Remember when Spider-man got trapped in a underwater lair and was pinned by a enormous support beam. But was able to lift himself out underneath it with his sheer will power and pushing himself to the absolute limits his body strength can go. Then writers tried to recon his strength but never succeeded because they couldn't make Spider-man look less powerful.
Because we all agreed to never mention it again under penalty of being deleted. If there is anything you like doing, I suggest you start doing it right now.
Then later, in a different run of the Spider Man comics, the female one of those twins, who I remind you, has a chronological age of ten or so, attempts to seduce Parker into having an affair with her. She fails thankfully, but the very fact that they thought up of that storyline in the first place is rather disturbing to me, and most other people as well I would certainly think.
One More Day was awful. There's no reason for it to have existed. Someone should make a deal with Mephisto to make One More Day never happen. ..... uh, make sure you word it better.
Quesada and the spineless hacks writing Spider-man at the time rather wanted to reset the status quo and write pale imitations of old comics than to do anything that would take the character in a new direction
Agreed, that comic set Spiderman's character back so many years its not even funny. He had his marriage with MJ, he was a family man, an adult! He nor the story needed aunt May around anymore, so they should've just killed her off in an impactful way and use that as a driving force and motivation for Peter's new path in life, instead, they decided to throw away decades of stories, his whole relationship with MJ, just so they can keep him as a man-child because he's more easily identifiable to the public that way, therefore making it easier for them to shit out new stories and guarrantee those sales.
This is why it is NOT the best idea to reveal your secret identity, mainly when you have people who are seeking to cause you pain or put you on their wall as a trophy lol
Ben Reilly for life! Oh wait, he’s back and going strong in his own title again for two years? We’re good here. But seriously, that hoodie and outside web shooters was pretty awesome.
1) We don't talk about Trouble. ... ever. 2) The spy parents thing is actually something Stan Lee set up in the 60s. The robot stuff is all 90s nonsense though. 3) The Clone Saga was a .... mixed bag but it isn't nearly as bad as people on the Internet make it out to be. 4) OMD is WORSE than people on the Internet make it out to be though. Spider-Man still hasn't recovered from that... unless you count the guy from Renew Your Vows as the "real" Spider-Man. ... which is pretty much how we treated the retired Spider-Man from Spider-Girl the LAST time some hack caused an unnecessary reboot. 5) The thing about the Other is that they'd actually told the exact same story a few years before it. In his Avengers Disassembled tie-in (Changes), Peter is turned into a monster and then dies giving birth to a version of himself with slightly different powers (he actually got the organic webs in Changes). Between Changes and the Other, Spider-Man is his own grandpa.
Amazing Spider-Man #366 isn't where it's revealed that Peter's parents are super spies. It was revealed all the way back in Amazing Spider-Man Annual #5 from 1968. It revealed not only were they super spies, but they were triple agents, working within the Red Skull's organization to take it down, but were discovered and killed for it. The issue you're talking about "revealed" that Peter's parents had actually survived, and had finally come back, but they turned out to be robots made by the Chameleon.
You have great on-camera charisma, dude. So great that I was able to look past your hipster fashion choices, pity you for them, and still deeply appreciate the Spider-Man info and the way it was delivered.
Number 3 is made only worse when you read a part of Superior Spider-Man where Peter is reliving all of Otto's memories and has to experience his and Mama May's early marital night
Good video, but I would prefer if you explained when these comics were retconned, for example showing comics that specifically point out that these events never happened would've been better
The one that pisses me off is the age every OG Fan Knows he was 17 when he got bit now because Bendis f’d up in Civil War and confused 616 Peter with Ultimate Comics Peter thus making people believe he was 15 despite him literally being a College student fresh off of Highschool Graduation for most of his Original Run
8:22 To be fair Tony Stark promised him that Parker’s family would be safe. Parker probably assumed that meant like an army of Iron Men sitting outside his home. But I guess not… 😅
I actually DO know what happens in the clone saga. It doesn't make a lick of sense and goes off the rails REALLY fast and can't ever truly return from it while still trying to move forward. It is knowledge that I seem to be unable to purge from my brain, no matter how often I try. I will eventually kill me, I'm certain.
