Yes, you're right. It's such a simple molecule (as H2) it escapes through everything and so a full tank will empty after about 8 days. It also has to be kept close to -273C or under great pressure.
here in Mexico they sold it as a petrol car and I own one and its great but the back seats arent very good if you seat properly because the roof seem to be a bit low
List price in Ireland after SEI grant for base model is €21,600.00. this includes free instalation of home or work charge point, and free battery lease at the moment.
Lots of folks don't like electric cars. You can still have a high performance gasoline car and an electric car at the same time. However, electricity is 4-10 times cheaper than petrol and diesel for the same number of miles. I'm saving $2500 per year on fuel costs by driving an electric car to work.
The curent model will have updates in 2013 which includes use of the onboard 34kw charger although the UK & Ireland public charge points are only 11kw & 22kw capable. The indicated range is always a lot lower than the actual range (oposite to the leaf). I have no problem averaging 130km to 150km, last weekend I had done 173km on the 22kw available, 99% motorway at 90kph with aircon even though it has a smaller pack than the leaf it still has a slightly longer range due to a slipery profile.
The Fluence has a 34kw built in charger utilising the inverter as well as the 3.6kw charger stuck on top, the 2013 european model will have have full use of it. Last time I asked they are still debating about supplying a converter kit for the older models. The zoe in january will have this straight of.
I think the price of the Fluence Z.E is very reasonable, and when the interchangeable battery stations get everywhere there will be no reasons not to buy an electric car, and in the meanwhile, recharges and that decent range are tolerable
The reason the range is so limited still is mostly due to the cost of the battery. Look at the Tesla Model S, with almost four times bigger battery, still with room for 7 people and doing 0-100km/h in 5.6 seconds (4.4 even). The range could easily be 700 kilometers (480 now in the Tesla, still superfast=room for more batteries) but then it would be very expensive to buy. Prices go down all the time, in a few more years the range will double, not due to technological progress though.
People said that for internal-combustion engines too. Benz was ridiculed and people said that it will never replace horses. And look at us now. Electric vehicles are extravagant, expensive and for the most part, useless today, but in 10 years or so, it's gonna be a serious factor. I personaly love the sound of a good engine, but they are the future.
5 years have passed and not much has changed, electric cars are still expensive and the range is very underwhelming considering the price you're paying.
LTChaos Yet some electric cars have good range, quick charge and cost very little to run, even performance is not too bad, I wonder why more car makers are getting into electric? at least it works unlike the stupid Toyota hybrids, they make a car with a 1.2 litre turbo and a hybrid version which has a 1.8 litre petrol, why? expensive not so fast and expensive to run.
I like it, but unfortunately it's not practical enough given the range and time it takes to recharge. It might make a good 2nd car, but not a primary car.
It's a Fluence ZE -_- not just Fluence. Isn't sold in the UK but at least call the electric version correctly. Anyway, Fluence is a great alternative for the Octvia with the much better design and few more options. Although this ZE starts at 26.000 euros compared with the normal car that starts at 14.700 euros, is still, in my opinion, the best electric car you can buy today.
Also nobody has suceeded in finding a way of storing Hydrogen under pressure, which is why it is stored at very low pressure in huge tanks. A fact which sticks in my mind, To get enough hydrogen into a low pressure tank which is not going to leak equivelant to a tank of petrol would involve a tank the size an average house. As a result a car at the airport after your weeks holiday is empty when you get back because it is stored in a small tank under pressure.
It seems to be very practical, good car. Range of 80 miles sounds very good for people like me. But this car looks... like Hyundai 10 years ago... How much this car cost in UK?
You need a Range Extender, an electric Car that has an engine that can charge up the battery. This means that in a city you are well riding lovely electric. But once out on the high way the Range Extender Engine kicks in and you are using gasoline or diesel.
He should have made more emphasis on the fact that the batteries ar interchangeable, which means that battery switching stations can replace your battery in 2 minutes,and you can drive away fully charged.
@Createris btw, stop whining! 80 miles is a bit of a long distance, considering that most commuting people in the UK and Ireland don't travel more that 40miles per day. The same story with the US. The problem you should worry about is that a faster 6.6kw charger wasn't built in, or a fast charger either.
