How Would You Use the Vive Flow?
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2021
- Techtober is here! First up, Marques and Andrew talk about the new HTC Vive Flow. They go over the design and how it compares to the rest of the line-up. They also talk about who it's for and what could be some of the best use cases.
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I actually once took my Samsung Gear VR on a transatlantic flight. You obviously need to get over the fact that you're the strange guy with VR goggles on a plane but combined with noise-canceling headphones it's actually an amazing experience. You almost forget that you're in a cramped airplane seat and it makes time go by so much faster. Also, it has kind of a strange effect where if the plane tilts sideways the VR stays level, which actually helped against my travel sickness since my eyes had a stable horizon to lock on to.
I wouldn't go as far as buying these just to use on a plane but I seriously think that airlines should offer them as in-flight entertainment (for a certain price of course).
Sounds like a sanitary nightmare
@@alecwhatshisname5170 just have interchangeable pads on there. Cheap to produce and solves the issue
I believe that there were a few airlines talking about this a few years ago
I agree, but Samsung Gear VR was very cheap, like a 100 bucks or so. Would you buy a 500 Dollar device to do that? I like the idea of the Flow, don't get the extremely high price though.
@@DerDudelino that's why I'm saying, have airlines rent it out. Let's say they take $20 to use one on a long haul flight.
I think they got the technical details wrong. The device is not just a screen. It can run VR content independently. It does use a phone as a companion controller, but the phone is not used as the processor. On the other hand, you can also miracast from the phone to the Flow. In that scenario, the Flow is still rendering the content to the screens in VR, but the 2D content is provided by the phone. A lot of reporters are getting this wrong, and HTC is not helping with their lack of detail.
Yes, I think they got confused by the word "connect" which can mean many things. I believe here it just means for battery power. and the gyroscope can be cool as also a controller. but that's where the connection ends
Yeah that was wrong
Oh my lord. They got A LOT wrong....
Do you know if they also allow you to integrate the phone into the device? For instance, answer calls, see messages, etc?? Because that would be fantastic!!
@@elijahclaude3413 Yeah supposedly they show notifications in the headset, and of course with miracast you can cast the entire screen.
This would be fantastic to use with drones or other devices where all you need is a portable high quality fpv display, and not necessarily lighthouse trackers or heavy compute.
I don't know how I hadn't thought of this use case. Now I'm actually interested.
Exactly, sucks to buy a FPV goggles and VR goggles for the desktop AND now phone xD
Id be nice to have the "screen module" compatible with FPV gear, and hook it up to your phone, or to the desktop and add controllers and beacons.
Instead of buying the same screen thing 3 times :C
Great video. Great views on the various topics
This is the best Andrew I'm seen. Keep it up
Fun to watch HTC reinvent themselves :) Hope their mobile division ain't dead tho
I miss HTC phones so much. We need them to return
I think Google now owns their mobile division and that's where pixel devices gets made.
@@NanogalaxyOrgMedia I think they aquired 15-20% of the team, not the whole division..but its cool to think that the old HTC squad is behind the design of the new Pixels too in a way
@@deanvejnovic8188 HTC seems to be more into these other industries like VR nowadays. They kinda lost interest in phones I think.
@@NanogalaxyOrgMedia Yeah it seems so...I don't think there are any plans or even rumors about HTC phones for 2022.
I would use this for ergonomics. So I can have a mobile screen that’s high up at eye level rather than needing to hunch over a laptop or lean forward
I’ve been waiting for something like this as a monitor replacement.
more of a tablet replacement also possibly TV replacement for some people... mostly students
Screen resolution and long-term comfortability are my two personal biggest hurdles/concerns to your wish.
The Quest 2 is better in almost every way.
Mind you we dont know how easy it will be to stream content to it or how bad the LCD screens gonna be. Im guessing pretty bad because they didn't overclock to 90 for some reason.
@@dtz1000 the Quest 2 is uncomfortable and the visual quality is low. I had to return it.
i loveee how you got someone educated to speak about it instead of taking the chance of learning it all and saying misinformation good video !
Great channel ❤️
This deserves much more attention.
The Vive Flow does have internal processing the phone works like a controller and power source. You can just connect a power bank to the Flow and have a wireless connection to the phone as a controller as well as stream the phone screen to the Flow.
This just makes me want some proper AR glasses even more!
I’d love to use this on the bus or train, but I don’t wanna be completely blind to the outside world in public.
but ar glasses will never be as good as these for content consumption since this blacks out you peripheral vision giving the theatre experience
This is exactly why I am very disappointed that this does not have Passthrough AR! Passthrough solves those problems of having true blacks and things like that since its just a video recording.
