Why Swapping To a Modern Engine is The Best Mod for a Classic 911 ! 911 3.2 + 964 RS CUP Engine
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- The Porsche 911 Carrera 3.2 always felt a little underpowered. The 964 on the other hand was always a bit too heavy and lacking the raw feel... so combine the best of both, put a CUP spec 964 engine in it to make the best 911 3.2 Carrera ever!
I absolutely love the whole resto mod scene especially when it involves a 911! Awesome stuff Jack 😃
Makes sense as a resto mod, enough DNA of the original car with a lighter engine does make some sense. Would far prefer this to an EV conversion any day of the week.
EV destroys the cars character, plus if it decides to get hot and catch fire as EVs do you have no chance of getting out, none.
Tell Klaus Schwab to fek off, leave us alone.
Agree.
This conversion gives it a new Heart, an EV rips it's heart out😂
i would prefer hydrogen but we need to wait
Any content with an air cooled engine is always good!
Cheers Jack,one of these days you’re going to meet Harry Metcalf coming the other way 🚒👍👍
I've been working on lowering the weight of my NA 944 with the 2.5 and it's a different car. So far taken out about 150lbs and added exhaust and intake. Not much you can do to engine but plans are 2100lbs and restore suspension and brakes and that's it. Such fun cars. 🔥
Sounds to me this is the perfect upgrade without bastardizing the car. Lovely car. Keep it up jack. Love these reviews.
these classic 911s has always been a childhood dream, unfortunately i do have the same feeling regards to the balance of the car and could never get comfortable with it..still look at them with a certain awe and respect.
BTW, this car has torsion bar suspension, not torsion beam. Torsion bar refers to the springs being straight rods loaded in twist, while torsion beam refers to the "twist-beam" rear suspension found in (among other cars) the early VW Golf.
You’re absolutely right Dave!! Used to saying torsion beam from when I had the 205
I agree with not being the biggest fan of the 911 and it's weight distribution, it feels a little too tail happy. Of all the Porsches I've owned the 928 was my favorite. Thanks for sharing 👍
I can conclude Simeon simply opted for a much taller ring and pinion set that makes the overall gearing in 5th feel "too tall". When you mention cams, what do you have installed in your 964? Mod S? They'll run out of steam at around 65-6700 rpm on a 3.4+ liter displacement engine. On a 2.5 and downwards, they pull to the moon. I've recently finished building and tuning a 3.4 for my best friend's '84 Carrera. Single plug, Mahle pistons, Mod S cams, PMO 46mm carbs, crank triggered ignition. It makes 300hp at 6600 rpm.
I like torsion bar cars over the 964 personally. The twin plugs and excellent G50 transaxle are very nice, but that chassis is so damn heavy.
Cheers to yourself and Simeon for sharing this lovely car with us!
Lovely to see thanks Jack. Not seem your mate in ages, the cool chap with the beautiful 911’s he was on some of your earlier videos.
Totally agree about the 915 gearbox is fantastic. It’s a real throwback shifter and brings yet again another level of direct driving.
Wish you still have that 964, that was an awesome car. The 308 is great as well once you get it sorted.
I'm building my 3.2 engine now into a 3.4l with 964 cams and exhaust. I can't wait. I'm not sure what the difference is in the air cooled engine weights, but the core of the A/C engines all have similar cases. Most of the weight savings I've seen so far is in the aftermarket SS exhaust I've purchased- maybe 4 lbs for both heat exchangers. Switching out the muffler is worth at least 12 lbs. I have the rear bumper off mine and a carbon fiber bumper blade for the G series would be great. Too many backdated cars now so let's save the g series for us 80's kids.
I'd be glad to share my experiences with you Vic.
I went a similar route. I rebuilt mine 3.5L with Nickies, 964 cams and have a fibreglass rear bumper. Dumped the standard inlet manifold and fitted ITBs from a Triumph Street Triple. Huge weight saving. I was getting 265BHP before the ITBs went on. Just swapped out the Motronic ECU for an Emerald ECU so will be getting that setup next. Hoping to see 275 - 280.
Always love your videos! Drove a 914 yesterday; lots of fun. Be well Jack!
Love my '71. 2257 almost zero rust eastern Oregon car. Now, to put together a nice side shifter for it. $$$
Thank Bret, take it easy chap!
The mention several times of Tuthill suggests an expensive upgrade, lovely car, lovely sound.
The interior is gorgeous and the view over that bonnet,lovely😊
The 915 shifter is Not the easiest but easy enough if you learn to use it properly and utterly charming.
Just had a built 3.8 stuffed into my ‘71T! Awesome fits! TRE in LA did the work.
As german watching this the only trouble is I heve this weird queasy feeling when you are going through these curves that there is something wrong.
