संवाद # 194: From Alexander Vs Porus to 1857, India's military history explained by Shiv Kunal Verma
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Shiv Kunal Verma is a journalist, a filmmaker, and a writer. He worked briefly with India Today, the Associated Press, and Sanctuary Films before he teamed up with his associate Dipti Bhalla and formed KaleidoIndia, under whose banner some classic films like Salt of the Earth and Standard Bearers were shot and produced.
In 1999, he filmed the Kargil War and, in the last decade and a half, has authored some exceptional books that include the Northeast Trilogy, 1962: The War That Wasn’t, and 1965: A Western Sunrise. He is now working on the seminal Value Education Program for schools that aims at bringing India to Indians especially at the school and college levels. His latest book 'Yodha: Illustrated Military History of India Volume 1' is a step in this direction.
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0:00 Porus Vs Alexander battle
2:51 How Porus Vs Alexander changed India
4:26 Horses Vs War Elephants
9:28 Chanakya-Chandragupt's BIG achievement
12:10 Alexander helped establish Mauryan empire?
15:07 What Guptas learnt from Kushans?
18:24 Great Navy creates great empire like Cholas
23:00 How European ships colonized India
27:41 Why India is always defensive - due to geography?
30:31 India's diversity a problem in becoming a great power?
33:44 Vision of Lord Curzon for India
36:33 Indians & their eternal problem of division
40:36 Forgotten Madras Famine of 1876
42:28 British terror tactics
45:03 How British invented martial race theory
50:13 We must have vision of 'Fortress India'
53:13 Why Indians lost the 1857 uprising
56:08 Terror tactics of Islamic Sultanate & Mughals
59:20 The greatness of Lachit Borphukan
1:01:45 God is on the side of the best artillery
1:03:44 Mughals wouldn't have succeeded without Delhi Sultanate
1:05:05 Why India kept losing - Prithvi Raj Chauhan to Panipat
1:08:41 Top 5 military generals of India
1:10:51 Let's all be Yodhas for Fortress India
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Top 5 generals of madhayakalin Bharat - Bappa Rawal,,,,chamund Ray Chauhan,,,Durga Das Rathore,,,peshwa Bajirao,,,Lachit Borfukan...
Lalitaditya bhi unhone bhi arbo ko roka tha bappa rawal ke sath milkr
Rana sanga, Maharana Pratap, Chhatrapati shivaji Maharaj, Bajirao Peshwa, Chhatrasal, Guru Govind Singh, Maharaja Ranjit Singh el tal. They had changed course of history.
Hari Singh Nalwa,
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Top 5 generals of india
1. Chandragupta maurya
2. Maharaja Ranjit singh
3. Rajaraja chola
4. Chatrapati shivaji maharaj
5. Peshwa bajirao ballal.
kanishka the great karkotas of kashmir and samudragupta stand way ahead of ranjit singh.
@@viky116 which invasive force did they defeat
@@viky116ak tarf afagan akk taraf angrej tumey kush pata hai
@@max2008abhiinka kaaam sirf sikho ko kam dikhna hai sidhi ugli Sherey Punjab par ki
Recently I made a video on battle of Bharatpur. Fantastic example of Jaat - Maratha Unity❤
You said that Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj never had any spectacular victory againts Aurangzeb.
Compare the military and economic strength of both. It was battle of wits between both. The fact that Aurgzeb had to leave Agra/Delhi and live in Maharashtra for 27 years and die in peanory and Marathas could establish a powerful empire was a comple defeate of Mughals and Aurangzeb.
Jhapru read battle of saraighat 3 lakh Mughals vs 1 lakh ahoms..but chatrapati was the first person who introduced first make in india policy in self rule politics except assam and south thats it
shivaji was over rated
Can you stop over glorifying everything... Try to find a silverling in everything is a no brainer
@@mayankdewli1010 mughal ke harem me paida hua kida he tu
@@akhilghag5898in our Himalayan states , we never had mughal rule like you guys. So we don't read or care about mughals or Shivaji or balaji or some raja chola
Best podcast channel ever
Shiv Kunal verma is one of the most valuable archive of war history
I would love to have an autograph from him
Is he ever emperor ever
After all this, It really fascinates me how Sardar patel Managed to Unite all 500 Plus States. Its crazy, What conditions did he put to this Kings.
