This is a fascinating work and most exhaustive so far. The dispersal of aryans in 3 phases is excellent information. I also hope more Indians accept this as the true origins of the culture.
Late Sri Chandrasekarendra seet of Kanchi said two things - . considering the great emphasis given to pronunciation & intonation with elaborate methods to preserve purity in transmission over 1000s of years, one has to be careful while dating sanskrit. He further said it may take a 1000 times longer time span for sanskrit to undergo the same degree of change compared to spoken languages. 2. Sanskrit was not a spoken language & had to be learnt in addition to one's mother tongue thus preserving purity esp in pronunciation across 1000s of years
But the Vedic Indo-Aryan and Sanskrit are not the same, they are different languages of the same origin and the differences are mostly chronological (they are in grammar and dictionary mostly), as the Vedic Indo-Aryan is much older than Sanskrit. What people call Vedic Sanskrit is not Sanskrit, it is the Vedic Old Indo-Aryan language and Sanskrit is the Middle Indo-Aryan language. Sanskrit closely resembles the Vedic Indo-Aryan in phonetics etc. because Sanskrit is a deliberately 'purufied' language using the language of the Vedas (Samhitas) as its example and model.
Hakra stage is much older, as per recent Archeological studies, old Hakraware from Bhirrana dates back to 7000 BCE. Dr. Semenenko has some good points but he's mistaken.
Great work to correlate the Rigveda to archaeological evidence. How chronlogy of the Rigveda corresponds to Early Harappan and Atharveda to Mature Harppan with copper as dominant metal when the Rigveda do not know copper and Atharveda do not have even single object of copper. Regards
@@Indo-European_Studies Sir I am not wrong. I think you believe ayas in Rigveda means copper. I have decoded ayas means meteoric iron stone . There is no copper object in Late Vedic literature and even in Valmiki Ramayana. The absence of textual evidence of copper objects in the Vedic literature is a significant fact, ignored by Scholars. I have written an article on Archaeometallurgy in Rigveda. I would like to share my article with you. Please give me your email. Copper was discovered first time in the Late Vedic Period and called by the name lohit, lohitayas, Lohamani. Native Copper as found was brittle and lacked malleablity to make objects. Regards
@Alexander Semenenko - You said fortresses destroyed during transition phase from early harappan to mature harappan. Who were those attackers ? Dasyus?
@@Indo-European_Studies Harappan settlements/ Fortresses didnt have circular concentric walls, those towns were rectangular in shape. The circular wall structures were destroyed by vedic aryan peoples as mentioned in rigveda. BMAC had such circular concentric wall forts/ settlements, right upto Southern Russia (the Arkaim). So i think Dasas or Dasyus were rulers of BMAC. Aryas went northword during late harappan phase and destroyed those fortresses including the arkaims.
@@Indo-European_StudiesSir, your comment is confusing. Why Aryans destroyed their own forts? Plz forgive and ignore if my questions not worth a reply.
Mahabharat war happened 7000 yeas ago proved by geological, astronomical and many other data. Ramayana happened at least 10000-12000 years ago. Surya sidhhant was produced 14,000 years ago. No way any of the Vedas compiled after this timeline. But ofcourse any western narrative can't produce any date before 4000 bce. 😊.
Mahabharat could not have taken place 7000 years ago in c.5000 BCE. It describes the River Saraswati as having a weak flow as compared to the earliest Mandalas of the Rig Veda which describe a fierce flow. From archaeological evidence we have Harappan sites all along the river banks of the Saraswati which was still quite strong, at least up until the end of the Mature Harappan and finally disappeared by the end of Late Harappan period. That is when all these sites were abandoned. Based on archaeological, geological, satellite imagery and textual evidence from the Mahabharata, the war probably took place around 2000 BCE. The Harappan civilization ended in 1900 BCE. I don't agree with Dr. Semenenko's dates but there is still too much confusion in the dating of the Vedas which has caused all this trouble, nevermind the Puranas!