Can we all agree that civil war was a complete disaster started by that one guy who wanted to film a teen super hero reality show but for got when dealing with villians things can go wrong and did the government really not consider villians hunting down heros who reveled their identities? cause unless they're names are tony thor or bruce they're gonna endure some heart break
I will admit the one cool power he got from the 'Other' story line was his ability to sort of communicate with spiders. I always thought as a kid he should be able to do that, I mean falcon can communicate with redwing, so why not.
Aunt May dies several times. Though, usually it is just a paid actress that Norman Osbourne hired (one time it was a skrull). The clone saga was ALSO a prank arranged by Norman Osbourne.
OK I'll give that The Other was a little odd with the spider totem change but the overall story was amazing in my opinion. Exploring the line of where the man ends and the spider begins was amazing and deep.
...ya know, when the whole Aunt May Death thing came up, I was about to say "Oh god, it's gonna be time travel". But summoning the devil...I'll admit, I didn't see that coming.
I always thought Raimi's Spider-Man organic spinnerets and fingertip wall-crawling hooks were taken from the "Spider-Man 2099" comics, and I honestly didn't have a problem with that. I thought it was a cool way to bring in something from the 2099 series, as well. =)
Wait... what? The era where Peter and MJ were married were some of the best and most narratively interesting comics to ever come out of Spider-Man. Mcfarlane and Larson's run made them married and kinky and that was fun to read.
I have a feeling Gwen Stacy's death has been officially retconned due to the new series they're releasing where Gwen is now Spider Gwen, but unlike the original origin story, they implemented a new origin where it wasn't Peter who died and she was blamed for, but instead her childhood friend Kevin who died and she's being blamed for. So I feel like they're making her official canon in the main marvelverse.
so yous guys have done a bunch of pokemon evolution cartoons, ever thought about how a pokemon feels when it gets traded, like when your level 100 mon that has been with you from the beginning is traded for, a shiny magikarp, or when its traded for an eevee or ditto or legendary pokemon. the sadness or despair they feel when their family of so long just gives them away...
It was interesting, but when Kaine(in his Other form) killed the guy who we saw kill the near-godlike Captain Universe version of Spider-Man, it was a bit weird.
alearnedman he only killed captain universe Spider-Man through a loophole (he absorbs totem life energy and the unipower was life energy that was attached with a spider totem) and used up that energy destroying leoparden (the giant robot), who was always able to one-shot his enemies.
So let's do my comments for this The Other, I actually like many aspects of this and I get what they are going for, I think someone at Marvel looked at the original notes for Spiderman before release coupled witht he many other magical animal characters in Marvel and thought it'd be a decent idea, certain things were actually fresh and fun in my opinion but others were... not as greatit was interesting to see how Peter dealt with more supernatural enemies and concepts when he was strictly scientific in a world where the supernatural is well real. I think the bit where MOST of it is wrapped up is also done pretty well for what is essentially a "is the spider magic or scientific? Why not both?" but in a way I could accept. When it swapped over to Kaine it was actually really good, since while Kaine didn't have traditional spider sense in the past he did get visions which basically were his spider sense on steroids but not getting the constant minor effect the others had. Yeahhhhh the Shield Agent Parents thing is... still around and is meh at most. Yeah the Aunt May is his literal momis dumb. One More Day is even more dumb. Reilly as Spiderman is a good story, in fact I love the Clones BUT as stated the Saga that created rhem is FREAKING INSANE. However this wouldn't be so bad in the BEN IS THE REAL PETER... if during his ENTIRE RUN HE WAS BASICALLY BEING CALLED INTO QUESTION. I heard it was because the new writer who came on for Spiderman didn't know Ben was taking the mantle and wanted to write for Peter so... Peter came back as Spiderman and revealed to not be the Clone after all. Oh and on top of that though, Peter and MJ were having HUGE character progression because Aunt May had died, they were going to have a kid and Ben had a good synergy with them both, everything was going towards development... and then all of that is just... besides Ben being Spiderman was retconned. No baby and Aunt May comes back. WHEN HAVE WE SEEN THAT BEFORE. Oh yeah OMD. I actually really enjoy Reilly's run, some stories are really good.