With the help of Mountbatten..
Most Maharajas were patriots
@atishbhattacharya3473 only help was Jodhpur
@@73HE kashmiri maharaja was hesitating to join India
@@pks2552Kashmir Maharaja was a patriot as well. He had himself promoted Indian independence and subsequent merger with India during the Round table conference in England.
He had differences with Nehru and Indian handling of the issue was poor.
You have missed one of the great millitary general "BAPPA RAWAL"
Ofcourse he did. Shhh ... this is for propaganda, not to educate you.
सबसे महत्वपूर्ण वार्ता।
यहाँ अपने विचार लिखने वाले स्वयम् अपने द्वारा पढ़ी हुई इतिहास की पुस्तकों की संख्या का विचार अवश्य करें।
Real Maratha Mughal war started after demise of Shivaji Maharaj. His 2 sons , daughter in law and other Maratha Sardars fought relentlessly for 27 years. War ended with the death of Aurangzeb who died as a defeated man.
Jayvardhan singh ...... Ancient History continue....next disscus
Recording an episode with Jay soon!
@@Vaad Thanks Sir,Beed from Maharashtra
@@Vaad- - Why Hindus can't even point out the obvious fact that Christians aren't a minority in India. They have 3 fully functioning states of their own which are Meghalaya, Mizoram and Nagaland. Along with that they have good numbers in Manipur, Goa, Punjab and Kerela.
A "minority" can't be so powerful that it can have 3 states of their own along with significant numbers in other states.
Bengali, Gujarati, Punjabi, Sindhi, Telugu, Tamil and Malayali are all being converted.
Descendants of Subhash Chandra Bose left Hindu culture and they converted. So, Hindus were unable to save the descendants of their own Freedom Leaders. The same goes with Sikhs too but, Sikhs would somehow manage but not Hindus because Hindus are feminine. They glorify celebrities and entertainers more than their cultural heroes or saints.
Another aspect that could have been covered- Nandas were shudras, Guptas were vaishyas. So why did our books teach us that 5000 years all lower castes have been oppressed.
Sikhs sided with British in 1857 to teach purbias a lesson ,for what they did during Anglo Sikh wars by fighting against sikhs
Absolutely
Yes
And they become slaves of Gora mentally
Obviously purbis sided with british first and then they made bahadur shah their leader of 1857 revolt, no punjabi was in favour of a mughal leave alone sikhs even punjabi muslims and Hindus were against mughals...
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All this is nonsense. You have been fed propaganda that Sikhs sided with British in 1857 - it is not true. Even if some rural Sikhs did side, it is irrelevant. Sects like Kuka/Namdhari were pretty clear about what is going on in the country.
The wife of Ranjeet Singh, Jind Kunwar was imprisoned in Allahabad at that time and she had written a letter to Jammu darbar to support 1857.
I never saw any historian mentioning Estern Gaga Dynasty.
That’s very pathetic not to duscuss many such kingdoms
Even our Gods & Goddesses carry weapons, be it Shri Ram or Mata Durga. We Hindus need to revive our Martial culture.
Glad to watch Shiv Kunal ji again
Another great interview by Vaad, keep bringing more of such content! Jai Hind ! 🇮🇳
nice podcast. What an intelligent man... In one podcast he has revealed all weakness of Indians.This guy deserve a place in our politics.
These are stories and assumptions. It is not from documented record.
@@pavitraranjanswain4010 it's history..that is what he has mentioned...it is in our DNA
@@rajeevp : He mentioned verbally. History is not written based on verbal narrative.
Even Modi once told that the mother of the horse (Chetak) rode by Ranapratap was from Gujrat. Do you consider this statement as history.
So people should note that history is not written based on oral stories.
You don't need to be an Einstein to understand how weak we Indians were and are. Thats why we were colonized for so long. Everyone came and defeated us@@pavitraranjanswain4010
Yede, propaganda hein. Bappa Raval, MadhavRao Peshwa, every area has produced a gem. But no mention of it. This is how they ruled you from so far for 150 years.
