I had one of the later SP9A1 models. I really enjoyed shooting it. The trigger could take AR15 springs and was pretty decent (far better than the AP5 I have now). The ergonomics were also good. However, my magazines started cracking after about a year. People said to get the new curved magazines, so I bought those. Those cracked on the first time out. I would be leery of getting any of the SP9 models if they use Grand Power’s magazines.
Get the Rainer Arms Lower that takes the PSA Scorpion 35 rounds & other Scorpion standard 9 MM Magazines. That solves the issues with splitting magazines. Am speaking from experience as that is what i switched to on a SP9A1 blow back upper.
@@Murphy82nd I did not have any issues with the straight or curved Stribog factory mags. Just wanted to changed over to the Lower which took the Scorpion Mags, as they are so robust and easy to load, and are curved mags. Also had an after market AR Trigger, and anti-walk pins, installed into the New Lower and that trigger is a 3 to 3 1/2 lb trigger. Ordered some extra take down pins also. The Rainer Arms Lower is well made, and works. I still have the original Stribog Lower, could swap it out easily. There may, by now, be other companies offering other types of lowers for the various Stribog models, but am pleased with the Lower I have mentioned.
Does anyone remember the _LWRC SMG 45?_ When I saw this, I immediately thought about that SMG model chambered in .45 ACP. It had such great promise. Good thing I stuck to my principles and waited before acquiring one. Especially at the price they were asking. Unfortunately, that also meant that I (among many) missed my opportunity. I always wondered if LWRC fixed all the issues that the owners were reporting. Don't ask me what they were because I do not remember. Nevertheless, here is hoping LWRC revisits their SMG platform now that models such as this Grand Power Stribog have put them on notice. To that extent, I wonder if CZ will ever consider a Scorpion 3+ in something other than 9mm? Furthermore James and crew, why have we not seen any CZ content yet? Did I somehow miss it? Or perhaps you are merely saving the best for last? Stay classy my friends.
I'd love to see some head to head comparisons between Stribog's roller delay system vs. CMMG's radial delayed system. It would ultimately come down to opinions of perceived recoil as the only hard data that could be compared might be stuff like bolt mass and overall firearm weight. Still, it would be interesting to get some opinions on the matter.
Yeah that's what really shows the advantage like you said. You not doing straight blowback, then what's the reciprocating mass? Tell me that and the reciprocating mass of a blowback 9mm ar and we'll see
My fav pcc since the cmmg banshee 10mm. Comes with 3 mags and a hard case. Lovin it. Weird thread pitch of 9/16 x 24 makes finding a comp impossible. Still looking.........
@@05ALT I like it. Very little felt recoil, accurate, zero malfunctions and I shoot it often. I paid $1425 for mine and I believe the price point for what I got was good.
I have one and from rhe box it has always been superb. Feels like a solid brick, no recoil. Only thing is that it only likes cheap/regular 9m ammo. If you use a fancy ammo, heavy, hollow point, it will jam.
Great to see a usable 10mm roller delayed. I'd love to try that suppressed. 10mm with light and fast machined copper / brass projectiles will easily defeat 3A body armor.
I've always thought 10mm made more sense for PCCs than 9mm, aside from ammo cost and people already having a bunch of 9mm. Especially since we can have full auto, 10mm actually bridges the gap between handgun and rifle
@@RobinVerhulstZ Other way round, UMP-40 mags are 10mm mags with extra material on the inside. Since the 10mm UMP was so short-lived and the OEM 10mm mags are stupid expensive now, some desperate folk file out the inside of .40 mags to make room. Those people are going to really appreciate these new Grand Power mags even if they're only 20 rounders.
In 2012, I shot an MP10. That design (roller-delayed blowback) had 2 different rollers for different power levels of 10mm. What is GP’s design for this issue?
I was looking for something just like this, one issue with it for me though.. Glock mags, I have a glock 20 and 29, I want a folding stock, glock mag pcc that isn't overly heavy or clunky (the vector). I was also hoping for a slightly longer barrel than the 20, which again, the vector fails.