Fun fact: Renault Fluence is NOT built on the platform of the Megane. Its NOT an Megane with an boot. The Fluence was a special edition car for the Middle East and some Eastern Europe countries.
Not really. The Fluence IS based on the Megane III platform (known as the Renault C platform) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault%E2%80%93Nissan_C_platform
this is an electric Fluence. :) You have a classical one, with petrol and diesel engines, and they are faster. But this pretty much doesn't cost anything to run.
When I go to the petrol station it normally takes me around 2-5 minutes to fill up, pay and head off. So the day when I can go to the 'electric' station fill it up with a range of around 400-1000 miles in just 2-5 minutes, then I'll buy an electric car.
@Createris No nanos, too expensive! There's a company in the US funded by GM that have already gotten betteries to be 400w/kg than the usual 140w/kg for a much lower price. This is done by replacing the graphite as an conductor (I think) in a battery with silicon. Batteries are advancing far quicker than you think.
I know it is electric, but that does not justify such a slow acceleration. In fact, electric motors deliver all the torque instantly, and the torque of an electric motor is virtually infinite, so it shouldn't be so slow. In fact, an Opel Ampera is fully electric and only takes 8.5 seconds from 0-60 mph.
Damn, saw a post of someone selling one but the boot space seems so small and I was wondering why a monthly payment to Renault was tagged with it, plus the range anxiety of just barely making it home from a visit is a probable _no no_
I think Renault is doing the ZOE which is Clio size,I don't think they are going to make an electric Megane,the Fluence is bacicly a Megane with a boot.
what is then? Look at Tesla Model S for a better (and few times more expensive car), in 10 years the price of EVs will be the same as the diesel and gas ones, the ability to recharge the same and the price of gas and diesel would have skyrocketed...
I am all for zero pollution on the cars, but i believe that the batteries suck. We need new type of batteries that keep more energy and regarge faster .
There are batteries already that are much more efficient....check out Croatian car company Rimac. They make a 1000hp electric supercar with 600km range.
I wouldn't call Renaults badly made. They are VERY safe to be in in case of an accident. You don't get that from cheaply built cars. You gotta give credit where its due. But yes, their cars generally look like things that come out off the back end of a rhinoceros.
People would take you seriously if you didn't quote TopGear. It's one of my favourite shows, but it's sad to see that people take it seriously and then spur it randomly on the internet. Anyway, all electric cars today are using Lithium-Ion batteries. Brush up on your research, kid.
family car with a boot from twingo...riiight. they only chose fluence, because in other small renaults, they would not be able to fit a battery at all.
Has on board 34kw charger intergrated into the inverter, the 2013 model will have 3ph Menekes inlet the same as Zoe. This would mean dumping the 3.6kw charger which would lighten the car slightly. I am assuming the 3ph Menekes public points in germany would be 11kw & 22kw similar to here. Last time I asked they still have not decided on a converion kit for the older models.
I have not gone to a petrol station in a long time to open my wallet and see it emptied. It costs me around €12.00 per 1000km. Every morning I come out the car is fully charged.
I thought that electric cars were getting better, this one is an exception. The Nissan Leaf is a much more significant and superior example of the future of motoring.
At the end of the day I'd rather spend the extra money than the extra wait. People have busy lives. I can't be waiting 6 hours to charge up for 100 miles. That's just ridiculous!!! Like I said before. As soon as I can fill it up in 2-5 minutes that I'll stick with my diesel X5.
Every where yes, but rare in pure form. Even if the sun is made of hydrogen and helium, would there be an attempt to extract hydrogen from the sun? Sounds ludicrous. BTW, most hydrogen today is refined from Natural gas or Crude Oil where electricity is needed. Even if splitting water with renewable sources is done to get the hydrogen, electricity is used in the process instead of being use to charge the car. There's a 'middle man' journey similar to petrol that makes Hydrogen inefficient.
You'll have to buy an electric car in 2016 when the worlds oil supply runs out. Or like i think it should be there should be hydrogen cars which take the same time as fossil fueled cars and all that comes out the exhaust is h2o or water.
Israel had a company that sold these. They also made battery replacement stations. you roll in, they switch the battery, you roll out fully charged. But they went bankrupt, because this was too expensive, and was in no way cheaper then a normal car.
