The all-in-one headset to beat! - HTC Vive XR Elite

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  • Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
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    The HTC Vive was one of the best VR headsets when it came out almost 7 years ago, but since then, a TON of great headsets have released like the Oculus/Meta Quest and the Valve Index. Adam checked out HTC's booth at CES to see if HTC has been working hard over the last almost decade or if this is just a cash grab.
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    0:00 HTC is back!
    0:35 Specs and features
    4:10 Sponsor - dbrand
    4:59 The controllers, hand tracking, and headset fit
    6:19 Gaming experience and passthrough camera
    8:02 Pricing and overall thoughts
    8:35 Outro
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  • @ShortCircuit
    @ShortCircuit  Год назад +227

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    • @infernus6278
      @infernus6278 Год назад +3

      This whole channel is one big paid advertisement, whole this garbage will come to an end sooner rather than later

    • @Requiemes
      @Requiemes Год назад +26

      @@infernus6278 It's the channel of a company with more than 80 employees, how do you think you can afford all that without sponsors? Just skip the ads if you don't like them.

    • @thischannelisforcommenting5680
      @thischannelisforcommenting5680 Год назад +2

      @@infernus6278 this is funny consider that this channel is like early day of LTT and they did roasted the hell out of manufacturer lol

    • @anumeon
      @anumeon Год назад +4

      Dbrand stands for "Darned it, Bring Riley A Novel Duty"

    • @nickchampion2213
      @nickchampion2213 Год назад +1

      @@infernus6278 Cry harder

  • @CptPatch
    @CptPatch Год назад +791

    I love how confident they always are that the editors will save them from their mistakes.

    • @nomdom
      @nomdom Год назад +22

      They have a good team and system in place!

    • @djwindkind
      @djwindkind Год назад +3

      i hate how confident they bull shit, when they dont give a f about the product/category

    • @pirojfmifhghek566
      @pirojfmifhghek566 Год назад +5

      @@djwindkind It's water under the bridge for the sake of our entertainment. It's not like they aren't still showcasing the product. Plus it's CES. I'd be surprised they even found time to poop during that week.

  • @notlNSIGHT
    @notlNSIGHT Год назад +1498

    It's not a proper Quest competitor at $1200. Quest Pro, maybe. But Quest 2? Nah
    Edit: Now it seems a little more pointless with the Quest Pro's price drop

    • @on99kfc
      @on99kfc Год назад +129

      This is a XR device, which should be a quest pro competitor. The quest 2 is just VR device. I think he just said it wrong.

    • @djbacca101
      @djbacca101 Год назад +49

      He definitely misspoke, he is absolutely talking about the Quest Prk

    • @devluz
      @devluz Год назад +31

      Quest 2 and Pico 4 are so cheap that I don't see how a hardware company that actually needs to make profit with the hardware can compete against them.

    • @DarkJOne
      @DarkJOne Год назад +33

      ​@@bruhWTH43 Most consoles are sold at a loss, at least initially

    • @_shadow_1
      @_shadow_1 Год назад +4

      @@devluz Simple, add features or improve upon them to justify the cost. It's why many people come around every upgrade cycle to upgrade their phones. Hell, some people don't even need that justification and just want to get the newest model.

  • @colororb4105
    @colororb4105 Год назад +358

    Shout out to the musician actor at Vive's booth! He reminds me of classic E3

    • @stiggyman3176
      @stiggyman3176 Год назад +51

      yeah that guy brought a sense of fun into the demo for sure.

    • @MadsonOnTheWeb
      @MadsonOnTheWeb Год назад +16

      Does he come alongside a vive?

    • @jacksonsardello3959
      @jacksonsardello3959 Год назад +1

      Hey! Never seen someone with my same avatar before. Haha!

    • @RHYTE
      @RHYTE Год назад +5

      aw man I really miss old E3

    • @playmaestrogame
      @playmaestrogame Год назад

      @@RHYTE Me too...

  • @ChillJoe2002
    @ChillJoe2002 Год назад +345

    8:13 Just want to say that the index is a lower resolution of 1440*1600 per eye vs. the 1920*1920 per eye of this headset. (The valve index does have a larger FOV though).

    • @pumpuppthevolume
      @pumpuppthevolume Год назад +55

      yep and a bit larger fov makes it even less pixels per degree compared to this

    • @SlyNine
      @SlyNine Год назад +5

      @@pumpuppthevolume perhaps. But that doesn't mean all of the pixels are in your fov. More could simply be occluded.

    • @weepgamer
      @weepgamer Год назад +10

      I believe this new headset has a similar PPD of the Quest 2, which is a nice improvement over the Index... although the PCVR experience on a Quest 2 is a little subpar due to the compression going on over Wifi/USB. Considering the Quest 2's bitrate was limited by the XR2 chip, the same chip in the XR Elite... they really should have added Displayport support for a headset in this pricepoint. Headsets like the Pico Neo 3 Link have proven its possible.

    • @fayenotfaye
      @fayenotfaye Год назад +3

      @@weepgamerit looks perfectly fine with the highest bitrate with HEVC unless you set your refresh to 120, ngl, you don’t need it unless you’re playing beat saber.

