Turbosound TMS 3 Restoration Project Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- I Dedicate this video to the industry legends Ann Andrews, Tony Andrews, John Newsham, Mike Harrison, Malcolm Green and Graham Lowes
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As a FOH sound engineer i was lucky to be part of a production where, 100 x TMS 3's and 40 x TSW 124's were used. Its a sound i will never forget and still hear and feel today, the sound was to die for......My Dream, to own the largest turbosound TMS 3 and TSW 124 sound systems in the world its time to bring vintage back!
"Tony and John, who were also responsible for founding Turbosound in the 1970s, are accredited with several generations of revolutionary loudspeaker designs including the TMS-3, Flashlight and Floodlight systems. They are widely known for their pioneering work and ethos which established many of the principles which subsequently became standard audio industry practice. Whilst often imitated their designs have not been surpassed and have been the first choice of many permanent and touring sound applications around the World.
I Love your passion mate!. Bring back the TMS 3’s My back is sore already!! Good to see someone making an effort with a legendary box!
You're right, the modern digital line arrays don't sound like they should. Maybe in a good few years, but it ain't this year! That's a nice rig you've got yourself there. Great video, excellent posting. Thanks, David.
Hi David, Thank you for your support and apologies for the delay in getting back to you. Totally agree with you buddy. Please see our Facebook Page for updates. facebook.com/thevintagesoundcompany Kind regards Justin.
The best live sound I've ever heard in my life was 1975 ELP 'Brain Salad Surgery' tour. It was the only true quad system, all JBL electronics and speakers. They took out seats in the arena for a perfectly symmetrical sound field with the 3 man mix crew dead centre. Now I've heard more concerts than I can remember, but I have also mixed more concerts than I can count. I've owned 3 recording studios, multiple concert P.A. systems and am now a retired, dare I say high end audiophile. (hate that word) So I absolutely do know what I'm talking about.
I recently saw July Talk at Toronto's venerable Massey Hall-- one of the finest sounding concert halls in the world. I've seen many shows there including Supertramp and Wynton Marsalis and have worked the room myself-- July Talk sounded like absolute crap. How is this even possible given that today's gear is so much better? For the record I don't like line arrays for the same reason I don't like my Magnepan's.
You are absolutely right. Let's bring back the vintage Turbosound and get the best quality not only for rock n'roll but for everything! Who cares about line arrays?
Hi Revox totally agree with you buddy., Thank you for your support. Please see our Facebook Page for updates. facebook.com/thevintagesoundcompany Kind regards Justin.
I agree 100% OLD SCHOOL SISTEM IS THE BEST!!!
I want more videos... THANKS
There are new systems that are as good.
Hi R.Kay, Thank you for your support. Please see our Facebook Page for updates. facebook.com/thevintagesoundcompany Kind regards Justin.
Holy shit nice work my friend I am from Canada Ontario and I have four of these sitting in my shop that have been sitting here for years the TMH series I think you just inspired me to do something with them LOL that’s awesome
That’s is absolutely awesome and thank you for reaching out. A big hi from us in Australia 🇦🇺
Restoring them is so much fun. We are in the process of restoring 18 x TMS4’s and 16 x TSW124’s subs. I’ll put out another video next month.
Also feel free to like our Facebook page. facebook.com/thevintagesoundcompany/
And all the very best with the project.
Love to see some photos to if you want to send them to us through Facebook. Or events@thevintagesoundcompany.com.au
Love your work..!, I'm doing the same with a 12 box EV 1183 Deltamax rig (18" 12" and horn) with P3000/P2000 amp racks...heavy as all, but thumps like a sound system should.
B'Daddy & the Double D's Thanks Buddy,
How’s your project coming along it’s sounds absolutely amazing!
Hi mate I am currently building from new old stock 8 tms5 should be ready in 2021 all going well.
I have had these parts for many years and decided to make something out of all the parts, will keep you posted.
Hi Douglas James,
That’s awesome! I would love to see some photos or a video when completed.
My email is justin.whitfield@thevintagesoundcompany.com.au
Or feel free to post it on our Facebook page.
