4:05 I swear, why was Reginald not the bad guy??? Everything built up to it but there was no point?
He was the bad guy. He should have put a hole in Jennifer's head when she came out of the squid. His "hubris" doomed them all.
Dude when you were talking about Five and them assassinating his character I was literally nodding and saying yes yup yeah out loud to everything. This is spot on and im gutted one of my fave shows ended so poorly
@@elrondriel it’s nice when a random can all come together and agree. It sucks when it’s because it’s just so bad.
Five and Lyla did not have time to get lost in the subway for an entire episode 🤦♂️
Would’ve been powerful if UA plot revealed that the apocalypse was attached to one sibling on all timelines, so that person (Victor) martyred themselves so everyone else can go on.
They wouldn't dare imply that killing the transgender character would make everythiing correct. I stand by my belief that hellen page should have waited after the show was finished to do whatever she wanted. The sx change massively affected the plot, I feel like that's what would have happened in the end.
@@stylishmusic4012bro thats a crazy opinion
@@stylishmusic4012sometimes its best to keep opinions to yourself. being transphobic in 2024 is truly unconscionable
That’s kinda what they were going for in season 4 but it would of been cool if a different sibling would always cause an apocalypse
@@stylishmusic4012well, i don’t know if you remember, but they did kill him. they all died. and viktor had his character flaws and was criticized for them, they make it clear that he’s not perfect. maybe take some time to think about what you’re saying before immediately getting angry about the existence of a trans person
Isn't the whole third season's apocalypse about how impossible it is for them to exist if their mothers died? By that logic the "perfect" timeline will eventually be destroyed by a kugelblitz because of the grandfather paradox
I thought they would all be born naturally as normal people. And they end up meeting at a Hargreaves college traveling overseas. Or something.
Also why did luther become a monkey again but the others get improved powers? He was just done so dirty
@@TCGMetalZ that would have been a cool end. Them all drinking at a bar or something hinting they may still all meet or something.
N ye lol the monkey thing makes no sense
Hated this final season worst series finale and fuck the writers for the 5 and Lila storyline that was stupid as fuck how tf does someone with teleportation get fuckin lost?!! Ugh
I fail to see why the fuck didn't Five encounter his other selves in that cafe shop sooner within those six years. I mean come on, so much time wasted when that encounter should have happened sooner.
@@ShiftNova just shit upon shit if u ask me but I did enjoy the other characters I suppose
@@ShiftNova that is actually a great point hahah
HOW did it take that long? Haha
My god, so so much wrong with this season.
@@SpaceKrakenMedia
No like forget ab the Five Deli what ab all the fucking Fives who apparently stopped saving their respective timelines so it means they had all the time (ay) in the world to just loiter around the subway trains and stations and STILL non of them encountered our Five?
Also wouldn't "Five being stuck with someone in the time travel subway Canon Event" be a known thing to the Fives?
And that some of them might be checking somehow?
@@EspeonMistress00 Also I doubt other Fives gave up trying to save their timelines. Well, the ones we didn't see in the deli shop was more than likely fighting for their timelines. So I would think when our Five and his family fixed the timelines to single one. There had to have been some push back from other Fives that cared about their own timeline to save theirs somehow.
A single timeline doesn't makes any sense. For every action there is a equal and opposite reaction. So really there should be more than one time out in the ether doing just fine.
Awesome review! Underwhelming and disappointing are the words that I keep seeing over and over again by just about everyone who is a fan of this show. They completely ruined it with this mess of final season.
@@tmswood78 thnx mate glad u enjoyed! Ye such a shame , this may be the (hopefully) only case of it may have been better if Netflix had just canceled it at 3? Which is a fate I would never wish on any show but ye this one really missed the mark
I mean I actually really like the concept that they all have to die/ disappear as the final solution...but the execution made it feel super unsatisfactory, instead of feeling like a big sacrifice it fdlt more like they didn't want to resolve any set up
The ending scene may be interpreted as that their sacrifice was pointless because it did not fix the timeline crisis, since we are watching an impossible scene. but I'm not sure that the creators wanted to convey that. This show deserved so much better!!!!
