3 Reasons why I chose the Hollowtech over the Square Tapered Crankset System on my 3Sixty Foldie

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  • Опубликовано: 13 дек 2024

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  • @ryhold
    @ryhold 9 месяцев назад +1

    That super hollow Litepro crankset bends like mad. Had to send mine back. I can’t believe you were using it.

  • @dc2maniac
    @dc2maniac 2 года назад

    Thank you for the in-depth review and sharing, helped me identify my upgrade decision

  • @johnfitzgerald1192
    @johnfitzgerald1192 3 года назад

    I read about bearings for the old tech with vintage bikes that allows less friction with the ground a force of gravity that allows the bike to move much faster.

    • @nick37781
      @nick37781 2 года назад +1

      😂wtf did I read just now

  • @BlackJacketWasp
    @BlackJacketWasp 3 года назад +1

    The hardest part of converting from a square tapered to a hollowtech is a seized square tapered bb. This is especially so if the factory uses a machine to crank-down the BB with very little grease (or worse, no grease). Took me two days and a lot of spraying of WD-40 into the BB threads with bike lying on the side. Ultimately it took a giant wrench to loosen the square taper BB. Worth it =D

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +2

      Oh dear, I recall a similar experience of mine in the past. From then on, I never ever forget applying grease when I need to put back parts after maintenance. Haha anyway, glad it turned out well for you.

    • @SingaporeUntold
      @SingaporeUntold 2 года назад +1

      Just need a long leverage bar. Some people use the seat post

    • @jaycahow4667
      @jaycahow4667 Год назад

      You should have used penetrating oil which is designed to free up parts while WD-40 is not.

    • @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188
      @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Год назад

      I got mine with a paid for First Service, so I had brought my new titanium/ceramic set for this, to be changed! I have built bikes from scratch but I normally ask for the thread to be at least cut or the crank being mounted by the shop.

  • @Randyquench
    @Randyquench 3 года назад +2

    hi! Great video. Can i check for your 360 bike 54T chainring, are you using a 9-speed bike chain for it?

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +1

      Hey Julian, thank you so much. Yes I believe it was a 9 speed chain. I recall the higher speed ones (not sure if it's 10 or 11 onwards) have a narrower width and might cause the shifting to suffer a little because of the spaces between the cogs. Hope this helps! ;)

    • @Randyquench
      @Randyquench 3 года назад

      @@fredphua Very helpful! thanks!

    • @dean3396
      @dean3396 3 года назад +1

      Hi Julian, great, poisoned

  • @rangersmith4652
    @rangersmith4652 2 года назад +2

    What percentage of cyclists can generate enough torque to make the higher stiffness of Hollowtech stiffness over a solid-axle square taper system matter? I suspect ouside the pro ranks, it's very low. A lot of square taper BB sets are still going strong after 40+ years of service, but getting that life span does require proper installation and some simple maintenance.

    • @jaycahow4667
      @jaycahow4667 Год назад +2

      Most frames will flex long before their bottoms...

  • @georgekopsias9159
    @georgekopsias9159 Год назад

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts, they have guided me with mine.

  • @kokweichoo7166
    @kokweichoo7166 3 года назад +1

    can u measure the square taper system without the chain guard which will be more fair

  • @mikeleon8203
    @mikeleon8203 3 года назад +1

    Hi I'm a newbie and just bought a a 3Sixty. The weight of the Hollowtech crank set is amazingly light compared to the original. Is hollowtech a litepro product? What are the tools i need to buy to change the parts. Appreciate your sharing. Thk

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +2

      Hey Mike, thank you for leaving your comments. I'd suggest sending in to a shop if you are not familiar with the process. It might end up cheaper or almost the same price as buying the tools, so no point if you are only doing this one-off. My 2 cents worth.

    • @mikeleon8203
      @mikeleon8203 3 года назад

      @@fredphua TQ

  • @edmundwongys
    @edmundwongys 3 года назад +1

    do you have any knowledge for oval chainrings? would you mind sharing your opinion if yes.

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +1

      Hey Edmund, I haven't tried oval rings before so won't be in a good position to comment. Maybe other folks will be able to help. 😊

  • @mjmetta
    @mjmetta 3 года назад +3

    Hi, I changed mine from stock square tapered to hollow tech within a week after riding it, I like the feel and the looks of Hollow Tech system, I am now with 50T with 13T cogs most of the time in Singapore context. What yours Chainring size in your video ?
    Great tech info and keep the videos coming 👍

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      Hi thank you so much. It is 54T, I'm still trying to figure out the right gear ratios that suit me better. May do a vid on that some time down the road. ;)

    • @louiscastero6566
      @louiscastero6566 3 года назад

      @@fredphua Hey Fred, what about your chain used for the 54T crank? i intent to buy and upgrade mine similar to yours. Thanks for sharing as always~ Stay safe & take care bro.