It is simply so that the instincts from driving on the other side of the road give you this feeling "Oh sh*t, I hope no other car comes. Oh, there is one ALAAAARM! Oh ja, right, this is UK, all is well".
I suppose it is not so critical (for a continental driver) when you are in the city or in traffic, as there are constant "reminders" where your lane is.
But on these lonely country roads I could imagine it is easier to drift to the wrong side.
Probably it is better not to take your LHD car along, but deliberately rent an RHD, then you have an "in-built constant reminder".
arent they the roads that Harry Medcalf uses? Lovely car 👍
Sure are !
I thought I recognised Harry's 'compression' 🙂
Sunday video - thanks!
That engine in a sorted 914 = rear handling ‘problems’ of 911 solved. The 914 is now the ‘affordable’ air cooled Porsche now that 911 prices have gone through the roof. Would love to see a review of a nice one.
Once you’ve seen the hilarious face in the seats you can’t unsee🤣
Yeah, I noticed that too, like some sort of sea creature🤣
Nice machine Jack. And amazing colour.
Great vid Jack 👍🏽
Thank you 🙏! Glad you enjoyed it
My 1977 911S with 3.6 993 Varioram approves.
my 3.2 can use some extra punch... And yeas the 915 gearbox is not to bad at all.. Great video & great car. Thanks!
Have you seen the K997 project?
Amassing swap.
Few years ago…. I jumped on the opportunity to test and taste the same concept… 3.2 with 993 engine that time 300hp as well minimum … as passenger…and a fairly good driver…. The car was flyiiiiiiing… extremely efficient… but with a sound more modern… I prefer the 3.0 or 3,2 sound… just a question of taste….
Good stuff!
Nice one Jack, she sounds great 👍👍.
That’s a lovely 911 - would rather see a modern engine swap over an EV mod any day. I know we need to reduce reliance on petrol - but if these are used for high days and holidays, with an EV doing the bulk of journeys, then surely that’s a happy compromise?
Looks and sounds excellent......and then I ask myself why I've sold every air cooled 911 I've owned within 6 months max. However the UK's cheapest 996 C2 auto(!) will probably be mine for life
A very well put together car but when you see the list of the contributors it's no surprise, a very tasteful look both on the outside and in I'd take that rather than a goudie Singer !
Great video great car
I’d love an air cooled 911 snd that looks and sounds so good
I’ve never driven an air cooled 911 would they be a disappointment after my 996 Carrera
Cracking video, thanks Jack
Thanks for watching buddy! Have a great weekend!
Lovely car overall. The only thing I feel missed the mark is the seats, a pole position or SPG would fit much nicer and appear more period. I never really found the CS/sportster to be supportive or light and often ended up in more show cars
I hope you are able to get ahold of one of the e46 M3 CSLs that’s been converted to a manual and go for run in one. It would be interesting to get your thoughts. Great vid!
Nice, that's the Porsche I want.
put a 95 3.6 into my SC in 1996
Great driver's car...
It is true that the early M64 had a lot of leakage problems. Bad seals were used everywhere, also the cam covers etc. Carrera 2’s were much better than the first Carrera 4’s.
Cheers from Belgium 🇧🇪
Finally a review with a real car 😁👍👏
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Air cool life 😎
My wife's Copen is available for test drives - it's the 1.3 rather than the 0.6 turbo so you might struggle to adapt to the power...... 😚
First thing I would do is get that Rev counter clock screwed back in correctly its almost upside down
it's a racing setup - with peak revs at the top of the dial right in the driver's eyeline. Bit unnecessary on a road car though!
@@SteeeveO I guess that lol lol hence my comment was being cheeky
Btw if you didn't know Carrera means race in spanish;
What muffler is on this 3.6 conversion?
Saw a 1970’s 911 in London recently and the the engine was running so rich, one could smell the over fuelling as it drove by.
Had a 993 Turbo 4, sold it, the 4WD was too anodyne, pedals either too close under one or the steering wheel and gearshift too far away. And, too much Turbo lag and the exhaust note stifled by the turbos. Beautiful to look at.
Burnt its alternator belt off twice, dealer failed to fix it the first time for any durability, I fixed it myself the 2nd when it burnt off entering Barcelona. Incorrect spacing on a tension pulley which is adjustable in the width of the channel with shims.
Happy owner of a 928 GTS Manual for 17 years.
We are not all Porsche experts so a bit of background about the engines and their evolution would have been helpful.
Hello
I was wondering what exhaust this car has. Can you please let us know as it sounds really nice ?
And in the event of an accident, with fatalities involving a vehicle that has undergone this kind of "swap", what does your insurance say ?
Bye, bye ? 😱
Keep your fingers outside the steering wheel.
This looks similar to the one Jeremy Clarkson shot, kicked, crashed and dropped a piano on!
