Video Response: RunHard GetPaid (The UGLY truth of Trucking)
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- Опубликовано: 28 фев 2014
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By recording and making videos displaying dispatches behavior is probably the best and only way to get any respect for drivers.
I've only been in trucking for 3 years and even I know that load or no load if you're tired you pull over. To say Abe was wrong in any fashion is ludicrous. Some of you lifer drivers have grown such an ego and an invincible attitude that you're the real dangers and the reason truckers get a bad name.
Have you seen some of the results of these accidents, most don't turn out well.
How can some of you say Abe was wrong. Because he had 20 hours off. Well for those who don't know it's called a sleep cycle. And because some of you choose to ignore yours doesn't mean everyone should.
There's other lives on the road so if you choose to put yours at risk just wait til you hit your next 5%-6% grade and instead of making that turn keep going straight. The roads will be safer for my loved ones.
And the others. Keep running to please these companies when you have an accident, and you will only a matter of time, please post your newly acquired inmate number so I can write you and tell you how insane you were because when it all boils down to it who do you think is going to be held responsible the CEO, planner, dispatcher, or the one who was driving the truck. #ignoranceisrampant
I've been in this game for about 2.5 yrs now. I've never had this issue because before I accept a load I always always trip plan. I've actually pissed off driver managers before who've threatened me that they'll "have my job" if I don't take this load and my response has always been. "Well lets talk to safety department about this and see what they have to say about it."
How do you trip plan? My son drives and his mentor never taught him and he has driven a couple of times in violation which cost him some points on his record but he was in the middle of nowhere. As a father, any insight into this would be greatly appreciated.
TIM RUSSELL trip plan=methamphetamine and some whiskey to level you out
west coast turn arounds lol
hey just asking if u get down taking the first load dont they give u like a day off or something so in that way u well be fully rested to take the next load
Or, I send copies of the illegal driver requests with the State and federal D O.T. along with audio of all verbal communications. Do it! Automatic winning lawsuit. Which you'll need after you're fired anyway.
Safety first. Abe is the man!
"Should be able to do it" is an ignorant response. Stopped watching there. In any job if you experience a situation where you find yourself in an unsafe place and you communicate that with your superiors only for them to respond with zero empathy, "you should be able to do it," you just need to walk out. That means they are only focused on the dollar and not the person. Not worth it.
He should not of accepted the load. When he did accept he thought maybe he could do it. Truth is, maybe he should not of even took it. Night dispatch will fix the issue because that's why they get paid. Cover the load by getting another driver or reschedule the appointments but responsibility in the end is the driver should not of jumped on the load in the first place. Made the situation worse and that's why night dispatch is being an ass...but they can't force driver to drive tired. They can't fire the driver, they don't have that authority but they can write a scratching report. Regular dispatcher will have to deal with it next day. If driver has a history of service failures then they will starve him out. Done.
I agree This guy sounds like my 4th grade son, duh I think he should be able to..." duh..I can do it George..spit..spit..duh. dont make the company look bad George..duh they are da good people George..duh I think he can I think he can. Duh.
I stopped watching 5 mins in after he said it would be a short video and had yet to get to the point. That & I felt like I was being spit on.
Blah Blah Blah, 7 minutes to finally get to the point. They told him to drive when he was tired, which is against the law, end of story. We don't know what he told his dispatcher when they first told him about taking back to back breaks, but chances are they didn't want to hear it from the way they sounded on the phone. You sticking up for that shit is what causes more of these problems.
+MisterSinister I instantly thought the same when I was viewing. I was waiting on the point. LOL I liked the video, because he gave a different perspective.
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+MisterSinister Don't watch if you don't like it, simple as that.
Alexander Lynch i do you know you wont like it if you dont watch it??
Daily Atom Some people are just stupid.
It don't matter what you have agreed to.if you feel you are gettin to sleepy to drive or feel yourself dosing for a sec,its time to pull it over..I done it many nights & now thank God that I never killed anyone..this is a dangerous thing...I was just to stupid to realize it back then..that load can set or be replaced,but yours or anyone elsees life can't be...don't matter whos wrong or right here, its whos alive..
Same. I've done it too. With 2 redbulls and a coffee. Worst feeling ever.
Kurzland Yep that coffee don't do nothin, but wake ya up cause ya stop & get out & start talkin to other drivers is what wakes ya up but its only cause ya talkin, cuttin up & actin crazy...tell ya what kept me awake more than anything was talkin to all the drivers on the CB..loved it & had a blast..but thats just like the new cars, the county music & everything else..gone to pot, it's history...just glad I got my runnin in startin back the early 70's...