However, you'd have to maintain very low latency for it to be viable, which I am not sure is possible yet. Even the Quest has noticeable latency (and of course low-res video of the real world).
But whoever figures out how to create a mobile VR headset with passthrough AR will be the hero we want!! (though it would be even better if it is open source and moddable so other folks can innovate more quickly).
It does have pass through, but just no AR functionalities yet
@@yu-kaichou1821 Missed opportunity! But I certainly the passthrough is good enough to easily switch and/or add AR to later.
And ... Are you THE Yukai Chou?! The author of the Octalysis Framework? Because I loved that book and concept and it's a big reason why I got into UX Design for XR in the first place!!
@@elijahclaude3413 yea I’m the Octalysis creator. Really appreciate the kind words :-)
that song at the end, sooo good.
This channel is so under rated ! The sound , the content , the people are all amazing. I'm glad I found this
They are giving out such bad info about this VR device. Better find a proper VR channel instead.
media consumption sounds really neat with this. I just feel like this is super pricey considering its competition with the quest and how many features this is missing (like an internal battery).
Is it basically the same thing as the Nreal glasses but VR instead of AR?
The analogy is perfect. I rarely brought/used my iPad after getting a laptop. In the same way, I always bring my VR Headset on trips and have already been using it on the plane for offline zombie games and a bit of beatsaber. So unfortunately I think this headset is a no go. But I love the tech and think we are going to see more and more headsets in this size over the coming years, will be very exciting :)
Personally, I wish someone would finally make an update to google glass. Specifically, I want augmented reality. Imagine someone comes up to you, but you don’t remember who they are, only to have your glasses wisely tell you who they are. Or you’re in a store and pick up a box of ice cream, only for your glasses to tell you that it’s 20% cheaper down the street. I can’t wait until we have that. Basically info you could get from your phone, but without looking for it. Like a true assistant, always giving you relevant information.
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 unfortunately when it does come it will probably be exploited by the same corporations that buy and sell our data to the highest bidder, so our headsets will simply be another ad stream :(
To be frank, the MacBook Air is more portable than the 12.9" iPad Pro with keyboard.
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 sounds like a JARVIS or FRIDAY coming in the near future, I’m so ready 👁👄👁
You can play beatsaber on a plane?
Haha great end! Been listening on podcast app for long but nice to see your faces
Good description with the "first time viewer" being blown away. The Oculus Rift CV1 certainly sold me on the "this is the future here now" feeling. I was an evangelist. I certainly had a similar feeling to that of the iPhone and almost more so. I now see VR similar to a long term change similar to a the length of acceptance of the Internet. Maybe even a longer product curve than the Internet. Hope burns eternal here.
I'm at a similar place now. VR is one of my passions, but I don't think it will gain widespread mainstream adoption for a long while yet. Although, the recent patents and innovations (micro-OLEDs, optical flow tracking, other innovations in eye tracking and such) have almost convinced me that VR headsets are about to get much better much faster than I thought. But adoption will still be slow.
if you think about it, the VIVE FLOW is actually trying to replace TABLETS as the ON-THE-GO ENTERTAINMENT DEVICE... NOT COMPETING AGAINST THE OCCULUS QUEST
Everything the Vive Flow does can be done better on the Quest 2 for far less money. The only thing it has going for it is size and weight. You can't even play Beat Saber on the Vive Flow. It's not much of an entertainment device if it can't even do that. The market for this device is the ignorant masses.
@@dtz1000 well yeah, size and weight is literally what the goal was for the product
Any thoughts on if this would be a good use for educational VR?
Bingo
You guys are awesome.
I have VIVE PRO + RTX3080. Gaming is amazing. Using it for productivity is more of a pain than I expected with the wires and heaviness of the headset. Does head tracking work well without base stations? This looks amazing for travel. The ultimate next product will be AR that can also darken fully to VR if you wanted.
It is amazing for travel. I fly intercontinental 10-15 times per year and this is great. I'm in the cinema with pre-loaded Netflix content etc. That's where the connection with the phone especially becomes useful. There is a passenger mode for in the dark to prevent drifting. Also, It's easy enough to tip it up ever so slightly to grab my drink. You'll just look a bit odd.
The comments here seem to be more positive about this device than the comments on the VR enthusiast channels. This thing must be directed more towards people that aren't already into VR. To those of us that have been using VR for a while it seems like a waste of money. I really hope people that see this and get curious about VR do a bit of research before buying one. There are much better options out there for the same or less money.
