Long Iron VS Utility/Driving Iron
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2019
- • Join our new community on Patreon! / tourexperiencegolf
• Official TXG Merchandise: txg.ca/store
txg.ca - We get lots of comments asking if using a set long iron bent strong is likely to yield the same results as a utility or driving iron. In this test we compare the Srixon Z765 3 iron to the Callaway X Forged UT both at 19.5º loft and see the differences in ball flight and forgiveness!
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Matt Blois
/ theofficialtxg 
Спорт
![Cordae - Saturday Mornings (feat. Lil Wayne) [Official Music Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/z2GYJua09F0/mqdefault.jpg)
I never wanted to be fit for clubs more now that I've been watching you guys.. Well done.
Tony, I felt the same. I booked a fitting with Ian and loved it. Ian spent a significant amount of time with me. I've also started taking lessons with Larry and enjoying that as well. You won't be disappointed if you can get there.
How you guys have only 26k subs is criminal, best golf channel on youtube
133k now
I was waiting for this video for soooo long. You single-handedly answered all my questions. Great stuff!
I have a similar configuration in a 2018 Callaway UT w/graphite design 95x and it has drastically improved my 230-240 area. Thanks for validating this great setup 👍🏽
Great video! Love how you two make videos interesting. It’s always an interesting intellectual conversation about options. Not just name brand hit far... Really good quality work.
Thanks for covering a topic I’ve been curious about forever. Great great vid here guys!
Love the science and everything that goes with it. I could look at the data all day! Keep up the amazing work!
Comparisons between driving iron / rescue / 5 wood would be interesting 👍👌🏼
Great video guys! I play 2 utility irons in the bag. An Xforged UT 24° bent to 22° and a P790 UDI bent from 17° to 18° it has done wonders for the upper end of the bag!
Do you use lighter shafts in them than your reg irons?
Another gem. I actually replaced my Srixon 765 4 iron with a u65 23* just to give me some better gapping between my 5 iron and hybrid. It's so much easier to launch.
I've just done the exact same thing (u85) with a 23d to cover that gap too - keen to know how its working for you? Mine should arrive in a couple weeks, quite excited.
Awesome. Totally undecided about this end of my bag and whether to put hybrids in the bag or a driving iron. Being fit next week and will be keen on trying the zu85 and the Callaway x
12:10 I agree! I want my clubs to demand I put a decent swing on them to a certain extent. After saying that I do use a driving iron as sort of a 2.5 iron to replace my 3 iron just because it fills the range I need to cover for some longer par 3 off the tee. I use a steel shaft in my driving iron that is about 15 grams lighter than my 3 iron shaft to give me a similar feel but a bit more speed. I have a good history with my 3 iron even thou it was not perfect but what club is perfect. I still miss my 3 iron from time to time. Great discussion!
Great to see the subscriber count roll over to 24K. Awesome content this week guys 👍
Great vid! I’ve always wondered if that would be an option for me. I don’t have the fastest swing speed but I also don’t love my hybrids
Matt makes it look so easy!!! Love the topic and video!
Really interesting! Especially someone like Matty who hits the ball so well to not like a 3 iron! I have my 4 in my 716 AP1s bent to 20.5 degrees and I love it but it does have an XP90 shaft in it. I have a p790 UDI and it rockets when I catch it but I'm not as consistent with it yet.
Great video
As a senior, don't hit the ball miles and struggled with hybrids. Tried the Srixon and G400 crossover clubs both at 23 degrees. Could not get on with the Srixon as did not get great distance even when I hit the sweet spot (but that might have been the stiff shaft which was the only option there). However, really impressed with the Ping - in fact bought one - on the course, good strike not far short of an average-strike driver distance. Very happy bunny
The vid I didn’t know I needed. Thank you!
Great video. This is a little off-topic, but I have really benefited from my new Cobra Utility Iron, especially in windy conditions, because I seem to be able to keep it lower, out of the wind, easier than my hybrids.
You’re guys videos are on point. Glad I clicked on your channel and subscribed.
