Atreus Asks Kratos What It Was Like To Be A Spartan & Why Didn't Train Him Like One - GOW: Ragnarök
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- God of War: Ragnarök - Atreus | Loki asks Kratos what it was like to be a Spartan and why he didn't get Spartan training from him, which Kratos explains and he appreciates for it.
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Game released: November 9th, 2022
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"i did not think you should have had to"
thats some good character development for you...
This shows my favorite aspect of Kratos' character. On the surface he seems like such a stoic, violent and unforgiving man but he has the awareness to realize what he was subjected to as a child was abusive and ultimately wrong, and instead of subjugating his son to the trauma he endured like many others would have he consciously stopped the cycle. To use a play on a buzzword, these games showed "healthy masculinity"
He spared his son the hell he and countless other Spartan boys(including his brother) went through
Character growth. That's all the recent God of War has been about. Back when the first trailers came out i didn't believe that Kratos was a reedemable character, but the writers proved me wrong and watching him become a father and a more responsible god overall was an absolute joy to watch
That's the biggest thing about the new God of War games. It shows Kratos as he makes a point to buck his own nature and change how he approaches life on a base level. There's a reason why he would always say "boy" and not Atreus. He was trying to stay in his old shell of being a Spartan in order to cope with everything he has gone through. It is through following the life challenges and opportunities foreseen(and carefully enabled by via subtle interactions years ahead of time) by Faye, and attempting to raise their son using her life philosophies that he overcomes his own nature. Out of all of the entities that exist in the GoW universe, Faye is the only one that both saw what Kratos could really become and made a point to show him the loving care needed to give him the push.
@@rdesignartes2520 Reminder, Kratos didn't "become a father" with Atreus. He already had a daughter who he raised through adolescence. The journey through the new games has him slowly get over his old family and accept being a father figure again, but Atreus isn't the first snot nosed brat that he's had running around the house....
@@ShaggyRogers1 should explained better my point when I said Kratos becomes a father, of course I do know about calliope and his family in Greece, but Kratos wasn't even a decent human being back in the original trilogy let alone a true father figure. For me being a father is not only giving birth to a child but raising it into a good human being (or God, on the case of Kratos and Loki) so that's why I don't consider Kratos much of a father before GOW 2018
Atreus: Why didn't you train me like a Spartan?
Kratos: Kid, I'm literally a victim of eugenics and constant abuse.
I mean there is pride in Kratos' upbringing
The kind of "I lived bitch" that you couldnt really say for much else
...though in case of Kratos, he's lived through death thrice by now, so he's beyond that at this point
*Your mother tried to shank me when I went to throw you off a cliff*
Something super important here: "I do not think you should have had to" shows that Kratos understands that 90% of what Spartans went through as children was unnecessary and cruel. Many back then would have been brainwashed by the abusive conditioning. Yet Kratos broke through that.
What's even more important is that kratos completely embraced the spartan training and ideals. He's not some traumatized adult who cries about his bad childhood. No, he enjoyed and excelled at it, so him being able to look back and reflect upon it and come to an opinion of the of it that is different from his own experience shows great retrospection skills.
He had a lot of time to reflect on his past and when Atreus was born sickly, he knew he could never leave him to die as for Spartan tradition. Knowing that he can't abandon him even if he was born with a defect, Kratos likely contemplated in retrospect how pointless the trials are because not only are they gods but the fact that it was unforgiving to prepare for war seems unnecessary for a guy who's trying to stay away from war.
Age has that effect on the shackles that bind our minds when were young.
Though some choose to perpetuate the suffering even after understanding its folly. Those are the truly lost and damned among us.
@@GuitarSlayer136Damn. Great quotes.
@GuitarSlayer136 "Chains only hold for so long... Eventually, Those they hold will break free, one way or another."
Not wrong. Spartan training was kinda overkill. Atreus was ready by the age of 12 just fine without it to be on his own.
To be fair he is part god. And if he’s that awesome on just training with Kratos, Spartan training would have made him even more godly.