If peters parents died in the plane crash would that possibly mean that hey were rich and were in the play with Iron fist’s parents (Tv series not comic series)
I always thought Aunt May and Uncle Ben were his great aunt and uncle. That would explain why they are so old... I have been corrected by this video and am horrified.
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Remember when Spider-man got trapped in a underwater lair and was pinned by a enormous support beam. But was able to lift himself out underneath it with his sheer will power and pushing himself to the absolute limits his body strength can go. Then writers tried to recon his strength but never succeeded because they couldn't make Spider-man look less powerful.
You mean the story that has been universally referred to as Spider-Man's Greatest Moment?
What was the comic called i want to see this for my self
Which time?
HailedSpace25 the comic is called if this be my destiny
Support beam? I remember it being tons kf machinery laid across Peter's back.
I’m just waiting for the alternate universe where a regular spider gets bitten by a Radioactive active Peter Parker.
The Man-Spider. A spider with the proportional strength of a man
@@darkmega97 so he would be a weaker spider
+Monsterkiller IV yes
Apparently Spider-ham was a spider before he was bitten by a radioactive pig...
@@David_Apollonius really?
It still pisses me off that they killed Pete and MJ's daughter. Having a child would not have ruined the story.
If I recall renew your vows was one of the most popular spin offs for infinity war.
I like how today we have several heroes with kids like Jessica Jones, Spiderwoman, Batman, and Superman
I wonder if someday we’ll get a spider-woman (may parker jr) retcon. It’ll prove that the baby wasn’t a problem in the story.
I overall hated eveything they have done to Peter's and MJ's relationship as a whole. OMD is an absolute disgrace and should have never happened.
There's a spinoff series called "Spider Girl" where she lives and picks up the webslinging mantle.
No mention of the retcon that Gwen Stacy was sleeping with Norman Osborn and had twins by him?
Because we all agreed to never mention it again under penalty of being deleted.
If there is anything you like doing, I suggest you start doing it right now.
Ian MacMurchy That didn't get retconned. One of them is still around.
@@christianschoff2490 the story was a retcon itself
I meant the introduction of those characters was a retcon.
Then later, in a different run of the Spider Man comics, the female one of those twins, who I remind you, has a chronological age of ten or so, attempts to seduce Parker into having an affair with her. She fails thankfully, but the very fact that they thought up of that storyline in the first place is rather disturbing to me, and most other people as well I would certainly think.
"He does what any normal human does in that situation."
Me, hopefully: Call an ambulance?
"Summons the devil."
One More Day was awful. There's no reason for it to have existed. Someone should make a deal with Mephisto to make One More Day never happen.
..... uh, make sure you word it better.
Quesada and the spineless hacks writing Spider-man at the time rather wanted to reset the status quo and write pale imitations of old comics than to do anything that would take the character in a new direction
One more day has so many plot hole it not funny
Agreed, that comic set Spiderman's character back so many years its not even funny. He had his marriage with MJ, he was a family man, an adult! He nor the story needed aunt May around anymore, so they should've just killed her off in an impactful way and use that as a driving force and motivation for Peter's new path in life, instead, they decided to throw away decades of stories, his whole relationship with MJ, just so they can keep him as a man-child because he's more easily identifiable to the public that way, therefore making it easier for them to shit out new stories and guarrantee those sales.
Also teasing said parents with the child that would never exist, asking why they didn't love her... Yeah that arc was fucking awful.
This is why it is NOT the best idea to reveal your secret identity, mainly when you have people who are seeking to cause you pain or put you on their wall as a trophy lol
Ben Reilly for life! Oh wait, he’s back and going strong in his own title again for two years?
We’re good here.
But seriously, that hoodie and outside web shooters was pretty awesome.
2:42 somewhere, wolverine just cried.
Dorkly you said Aunt Ben. Has he been a she all this time? Mandela Effect?
No, Recton buddy!
Got Spider-Man on the brain because of the new game. Everyone else playing too?
I only have an Xbox sadly
I am on my Spiderman PS4
Dorkly I have PS1
Harry Potter PS1
Dude...you said Aunt Ben
>New York
>Raised by Grandparents
>Parents died in Crash
>Parents are Mystery
>Arnold from 'Hey Arnold' is Spider Man.