IF YOU CANT DO THE WORK DONT TAKE THE JOB
are you the lady trucker from weird medicine ?
You shouldn't accept any loads til you're well rested right? If i know I've been up for over ten hours and dispatch wants me to do a long run, im not taking the run. You know about what time you go to sleep every night and how much sleep you get. You're not obligated to take any jobs, but obviously that's how you get paid
You're 100% right. I totally agree with everything you said. I have 1.5 million safe OTR miles and you'd have to call the police on me to get me to STOP working, not beg me to start working after 20 hours of rest. "RunHard GetPaid" - what a JOKE that dude is. "If you can't take the load, don't take the load. Simple as that." - exactly.
Big talk on these channels Brett. Let's see the evidence. Post the video of you big rigging if you are going talk all the talk.
jarvisda Evidence? Who are you, an investigator? You don't even have the balls to use your real face and name for an avatar. You have to hide behind some facade and I'm supposed to prove who I am to you? Go take a hike. Google my name ya clown. There's no mystery about who I am or what I stand for.
Now do you have anything constructive to say or are you just another coward that's gonna call names and try to assassinate my character instead of dealing with real issues?
Man up and say what's on your mind.
Brett Aquila I talk to some KB driver and this is what they said "KB won't accept refusing loads. If you do you would received a service faiure.
I see Your point, But I'm really disappointed with Your response. You are the One that got me to watching Truckers on Utube. Being a Professional Driver is a huge responsibility & has a lot of variables. But SAFETY Is Not Flexible. I was put in a bad spot by My Dispatcher last 1/2013, COST ME MY JOB !!!! As an Employee, it's my job to get it done. Not to say, no i don't want to do this or that. How many loads can YOU Refuse & Keep Your job Big Cat ?? I bet 2 is too many. Abe tried, it didn't work out. I'm sure He Learned a HARD LESSON as I DID. Abe made the Correct Decision ... to agree Nick Rowleys comment !!! no more big cat for me..
Whether you agree or disagree with Run Hard, the fact still remains that he'd gotten sleepy and his job was threatened. There is nothing silly about being safe. I was ran off the road by an 18 wheeler and my car flipped 4 times. I don't care about the cargo arriving on time. I cared that I almost died. Run Hard was being smart. He got off the road. #JudgementalMuch . It really seems that you value the company more than you value the individual worker, or the non truck drivers on the road. That's funny because the companies value the cargo not you. You are making yourself look bad. SMH
Been driving since 1993, the guy in this video is absolutely correct. There are to many steering wheel holders out there and not enough pro truck drivers. Use your brain, think ahead. Say no when you need to say no.
As to the dispatcher, yah he was in line to tell the guy to get out and get some coffee and fresh air. And he was in line to be upset with a truck driver that took a load that knew he wouldnt be able to finish. He told the guy like it was.. you screw up and take a load you cant finish and it goes on your record.. you do it again and your fired. He could of cost that company a large amount of money and make them look iresponsible. He was IMO trying to help the guy out buy letting him know the consequences. If you listen to the video at no time does he tellt he driver that he HAS to continue driving. He just lets him know the consequences and tries to advise him on what he should do to continue.
If you cant drive dont drive... if you cant do a load then dont accept the load. And if your dispatcher ever tells you that you HAVE to do something that puts yourself or others in danger or is illegal... be a man and tell him to screw off.
Learn to read much? No where did I say to drive while tired.
P.s. I am a owner operator. I chose my own loads and work when and where I want. I don't ever let anyone tell me what I can or can't do.
Jeramey Schaffner My point is that his brain may have been confused by circadian rhythm's that were not consistent.
People do NOT understand the complexity of a brain when it is impaired by months of sleep deprivation and fatigues.
I have a neighbor that would brag about cheating his brain and ONLY getting 5 hours of sleep! I warned Jim Brown about Circadian Rhythm's and ( SLEEP DEBT ) over the months or years. Jim would NOT listen and went to Tim Horton's. On his way their he had a grand mall seizure.
Jim totaled his van and almost died.
I think this driver that could not go back to sleep may have built up sleep debt till he became impaired. He DID walk around outside and drink coffee but at that point his brain was screwed.
I have a HUGE RESPECT for truck drivers and the difficult job they have. I drove to Florida with my brother and two other guys in the 1970's and we rotated drivers every 4 hours. For 3 days we were toasted and sleepy. I also drove 8,000 miles in 2 weeks with my brother in 1978.That had an effect on my body for weeks.
