EXPOSING The Myths Of The Vedic Era | Dostcast 177 w/
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Jay Vardhan Singh is a Ph.D scholar in Indian History at JNU. He also runs a RUclips channel where he posts about the lesser known facts and nuances of Indian history.
In this podcast,
▸ Vinamre and Jay talk about the history of ancient India
▸ How literature and architecture helps in writing history of a place
▸ How wars were fought in the ancient times
You can follow Jay on:
RUclips: / @jayvardhansingh
Twitter: Jayvtweets?t=cwXm...
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:54 Was the Vedic Era real or fiction?
5:48 Do you consider religion as history or fiction?
12:05 The history of the Mauryan Empire
16:18 Why is ancient Indian history mostly oral?
22:36 Modern war vs ancient war
33:44 What makes Ashoka great?
38:12 Did Ashoka really change after the Kalinga War?
39:35 Why Arthashastra is not a reliable source of history?
46:16 Xerxes invaded India?
49:34 Persian and Greek invasion in India
56:10 History of empires you've never heard of
1:01:59 The future of historians
1:03:32 Must-read books on Indian history
1:06:50 Conclusion
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Shlokas were passed on orally for tones preservation.
But written texts were also there but were burnt when 30+ universities and 100+ temple schools library were burnt down
Let's see your source. We have Vedic texts from medival India too.
@@codenamevisageveda's itself is not saying that
22:00 The reason the ancient Indians invented Sanskrit and cultivated a scholars or Brahmins whose mandate was to preserve the knowledge through an oral tradition!
This is precisely why the Xian and Islamic invaders killed Brahmins and Pandits whenever they could. And they are still doing it - from Kashmir to Tamil Nadu(Dravidian parties).
It was an interesting watch,keep making such amazing stuff 😊👍
It was super dope of Vinamre to put the youtube channel link in the title itself.
Bro I love this guy and his work !!!
His coverage is really good and very under rated !!!
Good boy.
Sakshaat Beluga, ap aur yahan..😱
@@angryshirts Sasta vala beluga hai vo
He pays attention to detail and it’s clear he loves doing this
@@AbleLawrencePhd from jnu for a reason
1:02:00 the future of 'history of india
Was my one of my fav segments from the whole podcast.
Jay said "geneticists" would help alot in verifying the migrations and also telling new stories of migrations.
I jyst want to make an addition (and also want to know if what I'm saying is right), that:
With the decipherment of the millions of untranslated sanskrit (and probably even in many more languages) texts, we would inevitably stumble upon new avenues of our written history.
And that may disrupt the whole present of indian history.
Yes but are people actively translating these texts?? Im afraid they may be rotting away without people ever knowing
@@tvrulz46 super negative take
@@Rishabhgoyal14002 But its a serious question. Who and how many people are employed in sitting down and translating this all day?
@@tvrulz46 i understand that you are actually concerned about this, but you did come off as a toxic comment there
Brilliant video
Kudos to Jay Vardhan
Nice podcast we need this man back to back
There is no Mahabharath without Bhagvath geetha.
Bahut badiya video hai, bring this history enthusiast back please 😇😃🙏🏻
With this podcast I think he is going to be a big youtuber
I want as much clarity as him in my life to say NO to everything I disagree with.
Interesting discussion.
1:00:06 What about Satrubhanja and the Nagas of Vindyatabi that ruled from Keonjhar. In his Asanpat inscription he talked about a war where all the Naga tribes united to defeat the last Kushanas(and there royal family jumped to Ganga and commited suicide). If you read the story of Kaundinya(Kalinga merchant who became a Cambodian king) and the Funan , the Nagas were a tribe in ancient Cambodia.
Jay Vardhan is doing great service to Indian history
Ashoka accept Buddhism many years before Kalinga war ...
Asoka was a lay buddhist,did take up buddhism as in pravajja post kalinga war.
@@placeboeffect7031 bro read again don't argue
@@omkar7372 he was a born Buddhist I said.