Yes, you're right. It's such a simple molecule (as H2) it escapes through everything and so a full tank will empty after about 8 days. It also has to be kept close to -273C or under great pressure.
-273C is impossible. Idk if this is a joke but i don't get it
here in Mexico they sold it as a petrol car and I own one and its great but the back seats arent very good if you seat properly because the roof seem to be a bit low
Based on the Megan's saloon, the Megan's saloon is the fluence, this is just an electric version
List price in Ireland after SEI grant for base model is €21,600.00. this includes free instalation of home or work charge point, and free battery lease at the moment.
Lots of folks don't like electric cars. You can still have a high performance gasoline car and an electric car at the same time. However, electricity is 4-10 times cheaper than petrol and diesel for the same number of miles. I'm saving $2500 per year on fuel costs by driving an electric car to work.
How's that working for you in 2024 😂😂
The megane is amazing
Renault will replace the batteries "free of charge" (groan) no pun intended...
The curent model will have updates in 2013 which includes use of the onboard 34kw charger although the UK & Ireland public charge points are only 11kw & 22kw capable.
The indicated range is always a lot lower than the actual range (oposite to the leaf).
I have no problem averaging 130km to 150km, last weekend I had done 173km on the 22kw available, 99% motorway at 90kph with aircon
even though it has a smaller pack than the leaf it still has a slightly longer range due to a slipery profile.
i loled hard at the demonstration of the lack of reach adjustment :D
The Fluence has a 34kw built in charger utilising the inverter as well as the 3.6kw charger stuck on top, the 2013 european model will have have full use of it.
Last time I asked they are still debating about supplying a converter kit for the older models.
The zoe in january will have this straight of.
I think the price of the Fluence Z.E is very reasonable, and when the interchangeable battery stations get everywhere there will be no reasons not to buy an electric car, and in the meanwhile, recharges and that decent range are tolerable
The reason the range is so limited still is mostly due to the cost of the battery.
Look at the Tesla Model S, with almost four times bigger battery, still with room for 7 people and doing 0-100km/h in 5.6 seconds (4.4 even).
The range could easily be 700 kilometers (480 now in the Tesla, still superfast=room for more batteries) but then it would be very expensive to buy.
Prices go down all the time, in a few more years the range will double, not due to technological progress though.
my dad had a Megane back in 2000, made in trukey, and it was a very good car, sold it in 2008
Does the car only turn left ? He turns left like 20 times, never right :)
People said that for internal-combustion engines too. Benz was ridiculed and people said that it will never replace horses. And look at us now. Electric vehicles are extravagant, expensive and for the most part, useless today, but in 10 years or so, it's gonna be a serious factor. I personaly love the sound of a good engine, but they are the future.
5 years have passed and not much has changed, electric cars are still expensive and the range is very underwhelming considering the price you're paying.
LTChaos
Yet some electric cars have good range, quick charge and cost very little to run, even performance is not too bad, I wonder why more car makers are getting into electric? at least it works unlike the stupid Toyota hybrids, they make a car with a 1.2 litre turbo and a hybrid version which has a 1.8 litre petrol, why? expensive not so fast and expensive to run.
This did not age well 😂
10 years is over. Is the EV scam still relevant.
I like it, but unfortunately it's not practical enough given the range and time it takes to recharge.
It might make a good 2nd car, but not a primary car.
It's a Fluence ZE -_- not just Fluence. Isn't sold in the UK but at least call the electric version correctly.
Anyway, Fluence is a great alternative for the Octvia with the much better design and few more options.
Although this ZE starts at 26.000 euros compared with the normal car that starts at 14.700 euros, is still, in my opinion, the best electric car you can buy today.
Love the expressions in 4:17 thru 4:24.
look at the coments from 6 years ago,so much hate for electric cars,and now in 2019 everyhing goes electric,awesome
Also nobody has suceeded in finding a way of storing Hydrogen under pressure, which is why it is stored at very low pressure in huge tanks.
A fact which sticks in my mind, To get enough hydrogen into a low pressure tank which is not going to leak equivelant to a tank of petrol would involve a tank the size an average house.
As a result a car at the airport after your weeks holiday is empty when you get back because it is stored in a small tank under pressure.