@@KW-de9sc probably also would have drove him crazy.
yeah but spartan training isnt about being ready to be on your own. It's training to become basically super soldiers meant for war.
@@leptinainccm exactly and kratos never wanted his son to be bred for war. He originally wanted both of them to live mortal lives
@@KW-de9sc I don't know man, the cost of spartan training is losing your humanity and act like a machine throughout adulthood. The trainers will give you no quarter and put you in situations where death is highly present
Kratos: "In Sparta, we w..."
Freya: "When tf did I ask"
Kratos: "probably around the same time I must've asked to hear your sob story about your home"
Kratos: *R3+L3* .... and after that *Presses ⭕*
Freya: You do well to defy Fate at your own peril
Kratos: Well considering that the Fates of my homeland are shattered into a million pieces and one received a much needed lobotomy, I’d say I did pretty well 😁
Kratos will always be proud of his spartan heritage. But even he knew the road to becoming a spartan is just wrong.
My father describing how he used to walk 200km and cross entire himalyan range for studies
Dad of War
I don't think Atreus needed spartan training either. Him being half god half jotnar meant he was already strong as heck. Whatever Kratos did to train him worked better than Spartan training because he can hold his own in combat even at the age of 12 when he believed himself to be a mortal. Now that he's awakened his full potential as a god and a jotnar, who knows what he's capable of when he grows up.
Unless he was able to have kept all that godly strength he gained after killing Zeus when going to the Norse pantheon, Atreus might actually be quarter god, quarter mortal, and half giant.
Granted that’s very unlikely considering he’s still very powerful there. And if he’s not completely mortal then his strength must have remained, while his “powers” were left in Greece
Then again he was born a half God, so the magic bound to land rule might not apply to birth given powers
I’m overthinking this
@@Firemaster27 no kratos is a god his godly powers were present in the blade and he absorbed them back this is why the blade looks depowered
Honestly, Atreus wouldn't even survive. Spartans inspect newborns for weaknesses such as diseases/deformities. If a newborn had them, they abandoned them to die. Atreus was sickly at a young age, would have the same fate. Plus as Kratos said, the training was so brutal that Atreus wouldn't survive. He's lucky that he wouldn't suffer a fate that others had.
Wait, in Ragnarok he was able to heal himself and Kratos has the power of Wolverine-DeadPool.
How sickness can kill the person when they be brought back from death?
@@SeriousDragonify Atreus was only able to heal himself because he had honed his abilities as a god. He grew up believing himself to be mortal, which is why he was sick as a child in the first place.
Besides there's no evidence to suggest that Atreus is capable of resurrection. Kratos has cheated death multiple times, but the only god capable of resurrection in the series is Baldur. If he was trained as a Spartan, Atreus very well could have died as a child.
He would’ve maybe had the same fate as his Kratos’s daughter.
Kratos, in a comic, went for the Ambrosia to save Calliope from death.
@@MaxPayneInTheAss I like to to think that this event lead to Kratos, if nothing else, disliking the birth customs of Sparta, something that he would completely abandon by the time Atreus was born.
300 would make us think Spartans are badass and honorable cool guys. I love how Kratos bring us such sober point of view
If Atreus was trained as a Spartan, he would be like his father of young. Fierce, great at fighting, strong mind, but also ruthless, full of hatred and nearly merciless. Those are recipes for a miserable life, even for a god like Kratos
kratos : "randomly starts flexing about how he survived"
freya: umm.. okay???
The thing is, the death of the spartans where a self-fullfilling prophecy. They killed the children that were not strong enough and send the other children to the military because they feared that the other greeks would rebell against them and attack them. But they only feared the others because they enslaved so much of the others that they feared they would start a rebellion.
Yeah, tbh everything we know about Spartan culture is deeply depressing. They were convinced the slaves would eventually rise up and so every single spartan needed to be trained for that inevitable war to the exclusion of all else...and it never came. Eventually they just wasted away into obscurity, not even worth the effort to conquer. Meanwhile, the other city-states of the region managed to have things *other* than war *and* to inevitably become better at war than the spartans ever were.