There isn’t a better option for portability though. This is less than half the size of a quest 2.
@@hastyscorpion That's definitely its main selling point. The problem I see is that no one was asking for a portable VR media playing device. Most people are fine with using their phone to watch media when they're traveling. What people wanted was a small formfactor portable VR HMD they could play games on. The media viewing ability should have been a bonus rather than the main feature.
@@ClellBiggs eh i dont think anyone asked for the ipad either, I think first generation it wont be too great but after a few generations of improvement id say it would be good enough for the common folk (hopefully cheaper too)
I think this is the entire point. VR enthusiasts (myself included) often forget that most people simply dont care about high-end gaming. Its very similar to how gamers (PC and console gamers alike) completely disregard the fact that vast majority of the world plays games on their phone.
What Vive is doing here (although poorly) is trying to tap into the greater market of people who have yet to see the value of VR simply because they don't care about games that much.
Unfortunately, I think they will not be able to address that market because this does not have hand tracking, does not have Passthrough AR, and does not have phone integration (the ability to actually use your phone from the headset rather than just cast from it).
So yeah, this is not for VR enthusiasts. This is for everyone else. Again, probably a poor execution, but I think they are on the right track... just need to go further along.
For VR enthusiasts, HTC has stopped being relevant years ago (unless you're a business enterprise, lol). We have Varjo, Valve, and maybe even Lynx to look forward to.
@@elijahclaude3413 I wouldn't call Beat Saber high end gaming. This rubbish wont even run that, and it's $500 with no controllers! What a joke.
How its for people with spectacles ???
I was wondering what happened to Magicleap
Better late than never finally u guys talk about VR! Awesome thx 👍 the most powerful is HP reverb g2 FYI - stand-alone Pico Neo 3 most powerful after vive focus
Travel portability, wirelessly connected to my phone is cool! 😎👍✨
so maybe they can add a camera and give transparency mode like tws
I would love to have a portable "screen" like this to use with Mac mini on the go😋
More VR videos please!
They should put that effort into linking it with the vive tracker/sensors set and turn it into the ultimate VR gaming system.
You are the best
I think it would be great for flying drones think you could test it in one of your videos like a favor can you support the are flying FPV via mode and those glasses?
Someone did that on the Quest 2 I think. This HTC device is pretty crap compared to that, so I wouldn't waste your time on it.
Did he say Miracast? I haven’t heard that in almost a decade. Is it still a thing?
i think there was a time, some phones supported it, but they stopped about 2 years ago or something...
@@Akab android supports it, they just call it screenshare and other more logical names
Nice but I'm still waiting for a VR that I connect to my console and play games at 60Fps-120fps.. no monitor setup is gonna beat that.
PSVR 1 and 2
People already walk into poles on their phones. Imagine portable VR 🤣
There are a couple of potential issues with using a VR headset in a moving vehicle:
- Motion sickness: Vehicle will be accelerating and moving while you're sitting still in VR which will cause motion sickness
- Headset & Phone accelerometer, gyroscope and magnetometer data might be affected by the movement (Tilt, Turn, Landing) of the vehicle, which will in turn affect the tracking in VR.
Good point it would only be good while cruising in a plane or low traffic highway.
Maybe they it should Also have a camera in the front, if people want to just quickly check what's happening around without having to luft uo the device
Is this Hooli VR or genuine new age VR from HTC??
it's worse than Hooli VR
if the cameras were positioned higher up, i'd integrate this into my boba fett helmet
This is great , hope one day we could have less than 100 grams glasses. Also i wish Htc did real AR glasses like what focals did not the junk that facebook and snapchat are selling.
The glasses term you're looking for is temples.
Thinking about a few hundred people on a plane wearing these reminds me that so many versions of the future leads us to WALL-E.
Nice
I think this would be good to have if you're a nomad and don't have a stationary home so no tv while you're always going in and out of your car or rv or trailer day to day
I believe Vive Flow has it's own CPU and Ram. Connecting to your phone is just for controller replacement.
It has its own CPU and RAM but it seems to be relying on the Android Phone to access streaming content like HBOMAX, Netflix, etc. using the Android Mirroring feature. HTC is trying to ensure the sale of Android Phones at the expense of a wider customer base who don’t want or have an Android Phone.
"You gotta smell the peanuts or something".
11:19
They’re called “temple arms”.