Aunt may being Peter's real mom is both interesting and fucking crazy
The best thing in Spider man was in Spider man: Reign where he killed Mary Jane with his radioactive spider-spunk.
Cirac1 How about... no
1) We don't talk about Trouble. ... ever.
2) The spy parents thing is actually something Stan Lee set up in the 60s. The robot stuff is all 90s nonsense though.
3) The Clone Saga was a .... mixed bag but it isn't nearly as bad as people on the Internet make it out to be.
4) OMD is WORSE than people on the Internet make it out to be though. Spider-Man still hasn't recovered from that... unless you count the guy from Renew Your Vows as the "real" Spider-Man. ... which is pretty much how we treated the retired Spider-Man from Spider-Girl the LAST time some hack caused an unnecessary reboot.
5) The thing about the Other is that they'd actually told the exact same story a few years before it. In his Avengers Disassembled tie-in (Changes), Peter is turned into a monster and then dies giving birth to a version of himself with slightly different powers (he actually got the organic webs in Changes). Between Changes and the Other, Spider-Man is his own grandpa.
Yup, well worth to point out.
Liked.
Like it or not people,the scarlet spider costume has been in nearly every spider-man game
Amazing Spider-Man #366 isn't where it's revealed that Peter's parents are super spies. It was revealed all the way back in Amazing Spider-Man Annual #5 from 1968. It revealed not only were they super spies, but they were triple agents, working within the Red Skull's organization to take it down, but were discovered and killed for it.
The issue you're talking about "revealed" that Peter's parents had actually survived, and had finally come back, but they turned out to be robots made by the Chameleon.
May looking like Mary Jane is only half of the problem in 'Trouble'. Have you noticed that Pete's supposed real mother looks like Gwen Stacey?
7:25 *Kakyoin has entered the chat*
I still find it weird how they keep using the Spider-Totem stuff, but also completely ignore the Spider God stuff now.
Pinstoice to be fair the totem concept had also came up in black panther, so it was already out there. No comic really mentioned the spider god again.
Peters parents as spy’s story line did end up making it to the 90s spider man cartoon
Dorkly I don't feel so good
I hate you
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Dorkly I don't want to go I really don't Mr dorkly
@@theconductoresplin8092 --- I have never experienced such pain as this. Why do you hurt me like this
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Because peater Griffen isn't your wifu
@@theconductoresplin8092 Thank you for teaching the secrets to true happiness
I still remember the Spider that was bitten by a Radioactive Pig!
Porker the spectacular Ham?
As the weather gets cooler hobo Tony makes his glorious return.
So that's why the Aunt May we have now is so hot lol!
You have great on-camera charisma, dude. So great that I was able to look past your hipster fashion choices, pity you for them, and still deeply appreciate the Spider-Man info and the way it was delivered.
I love spider-man, I even got to work on the comic from 2006 to 2010. His imperfections make him the hero he is.
Now I need a 4+ hour video on the clone saga. Get on it Dorkly.
drake005 linkara atop the fourth wall has you covered on that.
Number 3 is made only worse when you read a part of Superior Spider-Man where Peter is reliving all of Otto's memories and has to experience his and Mama May's early marital night
Good video, but I would prefer if you explained when these comics were retconned, for example showing comics that specifically point out that these events never happened would've been better
You seem to misunderstand the point of this video. The things on this list are the retcons of past Spider-Man lore.
Blue Tophat Animations Oh
I can't lie, I love the return of your beard, Tony. It's been a guest I've quite missed.
Sorry, I know I am weird.
So are comics tbh.
What real existence infinitely read Kant itself
I don't mind the other powers on Kaine aka Scarlett Spider didn't like it on Peter Parker.
I still maintained the clone saga could have worked if the marketing team didn’t take over and screwed everything up
Tony looks like he's going to be playing a high school freshman on the newest Disney Channel kids show.
Man this guy was in such a hurry to make this video he left in the middle of his haircut! That's dedication...