@@placeboeffect7031 yes he accept Buddhism before Kalinga war even before he kills his brothers
@@omkar7372 he did not kill his brothers 😂😂
Hi. where can i find your newletter?
Great podcast
Jai Vardhan is the best in analysing facts on the।basi of historical accounts and physical evidence s,so he is a historian in real sense,he is not a story teller, this is the basic। difference with others
Very knowledgeable 🕉️🇮🇳
In my opinionm Jay Vardhan Singh is India's best historian past and present. Not only his knowledge is amazing but he does not twist the facts. Always so interesting listening to him.
I would urge him to go into DNA analysis of India
That point some people tell history as story but Mr Jay tells history with fact that what I like more about him
Great podcast 👍👍
Well planned cities of IVC then nomadic life of vedic period ? It is hard to believe.
Which spotify geeta recording vinamre is talking about?
What's the difference b/w this headline and the headline of third-rate news channels?
So what content vastly better hai
Hi Jay Vardhan bhai, this was amazing to listen to, Vaad wali conversation se bhi zada achha laga, asaan shabdon mein (hindi) mein tha, aur ek birdseye view mil gaya reasoning ke sath.
But i have just one question
Here @53:50 you say that nothing was industrialised..
I am not against it, but from what I've heard is that we used to produce textile, steel, and spices at a somewhat industrial level then.
Morover, the unstichhed silk garments greeks wore, alot of them came from the then indian merchants.
(Probably)Thereby, telling the greeks that we are territory worth looting.
So, my question is that, can we say that what i know is true, or is it true for a later time period, and how conclusive is the evidence which suggests that.
I ask the conclusiveness of the evidence, because i want to know if a future discovery can change our view.
Thanks bhai itta read karna pada, pr bhai literally you are the best historian in india right now.
Please keep doing what you are doing 🙂.
I have said this, and I’ll say it again, this is the only podcast worth listening to!
Amazing podcast
whats the name of that rajasthan migration book?
What is the name of Gita Podcast on Spotify
He is defaming rajputs 🤡 and his afgani ancestors claim ancestory from rajputs wtf 🤣
Time stamp to dede
1:06:30 happened with me when i found him via vaad
Okay right of the bat. I fking miss the outre theme song. Vinamre bhai please bring that back.
Hare krishna
East West North South, Sir Abhijit Chawda is the best historian. He was present in all historic events, and saw with his own eyes.
He is a cheap nautankibaaz
Zoroaster hindu tha😱
Nepal me caste system nhi Varna Jati follow krte hai😭 caste to British ne bnaya
Sab log hindu the 🤡 Europe me invade and massacre/rape krne wale indians the😘
He should've stuck to being an astrophysicist lmao
aur aur ye kaun bolega
" raja ram mohan roy 'UTILITARIAN' Christian tha..ab mere se iska matlab na poochhna"
While debunking Aryan dravidian theories, I really wanted to know his stance on the difference of language families, But he refused to even talk about that, and just said all these language families are Western propaganda 🤡🤡🤡, He doesn't even know that to divide language families, there are some proper criterias, Really hard to believe he is an scientist
@@gampa_10_31 I agree. My comment was encased in sarcasm, as he suddenly became a history torchbearer among the yuppies.
Finally real historian on podcast.
Zabardast
Poora comment section itna gusse mein kyun hai yahaan?
Bhai ne Mahabharata/Ramayana ke baare mein ek shabd nhi bola, atleast bura to nhi bola.
Abhijit chavda ke chode aaye hai yha, unko vhi sunna hai jo vo chahte hai.
JVS is just brilliant!
yvs?
@@sagnik3556 now edited*
Truly well read guy. Not like abhijit chavda rayta wing conspiracy theorist.
I appreciate both of u.
Being a rtd.teacher,I could learn better perspective of understanding history.
As some one histriogr had said "History is an enquiry of past."
We can never say "......this is real history".