It's a great czech VR consumer device 😃
what about HUAWEI VR Class, it looks like vivo Flow so much
I'd use it for my cloud gaming server and gampass
crazy how Tablets tending to look like Laptops and laptops like tablets ... _+_ which one more portable ?
Hey I think you Cannot play Netflix or Amazon prime videos on miracast. I have tried that and it just doesn't work when we screen cast to a smart tv because of their encryption and data protection policies.
I want Tyne HTC to come back from the dead with their smartphones. M8 was the only Android phone that had that Industrial Cold medal design that beat the iPhones until the X dropped
The way they describe it working, I can’t imagine this working well with iPhone. Whatever you want to watch or play would have to be accessible via the vive app on the phone. Apple doesn’t allow for the same level of freedom Android would to be able to use the phone for both casting and as a controller.
It could use AirPlay, but then it would only screen mirror, the remote function still wouldn’t work.
It does not work at all with iPhones and also website says it is incompatible with exynos processors.
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mod a htc deulxe audio strap onto it. throw a 20,000mah battery in a light backpack. use wireless streaming to stream pc vr games with base stations and valve knuckles (as it would be the lightest vr headset). but that's not really what it's designed for
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A small suggestion: please review budget models of laptops and smartphones (ones you think are "bang for the buck")
It would gain you more viewers - the average person could benifit from them
For that, you should head over to Linus' channel
@@almostcertainlynotapotato6528 Well, you know, all he does is highlight the negatives of a product. Plus, MKBHD has more reach. So why not make a series for budjet devices🤷♂️
However light and compact the headset might be, if it needs to be connected to a power bank at all times, it kind of negates the point for me.
Color one of them pink and you've get yourself a [DEAL]!!!!!
So... to summarize: It doesn't have the resolution of Quest. It doesn't have the hand tracking of Quest. It doesn't have the battery of Quest. It requires specific Android phones to run and use your phone as a controller (Hello 2010). It doesn't even support controllers. But on the upside, it costs a hundred more than the Quest so you get to spend a lot more money and look like a Spiderman villain in public? HTC must stand for Has The Cahones, because to release this piece of junk they must have massive ones. This would be really impressive, in 2011. Right now it seems like one of those cheap pieces of junk that people go door to door selling for $50.
In 2011..? Sure. Whatever. I'm not the biggest fan nor hater of this device, but I prefer my comparisons to stay grounded in reality. If I had the money, I think I'd rather bring this headset with me for entertainment purposes (shows etc.) on work/vacation trips. It's just that much lighter. The only real downside is that it only works with iPhone for now.
*CORRECTION: it costs $200 more than Quest. Everything else is spot on.*
@@danisaksson3214 You mean I doesn't work with iphones. Only certain android phones are compatible with this. Personally I think it looks better to have an obvious VR headset than something that looks like you're cosplaying steampunk Dr Octopus from Spiderman. It will have it's market though... just like the Go did. Unfortunately that market is ridiculously small compared to the sales they'd need to justify this product existing. Just my opinion though. I'd love Quest to have some competition, but offering an inferior product for a lot more money isn't a good way to bring competition... that's just throwing the big game.
@@darkhoursofday6250 Yeah. No. You are obviously not the target audience, so it won't compete in that space. We'll see if it finds an audience basically. :P
@@danisaksson3214 Oddly enough, I would have been the target. I bought a Rift, Quest 1 and 2 and even bought a Go. I regularly consume VR media and did like the Go. I just don't like the look or specs of this particular model. Maybe it will land with some... just not me.
This is pretty much the best way to play xcloud with a Xbox controller
11:19 what do you want to smell? 😂
7 minutes in, we find out it's VR for your phone. Oh.
Sony 4K phone sounds good all of a sudden
Lmao I can FEEL TV and Monitor investors staring at Marcus off camera with their hand in their jacket pocket
Investor: 🤨
Marcus: 😧
Hi
The dream of a cinema-quality experience of watching a movie in VR still feels so far away, purely because the quality of the screens aren't good enough yet. If we ever get a 4K display (per eye) in VR, then I'll be interested, but something this portable, running off your phone? I can't imagine it would be worth it.
You also need deep blacks for a cinema experience. I get a cinema experience with my Quest 1 with its low resolution OLED screen but I don't get the same good experience with the Quest 2 despite it having a higher resolution screen. We are almost there. The next Quest headset should fix this when they fix the poor black levels on the Quest 2.
@@dtz1000 (is a PSVR owner 🤭)
@@TMWriting I thought I made clear that I am a Quest user.