The one that pisses me off is the age every OG Fan Knows he was 17 when he got bit now because Bendis f’d up in Civil War and confused 616 Peter with Ultimate Comics Peter thus making people believe he was 15 despite him literally being a College student fresh off of Highschool Graduation for most of his Original Run
8:22 To be fair Tony Stark promised him that Parker’s family would be safe. Parker probably assumed that meant like an army of Iron Men sitting outside his home. But I guess not… 😅
These are all ridiculously good.
Technically he didn't summon the devil as much as the devil showed up and was like "Have I got a deal for you"!
Today is tomorrow.
True because im u from the future JAMES
Tomorrow is today*
Welcome all to Dorkly's spider-man theory :D
Hobo guy is back.
God I missed you man.
You broke the first Spider-Man fan rule: We don't talk about One More Day... NEVER.
Oprah voice: YOU GET A RETCON AND YOU GET A RETCON! EVERYBODY GETS A RETCON!
This was a great birthday present
I actually DO know what happens in the clone saga. It doesn't make a lick of sense and goes off the rails REALLY fast and can't ever truly return from it while still trying to move forward. It is knowledge that I seem to be unable to purge from my brain, no matter how often I try. I will eventually kill me, I'm certain.
Can we all agree that civil war was a complete disaster started by that one guy who wanted to film a teen super hero reality show but for got when dealing with villians things can go wrong and did the government really not consider villians hunting down heros who reveled their identities? cause unless they're names are tony thor or bruce they're gonna endure some heart break
I still have all 700 issues of Amazing Spider-Man to read through. I will have fun...
I will admit the one cool power he got from the 'Other' story line was his ability to sort of communicate with spiders. I always thought as a kid he should be able to do that, I mean falcon can communicate with redwing, so why not.
Captain america: hail hydra
Spiderman: magic *snorts*
Aunt May dies several times. Though, usually it is just a paid actress that Norman Osbourne hired (one time it was a skrull). The clone saga was ALSO a prank arranged by Norman Osbourne.
Ironically enough, Ben Reilly was one of the best things that came out of the Clone saga.
"I'm a Liar"
your move Dorkly
I just knew that Trouble and One More Day were gonna be mentioned here
While I wasn't a fan of the magic stuff, I still liked the stingers and other new powers he got.
Dont forget that time where he was killed and resurrected by deadpool twice in a row.
with spidermans spidey senses, it makes more sense when its supernatural
Does cats' sense of danger also come from supernatural god?
Dr strange said that the radiation is not what gave him the powers and that he was destined to get the powers from that spider anyway
OK I'll give that The Other was a little odd with the spider totem change but the overall story was amazing in my opinion. Exploring the line of where the man ends and the spider begins was amazing and deep.
Darkly will you say hello to me? I love your channel! ♡♡♡
...ya know, when the whole Aunt May Death thing came up, I was about to say "Oh god, it's gonna be time travel".
But summoning the devil...I'll admit, I didn't see that coming.
Fuggin' One More Day. Get your life together, Marvel. Fix your mistakes. Retcon the retcon of the retcon.
Clones and robot duplicates. Two of the biggest crutches in all of superhero comics. All that's missing are imposters and alternate reality versions.
I always thought Raimi's Spider-Man organic spinnerets and fingertip wall-crawling hooks were taken from the "Spider-Man 2099" comics, and I honestly didn't have a problem with that. I thought it was a cool way to bring in something from the 2099 series, as well. =)
Thanks tony now I can say you told me to lie for the better
Wait... what? The era where Peter and MJ were married were some of the best and most narratively interesting comics to ever come out of Spider-Man. Mcfarlane and Larson's run made them married and kinky and that was fun to read.
so goblin has messed with his head with his parents and the love of his life and he hasnt crippled the bastard yet?
killed his high school bully turned friend, brainwashed his best friend,
5:50 Ya got trouble, my friend, right here, / I say, trouble right here in Marvel Comics.
How did you miss Gwen stacy having Green Goblin's Children
It was in another Spider-Man episode!
That wasn't dark or morbid enough for a Dorkly comic video.
*After watching TROUBLE* Me: *CONFUSED SCREAMING*
I have a feeling Gwen Stacy's death has been officially retconned due to the new series they're releasing where Gwen is now Spider Gwen, but unlike the original origin story, they implemented a new origin where it wasn't Peter who died and she was blamed for, but instead her childhood friend Kevin who died and she's being blamed for. So I feel like they're making her official canon in the main marvelverse.
