Fuji 16-80 F4 R OIS WR: Reasons for buying (vs.18-55) and first impression after two weeks (English)
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- I discuss the features of Fujis new zoom lens "Fujinon XF 16-80mm F4 R OIS WR".
- Why did I buy the Fujinon XF 16-80mm F4?
- Why should it replace my Fujinon18-55mm F2.8-4?
- Why is it (hopefully) a good choice for city, travel and maybe even street photography?
The good old kit lens (Fujinon 18-55mm F2.8-4) is really a great lens. But a few things always annoyed me: The continuous aperture ring, the switch for the aperture automatic, the other switch for the OIS, the missing weather sealing "WR" and - last but not least - the limited focal length range. Therefore, I was very excited about the announcement of the new Fujinon XF 16-80mm in July. Even if a maximum aperture of F4 cannot compete with prime lenses, I mostly use an aperture from 5.6 / 8 at least in the city and street photography. This is why the f4 is completely sufficient for me. This and more information you will find in this video.
At the end of the video I show some pictures of my first two weeks with the new Fujinon XF 16-80mm F4 R OIS WR and my Fuji X-T3.
A detailed review will follow.
If you have questions about the lens or my channel, feel free to write me in the comments.
UPDATE:
Fuji released the second firmware update for this lens today (2019/11/11) and there seem to be big improvements:
- Super Sharpness
- Even more precise AF
- No more focus wobble
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UPDATE:
Fuji released the second firmware update for this lens today (2019/11/11) and there seem to be big improvements according to :
- Super Sharpness
- Even more precise AF
- No more focus wobble
You can download the new firmware here:
www.fujifilm.com/support/digital_cameras/software/firmware/lens/xf16-80mm/index.html
Source:
www.fujirumors.com/first-tests-of-firmware-1-02-for-fujinon-xf-16-80mm-f-4-sharper-images-shutter-shock-fixed-video-focus-wobble-gone/
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Thank you for taking the time to do a english version. Appreciate your efforts.
Thanks Steven!
Your English is excellent. I just ordered this lens and also own the 18-15mm so I was pleased to hear your point of view.
Glad it was helpful.
Hello from New Hampshire USA! Great review and humor. I appreciate you taking the time to re-produce it in English. I have ordered the Xpro3 and think this lens would be a good package to take on holiday. I believe the focus wobble issue has been fixed in the recent firmware release. Looking forward to your next English video.
Hey Joel. Thank you very much!
Wow, the X-Pro 3 with this lens will be extraordinary, I guess. Let me know about it!
Interesting to hear your thoughts on this lens and by the way your English is superb.
Great to have it in English... Thanks for that!
Great review.
Exactly what I was interested with.
Please keep up with Englisg reviews 🙏
I would welcome all videos in English. It will also give you a wider range of audiance. Having said that, I personally can manage German as Dutch person living in Germany since four years.
I will definitely think about it. Bedankt!
Very good video, well-explained. I do not need brick walls, either. Am going to get this lens for Christmas.
Very well done. I liked hearing about your impressions, rather than just a feature list. Thank you.
Excellent review! (Former Dusseldorf Einwohner, Charlotte, NC now). I will consider getting the 16-80 lens now, actually i own two fuji bodies X t1 and X h1. The pictures you showed are very nice despite the fact that the zoom is "not considered a street photo lens", actually i make use of what i have attached to my camera at the given time. I use to live in Dusseldorf for 12 years on Talstrasse. so Konigsallee was just minutes walk for me, i still miss it!
Thank you and greetings from the old world to the one! 👋
I appreciate your english version. Thank you!
You're welcome!
Literally took me 5 videos until I got to one that is a good comparison between the two lenses. Thank you for this.
One thing that would've been nice is if there was a side by side of the same scene shot with the different lenses. Then this would be the most comprehensive comparison guide.
Thank you. Unfortunately I don’t own the 18-55 anymore. 😏
Thank you for a great video, your opinion, and creating a English version. It was very well appreciated.