It seems to be very practical, good car. Range of 80 miles sounds very good for people like me. But this car looks... like Hyundai 10 years ago...
How much this car cost in UK?
You need a Range Extender, an electric Car that has an engine that can charge up the battery. This means that in a city you are well riding lovely electric. But once out on the high way the Range Extender Engine kicks in and you are using gasoline or diesel.
He should have made more emphasis on the fact that the batteries ar interchangeable, which means that battery switching stations can replace your battery in 2 minutes,and you can drive away fully charged.
I have not heard of any plans to introduce the laguna into Europe yet, I do not think in it's present form it would pass any crash testing
So what is the price.. ?
What was the price?
@Createris btw, stop whining! 80 miles is a bit of a long distance, considering that most commuting people in the UK and Ireland don't travel more that 40miles per day. The same story with the US. The problem you should worry about is that a faster 6.6kw charger wasn't built in, or a fast charger either.
Fun fact: Renault Fluence is NOT built on the platform of the Megane. Its NOT an Megane with an boot. The Fluence was a special edition car for the Middle East and some Eastern Europe countries.
Not really. The Fluence IS based on the Megane III platform (known as the Renault C platform)
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault%E2%80%93Nissan_C_platform
hey mat why did you make your video private in the hatchback playlist?
this is an electric Fluence. :) You have a classical one, with petrol and diesel engines, and they are faster. But this pretty much doesn't cost anything to run.
Thumbs up for the E46 M3!
U suck
When I go to the petrol station it normally takes me around 2-5 minutes to fill up, pay and head off. So the day when I can go to the 'electric' station fill it up with a range of around 400-1000 miles in just 2-5 minutes, then I'll buy an electric car.
i have diesel 110hp EDC automatic fuel cnsumption is 6,5 lt in the city.4,4lt/100km outside city.
Indeed, the ones from the standard versions look much better
The Flatulence, good name for a car.
You never mentioned the lower level boot section and the storage space behind the glove box
What's with the back light? Is it made to differentiate from the petrol ones or?
@Createris No nanos, too expensive! There's a company in the US funded by GM that have already gotten betteries to be 400w/kg than the usual 140w/kg for a much lower price. This is done by replacing the graphite as an conductor (I think) in a battery with silicon. Batteries are advancing far quicker than you think.
She's marking her spot.
I wonder why Renault do not offer any of their EVs though Motability? Nissan do, at very good prices!
I know it is electric, but that does not justify such a slow acceleration. In fact, electric motors deliver all the torque instantly, and the torque of an electric motor is virtually infinite, so it shouldn't be so slow. In fact, an Opel Ampera is fully electric and only takes 8.5 seconds from 0-60 mph.
Very nice leg move at 2:59 :-)
Please,review about subaru forester!
I NOTICE LEFT TURN SIGNAL FAIL.is that car or driver MALFUNCTION ???
now Laguna please! :)
Doing an electric version of an ICE platform model is an epic fail.
And it's notorious in Fluence.
Nuclear Cars are.. with an easy to drop in/pull out Nuclear Reactor Unit. It is quick it is safe and it is even quite silent.
Damn, saw a post of someone selling one but the boot space seems so small and I was wondering why a monthly payment to Renault was tagged with it, plus the range anxiety of just barely making it home from a visit is a probable _no no_
I don't understand why it is so slow, because an Opel Ampera will do 100 mph and go from 0-60 in 8.5 seconds.
I think Renault is doing the ZOE which is Clio size,I don't think they are going to make an electric Megane,the Fluence is bacicly a Megane with a boot.
what is then? Look at Tesla Model S for a better (and few times more expensive car), in 10 years the price of EVs will be the same as the diesel and gas ones, the ability to recharge the same and the price of gas and diesel would have skyrocketed...
why 84?
Do you know of any car manufacturer in this price bracket that do not build as cheaply as possible and offer at least a five year unlimited warinty.
yes but compared to the fluence it's more expensive
renault just made a basic electric car , nothing fancy :)
I am all for zero pollution on the cars, but i believe that the batteries suck. We need new type of batteries that keep more energy and regarge faster .
@4:17 so funny!
There are batteries already that are much more efficient....check out Croatian car company Rimac. They make a 1000hp electric supercar with 600km range.