    • @pumpuppthevolume
      @pumpuppthevolume Год назад +2

      @@SlyNine what ...one has bigger fov and lower res ....the other has smaller fov and higher res ....I was saying the bigger fov additionally lowers the pixels per degree on top of the resolution already being lower

  • @mattcy6591
    @mattcy6591 Год назад +75

    I like his nervous look to the HTC rep off screen when he says "don't lie HTC..."

  • @David-jl7cz
    @David-jl7cz Год назад +687

    I want to watch 2 hours of riley giving strangers tech tips.

    • @LaSDetta
      @LaSDetta Год назад +12

      That would be so funny!

    • @realghostxd
      @realghostxd Год назад +17

      We want a series, this is the 3rd time I have said this XD

    • @CakePrincessCelestia
      @CakePrincessCelestia Год назад +2

      Needs to be a thing!

    • @bwood6337
      @bwood6337 Год назад +4

      Don't do that to Riley

    • @Ubernaught012
      @Ubernaught012 Год назад +4

      That'd be a good floatplane. Just all of them wandering around giving tips

  • @shlubbert3355
    @shlubbert3355 Год назад +247

    This would be amazing if it also had eye tracking for foveated rendering like the Quest Pro and PSVR 2 -- really sounds like that'll be a must-have for high performance VR rendering in the future.

    • @nicomicalz7877
      @nicomicalz7877 Год назад +19

      Fairly sure they plan to sell an adapter later on for eye and face tracking

    • @Shotzla
      @Shotzla Год назад +10

      They are, Squidward looking accessories.

    • @SnrubSource
      @SnrubSource Год назад +9

      Yeah, HMDs without built-in face tracking after 2022 are DOA.

    • @zwenkwiel816
      @zwenkwiel816 Год назад +28

      @@SnrubSource no, eye tracking seems interesting for foveated rendering, face tracking is fucking pointless imo.

    • @chrisdib9269
      @chrisdib9269 Год назад +13

      @@SnrubSource Absolutely not but go off

  • @hokayson6518
    @hokayson6518 Год назад +273

    The adjustable diopters feature is SO GOOD. I wear glasses and have bought aftermarket lenses for my prescription for my Quest 2, but that reduces the FoV and my prescription changes slowly over time. Having adjustable focus in the headset fixes both those issues. I would happily pay a good chunk more for those features, but $1,099 with the same chip as the Quest 2 and only 90Hz...oof.

    • @raynlaze1339
      @raynlaze1339 Год назад +3

      Yea it's good they think about it, wish they thought about people with worse eye sight like me, -8 could have been just that extra step instead of only -6

    • @hokayson6518
      @hokayson6518 Год назад +9

      @@raynlaze1339 I think it gets more expensive to make decent thin lenses at higher prescriptions so I guess they have to draw the line somewhere, but yes I imagine it's very annoying if that line is just a little bit early for you 😕 I'm -5.25 in one of my eyes so if it keeps drifting slowly that way I'll be in the same boat as you.

    • @michel333alfa-kun3
      @michel333alfa-kun3 Год назад

      I doubt it's the same chip. Quest 2 has xr2 gen 1 and it's severely underclocked. It might either be a new revision of the gen 1 or, maybe, even gen 2

    • @raynlaze1339
      @raynlaze1339 Год назад +2

      @@hokayson6518 Yea I guess you're right. My eye sight also reduces slowly over time, it did get less and less drastic since a few years, but still by tiny amounts it's reducing sadly.

    • @hokayson6518
      @hokayson6518 Год назад

      @@michel333alfa-kun3 it's being reported at the same chip, though I've not seen anything about clock speeds so if the Quest 2 is underclocked there's a chance it'll be a bit faster. But for something released 18 months later you'd hope they'd have something next gen with the usual performance uplift &/or power saving. The Elite XR is very small though, maybe I don't mind trading no performance bump for the extra comfort.

  • @noahosborne6454
    @noahosborne6454 Год назад +80

    You can't say it competes with the quest 2 when it's twice the price, thats like saying the 7900x competes with an 13500.

    • @Valdivia9494
      @Valdivia9494 Год назад +16

      Should have said Quest Pro instead, I think it's way better of a comparison.

    • @MethosOhio
      @MethosOhio Год назад +5

      It does compete with Quest 2 as well if you want to an option to pay more instead of subsidizing the cost with your personal data. The true cost of a of Quest 2 is $400 + your privacy. And this has better lenses and color passthrough. So it depends how much your privacy is worth to you as to whether this is competitive.

    • @zwenkwiel816
      @zwenkwiel816 Год назад +4

      @@MethosOhio while you're not wrong I do always find it funny to see that argument coming from people who seem to have no issue using Google and shit, heck some of them even use whatsapp....

    • @notlNSIGHT
      @notlNSIGHT Год назад +2

      @@MethosOhio Except Meta went the console route. Sell the headset for a loss, make money on accessories and game and DLC sales

    • @ZedDevStuff
      @ZedDevStuff Год назад

      @@MethosOhio iirc the business version of the quest 2 is 600 dollars. Supposing it isn't subsidized too, the real cost of it is around that

  • @fffrrraannkk
    @fffrrraannkk Год назад +17

    Having a diopter or whatever it's called built in is really cool. Safe to say a lot of people who don't even wear glasses might be able to benefit from being able to make slight adjustments.