Thank you, Peter. I appreciate your kind feedback .
Großartiges Video! Sehr informativ und trotzdem auch locker und amüsant.Genau danach habe ich gesucht. Habe mir das 16-80 mm am Samstag beim lokalen Fotodealer bestellt. Mein 18-55 mm werde ich wahrscheinlich trotzdem erst mal weiterhin behalten. Danke für den Review! BTW, dein Englisch finde ich sehr gut!
Konrad Kristl Danke für das Lob. Ich werde noch eine längere Review machen in den nächsten 1-2 Wochen. Viel Spaß mit dem Objektiv!
I appreciate the effort to do this in English. You helped me come to a conclusion on which kit lens to get.
That was my intention. Thx for the feedback!
Great job and excellent rationale for your decision to replace the kit lens with this. Please keep them coming in English!
I did and I do! Thx for watching.
Great presentation, perfect English, please keep doing it! Vielen dank an dich.
Amazon has a X-T4 with 16-80mm kit available for pre order. Thanks for helping me choose this kit over the 18-55mm 👍
You are very welcome! Thanks for watching...
Thank you for doing such a detailed review! I viewed all your videos about the 16-80mm lens and they were all so helpful.
Thx for your feedback!
Fantastic video, and whilst I do speak a little German, I fully appreciated this in English. I am in the process of trying to buy either this lens or the 16-55 f2.8, however your video, has me put this lens in front of the 16-55 for right now... Thanks again for such an authentic approach to your video! Excellent value! Your English is impeccable too, should you be wondering! Well done!
Hey Edward. Thank you very much for this kind feedback, I really appreciate it.
Well done! You did an excellent job summarizing key comparison and contrast points between the two lenses most people will consider and I was looking for exactly that type of video. You also Did a great job keeping things organized and flowing while interesting at the same time. I would appreciate more English content for sure!
Bazilysk Thank you for the feedback. There already is a full review about this lens on my channel... Thx again.
Thanks for coming through with the English version...
Thanks for watching.
Yes, I like your channel in Englisih. It is the only language that I understand. Thank you for your review. It was very helpful to me. I am trying to determine if I want to buy the new X-T4 with our without that lens. I do want the 16-55, but I am a prime shooter. Although I love my 50-140
Unfortunately I don't know the 16-55 so well, but if the larger aperture is not critical for you, I would give the 16-80mm a try... Thx for watching.
Thanks for taking time to do the video..its also good to point out that you can also get the 16-80 with the XT3 for about £300 off
Correct. This video is one year old, when the lens was quite new. But it really became the alternative Kit Lens as I hoped for. Thx for watching!
Excellent and comprehensive lens review. Thank you very much.
Thx for the kind feedback!
Thanks for the english version of the review! Still not sure whether to make the purchase so this review is much appreciated.
Tarro Thanks! I plan to do a more detailed review in the next couple of weeks, mostly about city, street and maybe portrait...
This was an awesome review man. Thanks a lot for taking the time to convert it to English.
You’re welcome. And thank you for watching...
I appreciate your English efforts. Love from Colorado.
Mr. W Thank you. And thanks for watching!
That was a very useful review. Thank you very much! Now you've got me thinking I should find the funds to get the 16-80 ... . But in any case, yes please, I'd be happy if you did an English version.
Michael Carrithers English Review (Part 1) is coming in the next few days. Thank you for watching.
In 99% of shots - if you are doing any 'serious' video (movie making narrative or documentary) you will not be using zoom in shot, 'that strange way' as you so rightly put it. So the focus wobble thing is a meaningless 'problem'. Auto follow focus is generally good (for video it's either good - working as it should, or bad - you screw up the shot). Best practice is to pre set some zone focusing - not the same as what the camera auto focus calls 'zone') and then control the action within that zone. Wish this lens was one stop faster - it would be ideal but the iOS makes up for this to quite a degree. Not so much in low light with 1/48th shutter for 24 frames video though - the camera will need higher iso with inherent issues. It is one of the best options (on the budget end and beyond) for the majority of lighting states and will handle dark interiors if you are smart with supplementary lighting.