James already sold me on the APC10 but I am curious what the recoil impluse is comparatively, for a gun half the price. B&T is Gucci and I love it but sometimes girls half the price are more fun?
First batch was just a little over 1k so in 10mm pccs oh yeah! They will likely come down a bit as supply increases but it's far cheaper than a blowback b&t ghm models and less than half of apc models. 10mm anything costs more, I don't know of any cheaper 10mm pcc options unless you did an AR and were stuck with a buffer tube to deal with and Glock mags similar to 9mm builds prior to companies releasing mp5/scorpion lowers "let's face it vertical or mp5 style mags slanted back are pretty ugly and are associated with the cheap ar9/garbo sub $500 smg style bufferless pcc type weapons. This accepting ump mags is great and may build a market for them since the only weak link for the earlier Stribogs were the mags.
They are comparing straight blowback to roller delayed, no battle rifle is straight blowback, so no comparison with roller delayed battle rifles would be relevant here. Gas can be gentler.
The question was about the magazines... some platforms use a magazine design that can hold 10mm or .45 acp, but the platform itself would be dedicated to one caliber or the other. You would have to do a barrel swap (i.e. a Glock 21 to a Glock 20) to run the other caliber. ;)
i measured S&B FMJ and Magtech FMJ its 530 vs 670foot-pound and Federal is even less then S&B. So S&B is very weak, Magtech is okay. But we dont get hoter loads here in Europe and therefore 10mm is not very popular. And Magtech is also hard to get here.
Well, it’s not every day that you see a guy working at an event that doesn’t know shit about the product he is selling “uhhhhhh…ahhhhhh…ahhhhh.” “ The mag is like 20 bucks.“… For anybody concerned, the magazine is $46 on their site.
I like the roller block concept (AP5 friendly), but once you get past the Stribog, fanboy accolades, all I want to know is what it will eat reliably for thousands of rounds and what it won't. That's where the rubber meets the road. Hate FTF-FTE
Bro might have just been nervous being interviewed by James. I guess the product pretty much sells itself, as the 10mm was sold out before even hitting the shelf, but my guy needs to relax and just share the specs with the customer in an enthusiastic way.
Not in a tight area it isn't. Blind and concuss yourself to fire a round out of a short barrel it wasn't designed for. 9mm PCCs offer you shouldering ability and better optic options over pistols while retaining compactness, plus mag/ammo compatibility with pistols, all while firing a round that's much cheaper to own, practice with, and far more versatile indoors than 5.56. If there's anything in this discussion that hits the "why would I do that" point, it's the 5.56 SBR. If you want an AR platform and a barrel that short, at least run .300blk or 7.62x39.
I would love a PCC in 7.5FK but it's unlikely to happen now that they've pulled the BRNO from US imports. Supposedly they refused to license the ammo for manufacture and it was just impossible to find so sales lagged. Damn shame.
Wait, what video was this supposed to be on? Netflix Japan's Hathaway's Flash re-entry video. But this comment on TFBTV Showtime Grand Power Stribog 10mm. I think my youtube is breaking because I see comments where they're not supposed to be.
First off, it's a "Mag" or "magazine". Secondly, the $150 was for the HK UMP magazines,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and yeah, pretty much anything HK is going to be pricey AF and hard to get !
@@matthewdiehl1647 Yes but what I'm saying they make it seem like its hard to handle 🤷 I've fired all kinds of 10mm yes it's more powerful than 9mm but not by much
Wait, what video was this supposed to be on? Netflix Japan's Hathaway's Flash re-entry video. But this comment on TFBTV Showtime Grand Power Stribog 10mm.
Dude is from Slovakia. He probably speaks 3 languages like most people in Europe. Let's hear your Slovak now? Do you speak it? Anything? Or just English?
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Man 10mm is getting more and more popular
As it should
"Speed and power solves many things." - Jeremy Clarkson
@@paleoph6168 Sadly I didn’t watch that show back in the day.
10mm is the official sponsor of fucking around and finding out
When the round is loaded hot.
If the guy selling pills from Better Call Saul was a gun salesman...
lol
All you need is a pimento sandwich
If?
"Thus guy didn't even bring a gun!"