Do you know there is a story where aunt May becomes the herald of Galactus? And it is awesome!
Bruh you guys are amazing
Being smashed into a mountain by Stan Lee dressed as a pilot is how I wanna' go!
Did he just wake up from a nap or something?
5:41 I wish to God that you were kidding. But, of course, you weren't.
1:49 Spider-Man, Son of Shelob.
The first one is clearly a what if....
Science > Myth
so yous guys have done a bunch of pokemon evolution cartoons, ever thought about how a pokemon feels when it gets traded, like when your level 100 mon that has been with you from the beginning is traded for, a shiny magikarp, or when its traded for an eevee or ditto or legendary pokemon. the sadness or despair they feel when their family of so long just gives them away...
He has a point. I habe a very vague understanding of the clone saga, and I could not begin to explain it
Honestly, the first one is awesome!
I like the other and the spider god idea. I also like that he got other powers.
It was interesting, but when Kaine(in his Other form) killed the guy who we saw kill the near-godlike Captain Universe version of Spider-Man, it was a bit weird.
alearnedman he only killed captain universe Spider-Man through a loophole (he absorbs totem life energy and the unipower was life energy that was attached with a spider totem) and used up that energy destroying leoparden (the giant robot), who was always able to one-shot his enemies.
I know a cool dorkly video of Pokémon. This time, instead of evolving disappointment, Shiny Pokèmon
Making another game? got another beard growing
Three words: One More Day.
So let's do my comments for this
The Other, I actually like many aspects of this and I get what they are going for, I think someone at Marvel looked at the original notes for Spiderman before release coupled witht he many other magical animal characters in Marvel and thought it'd be a decent idea, certain things were actually fresh and fun in my opinion but others were... not as greatit was interesting to see how Peter dealt with more supernatural enemies and concepts when he was strictly scientific in a world where the supernatural is well real.
I think the bit where MOST of it is wrapped up is also done pretty well for what is essentially a "is the spider magic or scientific? Why not both?" but in a way I could accept.
When it swapped over to Kaine it was actually really good, since while Kaine didn't have traditional spider sense in the past he did get visions which basically were his spider sense on steroids but not getting the constant minor effect the others had.
Yeahhhhh the Shield Agent Parents thing is... still around and is meh at most.
Yeah the Aunt May is his literal momis dumb.
One More Day is even more dumb.
Reilly as Spiderman is a good story, in fact I love the Clones BUT as stated the Saga that created rhem is FREAKING INSANE.
However this wouldn't be so bad in the BEN IS THE REAL PETER... if during his ENTIRE RUN HE WAS BASICALLY BEING CALLED INTO QUESTION.
I heard it was because the new writer who came on for Spiderman didn't know Ben was taking the mantle and wanted to write for Peter so... Peter came back as Spiderman and revealed to not be the Clone after all. Oh and on top of that though, Peter and MJ were having HUGE character progression because Aunt May had died, they were going to have a kid and Ben had a good synergy with them both, everything was going towards development... and then all of that is just... besides Ben being Spiderman was retconned. No baby and Aunt May comes back.
WHEN HAVE WE SEEN THAT BEFORE. Oh yeah OMD.
I actually really enjoy Reilly's run, some stories are really good.
all i can say is that the clone saga is 110% confusing as the why the Thanos is just worried about over population!
I figured One More Day would be on here.
If peters parents died in the plane crash would that possibly mean that hey were rich and were in the play with Iron fist’s parents (Tv series not comic series)
Tony, why are you in space?
Dat beard's coming in nice.
Ben Reilly is killed eventually by the green Goblin.
Web of Shadows is still my favourite game so far.
I can't believe it. I just realized that Peters mother and girlfriend have the same name.
Brian Achim Aunt May , Mary Jane
@@sirdaichi.5688 I mean Mary Parker, Richards wife.
Oh. ok
I always thought Aunt May and Uncle Ben were his great aunt and uncle. That would explain why they are so old... I have been corrected by this video and am horrified.
I need to meet this guy in real life
Give us the Stan Lee senile pilot cameo!