Why I spent £40K+ to Make My PERFECT 964 - Then Still Decided to Sell
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2021
- MY Porsche 964 was the car that really started my passion for aircooled 911s. I spent years and over £40000 making it my own and yet in the end I still decided to sell it. Why? Cup spec engine, Trick suspension, Carbon bonnet.. too many modifications to mention.
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Oh my god, that’s my old 964 - Unbelievable! I drove it pretty much every day for 6 years, loved every journey in it and still miss it. Delighted it’s been well loved though.
Fancy that! When did you own it?
At least you can enjoy the playlist of all its videos now you know.
@@GenaF I had it from 2003 to 2009. Guessing Jack bought if from the guy I sold it to. Interestingly the stunning cobalt blue paintwork wasn’t original. It had always been cobalt blue but it had never looked that good. I managed to do some accidental off-roading in it due to some slightly over enthusiastic cornering and ended up having a complete bare metal respray.
@@chrisrowe7626 So (at least) 2 bare-metal resprays in (at the time) its relatively young life.
@@chrisrowe7626 the only question I want to ask please...do you regret selling her?
@@andrewwright. Much as that one was pretty special, it’s good to have a bit of variety.
I’ve had my 964 complete stock C2 for two years. I like it just as it is. A little like a vintage watch that is best unmodified. Maybe I am alone with this attitude. Thanks Jack for sharing this good bye video. I’ve seen all your other 964 videos during the years.
No you're not. A wise move to keep it stock... 👍
you are not- in Germany you only can get the "historic" benefits when the car is unmodified or has time appropriate modifications.. so 90% of classic cars are close to stock. This includes having a original color scheme, can't put modern seats in the car, engine swaps are only possible between cars of the same series..... I think the rules are a bit too much.. but I also thinks that most peoples modifications are not an improvement...
Agree also
Have a 1990 c2 which is totally orig, no cracked dash or any rust, now 38km. Just spent 9k pounds to make engine new. Goes so well.
@@andrewprice6436 My 91’ C2 has benefited greatly to my liking with KW V3’s (custom spring rates- f. 228 r. 350)
Front top mount bar,
RS swaybars, RS fly wheel, 996 GT3 clutch, f. 17x 8- 9 wheels,
993 headers, X- pipe, 2X 200 cell cats, 993 ignition coils,
Also-
Also overhauled stock engine… in the process added more mid range power by grinding the stock cams to maximum allowed Porsche spec…
Jack meeting up with an old girlfriend, reminiscing about the good times, but remembering why they broke up ... and ending up with a high-maintenance flashy Italian Mistress ...
But the sex is sooooo good.
That car is a beauty. It's a testament to you for letting it go after so much heart and soul went into it. Good luck and have fun.
Good to see the car again, always thought it was gorgeous 👍. I have to disagree re engines needing a rebuild around 100k, mine for example has near 160k and still pulls like a train with no smoke, a buddy of mine has his well over 200k - though that does smoke a bit! 😂
Oh, and mine is another K*** GSF
Great video Jack...again your videos are always enjoyable and interesting in a technical area.
I know how you feel about letting a car go you once owned and regretting it.
Keep them coming 🙂 👍
Amazing to see Number 27 again,Jack , albeit for the last time 😢❤️
What a great and beautiful car ,and a credit to your ownership and direction.
Christian
Cheers Jack, love the way the car looks, interesting to hear your ownership and driving insights.
964 is the first car the excited me as a child, seeing the Majorette model it instinctively felt that this is something special, and not like the other boxy cars. I have this dream waking up on a saturday morning, taking aviator glasses and keys and going for a drive, why would you ever want another car.
Awesome Porsche, very cool sound and fun ownership overview video, a Porsche properly maintained and lucklily still on the road today, amazing! Thank you Sir👍😎
There's something incredibly engaging about Jack's delivery. Great enthusiasm and knowledge.
Isnt it about time your voice broke ha ha ha . What an absolutely lovely 964 . It looks superb and the work you did was incredible . such a shame you dont still have it .