I appreciate u for trying to go out from any kind of narrow mindedness & prejudices.
If any scholars from any walks of life try to understand anything as a human being,such society will be good to live in.
The average dostcast fan’s urge to call this podcast The vinamre kasana experience 😭..
30:20 Master and Commander
Dear host, please don't talk like your personal conversation, it is for the audience. And 2nd as you are visible on podcast, just want to tell you, get some brand as sponsor and have a shave.
Rest all is best.
mahabharat itself advises that the book jaya was the original text and everything else was added by later generations per their memory. thats why some things are repeated in mahabharat
59:00
Arthshastra to devnagari lipi me sanskrit bhasha me hai kya koi manuscript uplabdh hai arthshastra ka
Didn't liked logo what does it mean
Master and commander.. russell crowe movie
the angry reply on comment section reveals the level illiteracy in india.
तुमने ही तय कर दिया की बिरोध करने वालो का ज्ञान 😂😂? ये बतला रहा है तुम कितने ज्ञानी हो 👍
@@user-db7nr2zz5w ??? i don't understand Hindi.
Love from Siliguri 🕉️🚩
39:00
Aise rare gems kaise dhundh ke laate ho Vinamre ji! Knowledgeable conversation! No show sha. Simple and valid questions. I have often come to know about new influencers from your channel.
The Vedic Aryan culture,appears with the forced implementation of endogamy, Varna, jati system in 100AD first century AD.
The Vedas, Sanskrit, Manusmriti, Endogamy, Varna, Jati all appear in the first century AD and not 1500bc because the male biased Steppe ancestry had merged with the AASI to create the ANI population prevalent until 100AD.
How does one know that certain paragraphs are added later on and was not part of the core text?
Because the things that are in the text may not be suited for that time period. Example has been given in this discussion that there is the mention of Greeks and huns. Indians would have known about Greeks only after 500 BCE, same thing with Huns, they would have only have known about Huns after 500 CE.
Isn't there a possibility that we might be knowing about Greeks and Huns at the time when the original text was written?
Similarly, the mentioned about a paragraph from Mahabharat where Bhishma is explaining to Yudhishthir, they mention that it describes reality of Mauryan Empire so it must have been added at that time... What if this dialogue in Mahabharat is present from the beginning and if at all it describes reality of Mauryan Empire, the Mauryans must have taken inspiration from this text and set up their kingdom inspired by this dialogue.
Please correct if I am thinking in wrong direction
@@jashseta7927Do you think these books were available so freely in market that , ministers of maurya empire read it and then thought of doing exactly like that.
Or is it easier for a person to make fictional character discuss out the details of management, governance while he is living under empire and observing it.
War drums i think nagada
Ye Jo host he Vinamara Gujjar kasana sale iska ek hi motive he Rajputon ko apna papa banana, Lekin Jay ne gayab jawab diya bolti band ho gyi Saale ki,🤣🤣😆
Time stamp ?
Means malechh were outside these 4 categories means today's scheduled castes and tribe people
Piyush bansal doing podcast !!
He said nothing wrong about ramayana and mahabharata
he should do podcast in Hindi now
Nagade in Kesari movie
Finally 😭😭😭😭🙏i can trust this guy
19:30
Chanakya/ kautilya is mythical character
By this logic every ancient characters becomes mythical as no concrete contemporary evidences are found of their existence. Even so called Ashokan pillars don't contain the name Ashoka instead priyadarshini & Devanampriyam are mentioned .
Didn't know that Piyush Bnasal is also a historian! 😶😂
Jokes apart i heard him on Vaad earlier and i really found him insightful!
Mekro yaar project dena tha tu pehle nikal deta yeh wala ep
Is doesnt matter if its a myth or reality . What it says matter most .
Underrated comment ✨
Yeah .......but they can't be stated as historical events....!
dharti pe aa gaya baawa
@@nameless7060 they are , he didn't even discuss dwarka
As per this logic , even Buddha didn't exist because not a single evidence is there which is of 5th or 4th centurybce , oldest stupa dates back to only 3rd or 2nd century bce.