The reason I know the brain more than some is that I spent 23 years working with brain damaged residents. I have observed the slight impact of environmental factors causing about 200 seizures. I have been involved in a BIO FEEDBACK experiment in reducing seizures.
Don't be so quick to blame a truck driver when you have not studied sleep patterns and safety. The job your doing is one of the hardest jobs on the planet. REMEMBER,.... when they do a time change 10,000 accidents and fatalities occur every year due to 1 hour of sleep loss.
Once again.. Learn to read. The issue I and bigcat have with Abe ( the sleep deprived truck driver) has nothing to do with sleep.
Re-read my post. No where do I say he should drive while tired. The issue is that he (abe the tired truck driver) put himself in a bad situation by accepting a load he shouldnt have.
That's great for you but not everybody can be an owner/operator right out of the gate.
I think the larger issue is the complete disregard and disrespect that the dispatcher(s) showed to this driver. Maybe he should not have taken the load to begin with...but when a driver says he is too tired to drive safely....that should be the end of the discussion. And why would the dispatcher bring the drivers wife into the discussion (?)...who the hell does he think he is? If these companies are as concerned about "safety" as they claim to be (and believe me...many of them are not) ... you would not see this type of shit.
I'm afraid you are wrong on this one , BigCat.. I've been a driver for 19 years...this arrogant, condescending attitude from the dispatcher should not be tolerated by any driver or any company.
That's how all the dispatchers are at kb atomic.Very aggressive.Last thing kb cares about is the safety of their drivers.Many have quit for this reason.Only Abe finally posted the crap he goes thru and im real glad he did.Abe was very professional thruout the conversation but his dispatcher was not.
I drive now and companies that claim they care about safety will get you killed or your license suspended, In all my years, I have only worked for one company that cared about its drivers and the safety of their equipment, and unfortunately they went out of business. I had a brand new trailer fully loaded that lost a airbag, they had me sit till it could be repaired, it broke again, they had me towed to a shop that could fix it, but the part had to be shipped, I sat there three days, they did not complain, or threaten me about trying to move it. I also was paid for the time I sat.
After them, it went downhill so fast, I couldnt catch my breath, It has been me giving them hell, about not driving it unless it is fixed.
Just wondering, but how has no one tried to file a lawsuit against this company. The dispatchers reactions seem like it is enough to win the case for unsafe treatment of employees, it seemed like all the dispatchers said the exact same thing and had no real resolution rather than to make it on time and not lose the customer.
Back when I took my CDL course (91) several recruiters told us if your running short on road time and the disparture gives you a hot load take it, drive as far as you can till your out of time pull over call dispatch-they going to try ever trick in the book to keep you rolling-the load is hooked-if they want to fire you your with the wrong company anyway. I realize different situation and times have changed, life to the corps mean little to nothing, but I know I couldn't live my life knowing I kept the hammer down, fell asleep and took a life. I'm out the truck now and in a wheelchair, but driving still in my blood. Friends driving are always telling the dispatch nightmares...I think they should require time behind the wheel for every dispatcher (or hire guys like me) so they know the life on the road, like for instance, friend had issue last week dispatch pick up hot load in Detroit have it to Chicago in an hour and a half....keep it between the lines driver...
if i wake up after sleeping for 8 hours and dont get a load for another 11 hours ima tell dispatch they can have that. straight like that.
just like that!
but then you get fired for refusing the load.
LMAO
That's why I pull a skateboard!
I love the wake up refreshed feeling good ready to go. And then 15 hours later oh we got this load go get it now and run all night you gotta get there. After being up all day and then im dead tired from waiting on poor dispatch planning? Ill call you tomorrow im going to bed. Click
Video starts at 7:20 mark. His thoughts on Abe's Truth About Trucking video. You are welcome.
Ummm im a driver. Experienced at that. Its called "forced dispatched" big companies do that shit all the time.... Im glad i own my own shit now. But dispatchers DO NOT give you the opportunity to turn down the load. They push shit on you all the time. This cat says be professional.... Well that goes both ways. I guarantee abe was forced into that. I have been through this alot. They threaten your job. They make fun of you.... I drove for swift also... Werner... And mesilla valley. All 3 companies do that shit. Its bad. Its all bad. And yes you can change it. Change it by speaking up. Thats exactly what abe did. He tried telling his dispatcher he couldn't. They clearly forced him. We all seen the vid lol. We heard both sides of the story. So he blasted them on social media. He tried being professional. That didnt work... Profesional was admitting he could not do it. And he was operating in an unsafe manor.
Damnnn....................:)
Great Video big guy! I come from a family of truck drivers and owner operators. To be the best you gotta be mentally prepared get shit done!