Great seeing the ole girl again!! Started following you during your transformation process along with Larry Kosilla and his 964. I then bought one and did the 3.6 to 3.8 and C4 to C2 along with other bits you guys did to include brake duct system, KW coil overs and big brake conversion. Really cool watching this as it brings back memories. Unfortunately, I didn’t buy my 964 for $15K like you did. Thanks for sharing.
Loved the handling in these ,and power sliding exiting corners .
Lovely car, thanks for sharing Jack 👍🏻
*I'd wanted a 911 for 30 years but just never had the cash. Missed out on some peaches too, like the 1969 911 Sport 2.4 SWB that was just £7K! In fact that was the first 911 I ever drove thanks to Henry of Eagle E-type fame. I used to visit his workshops monthly and drool over his stock. He was such a nice guy and never once moaned about my being there even though I was clearly skint. Anyway, I finally got my own 911 a month or so ago. It's only a 996 C2 but it's manual, non sunroof and the 3.6 has enough grunt to be great fun. My plan is to add lightness, a rear cage and race seats once I'm slim enough to fit in the bloody things! Your old 964 has been part of the inspiration and I've watched all your Porsche related content several times over. Cheers, Mark*
Yep, same storey as you, though just sold my 996 3.4 that was mint and now have a turbo..fabulous cars
It's fab that you've finally reached your ambition! I wish you many happy hours behind the wheel
..bought an SC for £5k....few yrs back..
@@davidstuart4915 *Same here Dave. Well it was actually £3K in about 1989/90 but needed some putting back together and I couldn't afford it anyway. Thanks for the nice comments anyway guys. The sun is out here in Cornwall so I'm going to head out in the 996 for a bit of fun.*
@@Retrobeemer absolutely slung it down all night here! - just clearing now..
Great video, I watched all your early videos on it. I owned a 964 C2 for 9 years, bought it for 13k and sold for 41k, spent way more than the difference on it, including a Redtek engine rebuild. Best car I’ve owned so far.
Very good video Jack. Thanks for the number 27 explanation. I just couldn't figure it out..
I always wondered why the name Number 27! It's quite a cool story behind it! Must have been nice to get to drive it again before it leaves for its new life. Really nice video!
Good to see you having fond memories, and still able to say goodbye. I love the color you choose, and how you put yourself 100% into it. And as you point out, some of us never learn to love the rear bias of the design. I think you found your track toy in the Elise...and your pilgrimage "cross" in Influenzo. And maybe you are entering a new phase of your journalistic career...exploring cars totally outside of what you own. For what it's worth, I enjoy these videos because of your very unique style of story telling.
Well said John .I couldn't agree more.
It is always special to catch up with an old friend (or lover?). Thanks for taking us along. Is there more info about that ABS lock up in the other videos? And at last I know why the channel is called "Number 27"!
Great trip down memory Lane and hearing lessons learnt
Just finding out the origin of No 27 made this vid worthwhile! I love the tale of this car.
Great video as always Jack and what a treat to get to drive again a car you've sold. It's a shame it's leaving for Australia given it looks so good, but I'm sure Kendall will give it the home it deserves.
Thanks James!!!
Very nice car ,nice colour a lot of development went in to that gearbox it’s now going to a warmer country no salt thanks Jack 👍👨🏻🏭
Looking forward to the time when you will be making a similar video about the influenzo .....ha ha.....great to get the chance to revisit your old projects...
Love your channel, and in particular the never ending story of the Influenzo! As for this Porsche 964 I find it strange why you remove one of the best inventions for improved road holding, 4-wheel drive, from a car with a rear mounted engine, which would benefit immensely from exactly this. And you have experienced, first hand, the inherent instability of rear wheel drive and rear mounted engine! I have owned and driven several 4-wheel drive cars, and the road holding is really exceptional.
The whole point is to feel and enjoy a proper 911….
The 964 is my dreamcar and i prefere it above the Ferrari 308, but thats my opinion, it’s a beautiful car that 964!!!! Good video Thank you!!! Greetz from the Netherlands , ramon
I remember when 964 C2 or 4 was £10k. Also a 993 cab was £18k for a minter.
I also remember when track slag LHD ex German 964RS (and E30 M3's) from Germany were £18k (and £12k)
The UK had just not joined the Euro (Jan 1999) and the exchange rate was a punchy 2 to 1.