@@lajwantishahani1225 in Ramayana Saraswati was still a mighty river not as mighty as described in Rig veda, Mahabharata Saraswati was a weak river, but still flowing. Oldest Harappan civilization may be 2000-3000 bce old i.e. 4500- 5000 years max. When it started drying up. So Mahabharata must happen long before that. There are two dates 3500 bce and 5000 bce. I found 5000 bc more practical. There are tons of astronomical reference in Mahabharata. Also geological and hydrological findings and recent archeological findings in Saraswati river proves at least Mahabharat war can not happen before 4000-5000 BC. Even if you ignore nilesh oak's work and get a generous approach. And Vedas compiled in 2000 BC is a big JOKE.
Definitely not the Hindu killer! That is the narrative built by the Islamic invaders (began with Ibn Batuta) to instill fear among the Hindus to get them to surrender and accept Islam. The Hindu Kush is a western extension of the Himalayas and ancient people had been walking all over these mountains and their high passes for 1000s of years. During the Harappan period they used that land route to trade with Central Asia and Mesopotamia. Traders of the 1st millennium BCE and other Central Asian invaders also trekked along these peaks. Moreover, the Arabs took Indians as slaves to sell in the markets of Damascus, Baghdad and Europe - why would they kill them off after putting in all the effort to transport them? Sure, the weak and injured will have perished on the way just as many more will have died as slaves. But the 'Slayer of Hindus' is an exaggeration.
The culture and history of North western India and its relationship with central Asia and Iran should have a name which indicates the variety of evidence
South Asia is the southern subregion of Asia, which is the Indian subcontinent and defined largely by the Indian Ocean in the south, and the Himalayas, Karakoram, and Pamir mountains in the north. South Asia consists of the countries Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan.
May be You will present me a new all way cool notebook with the most advanced micropohone? I will not object and will accept it with gratitude... The only thing You have to say is about my bad microphone? You are overspoilt. I have devoted 30 years of my life to make such reports and You reproach me of... a poor microphone? Disappointment... Oh, it's only a joke as I work of course not for those who can only comment about microphones...
@@Indo-European_Studies It is quiet shocking that you took my comment as a reproach and you assumed that I didn't value your research? On top of that you are calling me a spoilt? Do you know me as a fellow human being? How did you assume that I didn't value Usually it is taken as a helpful comment by most of the live presenters. I have no idea why you have to rant like this to my comment where my intention was only to bring your attention to this. Because my intention was to ensure that the valuable information you provided must be accessible to all even for people who have hearing issues. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Many blessings to you!
@@HariNair108 if You want just to ensure that the valuable information I provide must be accessible to all even for people who have hearing issues then pay attention to the announcement above: Dr Semenenko's presentation can be accessed from... etc.
Great initiative by Sangam Talks to bring in Dr. Aleksandr Semenenko.
This is a fascinating work and most exhaustive so far. The dispersal of aryans in 3 phases is excellent information. I also hope more Indians accept this as the true origins of the culture.
Great presentation by Dr. Aleskandr Semekenko. Wish more Indians understand their culture carefully .
Jai bharat
Late Sri Chandrasekarendra seet of Kanchi said two things - . considering the great emphasis given to pronunciation & intonation with elaborate methods to preserve purity in transmission over 1000s of years, one has to be careful while dating sanskrit. He further said it may take a 1000 times longer time span for sanskrit to undergo the same degree of change compared to spoken languages. 2. Sanskrit was not a spoken language & had to be learnt in addition to one's mother tongue thus preserving purity esp in pronunciation across 1000s of years
But the Vedic Indo-Aryan and Sanskrit are not the same, they are different languages of the same origin and the differences are mostly chronological (they are in grammar and dictionary mostly), as the Vedic Indo-Aryan is much older than Sanskrit. What people call Vedic Sanskrit is not Sanskrit, it is the Vedic Old Indo-Aryan language and Sanskrit is the Middle Indo-Aryan language. Sanskrit closely resembles the Vedic Indo-Aryan in phonetics etc. because Sanskrit is a deliberately 'purufied' language using the language of the Vedas (Samhitas) as its example and model.