You guys are amazing and when i have the money to get a whole new set i am gonna come see you
love you guys you are very scientific and fact based love your videos keep them coming.
Great video and shows the clear benefit and advantage if a UDI! I’m looking to get one in my bag so would be keen to see you review what you’d consider as being the best ones in a head to head.
Great informative. I went the hybrid route; because it offered me more flexibility one those shots off the fairway.
I just picked this club up today used. I cant wait to give it a go! Great video
Great video guys. Awesome information.
Everytime I'm looking for review's on anything club related this guys do the best job, I feel like they give you the most straight up information about any product based on sincere performance and not on bias information to sell you a product.
been using a taylormade P790 3i paired with a Mitsubishi Tensei Pro White hybrid 90TX --- absolute game changer off the tee. thanks for posting this comparison vid fellas - great content as always!
Could you do a vid on driving iron VS hybrid from various lies (rough, wet lie) to see how they compare throughout a round of playing and not just as an option from the tee?
Thank you for doing this video. It answers a good question. And the winner is ... driving iron all day long. More consistent, easier to hit with better predictability.
Thanks guys this video was exactly what I was looking for.
Outstanding work. I'd love to see a video on shaft selection for Utility Irons based on swing speed
You answered my question at 14:30 mark! I'm that slower guy who needs speed above 7i....I'll build a newer set with xforged UT in the 4-6 and 2018 xforged 7-pw......the most informative golf site on RUclips easily!
Continued success Ian and Matty(my fellow lefty)
👍
Love the edition of mine when using from the tee. Can hit it high or low and I need that where I play. It can get windy
I have the Taylor Made P790 UDI and love it.Fitted with KBS Tour Hybrid Proto shaft.Excellent off the tee and really good off the fairway. I use it for those second shots on a par five when there is not a lot of room and I'm not confident with three wood. This is much more controllable
It really is amazing how much these can help. I really think the term "driving iron" is a disservice to the category because they help long iron play from everywhere not just the tee. Just have to get the right shaft/loft combo.
LIR.....long iron replacements
I’ve found that the UT versions feel SUPER heavy - but I’ve only tried them with steel shafts. I can’t wait to give a graphite shaft a try with an MP-18 MMC Fli Hi
Appreciate the insight into what’s shafts work well
Another great video 👍🏽👍🏽 End 2017 I bought the Srixon ZU65 2 iron and this one is so easy to hit from the deck and off the tee. Because the Miazaki shaft gives a higher flight i also bought several months later the Taylormade 790 UDI 2 iron with hazardus shaft. Much lower and more penetrating flight. Also have a Wilson staff V4 tour utility 3 iron instead of the 3 iron from my Wilson tour V6 set of irons . Never thought playing an 2 iron from the deck and off the tee. For me those kind of irons are better than a hybrid, because for me hybrids tend to go too high and have the tendency to go left (right handed player). But as always everybody has to check themselves what workes best for their play. Keep those video’s coming 😃
So you use a lighter shaft than your regular irons?
@@canefan17 for my 4 iron (Titleist U500) and 2 iron ( Mizuno MP20 HMB) the shafts are graphite and in my irons steel. The graphite shafts are also indeed a little bit lighter.
I use an m2 4iron with a 40” ust recoil shaft. I recently saw that Rockies Fowler plays a similar club, a game improvement iron with a fairway wood shaft.
Great topic, though would be interested to cover more similar heads, such as the Taylormade P790 3 iron vs the UDI, or the Callaway X-Forged 3 Iron vs a similarly lofted X-Forged UT. Be interested what differences there are there, especially the P790, being viewed as a hotter "players" iron.
Great video guys. I'm curious how well the utility/driving irons play out of the rough. Thanks
Good video guys. Didn’t expect that big a jump in bs
I recently went for a driving iron, likes the p790 but was told I shouldn’t even consider a graphite shaft as I have very high ball flights with irons so basically got told that I shouldn’t consider a graphite shaft as it would only worsen it. This was from 2-3 different fitters. Think your channel has shown me more than anything that although being fitted is a good thing on the whole there is a big danger of being fitted badly. Especially when you don’t have a huge amount of options on places to go. I would say all of my clubs I have been fitted for have put me into a worse place fitting wise than my old clubs that I’d had from a teenager.