The weight difference is an issue for me. The 18 to 55 weight is just right if you carry it around all day on an X T3 for example. The 16 to 80 is relatively heavy by comparison.
But it also offers 16 instead of 18 (I changed my mind, it's great!) and 80mm (aka 120) instead of 55mm (aka 83). And for that the size and weight is relatively close. Thx for watching.
Which one would you say has better bokeh? I need bokeh for toy photography.
I enjoy re-watching some of your videos which I've watched before because I have the items reviewed such as this lens and the x100v. Your video on the x100v, where you give your list of cons (battery cover!!!) and pros was really good. I wonder, are you still using the x100v? Maybe I'll have to learn German to keep watching your videos 😉. Thanks for your videos!
Thank you so much for your work. I like your videos because they are informative and not too long. I also subscribed to this channel and look forward to seeing more of your videos. One humble suggestion, is to get a teleprompter system to read and look directly at the camera lens while recording if you are not already doing this in future videos. But that's just my two cents.
Well, this video is 11 months old and I am working with a teleprompter for quite a while now. 😉 Thx for watching and the subscription!
Great Video. I bought the lens for my X-T3. Greetings from Santa Barbara.
It’s a great combo! Stay safe!
Excellent review.
Thank you kindly!
Great videos. Just discovered your channel looking for 16-80mm lens review. Great talking points and calm presentation which is nice.
Thank you. I hope the review was helpful.
Been looking for this, very informative review!
Thank you!
Thanks for the review. Look forward to seeing more pictures with this lens
Thank you, Benjamin. I will do some more videos about it soon.
Very informative. Thanks.
Thank you!
Loved this video, yes more in English pls
Amzing review!!! Thank you pal ! 😍
You’re welcome. Thx for watching.
@@Jayshooter_photo subscribed! Maybe I even learn some German =)
Exactly the lens I was considering. Thanks much.
Dan Friedman Thanks! Also have a look at the full review videos about this lens here on my channel.
Wonderful videos. You have a very good way of explaining and speaking and your humor is fun as well. Keep doing what you're doing and thanks)))
Thank you, Robert!
Excellent review - well done thoroughly enjoyed it
Thank you, I appreciate that!
Great laid-back videos! Yes please to more in English. Vielen dank! 😀👍🇬🇧🇩🇪
Thx for your kind feedback. Bitteschön!
Great review! Thank You!
You're welcome!
The argument that constant f4 on the 16-80mm is an advantage over variable aperture f2.8-4 on 18-55 is totally bogus… you can set the 18-55 to f4 and it becomes constant f4 aperture as well plus as a bonus you are getting an extra stop of light at the wide angle… you were not the only one who has made the argument
I stay with it: It can be an advantage. The aperture ring is "infinite" with the 18-55 because of the inconstant maximum aperture. You have to look at your screen, wich aperture is set up. Only if you don't care about that, the additional stop is an advantage.
Terrific! Please include videos in English too. Thank you!
Thank you, Thomas. I did, as you can see. :)
thanks for this review since I'm considering using it as my primary walkaround lens given its focal range and versatility;
I'd hardly detect German as your native language unless stated by you;
you do have a simple, informative, and minimalist way to present your review that I do welcome;
question: great photos and style, are these processed from raw or straight from in-camera Jpeg files?
Sorry, I missed some comments in within the last 7 days... The images at the end of the video are all out of cam as far as I remember. Thank you for watching!
This was useful, thank you.
katelikesrectangles You’re welcome. Thanks for watching.
Really great video 😘❤️
Thx!
Oh yeh and definitely English as I’ve just subscribed 👍
Yes, I switched the channel completely to English... Thanks for watching!