It's now today 1.16 to 1!
Them was the days!!
Great commentary. I came to the same conclusion with the 964 C4. A great road car but there are faster cheaper track cars. I love my C4 on back roads and have a Spyder for faster track work. If it makes you feel better, I exported my Turbo 3.6 from New Zealand to the UK so the hemispheres are balanced.
The tail-happy handling is why I didn’t get my ‘dream car’ 996, as I reckoned that my enthusiastic driving would land me in a hedge! So now I drive a 987.1 Cayman S, which has near perfect 48/52 balance, and sticks to the road like it’s on rails, and I can confidently push it into corners.
Love the look of this car and the spec is brilliant 👍🏼
Now that is a sports car. Beautiful and so well designed.
Very nice job Jack. For me that would have been hard to sell. My 911SC is now on the other side of the world too!
Totally beautiful car Jack!!
I love this - the 964 has to be my favourite iteration of the 911. Interesting that you converted it from a C4 - I remember Car magazine rating the C4 as one of the fastest real world point to point cars (alongside the Lancia Delta Integrale and the Lotus Elan). Love the colour too!
Your Influenzo will one day be that sorted! Superb colour choice and spec. They aren’t my bag quite really either, but they say you haven’t lived if you haven’t driven one, so once again Jack, respek!
I’ve never driven a 964, I’ve always wanted one, mind you I enjoy my 997.2. Stunning car and the sound is glorious. I get the fact that you didn’t enjoy the handling, it certainly takes some getting used to. A 10k 964, utter bargain, even with the additional 40k that you spent on it. Excellent video.
Keep your 997. It's a vastly better car than the 964. I bought a 987 Boxster S in 2009 and that is a vastly better car than either my 964RS or my 993RS. Better in every single area of performance.
@@grahamtricker4103 thank you, I do agree, it’s always easy to look back with tinted glasses. If I’m being completely honest my best sports car was my 2.7 987 Boxster!
@@grahamtricker4103 Ok, we know the modern ones are going to run rings around the older aircooled cars and are better in every way, but which are the more fun cars to drive? And this is not a rhetorical question. I am actually asking out of curiosity.
@@Jeff_F7 I guess it depends on where you live because you simply cannot drive on the roads today like you could years ago. Well, certainly not in the south east. Having driven both my 911s on track including at Spa, the 993RS was good fun, but like the 964 RS it was a pretty useless road car and I much preferred my Boxster S in every way. Plus you can use it for driving out to a nice restaurant in the summer evening with your wife/partner and with the roof down. No contest IMO. Personally, I would rather be in something modern and comfortable today and when I wanted to get some adrenaline pumping, I'd do a track day or go kart racing or ride one of my motorcycles...
@@grahamtricker4103 yes but it is also about how the car looks and sounds and the 964 wins on those points hands down
Have done a similar journey but on a much smaller scale. Should be happy and appreciate the car everything fixed and works fine, but that is a skill in itself
I always wondered why you were called Number 27! My life is now complete!👍
I love that car. Used to see them as a kid a lot. If there was no bubble and it would be 25k I would be wrenching on one right now.
Did you put in the 993 trans?
Really enjoyed this, you seem to get a lot done for your money (gearbox etc, and Lotus fix) which is an admirable trait. 27 looks amazing, and is amazing, but not for you. Let's hope you can get the Influenzo to a similar perfect state.
Amazing story jack sad but great to look back at your car history 👍🏻👍🏻
Cheers buddy!! Good luck with the big boi!!
now this is spooky..not half an hour ago I tried finding where you got the name No 27..then watched this...it's like you were answering my thought 🤔
That Cobalt blue is a terrific color on any Porsche. The Adriatic blue is definitely for extroverts. Very "clubsport." Would be a great color on a 959 if someone had to repaint.
The turbo'd body 964 is still my dream car
Beautiful car, brilliant video, probably my favourite tbh 👍
Love the current blue.
Lovely car, I miss my porsche also but I’m thinking I’ve done that one now and probably won’t go back 🤷🏻♂️
Subjective opinion is subjective but I preferred the look of the original colour and wheels - fully applaud the 2wd conversion and the deletion of the abomination on the rear boot lid though! Nice!