  • @ozerune
    @ozerune Год назад +96

    I love the glasses thing but at $1100 I'll be buying something else with a glasses spacer or an extra lens for it.

    • @SnrubSource
      @SnrubSource Год назад +12

      Yeah lol, wouldn't really call it a """""consumer""""" headset if it's $800+

    • @xedrexgaming9579
      @xedrexgaming9579 Год назад +6

      @SnrubSource The Valve Index is around $1200, is not standalone, and is a consumer-focused HMD.

    • @Nobody-Nowhere
      @Nobody-Nowhere Год назад +7

      @@xedrexgaming9579 Pico4 is around 350-400$ and has way higher resolution than this.

    • @zwenkwiel816
      @zwenkwiel816 Год назад +3

      @@Nobody-Nowhere way to miss the point...

    • @xedrexgaming9579
      @xedrexgaming9579 Год назад +13

      @Nobody-Nowhere what I am saying is that there is such a thing as high-end consumer VR. Pico and Meta both heavily subsidize their headsets which is how they can push the prices so low. Remember that ByteDance and Meta own both many many different companies and they are both advertising conglomerates.

  • @Pikminiman
    @Pikminiman Год назад +15

    I'm glad HTC is still making VR headsets. This one looks like a decent return to form after they floundered for a few years post Valve partnership.

  • @AadidevSooknananNXS
    @AadidevSooknananNXS Год назад +30

    Would a lav mic give better audio for in-conference coverage?
    Also, PROPS for calling them out on the resolution thing, that's what we call journalism!

  • @Meianju
    @Meianju Год назад +8

    Thank you! I'm surprised by how many unique points your brought up compared to everyone else I've watched so far. Definitely need to see a full review of the final product, if it's still flimsy I will rather invest in a Lynx R1headset.

  • @MrPicklepod
    @MrPicklepod Год назад +20

    Man I do love that there is another option, but the issue is that Facebook is the only budget option. VR is going to continue to be dominated by Facebook until we get budget options for VR from other brands. I love VR but I refuse to use Facebooks machine, and I can't really afford these 1000$+ machines.

    • @zwenkwiel816
      @zwenkwiel816 Год назад +4

      Pico4, though it's Bytedance (Chinese company that owns TikTok)
      So pick your poison I guess...

    • @fireaza
      @fireaza Год назад +1

      Don't like Meta? Then get a Quest 2! Why? Because you can hack them to remove all the Meta connectivity! End result is you get a rather good budget VR headset, and Meta loses money, since they take a loss on each Quest 2 sold that they can't harvest any user data from!

    • @MrPicklepod
      @MrPicklepod Год назад

      @@fireaza Can you run SteamVR games on it? Or do you still have to purchase through the Meta store?

    • @sampletext02
      @sampletext02 Год назад +3

      @@MrPicklepod Steam VR is compatible with basically any VR headset, including Meta's.

    • @GmrLeon
      @GmrLeon Год назад +2

      If it weren't for some VR diehards willing to deal with the devil & Valve spearheading their own headsets with HTC & then independently, Facebook may as well have killed the VR industry before it even got off the ground imo.
      Frankly, given that the pandemic's been a prime opportunity for the VR industry & despite that Facebook still hasn't turned a massive profit from their VR investments (which isn't to say they haven't been making some bank on it, mind), I'd be willing to say Facebook _has_ fumbled hard with promoting VR.
      They've undoubtedly helped adoption in some ways by eating the costs on the Quests, but they've repeatedly shot themselves in the foot through bad reputation, attempted account integration/consolidation, and very clearly signaling they want their own VR walled garden to collect literally as much data as they possibly can within legal limits (and then some in the gray areas, and more where they don't think the law's caught up yet). Oh and of course they also want their own VR walled garden so they can exact as much money from you as possible without platform fees they'd deal with via Apple/Google/Valve.

  • @flamingscar5263
    @flamingscar5263 Год назад +7

    Boy I hope that title is meant to be "a real quest PRO competitor"
    Because at over twice the price of the quest 2 this is not competition
    That's like saying a Honda civic is competition with a Lamborghini

  • @FrostKittyPaw
    @FrostKittyPaw Год назад +6

    Some major stuff that others probably mentioned: The headset is not native SteamVR - it's compressed just like the Quest 2. Also, Index has a lower resolution than the XR Elite.

  • @Post_Polar
    @Post_Polar Год назад +31

    The Meta Quest 2 (2020) offers a 120Hz refresh rate compared to the 90Hz HTC Vive XR Elite (2023). Both headsets use the old Snapdragon XR2 with active cooling.
    Later this year the XR2 Gen 2 is expected with up to 3x GPU performance jumping from 7nm to 4nm.

    • @noxious_nights
      @noxious_nights Год назад +18

      $1,100 headset that can't even match the refresh rate of something less than half its price

    • @vgaggia
      @vgaggia Год назад +3

      If you've used vr you'll know that FOV is way more important some people don't even get that immersion feeling with quest 2 like fov

    • @JohnDoeC78
      @JohnDoeC78 Год назад +3

      That's why I love my just bought Valve Index VR with 144hz and bigger FOv

    • @devluz
      @devluz Год назад +9

      It really depends on what is important for you. It does have better lenses, sub 300g weight with PCVR, much smaller and better comfort, wider FOV, proper depth sensor, better passthrough for XR and HTC makes their money with the hardware not your data. I see quite a lot of value in this headset.

