Tech Talk: Tony Andrews / Funktion One (Electronic Beats TV)
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- "People often use the word 'effortless' with our system. (...) We've always thought that was a good thing to go for. It's like a patrol engine. They're typically only 25 to 30% efficient, and when you get another 10% and it's all over the place. Soundsystems are about the same." (Tony Andrews) - FUNKTION ONE TECH TALK feature, taken from Slices Issue 2-10.
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Tested the first time at the Kompass club (Belgium), what a joy to be able to spend the whole night with your head literally in the boxes without the slightest tinnitus!!!
@@michaelmaterne what's your problem man, I'm just asking you what specific system you were testing. you can just answer instead of trying to be a smartass no?
lol funktion-ones will still give you tinnitus if you stand right in front of them for hours without earplugs. our ears are not made to be in front of a funktion one
I got my tinnitus from funktion one :/... loud is loud.... why are so many people that like funktion judging systems by not having a tinnitus?
because those certain people don't even know the difference between older turbosound speakers and F1 :'D@@samuelteegeer2721
kompass has danley sisnce day 1.
His words are like a lecture. Even though i don't understand 90% of these sound tech stuff i still find it fascinating.
Such a legend. Literally couldn’t agree with him more.
Totally.
A legend ? LMFAO, it's one of the worst price/performance speaker... he said so much bs in the past... you must be mad for buy this, it's only hype
I heard a Funktion One Vero VX for the first time last year at an old tobacco factory in my hometown, where they did a rave. It was one of the best systems I've ever experienced. As described, it just sounds clean, detailed, and just effortless.
This guy is quite honestly one of my heroes in life. I first heard a F1 system at Circus in Montreal, blew me away.
u really must know absolutely nothing in sound system if this guy is your hero lmfao, the price/performance is one of the worst...
what a monument. what legendary person. what a sound.
A legend ? LMFAO, it's one of the worst price/performance speaker... he said so much bs in the past... you must be mad for buy this, it's only hype
His vision is as clear as his soundsystem!
I lways love hearing this man speak, along with Richard Feynman and Owsley...a long line in the transference of prime knowledge.
I just played on a Funktion One a few weeks back. Brilliant experience. Even when other DJa were playing some tracks that might not have been to my personal taste, it was great hearing sound the way it's supposed to be heard. Definitely had a positive impact on the party vibe, too.
Haha funny thats what I thought too!!
Ive been to a lot of clubs all over the world over the years but that sound system at Space was on another level
where is that?
@@charliedronkers It was in Ibiza but the lease on the building was up and was brought out by the Ushuaia group and turned into Hi
Agree. But all clubs with Funktion One systems sound amazing. My mates and I out a 24 hour part on 4 times a year and always use Funktion One. Cleanest sound that ‘is in you’.
confirms my notion that I will never hear better sound than that of JM & The One Truth Band. in The Rainbow, London, in October 78 - or Tower of Power in our local Halifax club in January, 1981 - the Neville Brothers in Spectrum Montreal 1985 J McLaughlin Trio, also in Montreal 1990
Man! I learnt alot in such a short space of time. What a legend! Love Funktion Ones
Amazing dude, I love his no compromise attitude and the actual sound systems :)
No compromise, exactly. In a world so saturated with devices it's refreshing to see someone respect the medium that is sound and the power it has in its most functional state.
@@charlesbritzman4426 I honestly use my music as an energy barrier from all the shit that's being thrown out in the world everyday. It just makes me able to think whatever the heck I want with no interruption. And honestly. This shit works only with speakers, headphones are not enough. Good ones I would preffer, if you ask me 🙂👍
A grumpy 2011 Tony Andrews ! haha ! Cool talk, thanks for summing up 40 years of knowledge for us :)
Great watch even today, thank you !
So on point ! 10 years later...
Amazing company . I visited their original workshops . They made me a pair of speakers (no enclosures ) that are super rare ! They featured in a car hifi magazine . They also had a super rare "Tresser " Audi .