My headcanon is that the marigold is about to be synthesized a couple months later by the end of the show and that the academy is stuck in an endless cycle of saving the world and then dying and rebirth. Like Madoka Magica. I think. I haven't actually watched that show
The final scene after the credits where those flowers came up from the ground with marigold coming out of it indeed felt like everything was pointless, as marigold was the entire reason for all of this to happen to begin with.. So that still existing even after everything does imply that everything was for nothing.. Besides that, they could've easily prevented the world from ending if they were to get rid of that bottle of marigold in the beginning...
@@Razer5542or you know stop Ben from spiking their drinks from them unbeknown to taking the marigold.
But then again that wouldn't have solved the true problem. Which was Reg wife suicidal tendencies to fuck up another world all because she feels guilty that she is alive.
5: We have to get rid of all the Marigold in this universe.
Viewers: What about the other kids that Reggie didn't adopt?
From what I know in canon most those kids died in the comics cus they weren’t cared for. In the show I dunno
Those kids don't exist in this current timeline.
Also, and correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Klaus throw marigold on a random person in the bar when he didn’t take the shot in the first or second episode?
@@dylankriner232yes!! And they panned on his face for so long it seemed like it was going to go somewhere and be apart of the plot but no?? It seems like they just cut whole storylines out or something Lol
@@FionaLovecraft I can’t believe there was soooo many issues in this I forgot about this massive issue haha
So dumb
Yes the Diego and five dispute was the worst thing they could’ve added especially leaving it unresolved
Here are some takes of mine that i hope others could agree with
The show would have been better if they just ended it on season 3 with everyone just losing their powers and living normal lives.
OG Ben dying in season 2 was more sad than all of the characters dying in season 4
They either ruined or just never gave the characters story arcs. I felt like I didn't recognize the characters this season.
Man, I loved this show up to season 2, season 3 was alright, but they murdered the potential of this show with the last season
@@kyledan4555 100% agree with all of this
I never expected sloan because she was a sparrow, which wasnt shown to survive except ben due to technicality lol.
I honestly didnt even care for sloan luther relationship anyways. Seemed forced and rushed. I liked it for luther but never cared about sloan herself.
However, even with me not caring about that.. I hated this season.
The worst part is the entire story arc didn't need to happen. Lady Reggy knew where Reggy kept Jennifer. She had the sparkly juice and she can change shape. She could have just worn the skin of one of Jennifer's friends from the town and gave her a sparkly bukkake to start the cleanse. Also Luther's powers have nothing to do with his monkey form!!!
@@pazzn1177 great point
I think I wouldn’t have liked a cliffhanger ending, but I’m also a sucker for those big dramatic bittersweet endings so idk lol. I think for the “sacrifice” thing to have worked, one of the family members should’ve died to keep the rest of them alive. Killing all of them makes no sense. It would be as stupid as if iron man snapping his finger killed all the avengers at the end of endgame lol. But iron man dying alone worked really well.
@@korakatk318 great comparison to highlight how this doesn’t work.
Yeh I’m sure my cliffhanger idea would be controversial had they done that haha and I’m not sure it’s wat they 100% shud have done. just a fun idea Read some amazing bittersweet endings ideas in the comments that keep the feeling the show was going for that work waaay better.
I will die on the hill that this ending us accidentally encouraging of suicide. Yes, I know it's not the INTENDED Ending message, but REALLY Think about the implications. "This world is so fucked up because we were born. Let's kill ourselves so thoroughly that we were never even born" Cut to the timeline where they never existed, and everyone else is living a much better life, with no strife or worry, all their worry and problems apparently caused by the main characters, validating the choice to end themselves
IMAGINE a Suicidal teen watching this show- Watching these characters come to the same conclusion they have- That the world is worse because they were born- And then being shown that the world was better when the characters they began to relate to killed themselves.
You can tell me it's not that deep as much as you want- But even IF It's not outright encouraging of suicide, it's certainly not discouraging it.
@@Sugar_Crash1 that is really horrible and upsetting. Horrible message for the show to end on. I hated this end so much but now it’s somehow even worse.
I only saw the flowers at the end as more marigold in the new universe. Since you gain powers from eating it, something is going to eat that and end the world all over again. For a final time.
Such a AOT type of ending
Seeing how their was eight flowers it means eight new players.