Great video, your English is impeccable! Danke!👍🇦🇺😎
Glad you think so! ; )
What i think is great is that it is a lens that is way better (than the 18-55) filling the gaps of the prime lenses, let me explain:
Apart from the upgraded range, what i appreciate is the way it “fights” in low light. You have two options: wider aperture or slower shutter speed (which in involves stabilization). As prime lenses go for the wider aperture and no stabilization, having the oposite is nice for the cases you dont want anything out of focus. So as the new lens has better stabilization and less aperture it is better in that way.
I absolutely agree. I tried street photography in the dark with the lens and the performance is absolutely remarkable.
Great video
English please for future productions 👍
George P Yep, I already switched the whole channel to EN some months ago. Thank you for watching!
Thanks for not showing ugly pictures!!! 🤣
Great review thanks,👍
Craig Wliams Thank you for watching! 🙏
Subbed. Thanks Jay, wonderfully informative video and compliments on you mastery of a foreign language. You should definitely do more content in English which will open up the whole world to you. Already your most viewed video. Perhaps you could split up your content into German and English channels, like iPhonedo does with his English/Turkish offerings. Looking forward in seeing more FujiFilm content. Tschüssie!
Compliments go back to you for the "Tschüssie!". :D
I will definitely think about your suggestion about splitting up my content...Let´s see....
Thank you for watching ...
@@Jayshooter_photo Married to a German lady :)
Thank you for the English video. Although I speak and understand some German, I can much better absorb the full content in English. BTW, your use of our language is impeccable. Although I have some interest in the 16-80mm lens, I fear that it might not balance properly on my X-E3. My 18-55 is already larger than desirable for an ultra compact body. On the other hand, I would like to obtain a bit more sharpness and detail than the 18-55 in some situations. So how would you rate the sharpness and micro contrast of one lens versus the other? Thank you. /Warren
Regarding sharpness they’re both great options, I can’t see much of a difference. It’s the versatility that made me choose the 16-80.
Great review. If I can find a copy I'm going to try and get this lens this week.
I thought the video flaw was pretty funny after I saw it in action. For sure don't zoom in and crazy like that.
Thanks for watching, Zach. Give it a try, I am really happy with it so far. And Fuji today has released a new firmware (1.02) to this lens. Maybe the crazy wobbling-thing has been fixed. And if not: I still don’t care. :)
@@Jayshooter_photo I'm having this lens delivered to my job tomorrow. Was able to find one. I've also fully made the switch to Fuji this week. Sold all but one of my Canon lenses. Got the Fuji 35mm f2, the 50mm f2 on the way, and the 16-80 coming tomorrow. Last lens to get will be the 10-16mm.
Your English is very good!
I don't know if that's true. ; ) But thank you very much!
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Christian Thüringer Thx for watching!
Great review. Are you still using the 16-80 in 2022?
Yes, I do! But not on a general basis, because I mostly work with primes in my street photography.
well, since I can only understand the English portion of your channel, I'd say, Yes. Do it.
I did. :D
If you need the extra reach why not go with the 18-135? It is also WR.
Because it’s lacking the compact size. I want a lightweight lens to carry around everywhere. Thx for watching!
I was 100% onboard with the 16-80 but then they weird video zoom focus thing? Hmm. Nice pixies shirt!
If you are doing stills mainly I would not care about it. If video is one of your goals, have a test on your own. I use it a lot for my YT videos but zooming like this is nothing that I care about of course. Thx for watching!
@@Jayshooter_photo I do both, but yes that particular zoom thing would only be for fun. I now read your pinned comment. Since weather sealing is more important this is my choice. Cheers!
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Hello, english is also easier for me despite i’m close to germany...😊
Mmmmh. Please try using the subs then. ;)
Thanks for the review, Jay. Speaking of street photography and auto focus speed, and being a user of the 18-55mm, did you find the 16-80mm noticeably faster than the 18-55mm?
I own the 18-55mm and it often finds hard time focusing quickly on the subject. That's why I am considering the 16-80mm if the auto focus is faster.
Thanks
I did not compare the two lenses directly regarding AF, but I don’t feel much of a difference here. I never had problems with the AF of the 18-55, except maybe in low light situations. But don’t get me wrong: The AF of the 16-80 is in my opinion fast and precise. Maybe you should go and test it on your camera body before buying it.