Good to see Number 27 again! I absolutely love the 964 it’s my favourite car that I have a chance of owning. I always wondered why number 27 and now I know, Great video as always Jack 👍
Love mine too.
What a really nice guy Jack is. Wish I had a like minded mate like him!
@@jobrown1485 Totally agree! He is a great bloke with a great channel!
@@herme99 Hopefully I’ll be able to say that in the not to distant future!
Thanks for the video Jack
Thanks as always for watching so much of my stuff!!
New video just out.. it’s a good one!
love the matching mike ;)
Lovely video. Your enthusiasm for your 964 revives my regrets for selling my RS-prepared 964 in the early 2000s when they actually were not worth a lot!…
Just wondering though why the hell you bought a C4 instead of a proper C2 in the first place and spent all that time efforts and money in bringing it back to what it should be! 😅
Also, love the original Cobalt Blue, just to be a pr1ck!
Very good presentation 😎👍
I am continually amazed at the cost of things for 911s, and other Euro enthusiast cars. Here in the US, Matt Farrah of 'The Smoking Tire' spent $18,000 / ~13,200 pounds on a basic 'ring and valve' refresh for an air-cooled 911 that was also smoking at around 100k miles. No re-bore, no new pistons, no bearings. Just new rings, a little cylinder honing, new valves, seats, and seals.
In contrast, the 175k mile small-block Chevy engine in my 1988 Corvette was professionally rebuilt with fresh bores, pistons, rings, bearings, valves/seats, all the necessary machine work, and a mild cam for a total of $3,000 US / ~2,200 pounds. Further, should the normally bulletproof T-10 transmission need a refresh, I could do it myself for about $500 /~365 pounds in parts (everything except shafts and gears), or I could buy a used one for maybe half that.
Porsches are cool and all, but damn! I just don't see why an engine that needs refreshing at 100k miles, and that isn't exactly exotic, should cost so much. And 5,000 pounds / ~$6,800 seems wildly excessive for an unremarkable used gearbox. Porsche people will try to justify these things, but I remain unconvinced.
Porsche guys are a special breed. None of these cars are remotely rare, but they trade hands well above their spec. Cool cars, but very overpriced and overrated.
Have either of you driven well sorted 911’s?
@@claudiomarangone614
I have driven a beautiful 964 Turbo on some magnificent Appalachian Mountain roads. I don't fault the car's character at all. In fact, the earlier the 911, the better for my taste. But with no electronic nannies, I did have to treat the power surge of the big single-turbo with utmost respect. Compared to my BMW e28 M5, the Porsche was a real handful. I would have preferred a normally aspirated 911 for anything except track use.
My issue is with the cost of participation, which I find unreasonable for the technologies and production numbers involved. The air-cooled 911 has become a transcendent icon -- I get that. But those air-cooled cars were simple, straightforward, and produced in large numbers over many years.
There was nothing exotic about the engine or gearbox at all, for example. While the quality of its coachwork and general construction was typically German, it was no more sophisticated than a contemporary Corvette in any meaningful technical way.
Corvette did benefit from the sheer number of small-block Chevy engines and T-10 manual transmissions produced overall, so some cost difference is reasonable. But apparently the 5.7L Chevy V8 also outlasts the Porsche 2.0L to 3.2L Flat-Six between rebuilds, despite being only about ~10% as costly to fully overhaul. Same for the gearbox.
That's all a bit difficult to accept, even though I understand why and how it has happened.
@@claudiomarangone614 yup. Used to own a 996.2 gt3, purchased from a 911 specialist in the uk. Coming from a 360, I felt the whole thing was underwhelming. I have driven a friends 997.2 gt3 RS which was a different beast, but still doesn’t justify the price tag. In terms of components, there is virtually nothing exotic going on to justify the price.
Aren’t car part prices dependent on car values?
Every other car that has gone white hot in price, the parts reflect that, goes hand in hand.