@@ShiftNovano 8 because of Lila
@@InvasionAnimation yeh I guess that makes sense. I kinda think that’s even worse if it not only erased there existence but also it was pointless. Idk I would rather them alive in some way if it’s gonna end implying it didn’t work
@@SpaceKrakenMedia I agree. When I saw those flowers it just made me think this was all for nothing and they don't even survive.
one thing I'm genuinely so confused about and haven't seen anyone mention is why are The Keepers even made to be the villians of the season?? Their whole purpose was being obsessed with TUA so wouldn't they have been excited to see the siblings or recognize them? Ya know, from the all the memorabilia they have... I don't even think there was a scene where they questioned who these 7 people with powers running around were
@@jacktaylor8308 great point!! Another major dumb issue. Add it to pile I guess lol
I fully thought that Victor was going to make the ultimate sacrifice and suck everyone's Marigold out and then be consumed by the cleanse monster to balance out and destroy the two elements. The story ends with the remaining characters using Reginald's empire to help the world with health care, food, resources, etc. It's like showing the characters as superheroes not for their powers but for their hearts.
But nah, kill them all and have plot holes and disappoint fans, it'll be alright!
@@tggarage9707 I like that idea of them being heroes without powers. That would have been nice
My heart breaks for these actors. Such a strange and horrible ending for all of their story and characters. I don't remember another series losing the mark so horribly since LOST or GOT. It would have been incredible to center "Sparrow" Ben to have him interact and work with the family - establish some character growth and center the family which is what made the show so meaningful in the first place. But they just kept him an asshole until the very end and they could have done SO MUCH with Jennifer. But it just made no sense. Having their father be the one that murdered Ben, such a pivotal point in their trauma would have been so juicy and incredible of a villain showdown! But instead as you said, they had this version that gets off scott free because his version didn't do it? And 5 and LILA?! WHAT......actually wtf was that. 5 would have never done this. He only centers his family throughout the series - that is what drives him. Even to his and the family's detriment and toxicity. For him to betray Diego so severly and then they both die never making amends....Also it's really gross and weird to me. Goodness fucking gracious. Netflix is capable of creating such beautiful tv shows. It is really sad and horrible that they would care so little to have a show end as swiftly as possible that they are willing to make these kinds of decisions. Lower budget, fine. Awful but fine. But at least allow them with what episodes they have to focus on the family so it at least makes SOME sense for an ending that would befit them all. I get they can't make us all happy but I have yet to see anyone else like what they did. Hats off to the actors for doing the best they could and smiling through it in interviews. I can't imagine how they feel behind the scenes. It feels like they assasinated all their characters.
@@yulimoonshine so true . I feel terrible for the actors , they would have known this was not gonna be received well but had to do it regardless
I wish I could like this video twice. This show was so special to me. Especially when they'd include a BANGER soundtrack. This season started with one song and it was a good intro but then it seemed like the entire rest of the show was literally AI generated. All the action shots seemed like they were by geriatric stunt doubles filmed in slow mo, and the CGI was awful, then the writing was... nothing
I know some people love it, but I absolutely hated the fact that Reginald was the one that ended Ben and Jennifer. He sent the kids with Pogo across the world to an extremely secure location and like 2 minutes after getting called by Luther he magically appears ??
If he could have just ended Jennifer himself within minutes, why would a super genius alien even risk the kids coming in contact with her? That doesn't seem like something he would actually do.
It would've been better if Ben set the charge and heard Jen knocking from inside the container but before he could investigate the guards heard the knocking too and distracted him. while he fights off the goons, the rest of the family hears him struggling and runs back to aid him but right before they meet-up again, BOOM! the bomb goes off taking Ben, Jen, and the surrounding goons with them. Luther grows up blaming himself for not being a good enough leader. The other feel bad for forcing Ben to go when he didn't even want to. And THEN they find out that there was a girl in the container the whole time. So now they have to deal with the extra layer of "we would've never agreed to go had we known the truth Reginald kept from us."
Heck, they even explained IN THE SHOW that their kids wouldn't exist, and then it was like they just decided after 5 seconds on a flip of a dime that the kids would be fine. What?? How??? EXPLAIN. But they just didn't explain! It was delusional. Lila putting the family on the subway was ridiculous, because WHERE is that subway even going if there are not gonna be any other timelines anymore??! Ma'am, you're sending them into the void, it's a MOOT in five minutes! Congratulations, you did nothing!