This guy was very informative and spoke from the heart. I'm considering truck driving and my fears are somewhat answered by his statements. Very good video. Cheers!!!
i couldnt have asked for a better pep talk, been thinking about making the jump to trucking but a little apprehensive cause i dont know what questions i need to ask.
subbed and liked, great video!
I don't know how long this guy has been in the industry but. IF YOUR ON A 2ND 10HR BREAK 9x out of 10 you won't be able to drive after being up for that long.
The company is at fault and unprofessional for a couple reasons: 1. they gave him two 10 hour breaks in a row, 2. they hired unprofessional dispatchers who are a lawsuit waiting to happen. These dispatchers should be trained extensively on how to handle tired drivers, and it needs to be drilled into their heads that they can NEVER tell a tired driver to keep driving. As soon as they put him on two 10 hour breaks in a row, they needed to plan for him to sleep after 16-18 hours of being awake.
time management is a big factor. let's keep putting those miles behind us and do it safe.
You put it simple and truthfully. Trucking is all about time management and not making bad decisions that will haunt you like the ghost orbs in Cats truck.
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Well said!
In fact you bring forth points better than I would have. Thank you for bringing forth the logic and the other side to this.
The world needs more people like you man. We don't know how to talk to each other anymore and I just got schooled on how to love while being truthful.
Gay
Hello their BigCatTrucker
I am thinking of going into the trucking industry. But I can't decide who to go to. Prime? Jim Palmer? Roehl? Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
Oh and thanks for the video. Very informative.
man thank you for this video..you are so right when you mentioned it sends the wrong message to up coming drivers...i am currently in the process of taking the training course for a CDL A to be a trucker...so thanks a lot ..
Not really sure if im out of line guys but i ran about 3300 miles this week. I get moody sometimes but the whole thing is that maybe hes right; maybe hes wrong. Yes we all fall down but we get back up because we have to.
This is the most common sense view on this whole situation I have heard yet. I hate the situation Abe got himself into. But it basically goes back to what I was taught from a very young age. Finish what you start. If you can't finish it don't start it. Once you commit others are counting on you to do your part. Abe did what he did and its easy for me to give my opinion after the fact. I like to start my day at about 2am. less traffic and easy to find a spot at the truck stop. Then appointment times don't always cooperate. In this business you have to be able to rest when you have to. I hope everything works out for Abe and wish him nothing but the best. Great video man.
Abe was absolutely in the right. No load is worth your life or someone else's. This guy is just speculating. And needs to stop spitting when he talks.
abe should have declined the load because he CAN'T run hard. he was right about safety but wrong on the load. what did he think was going to happen after his 10 hours were up? a day off? plz
FU666 no Abe was wrong he should have picked up a lizard and hammered down to his destination
ABE NEEDS TO FIND A NEW CAREER LOL AND NO ABE WAS WRONG.
thomas cooper no he wasn’t stop being a jackass u normy d class citizen
Tom, Abe was pushing it all on his dispatch trying to justify his "lazy" mental habit. He has a lazy tendency that's a bit obvious. He was looking at getting 8 hours of sleep and exhibiting a "cry baby" type of demeanor! All he needed was a short nap and that would have stopped the micro's! Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon that he'd hoped to create! This has become a crybaby world and all of you taking his side without knowing he could have been fine with a short nap are enabling this disgusting de-volved type of mentality!
Not only companies but D.O.T. can cause this also. Years ago I was coming out of Washington state one time and was pulled over at the port of entry in Coeur d'Alene Idaho. They inspected my log book and shut me down for 8 hours because I had made a mistake in my logbook. I had a rest stop in Walla Walla Washington and had only driven a couple of hours before I reached the Idaho line. When I stopped in Walla Walla and did a post-trip I accidentally drew a line across the driving line instead of the sleeper berth line. I then did a pre-trip in Walla Walla and started driving. The officer said he knew what had happened but had to shut me down anyway. They did not fine me which they could have but felt it was an honest mistake.
if you start to fall asleep at the wheel stop your truck and get some sleep the only response from dispatch should be we will reschedule the delivery appointment then bring you into the terminal to discuss future trip planning. right or wrong don't drive when sleepy . when i leave the yard i'm the captain and responsible and held accountable for the safe operation of my truck all companies push but it's the driver's duty to push back when dispatchers step over the line. also if you're thinking about becoming a truck driver DON'T
I'm not a trucker (much respect to all you people), but I watched all these videos and your comments are the most honest statements I ever heard. I own a company and being an owner and listening to you and how you put things into perspective tells me how lucky the company is who you work for. I just wanted to pay you a compliment !