    • @vgaggia
      @vgaggia Год назад

      @@JohnDoeC78 i got a pimax instead cause i found one for a good price i love the fov, but the comfort is.. improvable, to be kind

  • @viggy2k66
    @viggy2k66 Год назад +1

    Just a fantastic review. Thank you. So many other videos just skim passed the specs, but your in depth look at build quality and features was fantastic! Thank you!

  • @twopercentgaming4630
    @twopercentgaming4630 Год назад +14

    I'm pretty sure this is competing with the Quest pro, not the Quest 2

    • @zeroa69
      @zeroa69 Год назад

      Then its an even worse comparison because the pro has a helluva lot more going on

    • @MsHojat
      @MsHojat Год назад +1

      @@zeroa69 from what I hear that's not really true. They're both relatively good products that have their own advantages and weaker points. (I don't remember all the details, but Thrillseeker covered it)

  • @caseyrice768
    @caseyrice768 Год назад +6

    Love the positive review. I had a very good experience with my original of Vive which was replaced by the index but if you say with the tracking is a bit of a stretch so I don't use the index nearly as often as I would like. If I wasn't waiting for the psvr 2 I would definitely consider this a buy very soon

  • @RefinedRags
    @RefinedRags Год назад +6

    For that kinda price I would want the plastics to be carbon fiber

  • @PeterSanderse
    @PeterSanderse Год назад +1

    The big stand-out is the build-in support for (simple) glasses - all they need now is visual adjustments in software to allow people like me with both prism and cylinder adjustments, to use a VR device! We're getting there!

  • @TheDecree93
    @TheDecree93 Год назад +17

    The glasses diopter thing is absolutely the biggest selling point of these to me and a bunch of others. Still expensive but if the diopter works well…absolutely nothing beats that

  • @qlum
    @qlum Год назад +17

    While I do like the dial for glasses, ordering prescription lensen to put in your vr set is also a thing and definitely worth it.

    • @ulrar
      @ulrar Год назад +6

      That assumes you're the only one using it, for a 1100 price tag that's a big assumption. Much better to have that dial so you don't have to keep swapping

    • @PlayerBush001
      @PlayerBush001 Год назад

      The only problem is that you're adding another layer of glass in front of the lens that wasn't there before. I find it causes some offsetting of the image when looking to the side of the screen. Would be interesting to see if a headset designed with that in mind would do better.
      Hope it won't be easy to knock the dial too though. Think it was a past one of theirs, but there was a headset that often went out of focus because of that

    • @justitgstuff5284
      @justitgstuff5284 Год назад +3

      @@ulrar Plus you don't have to pay like $70 for each prescription. Also, at least for me, my prescription has changed over time. Not dramatically, but being able to make it slightly stronger over time if I need to would be a great feature.

    • @tams805
      @tams805 Год назад +1

      Honestly, at point just get some contacts.

    • @qlum
      @qlum Год назад +1

      @@tams805 Not really, I really only wear glasses for further away, when sitting behind my desk I generally don't use them. Wearing contacts just for VR really would be too much of a hassle.

  • @kostihouse
    @kostihouse Год назад +3

    This is crazy, instead of making a better headset than the quest2, they make something that is equal, but costs three times as much.
    For example, why does nobody make a standalone headset, that you can also connect to a pc, without streaming the picture as a video, so your gpu has to work on additional workload? That would be a nice feature.

  • @ChristopherToro
    @ChristopherToro Год назад +1

    I'm super interested in this headset, I like that you don't have to wear glasses with it, that part of the Oculus quest 2 always made me nervous about scratching the lenses (even with the spacers and frame attachment), I hope htc takes into consideration some of the critiques in this video to get it ready for prime time!

  • @DesuVR
    @DesuVR Год назад +5

    Not your best video, guys. There's a number of inaccurate claims and statements like, just to name two, 2 hours is not amazing battery life, that's just par for the course. The controllers are similar to the Quest 2, not the Quest Pro, they're a whole different beast. I also hear they won't be natively compatible with the Vive trackers pucks which is a huge letdown.

  • @maartenkeus8627
    @maartenkeus8627 Год назад +3

    "finger on the trigger, as we do here in the US" 💀💀
    What a legend

  • @Bentley2210
    @Bentley2210 Год назад +3

    "That's not 4k!" - *looks at HTC Staff*
    Love it!

  • @lonelyPorterCH
    @lonelyPorterCH Год назад +2

    I like the reverbs / valve index audio more^^
    The dial so you don't need glasses is very cool though :D

  • @ssjaken
    @ssjaken Год назад +2

    I'd love to hear about the company privacy settings for these things.

  • @zwenkwiel816
    @zwenkwiel816 Год назад +29

    I think they definitely win in the coolest looking headset category, these oversized aviators look way cooler than those chunky brick or shapeless Blob designs of most other headsets. (Rift S was pretty dope too imo)

  • @jeffreytong
    @jeffreytong Год назад +3

    Powerful new XR2? It's the same chip the Quest 2 launched with in 2020. Not sure I'd consider 2 hours great battery life. It's at the lower end of Quest 2 estimates.

  • @OwenPrescott
    @OwenPrescott Год назад

    what should I get if I want no base stations and the highest res possible?