Finally once again kunal verma sir is back. Thanks bhaiya 🎉. Great insights about war history and i think he would be indulged in Project Udbhav for such great work in field of war history of indian army.
Bappa Rawal should have been mentioned
A marvellous episode; the discussion is very logical and rational. It should be seen for all Indians. I feel that Mr Verma should write a small but well illustrated book for school children for teaching real and not tainted history of India.
Shiv kunal is my favourite I have watched all his vlogs read most of his books ... wished he upload more of his vedioa on his you tube channel
Jay Shree Ram *comment id 552*
Real hindu accepted this rules are *5*
Ye comment sirf hinduo ke liye he baki log ignore kare.
Will you follow 10 passive rules?
*Rule 1*
Shantidoot dharm dekh ke logo ko marate he
Tum dharm dekh ke sabji etc kharidi karoge?
*Rule 2*
Kam se kam khud ke family ki raksha kar sako itana mentally physically prepare hona chalu karoge?
Hearing a war history legend Kunal sir.
Excellent presentation by decent anchor n panelist I salute
Jadunath sarkar has also written a book on military history
He is excellent.
I bought SKV's book just because of these podcasts by Vaad
Good interesting information!
You forget Lalitaditya muktapida and general zorawar singh kalhuriya
Gajab
Great discussion! Thanks 👍🏻
शानदार ❤
इस्लामिक आर्गेनाइजेशन से मुकाबला करना भारे मुश्किल है, पुरी दुनिया की डेमोग्राफी बदल दी है, भारत,युके, (ब्रिटेन) फ्रांस,
Waah jisne haraaya woh haraami the , hum to bhole bhale bache the Jo haar gye
For this knowledgeable podcast 👌🏼👍🏼❤️🙏🏻
यह 'Yoddha' book.. क्या हिंदी मै available है?????????????
I just went through this yesterday thinking that soon I'll buy it for ugc net
The author is including the name of a fictional character Chanakya as one of the great generals ! He is escaping Chandergupt Maurya, Ashoka, the Great, Kanishka, Samudar Gupta, Harshvardhan, King Porus etc . Regards.
Aap intelligent ho aapko sunna bahot acha lgta h
Sir in order to reach to young audience the best channel would be a Netflix series
Say what you want about the British or their clever, motivated misuse of things like "Martial Races" (which I don't find to be completely untrue) - they did us a massive favor by forcibly uniting a bunch of excellent, valiant fighting groups who spent centuries fighting like cats and dogs amongst themselves. Then they added formal organization and discipline, modern military tactics, a scholarly culture, and cutting edge military technology.
And today there probably isn't any Army out there that's truly, convincingly better than them.
British conquered india. Then these warrior clans came under one flag, no reason to fight against one another.
They were not united as per say, situation became such that they do not have to fight against one another.
It depends on training and determination of the army not the caste they born
The so called martial races were defeated by fogieners who themselves doesn't have one
The British ,the Muslims
This is utter bs when the islamic invaders came to this lane some traitors joined them and it's actually a traitor within who asked for help of chughals against rana sanga. That's how they entered this land which they couldn't surpass for 400 years. Marathas not only destroyed chughals but also prevented brits but internal chaos of marathas caused the downfall of their empire and brits entered here they got help from local traitors
@@smoky3302 marathas destroyed chughals even prevented brits from entering western territories. Also won the first anglo maratha battle but their internal chaos failed them
@@shubham5144 brits didn't conquer India they just eliminated the rebels and rest work was done by their puppet rulers. those puppet rulers are to be blamed also ignorance among common people was a big reason
I am fan of both
good show
It is true that colonial expansion was somewhat limited in its scale from the time of Vasco da Gama's arrival till the Battle of Plassey and picked up pace considerably thereafter. By 1818, which was just 60 years after Plassey, much of the subcontinent had been captured by the British, with the sole exception of the Punjab which held out longer due to Ranjit Singh. The core reason why India was colonised in the second half of the 18th century with relative ease was the spread of the Age of Enlightenment in Europe, particularly in British society which brought in critical thinking, scientific mindset and gathering empirical knowledge about the natural world. Till the biginning of teh 18th century Europe was also feudal and divided in class strata, where religious and sectarian divide was rampant. But the Age of Enlightenment brought about great changes in society, which started ti become more egalitarian and less religious, putting more importance in education and material wealth. This is why the British were keen to gather data and study their colonies in a rational scientific manner, setting up the various surveys which still exists, like the anthropological survey, the trigonometric survey, the botanical survey, the zoological survey, the geological survey, archaeological survey, etc. This knowledge created a huge gap between the Europeans and rest of Asia which remained feudal and disinterested in building knowledge capital, instead hiring Europeans to modernize their societies. This lack of interest to cultivate enlightenment values continues to exist in India and South Asian countries, the reason why they are the least developed parts of Asia (except the war torn countries like Syria, Afghanistan and Yemen).