Great video Big Cat! I want to become a Driver, a Long Haul driver and you keep me inspired!
I drove for Werner for 1 year (didn't like all the crap), they did similar stuff to me. Send me off to 10buck2 to deliver a load with no new load to pick up. I would do a 10 hour, then wake up in the morning ready for a load... no load until 10 pm that night, expecting you to drive the load when you've been awake all day waiting for the load. You can't sleep indefinitely and just wake up when they decide to give you a load. If you don't take the load, then they start screwing you around on giving you loads, in my opinion. The dispatching could be better and not play the childish games! all to make crappy pay. I made more money when I actually drew unemployed 3 years later.
thank you very helpful information thinking about becoming a truck driver
I must agree with you, how someone can be off for twenty hours and not be rested he had to be doing something during the second ten hours off - part of that time should of been used for sleep prior to taking on a load. I am going to start trucking school next week & I know how to get my rest during my down time!
Big Bro! I salute your demeanor and respectful articulation! IM ALL FOR THE LOGIC… and you laid it down!
Thanks for summing it all up!
I did see the Abe video referenced. The problem with these big companies is the safety director will tell you to do exactly like Abe did, but the dispatchers will twist your arm to get you to stay running. Abe did think he could do it and gave it a shot, but somewhere in the middle he felt he just couldn't continue and he pulled off. If it was me I would have bought more Red Bull and done the jumping jacks, but who knows, I might be the guy that eventually falls asleep behind the wheel too.
does a half hour to an hour power nap really gets you in trouble?
If your not safe, you don't drive. If a driver constantly bullshits, its one thing. If an otherwise good driver simply gets exhausted, it's another story.
I agree he should have communicated better with his dispatch and maybe tried to sleep during that second break. I defended him about the dispatchers trying to force him to run though. I think they were totally wrong regardless if it's the driver's fault or fault of the company.
Oh this isn't really the way all companies treat us. I have dropped the ball a few times like he did and I got scolded and the dispatchers were mad but was never told to get out and walk around to wake myself up then keep on driving. They just rescheduled the delivery.
Listen to the original video. He worked 11 hours, then slept 10, then woke up had 30 minutes to drop off a trailer 20 miles away then another 10 hour break. Who can actually handle that bs.
Big cat I see your point we are professionals, and he should have refused the load, but a professionals does also make a decision to save lives, and protect the motoring public.
There is an old trucker trick, you can used to get rest. Lay as still as possible ,do not play video games or use any hand movement. You can listen to low solf music or close your eyes and meditate.
I agree with you BigCat Trucker, he could have just not taken load but a lot of drivers are pushed into it. I was woke up several times by my DM before my ten was up wanting me to accept a load and when I cut my phone off he sent a message on QC saying if I did not answer he would have police do a welfare check on me. I got to where I would only answer messages on QC and told them my phone was off limits until they wanted to pay for it, but as time goes on and you do not kiss their butts you get crap loads. I did not have an issue running anything and would even do 24 and crappy 34 mile loads for them only to get a 264 mile load. The only thing I would always check weather and time I had to get load there and if I did not have it I would reject or call DM to see the window, it does not help you to do that where I am because they get mad. It is Trucking and yes you do need to do what you can and should reject if you cannot do it and I think that is what you were getting at so I agree 100% but it is hard sometimes to know which is the best way to go because you run a thin line between safe and getting miles all the time.
Well said Big Cat, and that's coming from former experience as a driver myself.
Ok BigCatTrucker, your point is some what valid, you don't get it. Dispatchers are assholes, they try to use your time at the shipper, or time at the receiver towards your 10 hour sleeper break! According to 7 Highway patrolmen ive spoken to recently, they all said the same exact thing, when I asked them is it legal for the company to force me to go driving after 4 hours of sitting at a shipper or 6 hours waiting for my load to be unloaded or loaded at these warehouses, I asked them is it legal for the company I work for to force me to drive after im done being unloaded and only got like 3 to 4 hours of sleeping at the truck stop! And they all said the same thing "No its not legal, any time spent operating the vehicle, anytime your at a shipper or a receiver is not legally sleeper birth break or 10 hour break time.
You may know as a truck driver we are forced to do things we know are not legal, I got balls enough to tell these companies to fuck themselves I won't kill people or end up having an accident OR lose my license so they can make a profit in the millions while im struggling for chump change!