@@dtz1000 no, I'm a PSVR user lol, I wasn't hurling the label at you as a slur 🙄
@@TMWriting 😳 Oops.
10:08
How to Connect the HTC Vive Flow to SteamVR [Step-by-Step]
499 isnt a little bit over the top of Oculus Quest, Quest 2 is 300 and HTC doesn’t include the external battery and needs a compatible smartphone. If you consider that Quest has hand tracking that can operate most of the things that youd be able to do on the flow anyway, the latter‘s size advantage isnt very considerable once you leave the quest controllers at home. Glad to see headsets get smaller, but this aint it, hopefully they are just releasing it to offset their research and development costs for future portable headsets.
The quest 2 532 grams, the quest 1 is 571 grams. That is more than twice as heavy and way bigger. I think you are underestimating the size advantage here.
@@hastyscorpion For comfort sure, it looks good, doesnt have a strap and is light, but thats all there is. its barely any more portable and is severely limited in what it can do, has worse visuals and costs way more. If its form factor was at least on point it could be a cool somewhat niche product, but you need to wire it up to an external battery and connect to a phone for it just to work, there goes the ease of use.
Why doesn't MHBHD do review on oculus quest or other VR
he's waiting for them to call and pay him first, or maybe he's motion sick prone so got disinterested and doesn't know much about it
Are we all just going to ignore how Marques pronounced theatre??
This is to save RUclips
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the other guy is DIY Mark Zuckerberg
This is the first step to replacing cell phones with a pair of glasses. For media consumption and eventually web browsing and productivity it's going to be game changing. The price seems high, but compare it to 360 degrees if equivalent monitors. Wishing HTC best of luck with this product.
As a fashion statement
so you now what is going to happen tomorrow... you have already touch it... 😂
Avegant Glyph
I'll wait for Apples.
If you lose power in the middle of VR, you die IRL
If it worked with iPhones I would have preordered 🙃
Its like a very like like
Arms
Glasses with arms...😄
Actually it’s not powered by the phone, it’s all in one. The phone is merely a controller to it
Kinda lost me at 499. Granted I know this is new technology but I hope we can get the price of VR down over the next couple years.
Quest 2 is 299 and blows this rubbish out of the water.
they're called STEMS
Wrong, its not your phone powering VR and stream your vive flow. Vive flow can use as standalone, its just viveflow dont have netflix, youtube and all the stream service app on there store. What they do is let you mirrorcast your phone screen to the headset movie theatre. But if one day there are VR netflix apps, you can just use your headset to watch it. Phone is not require for rendering
It doesn’t compare with the Oculus Quest 2 in any way it cannot play real VR Games and it requires an Android phone and doesn’t work with Apple iOS.
"Smell the Peanuts" is a good punk band name.
You made a lot of factual errors about the device specs in this video, which I only found out by researching it on my own afterwards.
BHD will not like that it does not have IOS support at the moment
Vive were doing great with VR hardware - until they dropped the ball with Vive Pro 2.......and the support for their devices is horrible.
They were doing badly way before the Vive Pro 2. This latest rubbish is more of the same.
It has a processor inside it, phone is just a controller
I love, like REALLY LOVE VR, but I hate every headset. It's not screen quality that gets you, it's actually wearing it. I have never been comfortable. Headsets either slowly fall off, or they are strapped in to the point I feel squeezed. It's easy to start sweating with a lot of these headsets, when half your face isn't exposed to natural airflow. I have never really been into VR games, as majority of them are tech demos. The couple I did enjoy, was very much "oh wow remember you're in VR how cool is this?". While it's visually immersive, the true immersion comes when you forget you have a controller in your hand or a headset on your face. I want to forget it's there. I don't care about much else tbh. I would love to binge a TV show in a virtual movie theater, but no way could I do that with any current VR headset. I don't mind light leaks. I will be taking off the shadow box (it seems to be optional) for maximum comfort. To me, VR needs to be comfortable to be a genuine part of my life. Right now, it's not. I'll give the flow a shot. It seems it's made for people like me. Maybe we'll get the tech so lightweight and efficient, we can have a near legit pair of sunglasses in the future that's VR. Something akin to FB's most recent Smart Glasses with Ray-Bans (obviously we have a long way to get there, but I want that way more than the opposite side of the spectrum.)
what headsets have you tried?
It's so small you can eat wearing it, while watching movie in a virtual cinema
Glasses don't have arms or rails. They have temples.
Cool video. Silly tech though. This is like the phone that had a screen that switched to a T shape for some reason.
VR is not silly, HTC is.