Yes please make English videos
I already switched the channel completely to EN. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the review in English...
You're welcome! And thx for watching.
How is the bookeh on the XF 16-80mm f/4 R OIS, I shoot mainly breweries and gastronomic content. Grüsse aus Mexiko!
Bokeh is awesome at 80mm and still very pleasing at 50mm. Grüsse zurück!
People, play the video at 1.25 speed and its perfect! Johann, your English is very good, just a bit slow :) But the most important thing - your video is useful, well done and your logic is solid, I believe. As a sidenote, make comparison with the 18-135. If majority of your shooting is at 5.6, you can use the 18-135 as a constant 5.6 lens and get to 200mm equivalent. My personal favorite :)
Haha! Thanks, man. Btw, in the meantime I made a full review. Maybe there you will find my speed of talking more appropriate. 😉
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Keep up the english version , great stuff, Thank you.. SUBSCRIBED>>>
Thank you!
Gruss nach Duesseldorf, super video, danke!
Danke Dir fürs Zusehen!
Excellent review , would be great if you keep the English going
Thanks, Trevor. I probably will!
Hey Jay! Some good point. I struggle to choose a telephoto as well. Have you tought about 18-135 which is very similar with variable apature? I wonder what you think about this lens and also 55-200. I am not sure what to buy myself and I also like street and traveling and videos to learn hmmm
GregoryD Hey. Thanks for watching and your comment. I must confess, I do not know both lenses from my own experience. I thought about the 18-135, but it is an older lens (2014) and according to reviews you have to accept disadvantages in the image quality as with all super zooms. And it still costs nearly 800€ in Germany. o_O
With the "55-200" I simply miss the wide angle range, because I do not want to change lenses. Hope this is helpful. ;)
@@Jayshooter_photo Thanks for replay. Hm yeah new one here in scotland in 650 for 18-135£ used for 500 but 16-80 is even more expensive new 770. Hmm I like primes 16mm 1.4, 35 & 50 F2 for street and portraits so thats why i thought maybe 55-200 would be good with those. I want to buy XH-1 camera and kinda bothers me that stabilizations together with 16-80 dont work well or better in pair and its not good for videos with wobbles etc so maybe better if I wait until they fix it. Hard to choose lenses haha
thanks for this... what were u looking at the entire video mate? yes English for sure.....
Well, uhm, this was my first english video on this channel and I had no proper solution to read my text... I was looking at an iPad, if I remember it right.... :D
Thx for watching!
Just a suggestion, I think you have an external screen attached on the top of your camera, so you kept looking above the lens, that made me felt you ain't talking to me, which is your audience. Try to look right at the lens instead will make a better connection to your viewers.
Thank you, Penny. Yes, my solution is still somewhat improvised. I'm working on it, sorry for that.
Lovely pixies tshirt
Thx. One of my favorite bands of all time...
Jay knipst yeah mine too. Great video exactly what I was looking for! Thanks
excellent review. and yes, English please if possible!
Thanks for watching....and yes, it's all in english since Xmas. :D Have a look at my channel.
5:22 mark...if it works for you, use it.
Vikingdescendent That’s what I was trying to say... ;) Thx for watching!
the new update fix the wobbling issue.
Yes, indeed! Thanks...
Its better but not fixed
Still a great lens for anything else but “videozooming“, buy it...
Great video thumb up and subscribed
Thank you, Ernest! 🙏
Hey Jochen, 16-55 oder 16-80? Habe bisher nur die 18-55, vermisse manchmal ein paar mm mehr Brennweite, sehne mich aber sehr nach mehr Bokeh.. Oder die 18-55 behalten und eine Prime dazukaufen? Bin Hobbyist, schiesse ein bisschen von allem, am meisten macht mir aber Produktfotografie Spass (Autos/Motorraeder). Laut "Exposure Plot" app benutze ich am meisten ~30mm(33%), ~50mm(23%), und ~20mm(17%), die restl. 27% meiner Fotos sind gleichmaessig auf den uebrigen Brennweitenbereich verteilt.. Danke vielmals im Voraus!