Being a BA and MA in History (2001-2006) from DU, I am hearing these things for the very first time.
DU ke kaunse college mai the aap? Is conversation mai kuch aisa nahi tha jo mujhe nahi padhaya gaya tha.
Nothing surprising
These are all assumptions and based on stories. Histories are written based on diaries documented and court chronicles, famous individual. So in Hinstory books they refer above sources.
@@aashish9141 that might be giving away too much personal info. What was it that you think was taught in DU that I might think wasn’t? I am a 60% plus BA and MA which was actually a record for my BA college, and I had MA from a college (you have to register for a seat for a college but classes happen in PG Arts) where I was actually a student from Ramjas but I was the first one to come out on top of Ramjas UG in PG.
Plus, I did make Ramjas lecturer run away in 2003 when he was delivering a lecture on Ayodhya.
Anyway, pls bring in some facts.
@@pavitraranjanswain4010 what?
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ u both gies🎉
Hi gentleman I want to add something in this, we are yadvas and my great grandfather was a mahawat, my grandfather told me that mahawat use to shit with an hammar and cheni (short sharp tool) they use to break the backbone of the elephant with that tool if elephant use to get mad in the middle of the war.
Brilliant Military Strategists:-
1- Chanakya
2- Chinngis Han
3- Alexander
4- Scipio Africanus
5- Hannibal
6- Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj
7- Ceaser
8- Samudragupta
9- Wellington
10- Bappa Rawal
11- Salahuddin
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हार कर भी झुट बोलने वाले को बाजीगर कहते हे.
कितना भी झूट बोल लो.लिखलो. पर वास्तविकता सत्य हाल बता दे देती है.
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I think Baji Rao and Hemu should also mention as a greatest journal
Bharat has to learn from past and transform to be a strong nation Now
Dats why non Hindus are not allowed inside Jagannath Mandir in Puri
Even Hindus of foreign origins also not allowed. When Prabhu pad came to Puri with his Amercan followers, they were also not allowed. That is why Pabhupad started ISKCON Rsth yatra through out the world yo challenge Puri.
Why you want to poke your nose in every other s house?
Orissa should be ashamed of this. That's why Hinduism doesn't grow
To both 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
इसका हिंदी अनुवाद कब तक आएगा ? इस बारे में कोई जानकारी ?
Hindi me h kya sr ye Book 📚
There is difference between being well informed and being a historian. Now a days it seems like fashion to address oneself - 'historian'. It's a specialized discipline with decades of training and research behind it. These fashionable historians sound so apologetic and expert in making convenient excuses to get "feel good" feeling.
Maharana sanga name kyu nahi hai best army general ki list me
facts
Chankya ne kya likha he paras or Alexander k yudh k bare me
But there is no mention of Alexander vs Purushottam war in our scriptures ....
It was just like a border skirmish not so important to be mentioned by our ancients ....
So how can it have a major impact on warfare in Bharat
Right. Takshila University was near by but no historical record of that battle.
Sochna hai , to yeh socho ki hum hamesha past ki taraf kyu bhagte hain .
Sir there was a femine in Odisha in 1866 and 65 lakhs death happened.
पुस्तक बढिया होगी पढनी चाहिए
Its all about firepower,who can burn the maximum.