41:47 The opposite of Swachha (Clean) is Mlechha (Dirty). It has nothing to do with the Us Vs Them thinking you are imposing.
Dharma says this:
Source: Maha Upanishad 6.71-75
Sanskrit transcript:
अयं निजः परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
उदारचरितानां तु वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम्॥
Sanskrit Transliteration:
ayaṃ nijaḥ paro veti gaṇanā laghucetasām।
udāracaritānāṃ tu vasudhaiva kuṭumbakam॥
Hindi translation:
यह मेरा है, वह पराया है, ऐसे छोटें विचार के व्यक्ति करते हैं।
उच्च चरित्र वाले लोग समस्त संसार को ही परिवार मानते हैं॥
English translation:
❝ This is mine, that is his, say the small-minded,
Mleccha originally meant "foreign " in Vedic texts and later on became dirty .
@@abhijithcheneri7827 Give me the verse.
@@abhijithcheneri7827 the vedic texts were not directives of conquest, you colonized pathetic. they were aids to Enlightenment and repositories of tradition. You are projecting abrahamist intolerance onto these texts.
Kavi Bhushan poem on Chtrapathi Shivaji Maharaj@@NativeVsColonial
are apne title kya diya hai . mahabharat - myth or real?
uske upar to kuch baat hi nahi kiya
he could have asked much more better questions
THIS VIDEO GOOD, INFORMATIVE.
ACTUALLY TO SAY RAMAYAN, MAHABHARAT IS A TV SERIAL 😂.
ANCIENT INDIAN HISTORY IS ALL ABOUT BUDDHISM, LORD BUDDHA AND FAMOUS BUDDHIST EMPERORS OF HARYANKA, SISHUNAG DYNASTY. EMPEROR ASHOK, EMPEROR MENANDER, EMPEROR KANISHK, EMPEROR HARSHAVARDHAN. REST EVERYTHING BOGUS, FICTITIOUS.
We can expect this shit talk from Buddhists . Don't forget shunga empire btw 😂💯
Nav boddh joker😂😂
Why don't you says leftist history
Why the people are so filled with ignorance and hatred?
Rajputs are the same ancient and original kshtriyas.
Original??original to surrender and convert
Ye kon bhok raha hai
Mathlab kuch vi
@@sandeepkumarsahoo8338??
Yewan ho Bhenchod😂😂😂
Dna study and internet is different thing but digging and exavation it so low and slow government doesn't provide budget to Asi archeologist don't get paid and large part of history is still hidden under ground.
Yes…the Greeks assimilated in the Indian culture.
but then how is then the original author credited?.. if ved vyasa wrote mahabharat , how can someone add something to it? and i am sure ved vyasa wasnt alive to keep writing 10th or 11th editions of the mahabharat..... was it crowd sourced? was ved vyasa like a group of authors whose pen name was ved vyasa.. was it like a position.... that the successors could edit the religious text?
for example : i cant add 3 chapters to game of thrones ... and call it layered novel/text , its not my text to edit...
Plus i dont think Indian ancient history can be carbon dated to the exact age .....especially the satya yug , treta and dwapar because the indian knowledge system followed oral tradition.... transference was oral in nature by way of recitation, so even if our historical texts are carbon dated.... it would only give us a recent date because only later on it was brought to print.... so if you apply western standards to our history it wont fit , because its not one size fits all
Ramayan and Mahabharat are history 💯many proofs their no one denied.. Know real history of #BHARAT (not believed in foreign corrupt historian)
अनपढ़ गैंग 😂
@@milindpanho may be your parents not managed to teach you well.
something on Dr Ruchika Sharma?
Jai bhim namo buddhay jai manavta jai gujjar samrat kaniska ki
Kanishka toh videshi tha aur khud ko arya bolta tha toh ye jai bhim ke sath use kyu jod diya😂😂
Ye jai bhim wale bhi joker hote hai😂
The things they describe like elevation etc cant exist a few thousand years ago. We do not even get any archaeology to that as we are getting 8000 years sites for now.