"Well if I need one, ill just take one of yours."
I honestly couldn't place the scene until I saw this comment. Perfect!
I like this guy's honesty. "Yh well the old stock kinda sucked so we changed it"
Groupie bihh
The fact that you can drop in an AR trigger now is a big upgrade. The 9mm trigger isn't bad with some upgrades, but this should me much better.
James sitting there silently judging, priceless.
Lmaooo why does the guy on the left flick off the camera @2:29 😂😂😂 funny way to break the 4th wall I guess
So glad 10mm is making its deserved resurgence. It should've never lost its original popularity to begin with.
10mm PCCs are particular kink of mine.
Oh hey, I didn't realize the 10mm had a longer receiver. one extra slot of MLOK per side.
The 10mm would be a great truck, Atv, backpack gun for bear country
And for savage ghetto primates.
I had one of the later SP9A1 models. I really enjoyed shooting it. The trigger could take AR15 springs and was pretty decent (far better than the AP5 I have now). The ergonomics were also good. However, my magazines started cracking after about a year. People said to get the new curved magazines, so I bought those. Those cracked on the first time out. I would be leery of getting any of the SP9 models if they use Grand Power’s magazines.
Never had any issues with either the gen 2 or gen 3 mags cracking, I own about a dozen in total.
@@HYDRAdude the new ones I got were the Gen 3 and they cracked the first day I used them. Maybe was a bad batch (ordered from Global Ordnance).
Get the Rainer Arms Lower that takes the PSA Scorpion 35 rounds & other Scorpion standard 9 MM Magazines. That solves the issues with splitting magazines. Am speaking from experience as that is what i switched to on a SP9A1 blow back upper.
@@donald2665 I’ve heard about those. I think that’s a great solution.
@@Murphy82nd I did not have any issues with the straight or curved Stribog factory mags. Just wanted to changed over to the Lower which took the Scorpion Mags, as they are so robust and easy to load, and are curved mags. Also had an after market AR Trigger, and anti-walk pins, installed into the New Lower and that trigger is a 3 to 3 1/2 lb trigger. Ordered some extra take down pins also. The Rainer Arms Lower is well made, and works. I still have the original Stribog Lower, could swap it out easily. There may, by now, be other companies offering other types of lowers for the various Stribog models, but am pleased with the Lower I have mentioned.
Thank you for your work.
Thanks LG
Does anyone remember the _LWRC SMG 45?_
When I saw this, I immediately thought about that SMG model chambered in .45 ACP. It had such great promise. Good thing I stuck to my principles and waited before acquiring one. Especially at the price they were asking.
Unfortunately, that also meant that I (among many) missed my opportunity. I always wondered if LWRC fixed all the issues that the owners were reporting. Don't ask me what they were because I do not remember.
Nevertheless, here is hoping LWRC revisits their SMG platform now that models such as this Grand Power Stribog have put them on notice. To that extent, I wonder if CZ will ever consider a Scorpion 3+ in something other than 9mm?
Furthermore James and crew, why have we not seen any CZ content yet? Did I somehow miss it? Or perhaps you are merely saving the best for last?
Stay classy my friends.
I wanted one until I saw the price tag😳😱😖
I'd love to see some head to head comparisons between Stribog's roller delay system vs. CMMG's radial delayed system. It would ultimately come down to opinions of perceived recoil as the only hard data that could be compared might be stuff like bolt mass and overall firearm weight. Still, it would be interesting to get some opinions on the matter.
Correct
I have both, i never could get a hollow point to feed reliably in the CMMG. The hp on the bullet would catch on the chamber face and jam up.
Yeah that's what really shows the advantage like you said. You not doing straight blowback, then what's the reciprocating mass? Tell me that and the reciprocating mass of a blowback 9mm ar and we'll see
@@plumbbobslim9313 that seems to be a common problem with many AR-9s.
My fav pcc since the cmmg banshee 10mm. Comes with 3 mags and a hard case. Lovin it. Weird thread pitch of 9/16 x 24 makes finding a comp impossible. Still looking.........
How do you like the CMMG? I was also interested in that gun along with the Stribog.