  • @iansrven3023
    @iansrven3023 Год назад

    Is it Wifi 6E or 6? ie.. 160hz support? Does it work with Virtualdesktop or their own solution? Is it good blacks like Quest 1?

  • @Neoxon619
    @Neoxon619 Год назад +17

    I wish they did 2 cameras for better depth for the pass-through vision, but this looks solid. Though I’m curious to see what Apple brings to the table.

    • @XxXnonameAsDXxX
      @XxXnonameAsDXxX Год назад +2

      @@RecRoom_Stuff at least they will probably change the game. I hope.

    • @iNSANELYSMART409
      @iNSANELYSMART409 Год назад +3

      Pretty sure the one apple wants to make isnt eveen for gaming

    • @RogerEssigArtist
      @RogerEssigArtist Год назад

      yep, 3D reconstructed, accurate stereo mixed reality passthrough via two IPD-spaced cameras is damn cool. it makes all the difference.

    • @DarkReturns1
      @DarkReturns1 Год назад +1

      Apples headset will just add to the segmentation of the VR market and I doubt it'll be focused on gaming

  • @remigoldbach9608
    @remigoldbach9608 Год назад +8

    Hope valve comes with the second generation this year

    • @connerwilson7056
      @connerwilson7056 Год назад

      Same, I’m torn about picking up an index or waiting for the index 2 to come out.

  • @IamR3D88
    @IamR3D88 Год назад +1

    I'm really struggling to pick a headset to replace the Rift. I like these controllers, external cameras, and dials for prescriptions, but it looks like when hooked to a PC, it wears like sunglasses. That concerns me that it could fling off. Hopefully they make an elastic band for tethered use

  • @JohnDoeC78
    @JohnDoeC78 Год назад +2

    Happy with my just bought Valve index. It wasn't available in Australia for so many years untill recently!

  • @Induratize2
    @Induratize2 Год назад +5

    as someone approaching over -6 per eye I am glad to see that dial for people with glasses but I hope that becomes a standard in the headsets and not just on bazillion dollar ones

  • @512TheWolf512
    @512TheWolf512 Год назад +1

    But can I use it as a defacto wireless display to play heavy VR games with my PC?

  • @MGlBlaze
    @MGlBlaze Год назад +2

    It's more expensive than the Valve Index but only offers a 90hz refresh rate and those speakers might get loud but I don't know if they (or the mic) will actually sound *good.*
    Some very nice features with the perscription adjustment and some modularity, but I'm not in a hurry to get a new headset if it means I have to downgrade anything, especially something as important as the refresh rate. I personally also don't consider the tether wire or the base stations a downside so my 'important features' heirarchy is probably quite different to the people this headset is targeting.

  • @chadef555
    @chadef555 Год назад +3

    I was extremely hopeful about this headset because of all the features like dioptre ajdustement, extremely light weight, capable of wireless PC VR, pancake lenses. The resolution is decent - could be better but I could take it.
    However what killed it for me wasn't even the price. It was the FOV. It's comparable to Quest 2 FOV and I'm not gonna lie - while I did enjoy Quest 2 quite a lot I felt constrained a bit by FOV and after getting Index I couldn't go back to anything that would be significantly lower like that. E.g Pico 4 has only 5 degree less FOV - so that is an acceptable change for the clarity pico offers. However Quest 2 FOV with that resolution is absolutely not okay. Also with this resolution they could've at least push it to 120 Hz. I'm okay with 90 as long as the resolution warrants clarity and no SDE.

  • @_._._._._._._._._._._._._.
    @_._._._._._._._._._._._._. Год назад +3

    1100€
    That's it, thanks for reading.

  • @Spo8
    @Spo8 Год назад +2

    "You're not going to be locked into the Oculus ecosystem and have to use a hacky workaround to play your SteamVR games."
    But that's not the case with Oculus headsets. They're officially supported by SteamVR the same way the Vive and Index are...

  • @houjous5131
    @houjous5131 Год назад

    How good is the colors? I'm looking to see if I could replace a small art monitor with a headset.

  • @markdavenportjr5129
    @markdavenportjr5129 Год назад +12

    Anything that is standalone is AWESOME! Heck my brother got the family a Meta Quest 2 and I LOVE IT! So much to a point to where I will get my own headset next month when I get paid. :)

    • @homelessrobot
      @homelessrobot Год назад +4

      agree to disagree. anything standalone is a crappy computer on your face, and mid-to-high end desktop computers with mid-to-high end graphics card can struggle mightily with many vr titles. which is a bonus if the pcvr performance is basically indistinguishable from a normal pcvr headset. Its nice to leave your computer behind and have some option. but it is not worth a grand on its own, or with the gimmick of 'basically also a pcvr headset if you like crappy jittery streaming compression over wifi or usb'

    • @ArnoldSig
      @ArnoldSig Год назад

      @Game Over Not an expert but I know the latest USB-C cables can transfer 10Gbts of data every second. Surely that is good enough for good, tethered PC VR experience?