Great stuff. I will still to a hybrid just for the sound it makes.
Excellent guys. Thank you
Every time I think of a theory I'd like to see explored and search youtube sure enough you guys come up! Great stuff!
However, there are two things I'd like to see you do differently if you re-try this concept.
1. Identical Graphite shaft for each club
2. Instead of your set 3 iron (Forged head) what if you use a player forgiveness style head? I saw Rickie Fowler had a singe F9 iron head in his bag he uses for this instead of Cobra's Utility iron. Which if you go and customize on their website is about half the price of the utility even with a graphite shaft of your choice installed.
Just ordered a clearance Dunlop 4 driving iron. Comes with a true temper dynamic gold shaft and a golf pride multi compound grip for £11 so well worth it for giving it a try. The course I play at is just too narrow on most holes for a driver
I have the Zu85 3/20 degree, with a stiff ns pro 950gh. Fits my gap from 3 wood to 4 iron, and matches my 585 irons. When struck flush, you feel nothing 🙌🏼
I’ve used driving irons for years now. Used to play Callaway x utility prototype 3 and 4 iron replacements but switched to p790 in the 3 and 4 iron. These style irons are easier to launch and more forgiving from off centre hits.
When I was fitted for my irons, Srixon Z765s I had trouble with the #4 iron in the set, but the #4 Utility, Srixon U65, was chalk and cheese with a half inch longer graphite shaft...
Excellent video!
Questions
1. What is the desired gap between the 4 iron and UDI?
2. What is the desired gap between the UDI and 3 wood?
3. What if Matty had a comparable shaft in the 3 iron?
Nice job experimenting. Although I would love to see how they would compare if the 3 iron had the same shaft and same length as the driving iron. As mentioned the 3 iron had much heavier and shorter shaft, so the clubhead speed must have been lower and could be a big factor for the difference in ball speed.
Hi Ian and Matt. I use a Srixon Z u65 driving iron. Bought it with a x100 steelshaft in and couldn't hit it. Recently got it fitted with an 95g xstiff graphiteshaft and now it is unreal. Can't believe the difference! Keep up the good work guys. Love your channel. Ps when you coming to sunny Cape Town South Africa?
Hopefully one day, beautiful place!
I tried P790 UDI 2 iron with HZRDUS shaft, but just couldn't make it work, so bought P790 3 iron with KBS Tour shaft to match my set and love it.
Great test this is what I'm thinking 4 iron v 4 driving iron , helped my curiosity
Would be interesting to see a review of True Temper DG AMT. I like the idea of lighter shaft in the longer iron and heavier shaft in the wedges.
i saw a lot of value in this. i love my 4 iron its my go to club but i have a really hard time hitting a hybrid for whatever reason. I have been very curious about a driving iron. this helped.
Coincidentally I can't hit a hybrid or fairway metal either and rely a lot on my 4i. I've been told that coming down steep on the ball typically prevents players from hitting a hybrid (like in my case) so I guess check your AOA if it's steep too
p790 udi and gapr lo are for much better players. I tried both out in golfbox. Standard shafts in both. Could not get into either as sweet spot was too small for me. I have recently purchased a Callaway Rogue Pro 3 iron with project x 6.0 rifle steel shaft. This matches my set and feels as easy to hit as any other of my irons. 195m meters off the tee and also excellent off the fairways.
Driving iron soughted. I am now looking for a 17 Deg No. 2 Hybrid that will send it out 210 m . Happy days.. Great vid guys. Thanks ...My Driver swing speed 100 mph and hcap 6.
Another gem..!
Hey guys I came back to this video; like all your content, so much good information. Ian, how hard is it to swap out an iron shaft with a hybrid shaft in a driving iron?
Recently bought Tailor-made hybrid, cant believe how much easier it is to put in the air and go miles compared to my irons.
With the options today in comparison to mid-80s there is no longer an issue if you can play an 3-iron or not. Loftwise today is a difference as well. How many could play an 1-iron which maybe had the same loft as an 3-iron today?