The back looks kinda like a Maserati
Aynısı şirkette var sadece 150 Km gidiyo ve şarjı 8 saat sürüyo bir çok kez şarjı bittiği için yollarda kaldık :)
What's the point if this car if I can't cruise with it in long distance? Diesel version is a real car, this is just a hinderance.
Missing Camden Town:(
Very good... but you never said how much!
ANyways, this looks like a decent affordable family car.
I wouldn't call Renaults badly made. They are VERY safe to be in in case of an accident. You don't get that from cheaply built cars.
You gotta give credit where its due. But yes, their cars generally look like things that come out off the back end of a rhinoceros.
At 76GBP per month for battery rental + purchase price of car; its the least they could do!
Wait till you see the Tango.
why? its future
People would take you seriously if you didn't quote TopGear. It's one of my favourite shows, but it's sad to see that people take it seriously and then spur it randomly on the internet. Anyway, all electric cars today are using Lithium-Ion batteries. Brush up on your research, kid.
Hydrogen is quite tricky to store.
I assume that because he is turning around something.
hey guys can you pleas review the new 2012 audi q7.
There WAS also a Renault Fluence prototype a number of years ago that looked brilliant. What happend to that? (isn't is also pronounced floo-onss?)
Why did they replace the engine with a motor??!!!!
family car with a boot from twingo...riiight. they only chose fluence, because in other small renaults, they would not be able to fit a battery at all.
Has on board 34kw charger intergrated into the inverter, the 2013 model will have 3ph Menekes inlet the same as Zoe. This would mean dumping the 3.6kw charger which would lighten the car slightly.
I am assuming the 3ph Menekes public points in germany would be 11kw & 22kw similar to here.
Last time I asked they still have not decided on a converion kit for the older models.
I have not gone to a petrol station in a long time to open my wallet and see it emptied.
It costs me around €12.00 per 1000km.
Every morning I come out the car is fully charged.
with a hint of alan partridge?
I thought that electric cars were getting better, this one is an exception. The Nissan Leaf is a much more significant and superior example of the future of motoring.
At the end of the day I'd rather spend the extra money than the extra wait. People have busy lives. I can't be waiting 6 hours to charge up for 100 miles. That's just ridiculous!!!
Like I said before. As soon as I can fill it up in 2-5 minutes that I'll stick with my diesel X5.
its raining...i see drip drops
Every where yes, but rare in pure form. Even if the sun is made of hydrogen and helium, would there be an attempt to extract hydrogen from the sun? Sounds ludicrous.
BTW, most hydrogen today is refined from Natural gas or Crude Oil where electricity is needed. Even if splitting water with renewable sources is done to get the hydrogen, electricity is used in the process instead of being use to charge the car.
There's a 'middle man' journey similar to petrol that makes Hydrogen inefficient.
Renaults are great cars to buy second hand cause of their horrible depreciation. After a few years, you get a modern car for bargain price
Who would like to see BMW 7 series and Audi A8 reviews?
Opel Ampera is electric and takes 8.5 seconds.
soo what?
You'll have to buy an electric car in 2016 when the worlds oil supply runs out. Or like i think it should be there should be hydrogen cars which take the same time as fossil fueled cars and all that comes out the exhaust is h2o or water.
Instant urge to make leg exercise :D
3:00 wtf?
what? that's a totally normal way to walk! if your in Monty Python
(2/2) Don't listen to the TopGear dribble. It's a verry funny entertainment show, but not to be taken seriously.
4.16 - small gloveboxes on French cars are because the French can't be bothered to move the fuse box from the LHD position to the RHD position.
Liking for car buyer not the car :)
about 26.000 euros around here...so over 20.000 pounds
it's an electric car mate , that's why is so slow :)
MajinBODY you naughty
Yeeesss, but it is everywere on earth and in the universe.
anyone noticed how this is a different place to where they normally do reviews because the car range is too bad they can't get it there from London...
Why does Renault bother making cars?
at 4:14 u can see the camera xD
Its called the influenze
Israel had a company that sold these.
They also made battery replacement stations.
you roll in, they switch the battery, you roll out fully charged.
But they went bankrupt, because this was too expensive, and was in no way cheaper then a normal car.