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Many thanks
Justin
Thanks for the video, I can't wait to se more from the renovation :)
Hi Martin, Thank you for your support. Please see our Facebook Page for updates. facebook.com/thevintagesoundcompany Kind regards Justin.
cool
ive got 2 tms3's, they came from a set of 4 that were used at doofs all up and down the qld nsw coast. my favourite boxes. very particular sound, you can pick it a mile away
+ryan clarke Thats awesome buddy glad to share the passion of the TMS 3's my favourite speaker as well, looking forward one day to buying a lot more, love to see a pic champ! jury.whitfield@gmail.com
ryan are they the old Soundstorm TMS3's? I own the other 2 :)
Yep, Damo's old units.
Awesome, do they still live around Nnsw? Would be awesome to get them back together again for a gig!
Hi Ryan, Thank you for your support. Please see our Facebook Page for updates. facebook.com/thevintagesoundcompany They are the best speakers ever buddy!! Kind regards Justin.
I did sound for a 1950s/60s jive rock and roll event I used a martin audio W8C top cabs and ws218x subs and just like the tms3 the W8C sounded superb the only thing I find with certain brands of linearray they can sound barky in certain frequencies but I use martin audio line arrays and they sound smooth no hint of harshness like some linearray
Hi All, Just an update. First I just wanted to say thank you for all the comments and I understand that some of you feel I have not follow through. I wanted to apologies for this as I have been through some major life stuff over the last couple of years including the loss of 3 babies. its been a very challenging time. We are full steam ahead on the mission, you can now finds us at facebook.com/thevintagesoundcompany for updates. We are so excited about the future if you would like any further information please email me on justin@justinwhitfield.com.au. Many many thanks for all the support. Kind regards Justin.
Great video some nice tops aswell I've currently got some TFL 760H that im restoring in the UK which came to me in a similar condition to yours would love to see how you got on with those tms 3 :)
Hi mate it August 10 2022 and I a currently restoring fane 1001 X 4 will take time to do but I will let you know what I will do with them currently looking for recone kits
Hi Douglas,
Thank you for reaching out and sharing the passion.
All the very best with finding the recone kits they are extremely rare.
Love to see what you do with Fane 1001’s
Cheers
Justin Whitfield
The Vintage Sound Company
that's a JBL tweeter ???
Hello mate
How's this project coming along?
ABOlsen69X Hey Mate, The TMS 3 project is on hold at the moment. We are currently restoring another Vintage Turbosound System which will be complete this week. I’ll have a video out shortly. Cheers Mate.
Where is this project at these days?
Want to get a proper turbo rig (including TSW 124s!), want to know how you are getting on with yours.
I actually bought these. He did absolutely nothing with them after this video(and all the procrastination)
Hi OatyReading, Thank you for your support. Please see our Facebook Page for updates. facebook.com/thevintagesoundcompany Kind regards Justin.
@@lunchie80 WHat have you been up with these?
They're in my shed. Repainted etc but two of the 15s actually have non standard recones(not sure who did the recone). The 15s have very high BL and light cones to get to 250hz and these recones are rubbish. Finding a decent recone would be impossible or at least very difficult.
The speakers actually came to me stripped and in pieces like the video, not sure if they were in pieces because of this specific video or the guy that had them in between. One was still sanded like the video(no further sanding or painting). Still get a kick about all the talk in this video yet nothing being done 😂
One of the 10s had a broken tinsel lead too. Old golden ears in the video talking about uber quality didnt notice one mid doesnt/didnt work 😂
I don't gig them or anything, too bloody heavy.
I don't have tms 3s I have tse 111s x 20, tms 5s x 2, and will be getting another 4, the tms range are an awesome can even by today standards.
Which HF drivers are in your 111's?
Hi Douglas, Thank you for your support and apologies for the delay in getting back to you. I to love the tse 111's I have been trying to purchase some here in Australian but my understanding there is only one guy here in Australian that has them and he want sell them I have been asking for 2 years now. Please see our Facebook Page for updates. facebook.com/thevintagesoundcompany Kind regards Justin.
@@AB-80X sorry for the delay in getting back to you all the cab's have turbosound cd 102 HF made by beyma many thanks Douglas James
They hate 60hz. Not nice for lows. Best to run some big eighteens underneath them front loaded
Steve Harris from Iron Maiden still insists on using the original bought tms3 as side fills. you can see them there every time they play.
I have 8 you want to buy them?
Hi Hugo,
Where about are the TMS-3’s located for shipping purposes.
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What's your contact info! I've got some tms's ou could be interested in or could sell for me thanks Craig!