Wait. Given what Sindri did, why couldn't Freya just set up the ideal circumstances to capture all four soul bits and then shank her son to fulfill the prophecy?
Plot
Addressed in the game I think. Said that she couldn’t do it. Whether let him rest, or him be a, well zombie. Also, that’s the whole reason he died. She couldn’t just take her sons life into her hands again. If he lives once more, he’ll track down his mom and kill her. By the way she couldn’t leave the realms at the time of his death, and he is a god, so we’re not sure where his soul went. In the light of Alfheim, he would’ve already been integrated before Freya could travel between realms. Also, she may or may not know soul magic.
@@bonitty585 Oh right I vaguely remember something where Mimir said it is not an enviable state or whatever, is that what you meant?
But then how come Brok couldn't tell something was off that whole time?
@@Sephlock I think Brok and Mimir are different. Mimir is undead while Brok is alive for all intents and purposes. Just blue. Not sure what the exact difference is but Brok didn't have all his soul so he couldn't pass into the afterlife. So he is just gone.
Also Im not sure what happens to Asgardians when they die. Mimir said that animals, elves, dwarves and giants go to the well of souls. He didn't mention Asgardians or humans (the later of which get Helheim or Valhalla). Mimir supposedly went to Helheim.... Maybe it just wasn't possible for Baulder to be brought back the same way as either of them.
I think soul manipulation is a giant thing
Freya: *devastated over her destroyed home
Kratos: This is the perfect time to boost my ego
and let's be honest, if kratos did wish to teach him in the spartan ways, faye would NOT approve of it, he would be going against her wife's wishes
Also with the trauma of losing his brother Deimos. The reason of his tattoo
Freya talking about the norns saying you risk peril. When in reality they say people do what’s in their nature and that’s what causes things to happen. Like saying a super violent angry person is probably going to lose control and hurt someone down the line but more of them directly knowing peoples nature due to I’m guna assume magic. So then telling freya her son will die a needles death was then understanding freyas fear of losing her son will cause it.
Kid you do NOT want that lmao
The irony of being a ‘Spartan’ was that it was the greatest honor a Greek could have, and yet at the same time they really didn’t wish it on others, for Spartan training was known for being a very dehumanizing experience.
Lets be real, Faye also would not have stood for Kratos training Atreus like a spartan. But that Aside, I think he also decided on its own that he loves his son too much to put him through something like that conaidering he just wanted a mortal peaceful life for him.
I think kratos was actually the champion of the giants. Faye marked kratos in a dream, the champion is seen blowing the horn with a spear in hand (literally kratos at the start of ragnarok).
*i don not think you should had to*
kratos wants atreus to become a fine warrior that knows how to survive , and lets recall kratos complement atreus how stronger and faster meaning all those kratos training is paid off
freya: my ex husband manipulated me into being turned against by both his and my people, and now i cant go back to my home.
kratos: *sparta was hell*
I would've cracked up if Atreus whined about him not being trained as a Spartan and Kratos stares at him like "you want me to beat you within an inch of death every day?"
I feel like Kratos still respected Sparta, but he realized how heavy the cost to make a spartan was, much of which was unnecessary. It’s very sad to, when You consider that soldiers in Ancient Greece were trained that if they were weak, their homes and families would suffer. That’s why even civilian men commonly did some form of exercise or strength building.
Much if what spartan boys went through however, was just plain abusive.
Atrus could not have passed the Spartan training.
how our parents went to school.
How would Atreus actually fare in spartan training though? Him being half god half giant n all that but still young and inexperienced.
Just in terms of physique? Yes.
Mentally however? Oh no, that would NOT have ended well. For anyone involved.
Atreus was sickly as a child he would have died within a few hours as least.
Even in GOW 2018 he fell ill, so he definitely would not have lived through it. And on the slim chance he did he would have been mentally fucked.