@@tonichan89 yeh it is truly amazing how dumb it is.
The whole season is basically a paradox. Like if they never got the marigold back in the beginning the ending wouldve never happened. Comics are officially better and it hurts to say cause the show had massive potential season to season. Something must've happened behind the scenes, especially since they cancelled Sparrow Academy...weird. Them mentioning saving the Eiffel Tower, which is from the comics is the coolest part of this season.
My reaction to this season was:
Episode 1: Interesting set-up
Episode 2: I can see where this is going
Episodes 3-6: ???????????
@@gabrielrangel956 yeh 100%
Potential was there for it to be something but it went off the rails real quick
I feel sorry for the team that they didn’t have enough budget for this season. At the same time if they didn’t have the budget, I wish they could make it to a 4 episode or a movie with 2.5hour length, so they could focus on important part of the story, concluding character arcs, and better CGI.
They butchered my Allison/Ray and the whole Five/Lila was horrible. You're right! This last season was simply bad.
Game of Thrones...Killing Eve...and, now, Umbrella Academy. Shows whose final season felt like they were written by a staff that hated the show they were overseeing. :(
I agree with this review so much!! Complete waste of Klaus, giving him these pointless tangents instead of a real storyline for this beloved character. I could not stand Gene and Jean, ridiculous tacked on villains who were annoying at best, so awkward and off from the tone of the series. The Ben and Jennifer thing felt like the beginning of what could have been an interesting story, but it was way too rushed and ended as a cheap knockoff of "The Fly" and "The Blob", like... what?? I could buy Five and Lila turning to each other if trapped with no one else for 7 years and as she said, it was "survival" but to leave a huge loose end and then wipe them all out felt lazy and did not do the series justice at all. No real closure with Reg because the mean guy that gave them all their issues wasn't actually there. I was waiting in that park scene for some other seed, or a strange twisty cliffhanger, hoping that THIS was not the "actual" end...
@@madamehogan8553 I’m glad I’m not the only one who was just waiting for some twist or reveal in those final moments
it seems like the writers had the story before knowing it would be just 6 episodes, so they had to cut some parts and leave others out, so is like we missed some parts.
It was announced as 6 episodes during the writing stage, they had plenty of time to change stuff for a good story
@@gisela_oliveira it must have been this. Otherwise , baffling choices
@@ashleycox8480 that makes it way worse haha
@@SpaceKrakenMedia yeah i know lol theres literally no excuse for how this turned out. The reason (not excuse just reasoning behind it) i believe it turned out this way was netflix cut there budget compared to other seasons, writers were like screw it cause its the last season AND they had less budget.
@@ashleycox8480 Netflix are dogs for cutting the eps and budget but they surely didn’t force the writers to make the decisions they made
Most if not all the biggest issues are script issues I feel
All ur points were spot on for how my family and I felt about the final season. Unsatisfying, pointless, and underwhelming truly so sum up the final season. Thx for ur review!
@@thedanielfamily1595 thnx for watching mate!
The only part that almost worked was Viktor's plan to suck the powers out of Ben. Except maybe I wasn't paying attension but I thought he was going to take the marigold out of Ben?? If Viktor took the durango he has marigold in him too so...?!??! I don't see why they couldn't have had Viktor need to take all the marigold in himself and sacrifice himself for the family at the end. It would be sad, still unsatisfying, but better than whatever the hell I just watched.
At the very least they should have had the main cast show up in the green park and have it be the afterlife and then bicycle lady/god show up and be like oh shit you guys can't be here.
The thing with Five and Lila is that I think the "Getting lost in the subplot" part would have worked if it wasn't with Lila.
He has this blonde, young assistant guy in the CIA and in the first episode. And the way they interacted in their first dialogue I thought it could have room for a romance story there.
And so then when episode 5 came along I wished they'd just put that guy in there with Five.