5:21 - "effortless" - that will always be my everlasting memory of the best Funktion 1 systems
I agree 100% with you!! Over the last 20 or 30 years,Audio has been going downhill ,but has been pumped up by the industry! I have had the Highest End stuff in and out of my house to the point where I designed my own speakers( old school fashion).goal: to build a dynamic 6 1/2" two way that will rival a pair of Quad ESL 57's! My tube amp designing friend initially laughed at me.I settled on a thin paper cone midbass driver and a ribbon tweeter back in the 90's when manufacturers were all still using dome tweeters (except pro stuff).the dome tweeter set back Audio 50yrs!! The trick was creating an absolute seamless transition from midbass to tweeter.
funny thing is andrew is one of the worst part of the problem bahhaaaahaa
I love his passion
GENIUS
i never thought i would say this but i totally agree with tony about digital music downloading and streaming etc
Yes, been to several events and clubs with Funktion-One, and they are a bit lower in upper-mid nastiness than some of the cheaper horn systems out there. However, event their best in 2021-2022 does not compare, or come close to high fidelity. Harsh, fatiguing and having all sorts of issues compared to a great non-horn loaded or related system. Even some of the hybrids like L-Acoustics, D&B and others blow away Function One. Like most of the stuff out there based on horns, these systems need help if we are to have anything approaching great fidelity that does not leave your ears and soul hurting.
I am stunned by how well this man has articulated my exact thoughts.
Not even 10% of the DJ's I've discussed this with have been on the same page.
It's only a small minority of people that would even consider these factors important.
I have been in countless debates throughout my life
regarding every single point he touched on, very rarely having any positive results.
I've received a lot of negative backlash due to having these opinions,
from friends, family, even from established professionals.
I can't really put into words how this video has made me feel, but I can
honestly say this is the most proud I have been with myself in my entire life.
Slightly overly dramatic comment I'm sure, but this means a lot too me for a a whole slue of reasons.
Thank you Tony Andrews.
He quite lighted my head a lot. Now I know how special I am for growing up with a dad that had a disco with russian speakers back in the day. 80s 90s. 😉 And he's perfectly right with everything he said. If peope would put some of his ideas in action the whole world would change for the better.
I've rarely heard his systems when they're not being pushed to their edge. Having all that spare capability is useless if it's already too loud and still pushed to their limits to the point of starting to misbehave.
100 watts of sound wouldn't kill you.
Speed of sound in the material is not that important.
Humans can only hear 20bit/48khz, and the rest is processing headroom and low-pass filters choices.
It's a lot easier to get great sound from a digital mixer compared to analog.
Funktion One now uses DSPs, and as such it's easier to just use digital and connect digitally.
I don't disagree with much of the rest of what he said about the room treatments or most DJs not being audiophiles or sound engineers.
in price/performance Funktion one is the worst of the worst :) for hyped people who doesnt know anything in sound system ..
It's all well and good talking about needing 96khz wav files to get the best out of these systems but that wasnt even possible on industry standard cdjs until 10 years after this video was released. In fact, i challenge anyone to go to your local funktion one equipped dancefloor and see if you can hear the difference between a 320mbps mp3 and a 44.1khz wav. I would be very suprised if you can
Love this guy. Said a lot of true things !!
Expanding on my comment,I had a whole living room full of the highest end drivers that I listened to in free air,but settled on the inexpensive ones,due to them sounding better!! have been building Horn Designs that I am having a lot of fun with! Thanks.Chris.
Great tracks on this itw. And great itw!
Love this
Been to Berghain few times... indeed that system is just top notch.. haven't gotten the experience as that anywhere else.
do you have to dress like a satanist to get in?
ne lebende Legende
Spot on
Dude goes on an audiophile rant
Ahahah yeah I guess that's what this was when you break it down.
I like his rant
I know, right?! Specialists. Always think they know better…
@@benlawrence4096 exactly! fortunately thats all changing now…
Damn experts!