Hi Drum Star98, Thank you for your support and apologies for the late replay. Please see our Facebook Page for updates. facebook.com/thevintagesoundcompany Mate my email address is justin@justinwhitfield.com.au Kind regards Justin.
Lab gruppen is better but i agree rock dosent sound the same
Lab is better than what?
Hi SoundFreak88, Totally agree! Thank you for your support. Please see our Facebook Page for updates. facebook.com/thevintagesoundcompany Kind regards Justin.
Hey man, do you have an email address I could contact you on. Would love to pick your brains about a fully vintage turbo rig for live sound...
Hi The Luke Doherty Band,
Absolutely buddy my email is justin.whitfield@thevintagesoundcompany.com.au
I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Cheers Justin
The Vintage Sound Company just sent you 2 emails buddy 👍🏻
Thank You The Luke Doherty Band I received both emails I’ll come back to you tonight after my event today.
lemme echo your disdain for line arrays. they should never be used outdoors and rarely sound good indoors.
Passive crossovers.....insertion loss, very inefficient
It's so sad that youtalk so much about what's sad in the industry, and then you don't follow through...
Hi ABOlsen69X thanks for the comment buddy. Check out our FB page The Vintage Sound Company, we are still full steam ahead. The System will be complete in approximately 3 years.
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Well, I posted my comment as a bit of a response to this, as someone had asked about a followup. So it kind of looks like the project fell through.
" Lunchos El Maximus
I actually bought these. He did absolutely nothing with them after this video(and all the procrastination)"
Can you shed some light on this?
When you say the system will be complete in three years, are you saying that what you guys are doing is a complete arena size TMS3? Seeing that the video is from 2015 and you say 2022, I'm not quite sure how that works?
I know Fane still makes the kits for a recone, and you can also get replacement diaphragms for the JBL so I would assume you could get the parts pretty fast. At any rate, glad to hear you're doing this. It's a great system for sure.
On a completely different note. What do you guys do when it comes to the Turboblue paint? My TFS needs paint, and they are from before they all started with the water based paint. Turbo has quit with blue so they can't be of any help - and that Tuff Cab stuff is not the right colour, and probably not as durable as the PU paint.
Any thoughts on this?
Thanks man
Hi @@AB-80X Thanks Mate, we are aiming to have the system complete in the next 3 to 5 years by around 2024 its a big and long term project with custom tri amps which is on the facebook.com/thevintagesoundcompany Facebook page the reason for the time is I am funding the project myself as when we launch we don't want the company to be subject to debt or Corporate Investors despite been offered a large sums for investment as I have seen the disaster that this can bring personally. Yes it will one day be an arena size system. Regarding the turbo blue paint this is the only place I know where to get it at this point. cannonsound.com.au/collections/duratex/products/duratex-speaker-cabinet-coating-roller-grade-turbosound-blue-1-gallon-3-8l Cheers Mate for all the support regarding driver we are still considering whether we will be going Fane or Precision Drivers its yet to be discussed.
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You should have a look at the new PD driver with the PEEK diaphragm. It has a lot of the airiness and smoothness that the Beyma drivers Turbo switched to after JBL. Personally I think the current Fane offerings are a bit on the harsh side, and for some reason the sound seems "stuck" in the horn.
If I may offer a suggestion. A while back, I replaced a bunch of drivers in both some TMS4 and TSE bins. We wanted to get rid of the cheap EV drivers Turbo switched to when Harman took over. For the TSE we initially settled on the BMS 4540ND, as we felt it greatly surpassed the PD offering. But then a friend of mine brought by a pair of Beyma CD385ND and we threw them in the TMS4 just to see what they could do. They absolutely blew us away. They had the smoothness and airiness that the Beyma fitted TMS bins are famous for, but with the transients and resolution BMS is so well known for. Give them a proper listening. It would be a shame not to.
Also, Beyma drivers in a Turbo bin just gives it that extra sense of originality;)
Thanks for the paint link. I'll see if I can find the same paint somewhere here in Europe.
Hi @@AB-80X, Thank you so much we have 24 TMS 3's coming soon and we can not wait to experiment with them so thank you for the information above. The Turbosound speakers we have for side fill are the THL-818 Subs that all have the PD Drivers in and the TXD 580 have the Beyma Compression Driver and all the others are PD. I have strip these speakers down today ready for painting soon. Love to get some TSE 111 in time to come. Cheers Mate great chatting and thanks again for all the advice!!