*Mahabharat also recorded history, 2nd largest recorded history (Itihasa), first was Ramayana*
Punjabis were wooed by the British. they had found it easy to work under the British rather than align under a Mughal Emperor, inherent hatred against Mughals was on all time high in Sikhs cause it was just a generation ago when Punjab was plundered by them and stories of the last guru sahib and his family were like fresh wounds
Modern Punjabis have no connection with those of the Mughal era.
@@parjanyashukla176 yes, because as much as I know Bahadur Shahs both sons were killed by the British and the line ended. Sikhism preaches to not hate people on the basis of who they worship as does every other religion, so if you think that modern day Punjabi would hate Muslims or any other religion than that’s being ignorant. There are exceptions however
@@mantajsinghdhillon8840
My post is in reference to the 1857 related propaganda in Punjab.
In 1857, the plan of the fighters was to retain Punjab for SIKHS, whereas the rest of the country was to have the Mughal takht in Delhi as a symbolic figurehead of Muslims and the Maratha Peshwa in Kanpur as a symbolic figurehead for Hindus, while regional rulers were to retain internal autonomy.
In 1857, Rani Jind Kunwar was in Allahabad and she supported the cause. Kuka Sikhs laid down their lives in Punjab against foreign interference of Christianity through Europeans by willingly being hanged.
However, most modern Sikhs are just a bunch of fools and have no idea how the gora firangi is manipulating his mind.
@@parjanyashukla176they are right. Who'd want to work under corrupt upites and gujratis. I think the British rule was indeed more civilised
Bappa rawal or sohaildev kyu nahi liye naam
Top 10 me ayenge
छत्रपती शिवाजी महाराज मी मुघलो का बार-बार पराभव किया यह कहना की उन्होने बडे स्तर पर खराब होने किया या संयुक्तिक नही है केवल मिर्झाराजे जयसिंग थे जिन्होने छत्रपती शिवाजी महाराज को संधी के लिए बाध्य किया वर्णांना दिलेरखान ना शाहिस्तेखान नाकात तलब खान ना रामसिंग कोई छत्रपती शिवाजी महाराज को हरा नही पाया
Boats ships use to ply from Lahore to Karachi
but about genral sardar Hari Singh Nalwa
Nice one sir
Samudragupta was also a great conqueror
English devised currency language military innovation with british support
चाणक्य नाम का कोई व्यक्ति नहीं था, ये कुछ लोगों के दिमाग की उपज है, आज के समय अपनी ओछी श्रेष्ठता सिद्ध करने के लिए..
Buddha naam ka bhi koi vyakti nhi tha ye kuch logo ki mann ki upaj hai 😂😂
Budhh kalpnic hai....
aur Bhimte jhaant barabar hai......
Buddha Kaalpnik hai....
Bhimte jhaant barabar hai...
Buddh Kaalpnic hai..
Bhimte.jhaant barabar hai.....
Ambedkar ke buddh dharm apnane ke baad ye ambedkarites ne buddh dharm aur itihas ka itna bantadhar kia hai ki kya bataye. Achi baat ye hai ki na hi itihaskaro me na boudh bhikshuo me inhe seriously lia jata hai. Ye bas aam janta me hi apne mithak failate paaye jaate hai.
I left listening at chanakya studied Alexander war. Guy has got the chronology wrong.
Nepal….hold my beer😂😂😂😂….
आपने बाजीराव पेशवा का जिक्र नहि किया मेरे हिसाब से वह एक बेहतरीन कवेलरी का सेनापती था..
हिंदी बूट लिकर हैं ये लोग ... इतिहास मे हमेशा पिटते रहे हैं अब सभी नॉन हिंदी राजाओ को defame करणे मे लगे रहते हैं ..
क्या चाणक्य का नाम ग्रीक में लिखा हुआ है
40:35 😂
Sir ke pass knowledge bahut hai I respect that and seekhne ko mila...but thode islamic era ke pacifist lage aise jaise islamic invassions mein kuch hua hi nahi thaa
Karachi no, another port deval
Cavalry was there, maha bharat mantions cavalry. What is he speaking?