And I can vouch for that video I worked for K&B they are assholes hell all dispatchers I've been through have basically been assholes! But you don't know until you've actually worked for K&B they TRIED OVER AND OVER TO FORCE ME TO DRIVE FATIGUED THEY DIDN"T EVER CARE IF I WAS TIRED OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After a few months I told them to fuck off! Literally, When I was done driving I turned my phone off and went to sleep If im too tired to drive I wasn't driving period!!!!!!! But THERE SHOULD BE LAWS AGAINST DISPATCHERS AND COMPANIES FORCING OR THREATENING DRIVERS PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joshua Dearden People are so afraid of dispatchers. They shouldn't be. If you're afraid of them, you'll never get their respect. If you take the 49CFR into their office with you, and sit down and tell them "Okay, you've never seen this book, so I'm going to show you where you're wrong, and in most cases, illegal. If you want, we can get the dispatch manager in here, so he can help us here." I've done that more than once. I got their respect, and I've not only been treated better, because I do know that law, but I also got much better loads. We even became friends in two instances.
Joshua Dearden There is a law against it, Joshua. The 49CFR, which you should know cover to cover. Learn it and use it as a weapon against them, because they sure as hell don't know it. Also, if you refuse to take their shit, and use the CFR as a guide, you'll get their respect and much less harassment. They save it for the newbies. I had a dispatcher who kept calling me one night after I'd just driven 24 hours straight. I told him I was taking a 12 hour bunk break. Every time he called, I'd say "My 12 hours starts *now*. Quit calling" He'd call back just as I drifted off "My 12 hours starts *now*. Call again, and I take _24 hours_ off. Quit calling." It worked. :-)
SemperFido9915 i love it thank you! The advice is solid
As a four wheeler sharing the road I do like to watch truckers on you tube. It is amazing to watch some very safe and professoinal poeple handling big trucks! If car drivers where as good! I did a small driving job in the military in crains and oversized missile trailers and it wasn't easy! You folks do a great service stay safe for your own good!
hello boss i just wanna kno .whats the hadr part on the new york or anywhere around the state i got my A permit and am waiting on the road test i wanna kno whats the hard part on passing that test .. thanks ..
Well said man! I'm not a trucker but thinking about it. And I agree with what your saying.
Big Cat, how do you know if trucking is for you. I've been thinking about truck driving for some time now. But haven't made the commitment as of yet.Can you give me some good advice on what types to take. I didn't even know that trucker's where posting on RUclips, Wow you learn something new everyday.
Real talk man. You summed it up just right. When you drive, BE A PROFESSIONAL!!!
good on ya buddy, respect from northern Canada
i agree he shouldn't have accepted the load. but this is a common practice with dispatchers, they push and push. the second he said im tired falling asleep, that call is over period.
The thing 10 years ago when I was out there was I would roll out, and damn the log book. I would be tiered, I don't remember a load I wasn't tiered, but here's the rub now days these drivers can drive forward, shift through the gears, hangout at the truck stop, but planning is out the window. Its a hard job, things change. I know that nobody wants extra training, but doing a refresher orientation at 6 months, a year, and maybe every year and a half might help these guys get the fundamentals of paper work and trip planning. God bless you guy's and gal's on the road. I miss it and I miss yall.
So I’ve thought about what they were asking: basically it would be like sleeping at night to work at 8 a.m. job, then boss calls and says you need to come in at 6 pm instead and work the night shift until 7 am. So you would be up for almost 24 hours from that. Idk if We could do that or not, part of me says yeah I could and part says I may be tired as shit. Either way that dispatcher was definitely a terrible manager. The name is ironic though haha
As someone really looking to get into this, is there any money in this trade as a driver starting out driving for a company? Can i support at least myself? Can you tell me what I might be able to make weekly? Coming out of nyc I really need facts from someone that can tell me........?
Driving is the easy part. Being mismanaged is the more difficult part of the job. Tired is tired and that is that. A drivers rep is set after some time. Poor management and poor planning and unreasonable expectations. The industry itself is poorly set by having all the risk and burden go to the driver. Anything that goes not according to plan and the driver loses. May get some layover pay, but likely not. The dispatcher had nothing to lose and more to gain. If it was set up so that he faces fines or punishment should something happen - well he would not be so quick to say much. He communicated the situation and dispatch had him do it anyways. An appointment can be moved and it is of no major consequence if the customer gets their potato chips 12 hours later. Well, unless the dispatchers bonus should be smaller. Then and only then is there a dire need. He may miss a boat payment and that just is intolerable. Remember, a bad manager cares about 2 things. Pick-up on time and deliver on time. I have been ignored, dismissed, pushed, lied to and in general bullshitted. Being mismanaged is by far the most difficult part of the job! Drive safe everybody!
love your point of view. Hope your doing well.