Could play with 3-iron back High School days 30 something years back but enjoyed my 4-iron more.
Today ... hmmm ... a bit wee wind well then I remove my 4wood and 23 degree hybrid and take the 18 degree hybrid and 24 degree iron...
Great video. Not to mention cost due to "I can afford this ... over ... wow a 3-iron is included in the price".
Damn, 30g lighter shaft in utility iron? Wow, wasn’t expecting that.
After struggling to look at and get used to a TM M1 17 degree hybrid I've definitely gone the driving iron route. Granted, I'm someone that could strike a 3 iron fairly consistently as well if I had to. It's funny how I can play the "harder" club but the hybrid continues to elude me.
My longest iron is a 4 and the next club down is a 3 hybrid which I’ve never been crazy about. I feel more accurate with my irons and want to try a driving iron purely for the extra distance
Great video, just one question: If I want to use a hybrid shaft in my Driving Iron, do you prefer sanding the .370 Hybrid Shaft down to .355 or drilling the .355 hosel of my Iron to .370?
Excellent as always guys. I uses a utility iron my self love it.
Would love to see a GAPR LO comparison to Matt’s driving iron
Ian you nailed it. I had never considered using a utility until I moved to Texas. Keeping the ball under the wind and getting the roll out is a huge advantage. What loft is Matt playing the utility at?
19.5º
I use a ctaper lite in mine...feels like steel but not so heavy in the longer iron
Would be interested in seeing difference of a driving iron head vs. A more game improvement or sgi iron head shafted same way. Often the GI iron is much cheaper but has more help so would be curious if that is a cheaper option for people to get same help without going hybrid
wow that swing is special
What's a 3 Iron? It's been that long since I tried to hit one I forgot what they are!
I currently carry a p790 udi with a black hzrdus shaft at my home course. If I wanted to carry a hybrid for when I play different courses, should I get the same style of shaft in the hybrid as my udi
Off topic, but do you guys think the Callaway Rogue Draw driver would help me? I have a gc2 for personal use. I swing about 100-105 mph and get 148-153 ball speed. I hit up and get about 14* launch. My usual shape is a high push or push draw with everything from 3W down. However, Driver starts right and goes more right. I just can't seem to get the clubhead to catch up. Even middled shots go too far right because I have to feel a big flip to get the head to catch up then I hook it (different from all my other clubs). I want my normal swing and not feel the clubhead lag behind. Ideally, I'd like to continue to swing out to the right but get a little more draw spin measured by gc2. I don't really want to draw driver per se, I'd actually prefer a nice little push ball where I can aim down the lefthand side and the ball just goes down the middle. Do you think this driver could achieve that?
Could you pls review the Miuras mc 501?
Another worthwhile and very interesting test as they all are. As Matt plays the Srixon irons I would have thought he would have used the Srixon driving iron which apparently is very popular with the tour players. It would be very interesting to see the difference of the irons from 5 upwards. Is Matt still going to be fitted for the Srixon Z785 driver ?
Will definitely revisit the Z785 driver this year as we compare the all the 2019 drivers
Great video! Would love to see Matt (and Ian!) "play" Pebble Beach sometime. Maybe a more relaxed video, to break up all the intense testing?
Bryan Post yes please do this!!
@txg I’m scratch player playing 2-4 MP20 hmb (5-pw in mb) and am going back to a four wedge setup. Thoughts on dropping 3i vs dropping 2i?
Curious to see the gap between the driving iron and the 4 iron in the bag. Do you choke up on the driving iron to fill that gap?
Would be interesting to see what graphite in the 3 iron might do to change performance.. is that often considered in fittings?
wouldn't say often, but as these utility irons become more common the composition of sets is changing and fittings become more creative to get optimal results
Yeah, wondering how much of this is the hollow head vs the shaft. Probably a combo of both.