Hi Jack, if it lands in Sydney, I'll keep an eye out for you 👍
After 19 years I still have my 964 C2. Still loving it 👍
I drove a C2 once quite hard about 18 years ago around a nice curvy road I know very well and I really liked the car
Number 27. Ha. Here I was thinking you were a Gilles Villeneuve fan all this time lol
i did not know. I love the 964, i still want one..
It looked lovely with the Japanese wheels the spoiler and the stripe
Love the 946s. A bit sad they’ve become almost unobtainable! I’m guessing they can still be had in the UK in left hand drive?
Lovely car, clearly properly sorted, but there's always other cars and most of us can't afford to keep a garage of increasing size... more's the pity!
That cobalt color was gorgeous.
Jack at Spa Belgium! Getting his feet wet! No video from that but this was a good one!
I only started watching Jack’s channel from when he purchased the Influenzo and haven’t delved too much into his back catalogue. Consequently I had no idea why the Channel is called Number 27. I guessed it was his house number at some point ! Now I know. “Number 27” looks much cleaner for all the cosmetic tweaking but on the whole I think I prefer the Cobalt Blue (27) colour. The Influenzo is much more interesting to me nevertheless 👍
what an amazing build. sad to see it go
That's a beautiful car! Man I need a 964.
It is a pretty car that!! But it had to go, variety is the spice of life. Thanks for watching!
The driving appeal of a 911 is traction out of corners. Weight transfer under acceleration of a rear engine car is addictive. Also, limited weight transfer under braking is a plus. Having said that, everything else is archaic.
Really nice car. Just curious, what’s your background? Do you work in motoring journalism, is that your day job?
Love the colour!
Hi Jack
Just curious, I have a beautiful 964 that I garage away from the house, but sometimes it just gets caught in the rain for a few days.
A lot of people say not to cover the car outside however I have a custom fit cover that doesn’t seem to leave moisture underneath and protects from sun damage/ birds etc, soft inside. I do try to take off when there is no sign of rain
What are thoughts on outdoor car covers for a 1990 Porsche?
Number 27! Ha, I’d always though you were a big Nigel Mansell fan, driving 27 at Ferrari :) great video :)
Love that car.....Excellant...
Hi Jack, I’m an ex-Porsche technician, I’ve worked on lots of 964’s, obviously improved over the G-Series but… non stop oil leaks, non stop engine rebuilds ( and what you said that all cars require rebuilds is completely untrue), failing dual mass flywheels, failing DME relays etc etc
I can appreciate and respect you enthusiasm but the amount of money spent is OTT
I switched from an Elise to a 964 C2 for a year or so after my daughter was born 18 -odd years ago, because I saw another dad had a child seat in his! It felt dated even then and after I scared myself to death by hitting standing water coming off a roundabout I never trusted myself with it again. You need to be a better driver than me to get the best from it, so I sold it and went back to hot hatches
Can I ask who did the Alcantara trimming?
....and was unaware of the origins to your channel nomenclature :)
Jack - I get that the 964 isn’t the right car for you and admire that you were able to part with it after investing so much effort in modifying it. I’m surprised that you have only £40K into it. I have significantly more into mine, but I don’t have your mechanical skill and so didn’t do the work myself.
Like yours, my 964 is modified for performance / driver engagement, but certainly not a full on track car. We modified it at 186K miles and the engine was still strong - with proper maintenance, German engineering is incredible. We put KW Onix V3 coil overs on my car, the ride is a bit stiffer than stock, but it’s certainly not uncomfortable - it really depends on how you adjust them. I find the Recaro seats I have in the car now more comfortable than stock because they hold me in place almost caressingly.
Certainly taste in a car on track is a matter of personal preference, but I find there is nothing quite like the feeling of pinning the car to the tarmac with the right balance of steering lock, and front rear weight balance through accelerator input as you near & complete the apex.
Always wondered why this channel was 27, seen the logo, but never made a connection to the car that Ive never seen :) That makes more sense now!
PS: The sound one some of the clips are "a bit off" in the start.
I thought it was Jack's house number
I've owned my 308 gt4 for 37 years and spent much more than £40K on it!
Damn I miss this car, such an awesome car.
about 5 years ago I looked at a 964 C4 for $10k US... not running, my Porsche mechanic told me to run that there were multiple $2500 sensors on the 4wheel system, had I known about converting it to a 2 wheel drive I would have bought it.