They look somewhat similar to the Turbosound TMS4 speakers I have sitting in the garage. I can't wait to hear those again.
That used to be his company.
The Funktion One system in Lost Beach Club, Montanita, Ecuador is absolutely INSANE
I've seen better, but their overall audio quality is very good. It's strange at first, it creates a very weird sensation when you stand near them but when you get used to it, you just want more.
Legend!
Tony Andrews picked up where Richard Long " Studio 54,Paradise Garage, Zanzibar...etc" left off. He also came up with Turbosound speakers as well.
He is right about the MP3 problem but also cites CD as being below the standard we should have, Phillips brought out a much higher resolution SACD which failed in the market unfortunately (it was inconvenient it seems for consumers) which now does not leave much choice on the playback front, live instruments of course are very different so could it be back to vinyl!
Great guy
beautiful
I love 99% of what he said; but I don't think he's exactly correct about 24bit/96khz. Amplifiers/DACs don't really accurately output 24bits of resolution even on the very high end. It's not necessary and doesn't really improve playback. It does improve digital mixing/mastering though.
100% agree with you about bit depth and sample rate. But i can't fault him for having a "No compromise" attitude, even if some of what he says just isn't accurate. Its better to be wrong in a way that doesn't compromise quality, than the other way around.
I’d love to have a listen in a club that directs and designs from ground up including the room and booth. Dreams
Legend.
brilliant!
Legend
This man is an open encyclopedia…
with a little bs in :)
I have neever seen such an old padawan.
Yes Mate
You Sir are a Legend kids today don't know good sound. Reminds me of the Froggy days with his sound system.
Class D makes distortion and power. Class AB will be quality.
Technics 1200's is all u need
LMAO, u are funny, i'm 27 yo, and i'm sure i know well better the subject than you, funktion one is one of the worst in price/performance, there is actually a lot of very good speaker, and amplifier, Andrews is a seller doing his marketing, and it work, all people i know and know very well in sound system, know F1 isn't a good choice, it's just Hype for people like you, you must really know nothing in sound system to think new amplifier and speaker are bad, there is plenty new technology in sub kick for example like paraflexes, and a tons of T3V as good or better than this... just look on sound agency (i'm french it's an entreprise in my country) the SA3V-1581 ... the spectrum and dispersion is wayyy more interesting than f1, and i will not talk about the price. BTW, the distortion on class D isn't noticeable at all, another proof you know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about.
Also technics isn't any better than numeric, it's the opposite, there is a distortion, transcients lacks on the technics and more noise you dont have on numeric... so you are wrong everywhere, well done kid
And because we are talking about sound system, we will not even talk about line array... i saw funktiun one at boom festival, they fired it for D&B, because it's better, i know it's not comparable, and it is, just to add to your trash arguiment that what we do today is bad, sound systems and line array are in a extremely good situation, and amplifier in china (D420 morin, and K30 morin all class D) now are very close same quality as crown (AB), for bass china are better in electronic music, for certains types of others musics crown remain better, i'm sorry for you, in electronic music they are better... i know it's hard if you are american or english from hearing that chinese is better, but it's the reality, and you need a looooot money to do the same thing on AB... Not all people has the money and it's not worth it now, there is also new class AB+T like CK26 amplifier from yndpoweramplifier, which is i think the best i know actually
This Guy seriously gets itl
love this guy he's so curmudgeonly
I'd like to do a double blind test with someone like this and see if they can tell the difference between WAV and it's 320Kb/s counterpart.
Have done it before, and yes, you can tell the difference on a big system. I've tried it with meyer and funktion one.
that's like saying "I'd love to do a double blind test with Steven Spielberg to see if he can tell the difference between a jpg and an 8k uncompressed image on a cinema screen"
i can easily hear the difference between 16bit dynamics and 24bit, and 44.1k and 96k
How Well Can You Hear Audio Quality? (Google) There are different songs with 128k 320k and Wav. With good equipment you can hear the difference. I would say there is more headroom. It goes deeper into the ear. There is more magic. Especially on high dB with 320k or wav it sounds better. But to be fair, produced crap sounds like crap even in 320k or wav.