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +1

      @@louiscastero6566 thank you Louis, and happy that it helped. The chain I used are 9 speed ones. I believe there are widths to them, the 10 (or 11 speed, can't remember) ones are thinner and will be too narrow for the spaces between the rear cogs, affecting the shifting. Happy hunting! 😉👍

    • @aaxel3211
      @aaxel3211 2 года назад +2

      I am currently on 48 teeth, however i am unclear if i should get 56t or 53. Any tips on that :) ?

  • @savoirfaire8979
    @savoirfaire8979 3 года назад

    I bought a cheap, small Glarewheel electric bike. It came with a square taper axle. It wobbles too much, and the crank arm no longer stays affixed to axle on one side. I plan on installing a Hollowtech system.

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      I just had a random thought, has this got anything to do with the torque generated by the motor? Haha far fetched but just came up. Anyway, hope the switch improves the situation for you. 😉👍

    • @boredalchemist
      @boredalchemist 3 года назад

      if you got PAS might be an issue

  • @arijalharismartopo1401
    @arijalharismartopo1401 3 года назад +1

    I got my 16" folding bike with 58T at the front, square tapered but it is amazingly comfortable, fast and does not require a lot of power. I think one of the most important factor is I use a quality BB, I use Shimano BB-UN26 cartridge, not really a fancy one, but it is a Shimano 😄

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +1

      Good to know! Glad it works well for you, definitely quality stuff coming from Shimano.

    • @arijalharismartopo1401
      @arijalharismartopo1401 3 года назад

      @@fredphua Absolutely! By the way, your explanation is spot on..cheers ✌️

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      @@arijalharismartopo1401 Thank you, meanwhile stay safe and enjoy the miles! ;)

    • @BK-pg5fr
      @BK-pg5fr 2 года назад +1

      I go 56T with original Square Tapered BB and amazingly smooth ride. No need Hollowtech BB which is un necessary water of money

    • @fender1000100
      @fender1000100 2 года назад

      Never a waste of money. If it improves the weight and efficiency of your bike. I have a budget folder. And I spent £500 to upgrade it. Took the weight from 30lbs to 24lbs. Now it's faster and easier on hills.
      The other day I rode my friends Tern Verge X11. Which is a state of the art performance folder. Man straight away I felt the difference. It is the DREAM MACHINE. I want one in the future.

  • @DesChew
    @DesChew 2 года назад

    When swapping out square taper to Hollowtech, can I use a smaller chainring? I am on roadie 50/34T, wish to down to 46/30T?

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  2 года назад

      Hey Des, it's possible. The chainring can be swapped at any point (provided the BCD matches the crank), doesn't have to be only when you decide to swap out the entire crank. Hope this helps.

    • @DesChew
      @DesChew 2 года назад

      @@fredphua hey Fred, another question. I can use a MTB crankset instead of Road crank? As I wish for a smaller crankset.

  • @cherylchia4445
    @cherylchia4445 3 года назад +1

    Hi, nice video! May I know where did you get your Hollowtech 2 crankset from?

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +1

      Hey Cheryl, appreciate the kind words. I've gotten mine from AM Cycles in my description box, my trusty mechanic for a long time. Anyway, do look around for other awesome sellers too, sure there're plenty. Another word of caution which I should've mentioned in my video (follow up vid coming), which is the chain ring size. Do note that this crank comes with 54T chain ring which alters the gear ratio, making it more difficult to pedal for some riders. Sorry for the long winded answer, just thought I should be clear so everyone can make a good decision. ;)

    • @josephhong2724
      @josephhong2724 3 года назад

      @@fredphua hi is your original crankset comes with 54T? How do you feel overall with the 54T😊

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +1

      @@josephhong2724 Hey Joseph, thank you for leaving your comments. The original is 48T if I'm not wrong and the new Crankset came with 54T (or 56? I can't recall exactly). Overall, it felt easier to reach higher speeds on flats for me. But do note that this will alter the gear ratio and would require higher "leg effort" to maintain a certain cadence. So the "feel" is highly subjective and varies amongst individuals (Terrain, fitness level etc.). In my plan to do a video to discuss this. Hope it helps. ;)

    • @josephhong2724
      @josephhong2724 3 года назад

      @@fredphua Hi thanks for the reply, I am new to this, I find your video and explaination and info is very useful for me to explore the pedal world further, thanks, really appreciate your effort😊❤️🌍👍🏻