What about the ‘Tiger and the Man in the Tree’? Symbol of Mahashivratri tale?
Hakra stage is much older, as per recent Archeological studies, old Hakraware from Bhirrana dates back to 7000 BCE.
Dr. Semenenko has some good points but he's mistaken.
I know about these early dates but they are still only from Bhirrana.
Jai sri ram
Why this reupload?
There have been some technical problems during the recording of the report so some part of it has been not recorded. Now it is complete.
@@Indo-European_Studies thank you for your service sir
@@Indo-European_Studies Thank you for your work
Himalayas is not to be pronounced as Hima Layas but as Hima aalayas
According to Abhijit Chavda, it’s actually called SagarMata and not even Himalayas😊
@@Aven-Sharma1991 Abhijit Chavda is a conspiracy theorist
So swords does exist in Harappan culture. And till now we have been told that Harappans were peaceful and shows no signs of war or fighting.
Great work to correlate the Rigveda to archaeological evidence. How chronlogy of the Rigveda corresponds to Early Harappan and Atharveda to Mature Harppan with copper as dominant metal when the Rigveda do not know copper and Atharveda do not have even single object of copper. Regards
You are wrong. Regards.
@@Indo-European_Studies Sir I am not wrong. I think you believe ayas in Rigveda means copper. I have decoded ayas means meteoric iron stone . There is no copper object in Late Vedic literature and even in Valmiki Ramayana. The absence of textual evidence of copper objects in the Vedic literature is a significant fact, ignored by Scholars. I have written an article on Archaeometallurgy in Rigveda. I would like to share my article with you. Please give me your email. Copper was discovered first time in the Late Vedic Period and called by the name lohit, lohitayas, Lohamani. Native Copper as found was brittle and lacked malleablity to make objects. Regards
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@Alexander Semenenko - You said fortresses destroyed during transition phase from early harappan to mature harappan. Who were those attackers ? Dasyus?
No, most probably the destroyers of the Early Harappan fortresses were the founders of the Mature Harappan civilization i.e. Aryans.
@@Indo-European_Studies Harappan settlements/ Fortresses didnt have circular concentric walls, those towns were rectangular in shape. The circular wall structures were destroyed by vedic aryan peoples as mentioned in rigveda. BMAC had such circular concentric wall forts/ settlements, right upto Southern Russia (the Arkaim). So i think Dasas or Dasyus were rulers of BMAC. Aryas went northword during late harappan phase and destroyed those fortresses including the arkaims.
@@Indo-European_StudiesSir, your comment is confusing. Why Aryans destroyed their own forts? Plz forgive and ignore if my questions not worth a reply.
@@manojjadhav7518 read Mahabharata, a lot of civil wars between Aryans. The same is here.
@@manojjadhav7518 Arkaim and Sintashta were abandoned and not destroyed.
Mahabharat war happened 7000 yeas ago proved by geological, astronomical and many other data. Ramayana happened at least 10000-12000 years ago. Surya sidhhant was produced 14,000 years ago. No way any of the Vedas compiled after this timeline. But ofcourse any western narrative can't produce any date before 4000 bce. 😊.
Oh yes, why not 7 000 000 years ago??? It sounds even 'cooler'... and even more stupid...
Mahabharat could not have taken place 7000 years ago in c.5000 BCE. It describes the River Saraswati as having a weak flow as compared to the earliest Mandalas of the Rig Veda which describe a fierce flow. From archaeological evidence we have Harappan sites all along the river banks of the Saraswati which was still quite strong, at least up until the end of the Mature Harappan and finally disappeared by the end of Late Harappan period. That is when all these sites were abandoned. Based on archaeological, geological, satellite imagery and textual evidence from the Mahabharata, the war probably took place around 2000 BCE. The Harappan civilization ended in 1900 BCE. I don't agree with Dr. Semenenko's dates but there is still too much confusion in the dating of the Vedas which has caused all this trouble, nevermind the Puranas!