  • @nyasham1
    @nyasham1 Год назад +8

    Yikes $1100… I see why you left that until last. I’ve never gone soft so fast in my life

  • @devluz
    @devluz Год назад

    This headset is perfect for arcade style setups / virtual laser tag with several players & similar. You can exchange the battery without shutting it down. It has a proper depth sensor and passthrough. It is extremely light if used without battery. I can see this getting very successful for businesses that sell VR experiences. Not sure if this will be a success for home consumers though at that price point.

  • @RolandDobbins
    @RolandDobbins Год назад

    Will these also function as just a regular headmounted display, like Rokid or Nreal AR glasses?

  • @AndreiTache
    @AndreiTache Год назад +9

    Man, I was so hyped to sell my Quest 2 and buy this untill I heard that $1200. I really wish there were any decent competitors to Facebook in low-budget vr :(

    • @classicrockonly
      @classicrockonly Год назад +3

      Same. I just want something that’s not Meta. I hate feeding The Zuck’s machine

    • @a9904102
      @a9904102 Год назад +3

      Ever heard of pico 4?

    • @goodtyme
      @goodtyme Год назад

      the only one is pico 4 and maaybe hp reverb g2 assuming you have a good enough pc

    • @AndreiTache
      @AndreiTache Год назад +1

      @@a9904102 I have, unfortunately it came out after I bought my Quest, but it does look interesting. The specs seem almost identical tho, so it doesn't seem worth it to switch for me, but I will keep an eye out for the Pico 5

    • @notlNSIGHT
      @notlNSIGHT Год назад

      @@a9904102 Doesn't exist in the US, and it doesn't support wired PCVR

  • @oQrn
    @oQrn Год назад +9

    $1200 ?
    I hate using anything related to Meta but Quest 2 wins EASILY.
    with $1200 I at least would expect full hands tracking at least and maybe Eyes tracking.
    with these two I can "Kind of" accept the price.

    • @t.jrocket2589
      @t.jrocket2589 Год назад

      It's not a quest 2 competitor. It's a quest pro competitor

    • @chriscowey7464
      @chriscowey7464 Год назад

      @@t.jrocket2589 and it barely competes against the quest 2, never mind the pro. The quest 2 can do 120hz

    • @notlNSIGHT
      @notlNSIGHT Год назад

      Spend an extra $300 and you could get a Quest Pro, that has full hand and eye tracking.

    • @oQrn
      @oQrn Год назад

      @@t.jrocket2589 If that's the case than quest 2 kind of wins easily.

  • @someoneonly
    @someoneonly Год назад

    Does it have display via type c or displayport for pcvr? Couldnt find any info on that

  • @scp023z
    @scp023z Год назад

    im new to VR headsets, so do we need to use our glasses or remove it to wear these things?

  • @marioxdc123
    @marioxdc123 Год назад +3

    Im exited to get a non facebook quest 2, even if it comes at a higher price

    • @ized88
      @ized88 Год назад

      The pico 4 is a thing and a real quest 2 competitor.
      I still have hope that the valve decker is a thing. A direct linux vr headset would be awesome

    • @MethosOhio
      @MethosOhio Год назад +4

      @@ized88 Yes, but the pico is also tied to a social media company and the Chinese government. That's not a better arrangement.

    • @notlNSIGHT
      @notlNSIGHT Год назад

      @@MethosOhio And it's not even available in the US

    • @zeroa69
      @zeroa69 Год назад

      @@notlNSIGHT it is if you buy it from their german retailer.

    • @zeroa69
      @zeroa69 Год назад

      @@MethosOhio yes but the pico doesnt require any of that jazz yo function. Quest 2 no longer harvest all your data via fb anymore either. Its funny actually my account was made for rift cv1 using fb. I was able to unlink the account and it told me i have to register a meta account to play online etc but ive not done that at all. It tells me to everytime i want to dl a game but lets me get it anyways and online works fine.

  • @ewanlaird
    @ewanlaird Год назад +8

    You definitely don't need a 'hacky workaround' to play steam games on the quest 2

    • @iNSANELYSMART409
      @iNSANELYSMART409 Год назад +2

      Yeah that part was a straight up lie.

    • @notlNSIGHT
      @notlNSIGHT Год назад

      Well it's still hacky. It's not a native connection to the PC or to SteamVR. You gotta first go through Link (which isn't a native USB and DP connection to the PC, but instead does a shit ton of compression and encoding), then you gotta go through Oculus' app... Then Steam VR. Each of those extra steps adds LAG.

    • @iggyiggz1999
      @iggyiggz1999 Год назад +1

      @@notlNSIGHT Clearly you never actually used the Quest 2 for this purpose, as the latency or "lag" is extremely minimal and really only slightly noticeable if you are a decent player in a fast paced game like Beatsaber

    • @notlNSIGHT
      @notlNSIGHT Год назад

      @@iggyiggz1999 I literally daily a Quest 2

  • @thehumancondition5764
    @thehumancondition5764 Год назад

    does it work with PCVR on mobilr gpus? I know my guest doesn't work with my 3050ti mobile and it's a huge bummer

  • @ram3n515
    @ram3n515 Год назад +4

    Having glasses and wanting VR, this is a perfect product for me

    • @JerryorTom
      @JerryorTom Год назад

      Honestly! I’ve had glasses my whole life and my vision is bad enough that contacts isn’t really an option for me so having something like this on a headset is amazing!