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      @@josephhong2724 Pleasure's mine Joseph. I've learnt a lot from the community about the pedal world and really grateful to be able to give back somehow. Enjoy your new ride! ;)

  • @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188
    @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 3 года назад

    I have changed mine, on a Lightweight, to a Titanium square-set, with Ceramic balls. As I suppose that friction is more important than the type, but I suppose it will be the same with a more modern set, if it functions well

    • @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188
      @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 2 года назад

      I have had top racing bikes also with Hollowtech, but a LightweightH6LXBrompton isn't a racingbike intended to get the most power out of any push from my feet, but a special instrument for service and travel. And I like the one pedal being able to fold instead of having loose pedals to be lost in an absurd place, as is possible on the new Titanium Brompton! I have changed many loose parts to titanium, to make it as light as possible, also the metal clamps for holding my struts on my mudguards, as they are really "Heavy Metal".

    • @jaycahow4667
      @jaycahow4667 Год назад

      I have never seen any factual evidence that Ceramic bearings have any advantage. They were looked into for bikes used on Hour record rides and deemed insignificant and not used. Their main advantage is for bearings under tremendous pressures which bikes do not produce. Titanium bottom axles usually have a 180 pound rider weight limits compared to steel so be careful it does not break under heavy stress........

    • @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188
      @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Год назад

      @@jaycahow4667 Metal balls come in many grades of quality, from rough black balls in cheap bikes, to highly polished and - round ones. And if Ceramic I expect they are made to a very low resistance, as Factual Tests also have shown!

    • @jaycahow4667
      @jaycahow4667 Год назад

      @@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Ceramic bearings low resistance has no noticeable effect on bicycles in the real world which has been shown in many tests. They are only noticeable under high pressures not obtained during cycling. They are a waste of money but you believe what you want..........

    • @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188
      @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Год назад

      @@jaycahow4667 I have seen cheap "ball bearings" made from rough, black iron, with a lot of surface resistance and lack of precision when being made.
      And if I'm willing to pay an - absurd amount of money for an Absolutely Horrible Functioning, folding Bike on the hopelessly small and high resisting wheels, I may as well do it to the finest and lightest version possible! So even the minute less resistance from Ceramic Bearings isn't worth the money, of course, but for my own Pride and Joy of "knowing" they are there (As also my Titanium Crank, with ceramic balls)! I am to change even the "small clamps" on my mudguards (With original titanium stays from the Factory!!!) into carbon and aluminum, for a little less weight, as the originals are made from "Heavy Metal", even on a now much former "Superlight"! I expect my bike to be at least - 8,5 kilo in the end, and still with mudguards, as I'm not insane and have to ride in Rainy Denmark😄! Finn.

  • @shientoh
    @shientoh 3 года назад +2

    Hi, how much did it cost to change from stock to your current setup? Including labor costs. Thanks!

  • @soonfoongloke4223
    @soonfoongloke4223 3 года назад

    there is a major flaw with my 3sixty.. like to highlight it here for others to note. original brompton uses 3/32 width chain, the tensioner design for this chain width. 3sixty clone the brompton but uses 1/8 width chain and clog wheel for 3 speed. hence the chain dont sit properly on the tensioner wheels..

  • @isbemorph
    @isbemorph 3 месяца назад

    i wish youtube had an option to turn the background banjo off

  • @anup1132
    @anup1132 9 месяцев назад

    Does it make any difference in speed? Which one is faster and more reliable,

    • @fender1000100
      @fender1000100 9 месяцев назад

      Not so much speed. But smoothness and efficiency definately. Your weight and fitness effect speed..

    • @anup1132
      @anup1132 9 месяцев назад

      @@fender1000100 thx 🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @commuterxessentials3502
    @commuterxessentials3502 2 года назад

    Hi may I know what brand is the hollowtech crankset? Thanks

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  2 года назад

      Hey there, this is a litepro (sorry, i forgot what series) and have since moved on to use another crankset that I'm pretty happy with on my new bike. Might want to check it out just for viewing pleasure. Cheers.

    • @commuterxessentials3502
      @commuterxessentials3502 2 года назад

      @@fredphua thank you

  • @danhariz6864
    @danhariz6864 3 года назад

    Hi guys! Just wondering! Do you think its possible to use the Sugino crankset for my 3sixty?

    • @domestique3954
      @domestique3954 3 года назад

      Yes,it is possible with the BB in the right length!

  • @aaronjack8413
    @aaronjack8413 2 года назад

    May I know where to get this litepro crankset /?