प्रदीप सिंह को बुलाओ
हां आपका अखबार वाले प्रदीप सिंह जी को बुलानचहिए वाद पर ।
It’s sad to see that this discussion turned into Brit bashing and they did not try to understand why they enjoyed such a magnificent victory, and why we lost ? Bashing Britain will bring no benefit, analyze their behavior and see what we can glean out of them. Or else you will never learn a lesson …
Bring some SF GUY.
Sir ji, Bol do app Angrej ke army Acha thha,Bhai ko acha lagega, hum harre Apne Logo ke Gaddare se , hamare apno ne hi Andar se Darwaza khola hai, baki ka kam yaha jo Aklaviya ka Angutha lekar hum kar dete thhe,, SAT SHREE AKAL 🙏🏽 JAI BHARAT 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
The Gajapati of odisha were weakened by constant attack by Cholas
the author has no chain of thought, he is randomly picking up things although the evolution of miliatary startegy could have been explained in a sequence
आपकी प्रस्तुति अच्छी है पर
कुछ लोगों के नाम थोडा आदर से लेना अपेक्षित हैं
I am yet to read any of SKV’s books. Loved his earlier podcasts on Vaad. However, in today’s conversation, SKV sir came across as too casual in his remarks. I don’t expect to hear too many ‘yeah, whatever’ kind of remarks from a historian. Too many broad brushstrokes without nuanced, and I have only watched 30 minutes conversation so far.
39:48
जल्यावाला बाग में गोरखा सैनिक हम पर गोली चला रहा था, १८५७ मे सिख मार रहे थे हमे
India failed against invaders
Due to
1. Lack of scientific temper
2. Lack of introspection
3. Caste system
4. Lack of unity
5. Ego among all the small kings
6. Easy life
7. Religious division
8. Over confident attitude
Better analysis than what they did… they lost the reason to emotion
@@pratapsinhrajput5879 when Japan was discovered by Portuguese within 5 yrs of importing guns from Portuguese, Japan started making same quality guns at far cheaper price. When the ottoman captured damaged British ships after storm they copied chemical composition of cannons. They found that ottoman cannons r heavy due to bronze but English navy used steel and other material for guns that r much lighter that makes their navy faster and had better ranged attack. But we Indians did not understand our enemies, their tactics and their weapons for past 1000 yrs of struggle.
Caste System never existed.
Don't repeat Briitish invented hoax.
Lack of scientific temper?
When India was attacked by islamic invaders we were doing all right in science and maths .
The decrea in patronage to such schools starts after islamic invasions .
By the time of British rule lack of technology and science was definitely an issue but that is to because under islamic rule people were more busy surviving and paying shit loads of taxes.
The last major discovery from maths in maths was from Kerala , and it was calculs initials. This was just before full blown islamic rule.
Unless you're trying to tell me it was lack of scientific temper in war tactics , which could be possible, prithvi raj chauhan let go of mohmad ghorie , so did a queen when ghorie tried to attack again . But ghorie learnt our tactics we didn't bother changing it or being preamptive .
@@bababistril we had great scientific temper that we were not able to make any good gun cannon or any other technological advancements that can revolutionise our productivity or warfare.
Pure sciences like Math can't win wars in applied sciences we were far behind European and islamic invaders.
True sir , humlog apne hii logono ko maarne ke liye apne hii logon se marwaya....shame for us
please translate in punjabi also
Was Ashoka Hindu or jain
Just hate the discourse of war which happens in Bharat.
War is economics. Example:
1. you can maintain 200 elephants at the same cost of 1000 horses(making this number up). Only big empires with Maharajas can keep this up. Not Rajas.
2. Indian cavalry were warriors. The shongnu, kushan, scythian, huns, turkic and mongols were hunters. Fighting style different. Every nomads need to train on horses for survival as life is cheap there but in India and China, only rich can afford horses and they sure won’t want their kids to die.
3. Thing that made elephants obsolete was partly fire arms as the sound is elephants natural enemy. But the cost is the actual killer. As you can train 1000 soldiers with firearm at the cost of 10 elephants and even 10 soldiers with firearms can kill elephants.
MAHA BHARAT KAAL MEH MAHA BHARAT YUDDH , MEH ELEPHANT , HORSE KA USE NAHI HUWA ?