@@05ALT I like it. Very little felt recoil, accurate, zero malfunctions and I shoot it often. I paid $1425 for mine and I believe the price point for what I got was good.
Jmac Customs sells a few
I have one and from rhe box it has always been superb. Feels like a solid brick, no recoil. Only thing is that it only likes cheap/regular 9m ammo. If you use a fancy ammo, heavy, hollow point, it will jam.
Now this is more like it.
Can we get the 7.62x25 tok version?
Love my stribog sp9a3s. Probably one of my favorite guns supressed
Can't wait for reviews for this bad boy
Great to see a usable 10mm roller delayed. I'd love to try that suppressed. 10mm with light and fast machined copper / brass projectiles will easily defeat 3A body armor.
No
@@DinoNucci you clown. there is videos of it happening.
@@DinoNucci ruclips.net/video/-fXLGOIkI4c/видео.html&ab_channel=TacticalSht.Official
Have you checked their Ar15s and new AR w/AK mag fed 7,62 carbine?
Got any word on when the 45 comes out in the States?
It's out
I wonder if this can fire 40 like some 10mm handguns can
You can use these plastic mags or the 150.00 ones, love it!
I've always thought 10mm made more sense for PCCs than 9mm, aside from ammo cost and people already having a bunch of 9mm. Especially since we can have full auto, 10mm actually bridges the gap between handgun and rifle
H&K 10mm UMP mags?!? 🤨
they're probably UMP40 mags, provided the OAL of the 10mm you're using is short enough they'd probably work
Uh, yeah? Same magazine that was used for the MP5-10.
@@RobinVerhulstZ Other way round, UMP-40 mags are 10mm mags with extra material on the inside. Since the 10mm UMP was so short-lived and the OEM 10mm mags are stupid expensive now, some desperate folk file out the inside of .40 mags to make room. Those people are going to really appreciate these new Grand Power mags even if they're only 20 rounders.
Would this need a stamp for the barrel and stock combo? Haven’t kept up with the back and forth on pistol braces.
Yes
How do you not know the msrp on something you're selling? Hopefully, it's no more than 1,000/1,200 max.
first batch I saw them available from some sources in the upper part of that range
So is it an SBR or not?
Thank you.
In the USA, it would have to be registered as an NFA platform... ;)
Are those mags metal reinforced polymer? I would really like that feature on my 9mm Stribog mags.
Will the 10mm shoot 40 cal.
But does it WORK
As the 9mm was plagued with problems from day 1
In 2012, I shot an MP10. That design (roller-delayed blowback) had 2 different rollers for different power levels of 10mm. What is GP’s design for this issue?
I was looking for something just like this, one issue with it for me though.. Glock mags, I have a glock 20 and 29, I want a folding stock, glock mag pcc that isn't overly heavy or clunky (the vector).
I was also hoping for a slightly longer barrel than the 20, which again, the vector fails.
7.5 FK Brno?
James already sold me on the APC10 but I am curious what the recoil impluse is comparatively, for a gun half the price.
B&T is Gucci and I love it but sometimes girls half the price are more fun?
Will it be sold as a 16in carbine so I can purchase it in Commiefornia since most large format pistols are off roster pistols
You should move to the US.
Is this considered an SBR? Or, is that "stock" and ATF "wrist brace?"
He made this guy fuckin nervous
No, I just think that the guy has speaking skills that are on, "spectrum" levels of inadequacy... ;)
Great video
a great neat very interesting and delicious video and pcc Mr.James.have a good one Mr.
Did he say its compatible with ump mags?
9x25 dillon conversion barrel liberty civil defense 50 grain
Is that an aftermarket muzzle device. ?
Butt guy right here. 👋
Wish I could put a binary in my 9mm without changing the lower but this is sick
Franklin Armory now makes a Binary for OEM lower Stribogs. Announced at ShotShow 2024.
I don’t understand why the hell Grand Power doesn't replace the lower picatinny with m-lok for Europe
Yes Sir!!!
Did you say very affordable?