Like I don't even know if that assistant guy has a name, he barely has any lines and almost no Screentime, but I think the concept of the seemingly unimportant CIA colleague of Five forced to spend 7 years with him and using that time to find out all the crazy shit that's been going on in the Hargreeves family could have been cool, all while Five would have had someone outside of his family that he can protect (aside from a literal mannequin). You can let assistant guy die in the end, or let him be part of the CIA agents that were actually part of Gene and Jeans group and it would still have made for a more compelling love story for Five than what they did with him and Lila.
Hell, you could even let Diego and the others still be mad at Five for randomly leaving them to do his own missions again without communicating anything, which arguably also played into the apocalypses of season 1 and 2. That even would have been a conflict they could have resolved before the end, and that would have felt way more interesting IMO than the cheating plot, because it would have involved flaws that the siblings have been dealing with their whole lives
aww that would have been so cute - the romance between five and the blonde guy because he seems like the shy, awkward, can never be seen type of character. Put that with somebody like five and damn, it would have been so cute...also, keep him just a normal human with no powers. that means five would have to work harder to protect him.
Lame endings suck.
Gay and lame is worse.
@@thedog5k *complains about gay*
*Watches a show with gay and trans people, and gay and lesbian relationships*
@@Zach2003 yeh that would have been a way better idea
@@Zach2003 Definitely would have been better without the gay and trans people.
When I watched the scene at the beginning of the season when Lila and Five are in the cafe with Diego watching, she wipes food off his mouth, and I literally said out loud "they better not fuckin do this."
I started to feel a bit of relief as we went on but then we got to the part where they were stuck in the tube time travel. I felt so uncomfortable throughout the whole montage. And then when they actually KISSED, I was gagging. Mostly because knowing that the actress that plays Lila met Aiden Gallagher when he was like 14-15 years old I think. Obviously not her choice, she's just an actor doing what she's told essentially.
But afterwards, I seen a clip of the two of them being interviewed and she says that one of the writers let it slip to her at an after party of S3 finale about the "romance." Which means, they were actively planning this when Aiden was underage... The whole thing just creeps me out. And it's the only thing really that's stopping me from giving S4 a second watch to actually figure out how I feel about the whole thing.
I really thought there was going to be a time jump at the end that showed all the members being born naturally into the world in different places, not knowing each other or having powers, but just being normal people and happy.
@@StottOnTheDot that would have been way better then what we got
The kids surviving made me so angry out of just pure lack of logic, it made no sense at all they even address it early on in the series with the grandfather paradox that if you were to kill your grandfather you'd never exist. Same thing with Alison and Claire, when they were in a different timeline Claire obviously didn't exist as Allison never existed in that timeline to give birth to her. And yet they erase their own existence completely but their kids still exist. So stupid it's like did you watch your own show before writing the last season of it?
@@joanapereira8011 hahaha I know right! It’s not like the show didn’t get this kinda stuff the entire series , why now did they forget about this stuff ? Baffling
Imagine, instead of becoming a stripper, Luther spent the first few years in the new universe finding Sloane. After accepting that she is dead, he would have become a rebel leader/terrorist who wants to overthrow the Hargreevs Empire at any cost, even if it means sacrificeing his life. and if he had then gotten his powers back exactly as they were before he became a hybrid, he could have given humanity new hope and become the hero he always wanted to be. and then if he had sacrificed himself at the end, he would have been welcomed into the afterlife by Sloane.
I hope that at some point someone at Netflix decides to revive the series, just like Marvel did with X-MEN 97'
Netflix really gave us the worst ending ever not even lost or Game of Thrones could compete with this garbage, even show other that got cancelled without the privilege of having a final season like Altered Carbon or Constantine had better endings.
the logic doesn’t make sense how did they get on the train by themselves n end up in the “right” place when Five & Lila were lost for 7 years.
You just know the writers looked at each other and said, "Holy shit, we can't kill kids!" and made them exist where they shouldn't and we're supposed to be relieved because those dumb kids we don't care about lived.
Victor was able to give powers to Harland and then take it back. Why couldn't Victor take the marigold from the others and other Victor have to erase himself? He was by far the least favorite of the family.
Why not simply destroy the bottle of marigold in the beginning to prevent everything from happening? Five could've easily jumped back in time to that point to do that, but nope..
@@Razer5542 😂😂 yeh so true. Such a simple solution he just didn’t consider.