Dennis Bautembach Moin Dennis. Das 16-55 ist mit den durchgehenden f2.8 natürlich auch eine sehr gute Alternative, wenn Du durchgehend etwas mehr Bokeh und bei einem Zoom bleiben möchtest. Das 16-80 hat eben „nur“ F4. Dafür ist das Bokeh zwar sehr schön, wie ich finde, kommt aber natürlich hauptsächlich im Tele zum Tragen. Ich persönlich würde Dir für Deine Fotografie tatsächlich empfehlen, ein Prime zum 18-55 dazu zu kaufen und dann mehr Deine Füße zu benutzen, was bei Autos und Motorrädern ja meist gehen sollte. Ich kann die WR f2 Primes sehr empfehlen und denke da in Deinem Fall vor allem an das 35mm f2. Das ist eine supergeile Linse für relativ kleines Geld. Vom alten 35mm f1.4 würde ich eher abraten weil langsam und teurer. Es kommen bald auch noch drei Viltrox Linsen für Fuji raus (23,33 und 56), das 85mm gibt es schon und es ist in Tests super weggekommen. Wenn manuelle Linsen infrage kommen, schau mal bei Samyang. Aber der heiße Tipp bleibt das 35mm. Danke fürs Zusehen!
@@Jayshooter_photo Schwierig, schwierig, schwierig.. warum kann Fuji bloss kein 18-200mm f1.4 Objektiv herstellen welches 100g wiegt und 200EUR kostet =/ Danke fuer die ausfuehrliche Antwort! Werd mir fuer meinen naechsten "Shoot" das 35mm f2 mieten und schaun wie wir aufeinander klarkommen^^
Tja, warum bloß? 😂
18mm is simply not wide enough
It is! Depending on what you do. 😉
Excellent video! English would be great!
I did! Thank you...
Yes please to English
Too late... ;)
Why is your video in black and white? It's hard to see the lens
Maybe I should provide some packshots in color... Still working on my vlogging skills so thanks for the note.
The lens is black lol
Jon Howard Good point. So no packshots in color. :D
Why would it have a continuous aperture ring when it's a constant f4? That's awful.
To be honest: I dont get your comment. Sorry.
@@Jayshooter_photo You said the aperture ring spins continuously. That's how they make lenses with variable aperture. It's weird that it wouldn't have a normal aperture ring like other constant aperture lenses.
Okay, now I have it. It is clear that with variable aperture the ring has to be like it is on the 18-55. I just said that I do not like that and so I'm glad it's different on the 16-80. :)
Are 16-80 rings made of rubber or metal?
The Focus ring seems to be all metal, also the Aperture ring. The Zoom ring has a rubber surface. Thx for watching.
@@Jayshooter_photo Thx for info. Full metal would be better like in Olympus.
Sie Englisch sprechen ist sehr gut!
Thank you very much. This is a very motivating feedback... I always hope to be at least understandable. Thx for watching!
Hawkeye
Allllllright. ;)
English 👍🏻
I did.
0 people shoot with 18-55mm
Not true. Have a look at Omar Gonzales channel. Thx for watching...
@@Jayshooter_photo I know LOL, it was related to the likes ;)
Leave it mainly in German. Because there's not much Fuji content in German on RUclips.
Sorry, I did not... But have a happy new year!
Informative video but who are you looking at!
Well, it’s an old English video so probably at my notes.
more englihs content, please
SanSan Sanjay Thank you! There is already, did you subscribe to my channel?
Thanks for video, but next time you should at least once look at the lense, not the lcd...it looked like you was talking with someone else.
Yeah, my gear has improved in the meantime. It should be better in my newest videos.
Bitte nur Englisch
Danke für die Antwort auf Deutsch, Jeff. ;)
I will! Decision was made...
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