    • @jsVfPe3
      @jsVfPe3 Год назад

      My right eye is -7.5 so I guess I couldn't use it... but I am pretty blind so fair enough. I had a Rift S and a Quest 2 and have no problem just wearing glasses or contacts underneath.

    • @MHWGamer
      @MHWGamer Год назад

      @@jsVfPe3 do you really need to wear glasses with the vr headset. We with -8 are short sighted, so we should see the screen crystal clear when it is just a few centimeters away from our eyes.
      At least that is what I experienced ob the limited test time I had with vr/ar

    • @ram3n515
      @ram3n515 Год назад

      I would guess that its because you can't really wear glasses with the headset especially since the light cover is not as magnetic, and since that's the case then you would need that lens adjustment. If only it wasn't eleven hunge ($1100)

  • @Bassquake76
    @Bassquake76 Год назад +4

    1200 bucks?! Oof.

    • @xmlthegreat
      @xmlthegreat Год назад

      Or as they say in French, Oeuf.
      (I know it means egg, but it also stands in for a big fat Zero which is the chance that this thing has to compete against the Quest 2 on price).

  • @P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV
    @P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV Год назад +1

    I'm only interested in whether this finally has enough resolution and good enough passthrough that I can have an immersive multi-monitor mixed reality experience, where text is crisp and sharp in my editors.

  • @n45a_
    @n45a_ Год назад

    finally, ive been waiting for you guys to cover this one

  • @TheAlmosted
    @TheAlmosted Год назад +5

    I see a lot of comments about it not being a decent competition to other, less pricy or more feature rich headsets. However, it's the first headset that has decent support for AR, and which is not made by Facebook (Meta might want to distance itself from their bad reputation by renaming, but they will always be Facebook in my eyes).
    For people like me who wouldn't buy any VR headset before decent Augmented Reality is implemented, and that don't use Facebook and don't want to make a Facebook account to use their device, it's the first headset I'm actually considering.

    • @noxious_nights
      @noxious_nights Год назад

      You haven't needed a Facebook account to use a Quest for like 2 years now

    • @TheAlmosted
      @TheAlmosted Год назад

      @@noxious_nights Well, I didn't keep up with Facebook, so thanks for the update. I still don't support what they do, and I do vote with my money!

  • @vherostar
    @vherostar Год назад +8

    1100??? How is that a competition?? Click baiting overdrive here. It's gonna flop at that price. Looks sick though.

  • @cashnelson2306
    @cashnelson2306 Год назад

    LMAO the nervous glances at the HTC guys when calling out the 4K line

  • @SamTheMan55555
    @SamTheMan55555 Год назад

    Love the subtle shots between D-brand and LMG.
    Like the “Overpriced stickers” and the “shortLinus” web link to d-brand 😂

  • @svartholstjornuson6215
    @svartholstjornuson6215 Год назад +3

    Competing with the Quest 2 at three times the cost. Real good idea there, HTC.

  • @taborgilzinger8522
    @taborgilzinger8522 Год назад +3

    Really buried the lead with the price. More of a quest pro competitor, and the quest pro has more features.

    • @Skrenja
      @Skrenja Год назад

      The Quest Pro is junk (besides the controllers)

  • @invasious
    @invasious Год назад +1

    I'm a little surprised no one is really saying much about this headset only having an XR2 gen 1, as a quest 2 owner it's apparent that the XR2 has aged a bit, and while it's still a great processor for VR, it was already fleeting in 2020 when the Quest 2 released. We are now in 2023 and this brand new headset has technology that is at least 3 years old. For a headset that costs $1099, you aren't really getting much longevity. You are getting a nicer device, absolutely, but HTC should have waited for XR2 Gen 2 or XR3, especially at this price point.

  • @swingly6061
    @swingly6061 Год назад +1

    I bet someone else already pointed out the Index is not higher resolution (1440x1600 vs 1920x1920).
    It does have a native displayport signal though, so no compression artifacts.

  • @sietsedegrande213
    @sietsedegrande213 Год назад +4

    This video is so full of mistakes.

  • @brandonrose8123
    @brandonrose8123 Год назад +2

    I feel like you kept comparing it to the quest 2 but for the price and features I think it makes more sense to be a quest pro competitor. I'd like to know how it stacks up to that instead

  • @glenfoxh
    @glenfoxh Год назад

    I would like to know, when it comes out if I can use the controllers with my HP Reverb G2 through Steam? Not as good as the Index controllers, but will be much better than the controllers the G2 comes with.

  • @soggycracker5934
    @soggycracker5934 Год назад +1

    Metal can be both lighter and stronger than most plastics. They choice of materials here was made for COST, not weight. Making it with lightweight metals would have made the headset pretty expensive. Magnesium is extremely light and very strong, but also really expensive. For this sort of device, it would be the absolute best choice for weight and strength, but cost is always a factor, and that might double the final cost.

  • @Expo017
    @Expo017 Год назад

    That head set with out the stand alone hardware to drop price for use with a station!!😍

  • @weltenkrank7807
    @weltenkrank7807 Год назад

    How much do you get more fore a 1000 dollars headset then with a pico 4?

  • @georgeburns6512
    @georgeburns6512 Год назад

    I’m not really worried about design as Ill customize it. The real question is does steam come loaded on the headset and do I require a PC to play?