@@lajwantishahani1225 You presented a strong argument for a 2000 BCE date but we have astronomical events in Mahabharatha placing it at 3000 BCE.
@@redskoda14 That astronomical data has anamolies.
@@lajwantishahani1225 in Ramayana Saraswati was still a mighty river not as mighty as described in Rig veda, Mahabharata Saraswati was a weak river, but still flowing. Oldest Harappan civilization may be 2000-3000 bce old i.e. 4500- 5000 years max. When it started drying up. So Mahabharata must happen long before that. There are two dates 3500 bce and 5000 bce. I found 5000 bc more practical. There are tons of astronomical reference in Mahabharata. Also geological and hydrological findings and recent archeological findings in Saraswati river proves at least Mahabharat war can not happen before 4000-5000 BC. Even if you ignore nilesh oak's work and get a generous approach. And Vedas compiled in 2000 BC is a big JOKE.
The narrative is not clear
The word “Hindu-Kush”areas literally means “Hindu” sitting in the “Kush” ie “lap” (of area) !describing the areas Hindu traditionally living.
In Persian it means hindu killer.
hindu slaughter
Definitely not the Hindu killer! That is the narrative built by the Islamic invaders (began with Ibn Batuta) to instill fear among the Hindus to get them to surrender and accept Islam. The Hindu Kush is a western extension of the Himalayas and ancient people had been walking all over these mountains and their high passes for 1000s of years. During the Harappan period they used that land route to trade with Central Asia and Mesopotamia. Traders of the 1st millennium BCE and other Central Asian invaders also trekked along these peaks. Moreover, the Arabs took Indians as slaves to sell in the markets of Damascus, Baghdad and Europe - why would they kill them off after putting in all the effort to transport them? Sure, the weak and injured will have perished on the way just as many more will have died as slaves. But the 'Slayer of Hindus' is an exaggeration.
@@lajwantishahani1225 Source for whatever mental gymnastics you wrote.
@@lajwantishahani1225 do know Persian? Learn first Persian, only than comment
Vedic aryans were fish eating Brahmins living along saraswati rivers who made the vedas after harappan civilization
Why are you eating moth though
And you eat ze bug
The culture and history of North western India and its relationship with central Asia and Iran should have a name which indicates the variety of evidence
Where is this South Asia he keeps referring to? If it is Pakistan, or India, why not say so?
South Asia is the southern subregion of Asia, which is the Indian subcontinent and defined largely by the Indian Ocean in the south, and the Himalayas, Karakoram, and Pamir mountains in the north. South Asia consists of the countries Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan.
So bad pronounciation😊
Oh) At least much better than of many of my Indian interviewers))) Sometimes it was very difficult to understand their Indian 'English')))
Please check your mic.
May be You will present me a new all way cool notebook with the most advanced micropohone? I will not object and will accept it with gratitude... The only thing You have to say is about my bad microphone? You are overspoilt. I have devoted 30 years of my life to make such reports and You reproach me of... a poor microphone? Disappointment... Oh, it's only a joke as I work of course not for those who can only comment about microphones...
@@Indo-European_Studies
It is quiet shocking that you took my comment as a reproach and you assumed that I didn't value your research? On top of that you are calling me a spoilt? Do you know me as a fellow human being? How did you assume that I didn't value
Usually it is taken as a helpful comment by most of the live presenters. I have no idea why you have to rant like this to my comment where my intention was only to bring your attention to this. Because my intention was to ensure that the valuable information you provided must be accessible to all even for people who have hearing issues.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Many blessings to you!
@@HariNair108 if You want just to ensure that the valuable information I provide must be accessible to all even for people who have hearing issues then pay attention to the announcement above: Dr Semenenko's presentation can be accessed from... etc.