@@briang7839 I think Viktor as the sacrifice would have been very satisfying and emotional and a great callback to s1 end.
I'm gonna pretend like it ended in season 2, Harlan didn't kill their mothers, they just had an epic dance battle with the Sparrows and then decided that they are all great dancers so they formed one big happy team who save the world with the power of music
I love the ending you suggested! It makes me think of how Angel ended, with them running into another battle.
@@LightBrightShining thnx! And yes!! Like how angel ends!
The family being alive really makes absolute no sense, but what really annoys me with it, is the fact that they explained the grandpa pardox in the show in the second season and made it such a big deal just to forget about it and not care anymore
@@crybaby-uq3oc yeh it’s baffling. They know it makes no sense in the context of the lore they have established so it’s even more bizzare they just did it anyway
I was really hoping for the ending to be that they ALL go to the subway as a family
2 things wit the 5 & Lila storyline, I wasn’t all the way mad at it because it was at least more interesting than everything else going on at the time & Lila was flat out honest wit 5 about it being about “survival” , another thing is it coulda happened & they just kept it secret, cause I agree it’s horrible that 5 & Diego died hating each other
it seems like the writers had the story before knowing it would be just 6 episodes, so they had to curt some parts and leave toher nd everyting got messy. their relationship was okay for me, i feel so bad for Five, since he's been though so much already and never gets to be happy like the others, but they sure needed like 2 more episodes to develop that situation
This is how I would’ve done it… Luther sees Sloan out.. but she has no memories of anything…. Even him.. there are many other Reginald’s all over the world with an academy… then they find out they are in an entire new other earth that there is a worm hole to travel to the one with their original timeline…. The hotel was the worm hole…. 5 is in the other earth with old Ben and Klause… meanwhile they are also in the new earth, but none of the others know that it’s not really them … they have a plot to get to our earth… Lila has the powers to get back to our earth through flashes and she realizes that something is not right something isn’t right with the 5 that she knew… but end up telling the fake klause not knowing he’s also not the real one… but Diego feels something isn’t right with klause… and him and Lila have teenage kids that somehow have powers too but they don’t tell anyone…. And they have a freind this big tall kid who ends up being Luther’s son… but no one knows he sees Sloan pick up the kid from school.. and realizes that could be his son… victor sees Vanya ( which they probably won’t do that) but vanya is really really bad villain… but ends up being good and falls in love with victor… 😜 ok scratch that0&@@😮 victor builds his bar where the hotel use to be.. not knowing there is worm hole in the parking lot where the park was.. under a tree… gohst Ben somehow finds the worm hole to find the others… because they are nowhere on our earth… in the worm hole are the different time lines … in the end they all choose which time line they feel most at home… then we get to robotics scene where all the Reginald’s are basically controlling their lives…. To be continued ( I think it’s better than the damn squid thing) I’m too tired to keep typing but I have other thoughts on how it should’ve been… ohhhh and the one dude in the season 3 the old man with the dog he also returns with a big part … maybe someone that’s been after Reginald maybe he built Reginald and he’s a AI 😀😀😀😀 like the mom …. And the ape dude ends up on planet of the apes… TBC
@@CASECRAK 😂😂 love it.
100% better
Ik Netflix only gave them 6 episodes, but if they weren't willing to do 10, it should have at least been 7, with each episode dedicated to a sibling (can literally name the episodes #1, #2, #3, etc.) where see closure for each of them and then they come together to defeat Hargreeves
You spoke nothing but FACTS!!!! I absolutely hated the ending. It was so bad, I don't think I will ever re-watch the show. I agree with every word you said.
Just seen the ending and yes, season 4 ending was just a disappointment... It was rushed and had 0 emotional impact or anything at all, besides that... I felt like there were indeed other ways to "save" everything... Either killing Ben/Jennifer or simply destroying that bottle of Mariogold at the beginning..
Also, the entire metro system wasn't even properly explained and left me with a few questions such as:
- Who build it?
- What did the text on the wall mean?
- Who in the heck was the person or entity that you heard on the intercom in the train carts?
Also, Five could've saved the world easily but choose not to because he's apparently not smart enough to spot such a obvious way to do so.. Even when he's supposed to be like stupidly smart...