I think i can hear the difference when dj‘ing at home. There is simply no pressure when you play mp3.
6:30 - "The digital world has not brought better sound, it's made it worse"
AMEN!!!!!!!
it made me hard to accept his perception but i still agree with that legendary duke of music.
I love how detailed this guy is.
This guy is someone who actualy understands how we feel music.
I have been to one club in berlin that is using function-one and damn that was an experience ... its as spiritual as he is claiming it to be.
I feel sorry for you for not being able to listen to music on other brands soundsystems that are as good. Just because you might be surprised how easy it is to create a nice good sound out of something not as good with advertising as well 👍
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any news on whether it is being released/ who the artist it? Cheers!
where can i get the soundtrack played in this video
Tracklist?
do anyone know the soundtracks of this video??
I was trusting this guy till he started saying he could tell the difference between 16bit 44khz and 24bit 96khz.
I will eat a wide and varied selection of hats if he can prove this live...
Speedy J did the first track with that sample, I believe. Wighnomy Bros made a nice one too, much later.
It's SO THE BEST SOUND SYSTEM IN THE WORLD, WHETHER IN FORCE AS AT
QUALITY ..
Alexandrino Correia nope Danley
But respect for this man. Master of his craft
I have listened to many Pa's in my field of work. L'acoustics. EV. D&B. martin . you name it. I have never ever had to pleasure before to work with a system that's so honest in it's engineering that a proper sound technican needs to be present. The modern banana line systems are uncomprable to this point source system. back to natural
yes line array are way better, but designed for mid-big events, it's not really comparable
If jazz/classical doesn't sound good through your tekno rig
you need to re-tune it
or upgrade if you can afford it
@RandomnessTube
most of them, yes. not all.
Need a tracklist for this video tbh
Anyone got Track ID on 1:24 , 2:43 , 6:10 , 14:37 ?
dude seriously goddaaaamn
Anyone know the track ID's for this doco?
hahah scrolling tru comments looking for same thing
First at 11:00 minutes in, he begins to talk about the importance of the room.
Seems like he doesn't have a clue.
He is 50+ and claims he can hear, not only a difference, but a MASSIVE difference between 320 kbps MP3 and WAV.
must be god
+Leave The World Behind Have you listened to a F1 system recently? Not in a night club, where everybody is chatting and shouting and getting drunk, but rather in a studio or a sound-deadened room. I have - it's like comparing a 240p RUclips video to 4k RAW material. Night and day. I encourage you to try it for yourself, it really is an experience.
+computerschreck this is totally unimportand because the locations where the F1 systems are used AREN'T sound-deadened rooms or studios! Why should someONE, yep, ONE man, have a PA System like this, that can handle 120dB and more, in his small, tiny studio that only has about 30m²????
Complete nonsense!
And even IF this one man has such a system (or ANY sytem) in his room, the first, the absolutely first thing you inmproove is the room-acoustics! And exactly this is what Leave The World Behind talks about.
think about your commment, computerschreck
sry 4 bad english, i'm tired :P
Man , plz listen to that guy !
Leave The World Behind u can hear a massive difference, trust me!! Can I hear a difference in my headphones or home soundsystem worth 2000 usd?? No, but when u run the files through a 300k sound system theres no doubt u can hear the difference.
WORD UP
and this dude start mentioning 24 bit audio
im like.. ok u got my unlimited respect
@D. A. Bullshit. The only reason 32bit float is all over the place is because it's used in applications far beyond audio and is therefore ubiquitous and cheap. People aren't coding 32bit float stuff from scratch. They're licensing the code from somewhere else.
4:00 I agree
Very, as well
I want to buy good dj mixer - any suggestions?
Funktion 1 make great DJ mixers
Check Rane they use high quality hifi components
4:43 - who knows the track ID?