  • @rubbers3
    @rubbers3 Год назад

    I love the perscription thing, as a glassess wearer with around -5 on both eyes and I can't wear lenses, so it's a really good soltion.

  • @SpringChickensOnlyMan
    @SpringChickensOnlyMan 4 месяца назад

    Can’t we just take off the battery and run the Xr elite through a wire? It looks like a headset that it could be possible with. I might be wrong but if not why don’t we just do that and never use the battery?

  • @zukarimoto_q
    @zukarimoto_q Год назад +1

    The XR Elite's direct competitor is the Quest Pro. VIVE Focus 3 is HTC's answer to Quest 2.

  • @BryanBrockAndrews
    @BryanBrockAndrews Год назад +1

    You told HTC not to lie about resolution and then you liked about the resolution. You said the Valve Index has higher resolution, but it's only 1440x1600 per eye while the HTC Vive XR Elite is 1920x1920 per eye. That's a significant improvement. It's almost identical to the Quest 2 resolution of 1920x1832 per eye, but still is technically higher. Especially when you consider that the Quest 2 uses a single screen instead of two screens and some of the pixels are out of view.

  • @happyteaspoon5436
    @happyteaspoon5436 Год назад

    Built in prescription adjustment! I love that that's a things. Might just need to start saving

  • @andrewjmarx
    @andrewjmarx Год назад +2

    Given that the perceived resolution is dependent on the distance to the eye, the optics, and the screen resolution, wouldn't it be better to report/emphasize the angular resolution or pixels-per-degree (PPD)? The same screen resolution on two different head sets could lead to totally different experiences depending on these other factors. Beyond that, I think pixel response time is also extremely import for VR (as is refresh rate, but that at least is commonly reported in marketing materials).

    • @gyroninjamodder
      @gyroninjamodder Год назад

      PPD is better, but it's not the whole story. The optical system is not going to be ideal so the picture quality of two headsets with the exact same PPD can look different. A bad optical system will make the picture look blurry despite having a high PPD. This is where measurements like MTF come in.

    • @charltonrodda
      @charltonrodda Год назад

      also, emphasising PPD leads to headsets with like 60° FoV trying to max their PPD. I have a high FoV headset (Index) and a high PPD headset (Reverb G2) and between those, I'll definitely choose more FoV.

  • @oneshotki11
    @oneshotki11 Год назад

    We need an entire video of you offering tech tips to random strangers lmao

  • @Eekary2
    @Eekary2 Год назад +1

    You don‘t need a hacky workaround to connect the Quest to Steam. When the Quest is connected to your PC, Steam VR recognizes the headset immediately.

  • @Standard.Candle
    @Standard.Candle Год назад +1

    Holy shit, whatever marketing guru greenlit that French composer for CES is a bloody genius.

  • @deathofthemagi
    @deathofthemagi Год назад

    I love that I won't need my glasses. I wish they had done something to help keep the lenses from fogging though. Thos are the two main reasons I don't use either of my headsets much

  • @ianwilson4286
    @ianwilson4286 Год назад

    So how do you connect it to a PC, can it be wireless?

  • @pranavbadrinathan6693
    @pranavbadrinathan6693 Год назад

    I will always watch all dBrand ads that any of you do. Such innovative advertising is what has made them a part of my memory, so even if I don't have anything to buy now, when I do, I will for sure remember them lol.

  • @retrin9856
    @retrin9856 Год назад

    This is my favorite headset so far. I just wish the resolution was higher.

  • @CHEESYhairyGASH
    @CHEESYhairyGASH Год назад +2

    The quality of recruitment at LMG is off the charts

  • @dysgraphical4330
    @dysgraphical4330 Год назад +1

    if i had oculus games would there be a simple way to play them on it

  • @blackbluesteel6754
    @blackbluesteel6754 Год назад

    So can it connect to a PC or is a standalone device?

  • @GeckoEidechse
    @GeckoEidechse Год назад +1

    I've been waiting way too long for a non-Quest standalone headset to play Beatsaber on. This is a bit pricey but it means I might finally have an option ^^

  • @Girvo747
    @Girvo747 Год назад +1

    I know it’s expensive. But it’s feature set - the diopter adjustment alone, plus the pancake lenses, is amazing for me. The Quest 2 I have is good sure, but the lens inserts I have so I can see suck lol, the FOV sucks, the weight sucks for PCVR usage. This fixes basically all of that

  • @vonbeine77
    @vonbeine77 Год назад

    So, does it run steam VR natively on the headset (without a pc), or would I have to re-buy everything on the vive ecosystem? If the latter, I'm for sure not interested.

    • @fireaza
      @fireaza Год назад

      You need a PC to run SteamVR games. Being able to run SteamVR games natively would require MUCH MORE powerful and bulky hardware than what they headset uses.

  • @mariofreeman1200
    @mariofreeman1200 Год назад

    can you use wire headphones or is it Bluetooth only?

  • @JohnSmith-xq1pz
    @JohnSmith-xq1pz Год назад

    If I had the space for a full setup I'd DIY a VR backpack system and jump into some FPS old school magic and sowrd play style games in a heartbeat

  • @tremewilson
    @tremewilson Год назад

    to use steam vr on a quest 2 you just have to use air link or a passthrough cable which are both native features on a quest 2. 3:00 what "hacky workaround" is he referring to?