Good video, great input and correct way to respond.
Thanks for putting it out there like a true professional.
I think safety should be the number one concern for these companies. Im no trucker but I do have friends in the industry. After taking a ten hour break he would have been ready to go but then he was told to take another. so he would be up all day and then attempt to make a run. He does not say how long he was on the road so you cannot be sure how long he had be awake. I know that if ive been up for over 12 hours sitting down I would get very fatigued. If you don't think the safety of others on the highway is more important than your paycheck then you need to be off the road.
You are right, being a dependable driver is key to success . We all know he was wrong for taking the load, but our issue is with how his company told him to put his life and the lives of others in jeapordy just to deliver that load . That was WRONG OF THE COMPANY , not the driver
Dispatchers r wrong sometimes.
It’s not always the drivers fault.
After I obtain my cdl's I would like to transport semi truck's.. From the factory to the dealers. What steps do I need to take to go in this path, anyone with knowledge please give me in sight thanks
I had a brief stint in the industry as a driver. Miles are everything. Everything. The driver needs the money and the firm needs the freight on time. Safety is a distant third.
I agree with you 100%, it was up to the driver to use his discretion and knowledge of trucking and what is expected on the job to make a conscious decision at the time it was appropriate to make, not at the time having committed to deliver a load at the company’s reputation and/or expense
Good video!!!
Keep on trucking and always be safe
Rest doesn’t equal sleep. Being awake for a 17 hours even if you’re doing nothing will still make you tired and will be hard to stay awake.
I'm sorry, but you missed the point. I'm not a big fan of Abe, but here's the REAL issue. Maybe Abe did make a mistake taking the load -- he probably should have turned it down (though when he accepted it, maybe he felt fine and didn't think he was going to get tired). The problem is the way the dispatcher reacted. Why are you going on about Abe, and how drivers jump on issues and attack for no reason? When you tell your dispatcher you're unsafe to drive, _even if it was your fault that this situation happened_, they should have no problem with it. They certainly shouldn't threaten your job over it. Maybe discipline you for taking the load when you shouldn't have, but not for stopping when you feel unsafe. The whole hoopla was over the dispatcher being a complete idiot, not about Abe's decisions up to that point.
I sleep 8 hours a day, if you can't stay awake 20 hours after a 8 hour sleep there's something wrong with you
+Turdes Prudence Yup
what should dispatch have done out of interest?
Turdes Prudence That's not true. You only know your own body -- everyone is different.
max conran The dispatcher should simply have said -- okay, no problem, disconnect your trailer and go to sleep. We'll get someone else to pick it up when possible, we'll tell the customer we're sorry the load is running a bit late, and we'll have a meeting about this when you get back. Maybe they'd make him take a training course on driver scheduling, or something. They shouldn't be upset -- rather this, than a dead driver, a dead family in some other car, and a destroyed load.
Is Carver Sloan right about the 14 hour clock?If so the driver would have been in violation.Just asking thinking about getting a CDL
i used to do this basically every day. Deliver a load just outside Pittsburgh PA, do a 10, and while i was resetting there was another driver working for the same company switching pre-dropped trailers, then I'd head down to New York City...was the best runs ever if I could get to sleep right away.
when u 1st stared do u drive day and night??? and when u get ur own truck do u run day and night???
I appreciate your thoughts on this.
Question; I'm about to obtain my first ever drivers license and finishing my G.E.D.
I'm 25 years of age, I have no kids, not married, nor am I in a relationship..
My question is, once I get this all done could I be able to obtain my CDL Class A license?
Yes
Thanks BigCat. Good thoughts. Safe travels.
ok sir for one he was not trying to make anyone look bad for second he clearly stated that he was afarid of repercussions if he refused when your a company driver u are forced dispatched. u have valid points sir but i think your miss understanding the point of his video
THANKS FOR THE TIPS BROTHER ....
I totally agree with your position .. if you can't do it then don't take the load... but what I do have a problem with is that when he had an agreement with dispatch that he was going to sleep 2 hours and then continue the trip. They agreed to that then turned around and broke it by sending the police 45 mins. into the 2 hr. sleep(rest) saying "they(dispatch) were concerned". That was below the belt. It is that game I don't care for.
You camera is super clear!! I even see the dust particles in the air! Good camera... As far as your post. JOB WELL DONE!! Humble guy
If dispatchers had their way you would not sleep, eat, shower, take a dump etc. You would run from place to place non stop till you wore all the rubber off the tires.