Even after spending 49K on it, you had your fun building it to your like.
And now, with all that craze for air cooled Porsches, I'm sure you got your money back and (much) more !!👍
Too bad it's a right hand drive, thus limiting your market.
Had it been a leftie, the Yankee market for air cooled ones is absolutely mad since a few years !🤪
PS I, for one, love rear mid-engined car, on the roads or the occasional - easy going - track days.
It looked so much better with those Japanese wheels and the duck tail spoiler, beautiful.
Beautiful car. One should have kept? I think so. Love the wheels. My S4 has the same
I'd love to see if there was anyway to get in touch as I'd love to do the C4 to C2 conversion. I'm based in Australia too. 😅
I long for the days where you could buy a 911 for 10k. It's so demoralising growing up always wanting one, and now that I'm in my mid 20s and have a job, they're so far beyond what I can now afford it's just so depressing. For car guys my age, it really feels like we were born 10 years too late. I remember seeing these cars go for peanuts and dreaming about buying one and doing it up. Haha, and now it seems like it'll always remain just a dream.
911's are going from around 11-12k these days its not that terrible
I think the same about houses!
@@olibob295 Where? Extremely ropey 996's maybe. I want a 930. Or a 964. Show me where I can pick a 930 for under 80k or a 964 for under 40.
@@MrManBuzz obviously not gonna be a 930 or 964 but there's plenty of 996 in decent condition under the 15 grand mark. Could probably get one for 10k if you know where to look and get lucky. It's just the way cars have gone, as soon as they're 25-30 years old cars start rising in price again unfortunately. I know the feeling as I've always wanted a MK2 golf GTi but now I'm in the position to get one all the good ones are 8k+ rather than 2 grand
Yes Olibob is right . Relatively speaking , when Jack bought the 964 , they were the 996 of that time , the almost black sheep 911, hence them being 8k upward to 20k for a minter. It has to be said that anyone getting into a nice 996 and keeping it for say ten years , will indeed make a shrewd purchase , although some can't see this yet, those cars will become very sought after and equally collectable. Those in the know are snapping them up already.
27 is the atomic number of Cobalt. That is pretty sad. That said, I just tried to find the closest thing on the periodic table to Basalt black. I settled on Carbon in case you wondered.
I think it's a brilliantly anorak way of naming one's car 😆
Jack can you help me did you take your air conditioner unit out on your 964 the stuff inside the cabin
Did you ever regret selling the r32 jack? You seemed to rate that at the time too.
Beautiful car.
I'm curious Jack why you didn't just buy a C2 rather than a C4, given you converted the car. I have a 993 C2, I'm no F1 driver but I think it feels better than the 964s I have driven. Whereabouts in Oz is the car going? I am in Sydney, if it is going to the harbour city I hope to see Number 27 on the road.
6:29 is it just my weekend sight... or do the driver doors don't line up properly
I know what you mean about the 964 as a track car. You should try a 993 which is light years ahead in terms of handling. I have owned a 964 RS (6000km) and a 993RS (26000km) and the 993 RS was vastly superior in every way, both on the road and on the track, although it doesn't look the classic 911 as the 964 does today. As a car I don't regret selling them because they were such poor road cars they rarely got used. Having said that as an investment preposition, well that is another story...
What a beaut car, must have been hard selling it. Some cars I like to own , some to just look at, this would fill both needs
BAck to the Ferrari then? I’ll check out your earlier videos the 964
Nice video, but I am confused. You recommend conversions from C4 to C2, but at the same time discourage track use of 964's and don't like the rear engine/rear biased handling of the car. Wouldn't it be better to keep it as a road going C4, as it was born to be?
agreed and there is an obsession with modifications. If you want a C2 it’s best to buy one. As soon as you molest these cars at their current price point they lose value. In a sense when it comes to air cooled porsches maybe leave them the #%€$ alone??!
Unfortunately good decisions do not make scintillating RUclips content. But now I know where the channel name came from. I always assumed that you were a Gilles Villeneuve fan, but I guess I was wrong!
#27 Sir, I have been chasing the transmission collar! Please help?