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  2 года назад

      Hey Aaron, I had mine installed at A.M cycle some time back. But guess there are also many online retailers selling, can check them out. Will be using a different set up for my new ride. Might want to check out other manufacturers like Shimano, Rotor, Praxis for the cranks. Hope this helps!

  • @raphus
    @raphus 3 года назад

    i'm getting frustrated at this clicking sound when i pedal hard so your video just prompted me to get a hollowtech crankset to try out... how hard do you think it would be for a fairly inexperienced newbie to replace the crankset?

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      Hey thank you for watching. I would recommend going to a shop. Reason why I say this is because, there are tools you'll need to get to remove the current crank, and another set of tools to install the hollowtech ones. Might not be worth your while? Besides, always good to be supported by good mechanics. Person I bought it from is in the description box, hope it helps! Best of luck solving this, enjoy your ride! 😊👍

  • @watiu9lei
    @watiu9lei 2 года назад

    I carry my foldie often going to work, so I would defo like to lighten its weight

  • @rockcanbeastar3245
    @rockcanbeastar3245 3 года назад

    Can I know where can I get the authentic litepro crankset?

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +1

      Hey Caleb, apologies I have no idea how to differentiate them and therefore not sure where will it be available. Hope you'll manage to find it. 😁👍

  • @mavericklimsk
    @mavericklimsk Год назад +2

    You forgot the 4th point, costs.

  • @DanielLimYH
    @DanielLimYH 3 года назад +2

    Hi, what chain did you have to change to to suit this?

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +1

      Hey Daniel, I used the 9 speed chain. I think what matters more is the spaces between the cogs at the rear. 9 speed chains are wide enough to ensure the shifting are ok. More opinions online which u can check out. ;)

  • @ronnie4747
    @ronnie4747 3 года назад

    Hi I have a 3sixty 3 speed was thinking to change the crank some says 56t is harder to pedal than 53t is this true tsk

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +1

      Hey Ronnie, that increases the gear ratio and so will the relative effort to power through it. So yeah, I'd say what you heard has some truth.

    • @ronnie4747
      @ronnie4747 3 года назад

      @@fredphua so u think 53t is better ?

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      @@ronnie4747 I think it is very individual. In my view, the key really is to find the optimum point between the right gear ratio that is sustainable at a good cadence. Have a video planned on this topic. 😉👍

    • @soonfoongloke4223
      @soonfoongloke4223 3 года назад +1

      i change from 48/13 to 56/14 on my 3 speed 3sixty.. happy with this setup..

  • @simonloh8242
    @simonloh8242 3 года назад

    Hi Freddie, I intend to upgrade to hollow tech, could you share with me the model and brand for the crankset and bottom bracket feature in the video? Do you change your chain with the upgrade to 54T? If so, what speed chain? Thanks.

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +2

      Hey Simon, I'm using the litepro hollowtech ii crank. Honestly, I didn't put much thought into this choice, I just bought it cause of the color theme. So you might wanna do some research, so far so good though lucky me. I'm on 54T and we will need to change the chain cause the original one won't be long enough. 9 speed chains will work cause of the width/thickness of the chain, it will fit the gaps between the cogs better and won't affect the shifting. Haha my long winded answer 🤣

    • @simonloh8242
      @simonloh8242 3 года назад

      Hi Freddie, thanks for the fast reply. I love the details, the info is so valuable for us for this modding journey. I enjoyed your videos as it provides neutral and good factors.

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      @@simonloh8242 appreciate it! Good luck with the crank, let me know what difference you feel. I'm sure others would love to hear as well! 😉👍

    • @simonloh8242
      @simonloh8242 3 года назад

      @@fredphua Hi Fred, out of curious, are you require to shorten the 9s chain? Pondering whether to DIY or leave it to the expert of the whole upgrade..

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      @@simonloh8242 my personal opinion, if it is your first conversion and you don't see yourself removing them, I'd say leave it to the mechanic? I don't think it costs a lot for labor, beats having to buy tools etc if this is a one-off thing. Anyway, chain length would depend on the chain ring size too, for 48 to 54t conversion I had to use longer chain. Happy modding. 😉

  • @harrypressman2
    @harrypressman2 3 года назад +1

    Very interesting and technical video. A little frustrating to follow with the background music. If you must, drop the volume by at least 30%

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      Thanks.

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +1

      Hey Harry, I re-watched this when I recalled this comment as I was making my new vid and the volume of the background music is indeed annoying. Didn't notice it initially. Good tip which I'll incorporate in the next one! ;)

  • @kopd2612
    @kopd2612 3 года назад

    Hi what 's crankset Brand?