Love your channel. Why don't you post more? Your a knowledgeable dude and I enjoy your perspective on trucking. It's always been something Ive wanted to do. I have a great paying job but trucking just seems like freedom. Anyway, thanks for putting out great content. Jay
Absolutely my friend love your opinion this guy doesn't have a leg to stand on with over 20 hours rest keep them coming thanks for keeping it real
I completely agree. As an upcoming rookie female driver I can see the logic behind how the company set up the schedule that way. A lot of Abe's videos have great information but that situation could have and should have been handled better on both ends. Thanks for the honest input!
Lol, these companies are full of threats. I had it happen to me, and a few times i drove tired. I was close to my destination, so I pushed through and made the delivery, but one time I had an Abe moment where I was just too tired to go. I called and told them I was done for the day, i needed sleep. They tried a lot of what they tried with Abe, but I let them know I wasn't asking permission to rest. I was simply letting them know what I was GOING to do. I was told I would lose the load, lose my job, have to find my way home, etc. I said 10-4, turned my phone off, and went to sleep. In the morning I had a message that the receiver would be at the drop site by a certain time to unload my truck. Lol. So much for me losing my load and job. Listen, Im all for running hard and doing everything you can to get the job done, but if you can't, you can't, and your safety is your responsibility. That is non negotiable. Good for Abe.
Great comment. "You gotta plan ahead and expect the unexpected". How exactly does that work!
i understand what bigcat is saying but making the company look bad is a no no? i think that company should be out of business i worked there but i never ran into abes situation. i always kept going or pulled over got a power hour nap. But abe is a baby
bringjeffthehorizon He worked for Werner, by the look of his jacket. They score highest when it comes to driver abuse. In fact, last I heard, the only people who will work for them are trucking school graduates. They deserve every bad mouthing they get, from my experience with them.
You sir are a fucking moron. Hopefully you get to experience the tragedy of brushing off safety. Do airlines question a tired or unsafe pilot? No, he is in control of his aircraft & there are no negotiations there! No wonder you drive a fucking truck for a living, jackass.
I admit, truckers are a breed apart (I'm saying this in a positive manner). There's no way I can drive the amount of miles they do all the time. I suck when I'm driving in the snow (I'm comparable to an old lady), I freak out when I'm in unfamiliar territory, & I'm a homebody.
Good Job BigCatTrucker! Stay Blessed and Stay Safe!
Keep up the good videos don't stop man
Yeah he finally gets to the point 8:00 minutes into the video. This is why I don't ask any advise or anything from other drivers. I am pretty sure BigCat has heard this before. Makin all that money.
Thank you sir you have help promote the slavery in trucking. Go drive 1000 miles get paid 900 makin all that money.
As a 19 year trucking veteran who has moved on to other things, this fella here has no point. He shrugs off safety, and attempts to place the blame for failure on the only link in the chain that has safety as a concern.
When I drove I would take an hour or two break. A nap per say. I would feel refreshed and could move again; however, with that said K&B are jerks. I have been in the situation that guy was in and dealt with messed up dispatchers. The big difference was when I drove I did it for only a job. I was not interested in it ever being a long time career. I never had a problem turning down a load. My interest was completing my Undergraduate degree, and I let them know that when I started. I agree with Big Cat, he should have turned down the load at the beginning. I know my body and I would have known I would have been getting tired soon.
Right on point Big Cat . The company i work for , that move could cost you your job. If you can't do the assignment don't take the job. Nothing wrong with saying no..
those were my thoughts exactly! well said.
Hey boss thinking about getting into the OTR any advice at all I mean anything at all
dont.this aint trucking any more.if you like to be a robot then go for it but this aintb trucking anymore
Team " GET R DONE" Thanks big Mac , you preach the Truth!
Good way to put the video into perspective.
Like you're videos man, about to go to cdl school in two weeks...
Yup the way I look at it
Three things you do, is hook up weigh the load, if tired pull into the nearest truck stop and sleep for 8!hours continue the run..
If you're behave your second wind carry on until you. Feel tired and sleep
You are exactly correct. He should have told dispatch from the gate, just turned it down. It would have eliminated all this extra hardship on both driver and the other end of that radio as well as the cable latching on to the upper offices.
The future of trucking is workers from over seas being brought over to drive.There's not a shortage of truck drivers, there is a ton of truck drivers that are tired of the garbage pay, the lies, the pressure, the lack of a life. Pay being the biggest reason companies cant get drivers.
Problem: K&B is forced dispatch, anyone who's worked knows their intimidation tactics. Abe could've turned it down and k&b would've put a service failure on him.
I used to work there, I know how they work from experience. Abe exposed a major problem in the industry. Kudos to him for putting himself on the line!