1600
First batch was just a little over 1k so in 10mm pccs oh yeah! They will likely come down a bit as supply increases but it's far cheaper than a blowback b&t ghm models and less than half of apc models. 10mm anything costs more, I don't know of any cheaper 10mm pcc options unless you did an AR and were stuck with a buffer tube to deal with and Glock mags similar to 9mm builds prior to companies releasing mp5/scorpion lowers "let's face it vertical or mp5 style mags slanted back are pretty ugly and are associated with the cheap ar9/garbo sub $500 smg style bufferless pcc type weapons. This accepting ump mags is great and may build a market for them since the only weak link for the earlier Stribogs were the mags.
compared to MP5's yes lol
If 1500 for that setup isn’t affordable, you’re in the wrong game, kid!
And here I was just thinking how there should be a 10mm pcc. This has my attention
You can get a Kriss Vector in 10mm as well. Just happened to see them at the local shop recently.
@@tmango78 That is a very cool pcc. I guess there are a couple of 10mm pcc's out there but I was referring to CZ Scorpion 3+ or this GP Stribog style.
@@imkeerock Gotcha 🍻
So are they making that stock or did they partner with someone?
They Are $1500...
Does it take glock mags? I had to ask...
Ur m o m does
@DinoNucci Yes, She takes the glock mags and gives you the colon tickling you keep begging for.
Roller delayed. Is superior. Unless it's in a battle rifle for some reason. (How does it snap so much in a large rifle caliber)
They are comparing straight blowback to roller delayed, no battle rifle is straight blowback, so no comparison with roller delayed battle rifles would be relevant here. Gas can be gentler.
UMP mags instead of Glock mags?
The question remains “if you have the 10mm version, can you run .45ACP in it?”
I would assume so, but the ‘official’ answer was not given.
The question was about the magazines... some platforms use a magazine design that can hold 10mm or .45 acp, but the platform itself would be dedicated to one caliber or the other. You would have to do a barrel swap (i.e. a Glock 21 to a Glock 20) to run the other caliber. ;)
Wow, a 10mm stribog would be a devestator.
I hate how the ATF feels a more solid piece of plastic (the stock) makes the gun illegal, yet if you give them $200 it magically becomes safe.
Oh, it doesn't make it, "safe"... it makes it easier for them to find it, when they want to, and gets you to pay the, "Sucker Tax" to them... ;)
i measured S&B FMJ and Magtech FMJ its 530 vs 670foot-pound and Federal is even less then S&B. So S&B is very weak, Magtech is okay. But we dont get hoter loads here in Europe and therefore 10mm is not very popular. And Magtech is also hard to get here.
Well, it’s not every day that you see a guy working at an event that doesn’t know shit about the product he is selling “uhhhhhh…ahhhhhh…ahhhhh.” “ The mag is like 20 bucks.“… For anybody concerned, the magazine is $46 on their site.
I'll give it a year or two to see how the teething pains go like with the 9mm...still fkn cool.😉
I want one
$1549.00 US as of Mar 10 2024
I would as soon make my brace pistol 300 blackout. Be it from full power loads 110 V max to 200 grain subsonics.
I like the roller block concept (AP5 friendly), but once you get past the Stribog, fanboy accolades, all I want to know is what it will eat reliably for thousands of rounds and what it won't. That's where the rubber meets the road. Hate FTF-FTE
Finally a sales that I can understand and speaks proper American. All these other IWA videos are in the unintelligible European language.
so it\s an sbr. you didn't give a barrel length.
I'm sure the guy said 8 inch
@@undercoverasiant696 "That's what SHE said..." ;)
To quote George Takei (rhymes with...), "Oh my!"
10mm, Alaskan edc.
10 mm fanboys are going crazy!
do i smell a .45cel
Bro might have just been nervous being interviewed by James. I guess the product pretty much sells itself, as the 10mm was sold out before even hitting the shelf, but my guy needs to relax and just share the specs with the customer in an enthusiastic way.
Its big. I like big 💥
"Uhhhhhhhhhh"
oh yea
Beautiful gun but why a PCC if i can have an SBR in 556?? 556 even in a SBR loosing velocity is still much better than any PCC.