@@Razer5542 all good points. The train thing was never explained properly at all , probably coz it’s just random stuff thrown together with no rhyme or reason.
Yeh so many other ways to end it without the erasing themselves . So annoying .
Thank you hated the “oh there is a deeper meaning” bull ending was horrible. You know what they should have did make the timeline restart and lead it into a prequel so we can see them as kids
@@chrisdice9458 that would be interesting, recast them all as kids but keep Five? I could dig a prequel season
It’s funny my favorite characters were originally (Umbrella) Ben, Five, and Klaus eventually grew on me (but I found him extremely annoying till season 2). And then after growing to like them those 3 probably had the worst done to them. Sad…
Why did Luther gain back his ape traits? This wasnt actually linked with his powers.
@@chantelletaylor6620 hahah soooo true. Makes no sense
When one of the genes shot the dude peddling the mandela items in episode one I thought to myself “this is gonna be the best season” boy ways I wrong
@@shichibukaitetsuo5938 hahah
I also remember being very positive and keen at that point. Oh to be young and naive haha
i think it wouldve gone crazy if, instead of erasing them from existence, they removed the marigold like you said. to keep that "august 8, 2024 was an ordinary day" note, they couldve framed it as it created our world. like showing the umbrellas reborn as fictionalized versions of the actors. at least thatd be more memorable and somewhat less egregious. if they REALLY wanted to end the story
Wait, I disagree with you about one thing, the Reginald in this universe did know who they are and was even protecting Jennifer so he had an understanding of both marigold and Durango… remember when they pulled up to his mansion and the security security guard knew all of them by name… there was also no point in the show where the family had to explain to this regional that they were his kids or anything
I wonder what you would do if you were stuck with a hot chick for 7 years alone. It's gross because you're thinking of the actors instead of the characters which makes you weird, not them. If Five can fall in love with a mannequin, what makes you think he wouldn't fall in love with a real woman after being stuck with her for 7 years. The only bad part was when he didn't want to go back after finding the way out. Klaus has been on side missions in every season. His hopelessness is why his character is good. Turning him into another Luther would be true assassination. The ending makes perfect sense. It's not happy and satisfying, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. The problem is their existence as a family, not the marigold alone. The fact that they went on this tumultuous journey to save the world yet no one even knows about their existence embodies the theme of the show perfectly.
i was convinced they were gonna go against Reginald to rescue Sloane....
18:00 the families living without the parents existing was literally the grandfather paradox, wich is literally the plot of season 3 and the reason of the Kugerblitz and that timeline/world was destroyed...
6:00 my only thoughts to defend this timelines Reggie is that by bringing back his wife he lost that edge that made him like the other Reggie’s ? Nd I’m grasping cuz I love the series lol
@@derek.doesitwell452 yeh I guess that does make sense. I still don’t like it but I guess it makes more sense then most of the rest of it
Terrible ending to a great show
A better ending i thought would have been if the marigold didn't infect the mothers and they were born to live normal lives
Or keep travelling back to finding the mothers and interfere with the mothers marigold infecting them
Total disappointment
man this review is spot on, the writing was so shit this season i cant even.
Another thing that is barely tought of in the epilogue with the family existing without their parents like, did we not learn from season 3? They just created a grandfather paradox, the new world is just gonna face a kugelblitz because they insisted on their family to live on
@@jokuma5798 100% true . Bizzare they think it won’t or the writers forgot the lore they built in previous seasons
I love your ending of ENDLESS LOOP!!!! Dam maybe they can come together for a collaboration to end it right
Idk how Five being the most intelligent, big picture, plotting character couldnt figure out that CIA members were keepers. How did he have a 2 minute conversation with himself at this point realize that he had to end their existence. Just didnt seem like enough.
Not knowing it was only 6 eps beforehand I was ok with these side stories hoping they would go somewhere. Then it ended at eps 6 and I was like what??? Now I feel betrayed. If not for the phenomenal acting of this amazing cast, this was such a huge wasted opportunity to close out what has been an amazing run. I'm mean -(spoilers) 5 and Lila have an affair, she chooses Diego, so 5 goes to sulk and bumps into 20 versions of himself who quit saving the world and started a deli and tell him everyone has to die. So instead of hype monster battle with new powers they just all agree to die....dumb.