What about Gita.
Mahabharat was originally called jaya samhita ( 10 k shalokas) later become mahabhart ( 100k shalokas) so 900% of it was added later.
During the period of bhoj raja it had 25k shalokas
Correct I totally agree with you but 99% people still says all the 100k sholkas are authentic and they forget that there are many many versions of itihasa.
Deos was the ancient Greece author (before 2000 bce) who in his work mentioned about 1 lakh verses epic. Read Ramesh Chandru - mahabharat myth or history
No.. They were not added later,
There is a popular theory about three of the Mahābhārata. jaya being the original as narrated by ved vyas 8,800 shlokas, folloed by Bhārata, 24,000 shlokas and the one known as Mahābhārata, narrated by ugrashravā consisting o 100,000 shlokas. Hoever, till date there have been no separate manuscript of Bhārata Or jaya found to support the above theory.
Then again in the sixty-second chapter of the Ādi Parva, before reciting to narrate the story to Janamjayeya, vaishampayna explaining to the Importance of the Mahābhārata, says, ‘These 100,000 shlokas have been comosed by ved vyas..
@meteor541 the sixty-second chapter o the Ādi Parva, before starting to narrate the story to janamejaya, vaishampāyana, while exlaining to him the importance of the Mahābhārata, says, ‘These 100,000 shlokas have been composed by ved vyas , the son of Satyavati. This great story o the birth and lives o the rogeny of Bharata is called the Mahābhārata.’ In the same chapter Ādi Parva 62, vaishampāyana tells janamejaya
‘This itihāsa by the should be heard by all who desire or victory.’ It seems to suggest that jaya is another name or this history o Bhāratas-the Mahābhārata. The above the context-setting shlokas added by Ugrashravā and Vaishampāyana are in addition to the 100,000 shlokas of Vyāsa. It is very unlikely that additions, modifications and deletions have happened to the shlokas over years. But the theory of the evolution of Jaya into Bhārata intoMahābhārata seems unlikely based on what the text tells us.
No such evidence has been found so cope
Do you guys want me to sleep on on the pathway?
JNU ka bampanthi keliye to duniya mein koi Hindu hi nahin hai
Hindu word Persian use karte the ghulamo k liye
@@chandrabhushan8597 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@chandrabhushan8597 vai hindu sabd gulamoke liye nahi balki Sindhu ke kinare basne walo ke lie use hota tha because Farsi mein s ka uchharan h hota hai aur oxygen nam abiskar se pahle Kia log CO2 lete the apna dimag ka ilaj kara hindu dharm ka actual nam haai sanatan dharma
Sharmaji ka ladka Yewan hai😂😂😂
त्रयी के अंतर्गत किनका समावेश है?
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Logo ki chaa mod diye Bhai 😭
Next do Harry Potter is myth or reality
Harry Potter is reality
@@dp_1512 no but it actually is
@@officialabhishek6885 😅 I've written it in sarcasm
@@dp_1512 😄i know, but it is a real "fictional" story.
@@navminhas412 try it.
Podcast 😅😅
Any jokes need a right context
Written texts majority Sara jla diya invaders na .
It would not be possible. You are just saying that just to preserve your belief.
@@RnR1001 manu things are still there brother.
Contradictory use of terminology . Descriptive means which describes the prevelant scenerio and prescriptive means what should be the ideal scenario
Apni shanka hai ek baar me boldo kitni jagah answer dunga tumhara 😂
No surprise he is from jnu ...
Logo is bad
bring AIM again.
Still finding some Mahabharat discussion in this podcast😑
They did.....
JNU
Bhai aap vahi ho Kya happedent ke Aad wale?
Isn’t the governance mechanism of mauryan empire covered in megasthenes book indica
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Nagada is known as dundhubhi