A shitload of reasons: Less concussion, less flash, sporting shooting, recreational shooting, just because you want.
Get training
@@lucastonoli3256correct
Not in a tight area it isn't. Blind and concuss yourself to fire a round out of a short barrel it wasn't designed for.
9mm PCCs offer you shouldering ability and better optic options over pistols while retaining compactness, plus mag/ammo compatibility with pistols, all while firing a round that's much cheaper to own, practice with, and far more versatile indoors than 5.56.
If there's anything in this discussion that hits the "why would I do that" point, it's the 5.56 SBR. If you want an AR platform and a barrel that short, at least run .300blk or 7.62x39.
@@stevem4783 correct
Any AR trigger can be dropped in this thing.
See even he says Stribog and not "Stribog" 🤣
Fallout smg
So many guns, so little money.
$1549.
You forgot to ask how much..😅😂
Does it take Glock mags?
Ur m o m does
@@DinoNucci my mom has good taste
@@RadDadisRad yeah, she does. But she never tastes them because the Glock mags get inserted, extremely hard… Right up the chute.
$1500.00 so not cheap
How is that not cheap for an original design firearm??
Wrong
@@lucastonoli3256correct
I want one of these, but my governor is a dick.
Move
👍🏻👍🏻💯💯🔫🔫🇺🇸🇺🇸☕️☕️
Why doesn’t it use Glock mags like their 9mm does?
10mm PCC is finally becoming more of a thing. That has close range hog stomper all over it.
Yes, but is it 100% reliable to trust your life on?? Still not sure.
They need to make one in 7.5fk
I would love a PCC in 7.5FK but it's unlikely to happen now that they've pulled the BRNO from US imports. Supposedly they refused to license the ammo for manufacture and it was just impossible to find so sales lagged. Damn shame.
No
If its "ambi" why does the stock only fold one way?
Oh come on.
That's not how that works and you know it. Don't be disingenuous.
Don't breed
Ugh. This is .45acp 🤤
Ahhh. Ahhhh ahhhh
This guy's accent confuses me
Yeah it’s like his English is too good. But it should be a Slovakian accent right? I mean that’s where Grand Power is I believe.
Das hawt
Cant buy one even if you wanted. Nowhere has them in stock.
Rainer has them..
FUUUUUTURRRRRR
I like the gun but $150 for a clip is steep.
I think the 150 was for an original UMP 10mm mag not the Stribog manufactured ones which he said were around 20
Wait, what video was this supposed to be on? Netflix Japan's Hathaway's Flash re-entry video. But this comment on TFBTV Showtime Grand Power Stribog 10mm. I think my youtube is breaking because I see comments where they're not supposed to be.
First off, it's a "Mag" or "magazine". Secondly, the $150 was for the HK UMP magazines,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and yeah, pretty much anything HK is going to be pricey AF and hard to get !
I pay less than $150 for ur m o m
People act like 10mm is such a powerful round
it is
Yeah well it is a magnum class round in it's full power loadings, and compares very closely to a .357 magnum
@@matthewdiehl1647 Yes but what I'm saying they make it seem like its hard to handle 🤷 I've fired all kinds of 10mm yes it's more powerful than 9mm but not by much
Disagree 10mm is used for moose and bear protection and more
@@andrewstevens854 Yes people use it for that but 10mm wasn't designed for that
Was that guy drunk or foreign? Sometimes I can't tell the difference, if there really even is one.
Wait, what video was this supposed to be on? Netflix Japan's Hathaway's Flash re-entry video. But this comment on TFBTV Showtime Grand Power Stribog 10mm.
@@AndrewDasilvaPLTenough
That's the same question I have about ur m o m
Ahhhhhh, uhhhhh, ahhhh, ahhhhh, uhhhh...
Jesus dude, you talk to people for a living. 🙄
Uuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Dude is from Slovakia. He probably speaks 3 languages like most people in Europe. Let's hear your Slovak now? Do you speak it? Anything? Or just English?
@@mysterioanonymous3206 people who only speak one language do it aswell, stop trying to sound hard
@@mysterioanonymous3206correct
@@realitycheck4158slapped