I could put a prompt in chatGPT and get a better season 4... Ruined the whole show man.
The whole premise, just like the last season,didn't make sense. The Cleanse happens because the Academy has Marigold in them...but the season started without that and they later drank it. Restart the timeline and /don't/ drink the Marigold next time. Everyone gets to live, without powers, just like they collectively voted for. Not to mention the Marigold itself was a random maguffin that magically appeared.
@@KaiSosceles so true . Great point
This was a complete rip-off of the ending of Dark. Jonas and Martha sacrifice themselves to save the timeline and end the infinite time loops. Only it was much more poignant ending, and they did it 5 years ago. Want to see a time paradox show done right, watch Dark.
@@karincrane3220 I feel pre mixed on the final ep of Dark but wow wen u compare it to this ending. God tier.
Reginald wasn’t a different guy, it was the second Reginald still, just not the first Reginald (season 1) Reginald.
" They couldn't afford one shot of bug Reginald" dude they couldn't afford anything this season. Akira Bennifer was like bruh stop ✋️.
@@gentelmanjunkie542 haha yeh so true . If only they knew they would be dogged budget wise and done it in s3
I'm so glad you said a flashback episode for Reginald. I would have loved to learn about his story as a alien. What is the origin of the Marigold. Do these aliens use it somehow? Is it like the Spice from Dune? I realize that this episode would be heavily CGI but holy crap...make it a cartoon. Absolutely no one would have had a problem with a cartoon style episode telling the story of the alien Reginald. And it would not have cost too much. Come on Netflix. This show was so obviously pushed out at the door as quickly as possible just to get it over with. Such a massive let down.
they said already his wife created it
@@Pedigru I actually LOVE the idea of making it cartoon that would be really cool. Avoid bad cheap cgi issues, fun stylistic choice and do some fun awesome animation that gives the ep a unique feel and flavours
Great idea
Great video until your alternative ending. I think that is just the flip side to the same coin. For me, another "we sacrificed ourselves to save the world but herrrrrrre we go again" would have been frustrating. Considering the lack of time and money, I feel the only satisfactory ending would have been akin to Fringe. One of the seven sacrifice themselves to reset/save the world/timeline (whatever). Have the sappy ending in the park, but have the rest of the seven and a very brief moment of "did they just recognise each other?" The bond is so strong, that blood, timelines, multiverses, or no, they will always have a bond.
I realise if Marigold didn't exist the seven would never have been born, but I still think that would have been a better ending than seeing those three dudes who i completely forgot about playing badminton.
@@DC11373 oh no that’s very fair, i cliffhanger ending would not be for everyone , I’ve read a bunch of fan ideas in the comments that are really good and keep the bittersweet theme they were going for there but do it way better. My idea was off the dome on a whim with no brainstorming haha
But also I don’t mind a fun silly ending not all shows need the sappy dramatic end. But honestly, anything. Almost anything besides erasing them from existence would be better.
@@DC11373 I like your idea of the potential of them remembering . Kinda a bit Nolan esque with some of his endings, up to interpretation with whether or not they will become friends or not, how much do they remember, ect ect
Great review! The season had a couple parts that made me laugh but overall it might be on my top 3 worst finale seasons ever. The plot lines of 5, Klause, even Victor being a whiny bitch the entire season annoyed me. For them to never exist was such lazy writing. I did enjoy Diego and Luther teammate up at the CIA but other than that, awful.
@@williamcowell1889 yeh if I had to give a positive I didn’t hate the cia fight. Bit of fun.
Curious, wats the other 2 that make the top of the list of worst finales?
And thnx for watching glad u enjoyed
@@SpaceKrakenMedia The CIA scene was fun. Don’t get me wrong there was some moments that made me laugh, but overall just awful how they ended it. Worst finales ever has to be Umbrella, GoT and How I met your mother . The final season was good and I enjoyed it until the last 5 mins where they had Robin and Barney divorce so it negated all the buildup of prior episodes , then Ted and Robin eventually get back together in the end. Which was so, so dumb.
I watched this season not knowing that there were only 6 episodes. I felt really disappointed figuring out that that was the ending.
@@atherasdin ye that’s a hard pill to swallow if u didn’t know it was only 6