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      Hey it is Litepro. I am not sure what series this is though, I just grabbed what I thought looked best with my bike. 😛

  • @r.williams8349
    @r.williams8349 2 года назад

    Great video thank you!

  • @keithlim1075
    @keithlim1075 3 года назад

    Excellent explanation

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      Appreciate the kind words Keith. 🙏

  • @josephd9079
    @josephd9079 3 года назад

    Actually i upgraded my wife's bike and mine to Hollowtech . There are people in forum promoting creamic BB is better but no one actually prove or comment its better ? any way my is a hollowtech 1 and i feel its already better than stock 3sixty BB+ crankset.

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      Hey Joseph, thank you for your comment. Yeah, I can't really explain why hollowtech feels better too, glad I have fellow riders who confirm my suspicions! Haha meanwhile, ride safe man.

  • @Bieffe
    @Bieffe 3 года назад

    Change the pedals?

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +1

      Yeap, soon... soon! :D

  • @zeadon
    @zeadon 3 года назад

    Hey for FYI, the music in this vid was too loud, I couldn’t focus on explanations

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +1

      Thank you for the feedback. Through similar responses, I've reduced the volume in subsequent ones. Appreciate them.

  • @basketmania1931
    @basketmania1931 3 года назад

    Nice review sir, thanks

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      Thank you for your encouraging words. 🙏

  • @pupuman
    @pupuman 3 года назад

    Hi Freddie can I know what is the brand of the hollowtech crankset in this video?

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      Hi it is called Litepro. I think there are different series, but i didnt take too much notice. Apologies.

    • @pupuman
      @pupuman 3 года назад

      @@fredphua Thanks for the reply I will go take a look :D I like the vintage look of the crank arms

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      @@pupuman haha yes, that's also why I went with this model. 🤣 have fun with your search! 😁👍

  • @nlt0829put
    @nlt0829put 3 года назад

    the hallow crankset should have a shield to protect your pants from getting pulled while you're paddling. That is big negative for me personally.

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      Hey thank you for this. Mind sharing more? I don't quite get this part and am interested to know. Helps me understand the pros/cons better. 😉👍

  • @sevenpa1596
    @sevenpa1596 3 года назад

    I saw you at seletar!!! Are u testing ur crank? LoL

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      Hey, sorry if I didn't say hi in time. I thought it was a friend and was trying to recognize the face. 😁👍 anyway, was testing out suspension block for the next video, so riding a long all the drain covers. 🤣

  • @kops888
    @kops888 3 года назад

    Hi Fred....like your sharing, but still waiting for your reply to shine....how much does it cost?

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      Hi thanks for the comment. I believe I've shared the cost link publicly in the PPF video. Hope it helps.

  • @letsif
    @letsif 3 года назад

    Thank you for your info, but please ditch the music. Very distracting.

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      Good tip, appreciate it. 👍

  • @seductive_Octopus
    @seductive_Octopus 3 года назад

    Me: I got a Brompton
    Friend: … don’t these things Cost like 1500~2000€ ? Why .. but a 300€ EBay bike
    Me: but wait .. there is more 🙃
    Friend: 🤨?
    Me: … The Wonderful World of Brompton Upgrades
    Friend: 😮‍💨….
    Me: Thx you Freddie

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад

      Haha I like the narrative! 😁 meanwhile, please ride and stay safe amidst the pandemic. Best wishes!

    • @seductive_Octopus
      @seductive_Octopus 3 года назад

      @@fredphua Thx I will do my best but do the same.
      🙃 Stay and Ride save

  • @tiongweiyeo6990
    @tiongweiyeo6990 3 года назад

    Yes , hollow tech is better..i also up grade my bike to hollow tech..

  • @nadzmararbisonalih2890
    @nadzmararbisonalih2890 3 года назад

    Sorry, but your background music is too loud that I can’t understand most of what you’re saying. Hoping you can improve on this. Ride safe!

    • @fredphua
      @fredphua  3 года назад +1

      Thank you, that's good feedback. Ride safe too!

  • @GhettoSuguru
    @GhettoSuguru 3 года назад +1

    Your mouth and the sound is out of sync

  • @joegoh1968
    @joegoh1968 2 года назад

    Square tapered cranks should be made obsolete. Dumbest design ever.

    • @jaycahow4667
      @jaycahow4667 Год назад

      Not every one shares your OPINION.......

  • @seigedan
    @seigedan 3 года назад

    Waa, need to do by professional huh? So bike shop will have to hire master degree to repair bike.
    Your video is comparing old and new technology. Issit really necessary to make a video?