Interesting thought... hmm; gives me an idea for my old P5B.....
Not an engine swap; convert to a 5 speed manual IF a gearbox can be sourced from an SD1.
My only concern is the Insurance - would that; like the engine swap featured here; be classed as one Modification too far?
Cool content. Enjoyed that 👊👍.
A later Rover V8 would help I'm sure.......😁
@@eze8970 I have already replaced the original engine from a P6 of similar vintage that has a higher compression ratio - it can run on Unleaded no problem. It's the old dodgy 3 speed Auto box that's an "@r$€ ache". The 5 speed manual box would improve mpg and acceleration.
Not sure what else to say. I know my car isn't designed for speed - despite "The Man That Haunted Himself" ©️1970 or thereabouts;
Nor is it the Coupé version from "Villain" ©️1971 Richard Burton.
Oh well..... appreciate your reply and thanks 👊👍.
@@grahamnutt8958 Thank you for your reply. A bit more Oompf (& mpg) is always welcome!
As you say, you can't just upgrade one thing, then it can become an expensive hassle.
Jensen Interceptor owners probably have the same conundrum!
Enjoy your projects & cars, wishing you many happy & trouble free miles!
@@eze8970 Oohh.... the Interceptor.
You're talking my language here.
By the way; respect your "name" as I recognise the Artist & Group from when I was a lot younger & better looking lol.
☮ Peace!
Nice car 🚘🚙🚗👍👍👍👍👍
A genuine 300hp is all you really need, I'd put a short shifter in it tho
Try a Subaru sti down that road and you’ll suddenly realise why they won so manny rally championships , I personally don’t like them , but they’re unsurpassed on suspension control on rough roads.
I remember being a passenger in an early Prodrive Impreza - the cornering ability was phenomenal!
These cars are for the chosen few,video cars people can relate too
Why?
That would be less interesting
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Thanks Jack, yes, it does seem to combine the best of all worlds! Time to upgrade the Ferrari?..............
No way, i prefer videos of the ferrari over a porsche all day long.
Adding a modern engine to a classic? A certain troublesome Ferrari 308 comes to mind Jack . Beautiful car but that engine is nothing but trouble.....
Not all ferrari have the same issue, same as any old classic 40 year old car that gets diy servicing
Not nothing but trouble. Yer man has just not engaged with doing the proper repair yet. Just bullshitting around.
You can’t beat the original steering wheel for the 3.2 . Everyone gets that wrong.
Agreed 100%, but when I got my 3.2 (1989 Forest Green), I thought the first thing I would do is swap out the steering wheel for a Momo. The original wheel just looked so ugly at first. But the more I drove the car the less I wanted to change the wheel. Now when I watch 3.2 videos with Momo wheels they just look wrong to me. So my advice to anyone who purchases a 3.2 with an original steering wheel is to drive it for at least a few hundred kilometres before deciding whether you want to swap it!
No. The stock engine is more than adequate. It’s not all about speed.
Just buy a 996 fantastic 911 .
I’d agree with that as I have a 98 Carrera that I love. I do lust over the air cooled stuff though
Completely different experience. I have a 997 X51 pak w PCCBs and a ‘71 w a built 3.8! The old car is quicker, more brutal and ALOT more fun!
No. The best way to keep a classic car is original.
I disagree, as more modern engineering can transform the original cars failings, whilst keeping classic lines. That said, I appreciate why some prefer originality.
Nothing wrong w hot rodding! Sometimes the old motor is toast, period mods are nice!
If 911's were rare fair enough - but to be honest they survive in such great numbers and are so common - modifying one isn't a great issue.
Still a posh beetle 🪲
The best idea is to get rid of slow italian poser cars with endlos issues and get a decent air-cooled Porsche which is superior in many respects, also soundwise, even with 2 cylinders less.
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Just buy a 930 with the 3.3L turbo. No nannies, problem solved.
It's a fairly obvious mod given a 964 is basically a slightly evolved 911 ..so not really groundbreaking ?..And a 964 is hardly a modern engine...they are a 90s car.
Hi Jack, love your videos. I'm sure it's me, but I think 911's should be kept standard. Putting Renault seats in a 911 is pure motoring vandalism. Swapping in a non standard engine and adding whale tail spoilers just results in a Frankenstein car and in Porsche land this holds little worth. Imagine buying a Chippendale cabinet and adding an epoxy top.
The people paying $1m for their singer think you are wrong and are putting their money where there mouth is… 😂
It’s obvious that Jack enjoyed the car much more than a standard 3.2 as does the owner for sure, many people don’t care if a car is untouched but would rather improve it and make it their own in many ways.
Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars including classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025 on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas station per city or county. Now they even want to slow down all the gas pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime./()/()/()()!