I've done it with a Nike VR Pro 3i, U65 2i (bent to 19*) and JPX 919 Hot Metal 4i (20*), and they come out to the same total distance with different flights and levels of forgiveness in order of lowest to highest. The Mizuno really surprised me as a good tweener option from my regular 4i to either my hybrid or 3w. Sometimes I just play it as a 3/4 to add a wedge. Good to see graphite as a better option over steel compared to the seniors' reputation of the past.
Looking into these utility irons, specifically the Callaway X forged UT 3/21°. Based on what you guys are saying... graphite shaft would be ideal over steel? Would graphite get better distance over steel?
Might have missed it, but why use the callaway udi vs Srixon s 65 to make the comps across brand consistent?
Still got 690mb 2i as backup which still looks amazing in bag however would only consider on windy links and when game is on song! Currently game 818h1 2 utility dialed down to 18o with t-mb 3i with Accra i100 at upper part of bag. Great combo in summer however as limited roll in uk at present thinking of swapping in 5wood for 3i & dialing up the 818h1 to 20o though concerned bunching up clubs with same yardages though different ball flights?
I have to m4 4 iron, would this be considered a driving iron? the loft is 19 degrees. I hit it about 240 to 250 so I absalutly love it
What would the p790 3 iron be considered or a rouge x 4 iron? Does loft and forgiveness make it DI or shaft length.
I play LZ 6.0 in my ap2's up to 4i. Bought garp low with stock kbs x85. Too light. Very inconsistent. Is there a wieght you would recommend or shaft in general? Good morning by the way from Dallas Texas. Couldn't sleep after the debockle in LA
I would like to see how a driving iron compares to a game improvement long iron.
See my previous comments on slatt85. SGI and DI have similar club tech DNA and test similar for me.
I am looking to get a utility iron to match with my set of callaway xr’s 5-sw but most utility 4 iron lofts seem to be the same as my 5 iron. What would you recommend to go for?
Would you recommend the Graphite Design Tour AD Driving Iron shaft? Or Graphite Design Tour AD DI Hybrid shaft with either a bored out hosel or (slightly) shaved down tip?
Is there really a difference between the shafts?
Should the swing weight of the driving iron be similar to the rest of your irons? Or can you give me some guidance in this regard?
Hi Matt and Ian. Recently got a new set of iron. Srixon ZU85 3&4 irons. 5&6 in the 585. 785 from 7 to PW. All fitted with modus 105. Already owned the 2 iron with the recoil shaft. The set is unbelievable but tend to push the 2 iron a bit right compared to the rest. Do you think it could be the shaft? Was told the recoil plays similar to the modus 105?
Gave up on hybrids because just keep hooking them. Have Titleist 816h2 set to fade but still. The U85s play straight for me. Also struggle with fairway woods and the 2 iron goes only slightly shorter than my 5 wood and much more accurate even with the right miss. Carry the 2 iron about 220 meters. Just wondering whether I should put a modus in there?
I saw a driving iron for the first time yesterday. It was 5-iron shaft length, which surprised me. It sounds like they're usually a lot longer. Is that right?
Would the accra tzx hybrid be a good combo for the Taylormade 790UDI
Question. I bought a taylormade p790 2 udi. It came with the 6.5 hazardous black, I couldn't find the middle of the club face ever. So I switched it out with kbs C taper 130X now It is a game changer. I swing the 2 iron 105 to 109mph but only carry it 250 off the turf. Does that seem like that iron shaft fits for me? Or am I leaving things on the table. Also do you find a strike pattern difference between graphite and steel?
How do the AMT shafts from Dynamic Gold rate in your opinion given the 3-iron shaft should be a lot lighter than Matt’s set? Even if he sticks with the driving iron, would his 4,5 and 6 irons play better?
Hello watch all your videos. Saw couple months prior to this video you did a review on the srixon u85 at 20 degree and your callaway driving iron at 19.5 degree. Matt’s ball speed with the u85 is almost same as the 785 3 iron and so the callaway has 10 more miles ball speed and almost 20 more yards carry.
Is the callaway that much faster with ball speed?
What about high lofted utility irons VS set irons (example:4,5,&6 iron)
I need a utility 7 iron, most companies make 2 thru 6 iron, they're missing out on sales.