6:04 - someone, sample this!
for sure don't make it digital hahahhaha
He's right
Work in progress now!
Speakers produce far more distortion than power amplifiers do.
yes specially in budget speakers.lol
True, but if you get a crystal clear amplifier, you would have a totally different audio experience.
@@Bogdyindahous Not really. The distortion from the speakers is already orders of magnitude greater than the amps, and there already are ultra low distortion amps.
@@Reticuli I didn't say it produces more, probably you're right.. What I'm saying, from my experience, if you get a good quality amplifier it can totally change your audio experience.. cheers
Distortion can be desirable for audiophiles. There are audiophiles that swear off the insanely expensive ultra high end home audio speakers because the sound is just way too accurate for their tastes.
Sound Quality has degraded somewhat since the introduction of MP3's into the market (not to say sound has got worse just that the general levels of accepted quality has been lowered) this is to do with bit depth and sample rate. This guy may sound like a douche to you but he knows what he's talking about and that probably makes you feel inadequate!
Truth
ha! cool
Do they live up to the hype? Never heard of these speakers before
Yeah they do for sure! They sound amazing
@@InternetThe o wow nice
In terms of audio theory, can't point out anything wrong with what he's saying.
I was a martin audio/labgruppen fanboy until i experienced an f1 going! =:D
Dynacord?
I think I heard a Funktion system at Roxy's in NYC, and I did not think it matched the Richard Long system there before. I might be wrong who that system was designed by, yet I do agree these new systems are extra Garbage. In here, in my studio, I use a time delay, passive speakers , power amps, and of course my turntables/vinyl. I would like to know what DJ mixers he likes, which needles, etc,etc, he suggests.. I run everything as flat as possible and would rather use processing other than EQs when I am spinning...I think MP3 sucks..Beats headphones..NOT...
🙌🏼 I have been fortunate to play my music n sound all over Britain & Europe and I will say F1 is the total nuts. I played vinyl in a F1 system and fudge me it was another level. He forgot to mention the sound engineer ?? Who is instrumental. I was a resident at ministry of sound in the the early 2000’s and the engineers fucked the sound for about a month n half before they could get it right. So what I’m saying is they fucked it so the sound engineer is very important.
4.40 название песни пожалуйста?
I don't know why but I've never enjoyed this system, I always find it lacking sub bass too
u know this shittt is good when the dude gets angry talking bout politics
Please point out where he is wrong.
The bit between 00:00 and 14:49
He's not, that's the fucking point. 🙂
Unless someone goes full analog from the get go - I.e. all analog synths/drum machine/Iive instruments - direct to tape then mix down to tape again with masters being printed to tape and then cut vinyl directly from tape , you’re going to end up in digital land at some point. At this point, it totally makes sense for everything to be 96/24, hdd are cheap, internet is fast, why not? But unfortunately most of the music released in the last 10 years I’ve had a hard time finding in 24bit, not to mention its expensive to cut vinyl and not as many people are playing vinyl these days. I would 100% pay at $1 a song for 24bit files of my 500 track library I have right now. Maybe someday! If there were more clubs out there that had ridiculously good sounding systems with resident djs that knew there shit maybe more people would demand it?
6:45 “yeah hahaha I agree MP3s suck hahaha”
*frantically deleting my mp3 library and downloading flac*
Makes me want to establish a nightclub! :D
Gwan
Amazing loudspeakers. Terrible ponytail.
That’s a mullet.
@@davidcaudill644 Its something alright!
Tippers sound system of choice....
he does say that having an f1 system doesn't ensure it will sound right, he agrees that its a more delicate science :)
Unreleased.
If 100 watts of pure sound would be enough to kill me? How is it that I'm not dead after standing in front of like 1000 Watt speakers with maybe 10 %efficiency?
Ask Tony 😬
My friend, I'll explain. It's not compact enough. You might think that you're getting all of it, but you don't. 😉 Think about that. It's very hard to direct sound, if you know what I mean. To compact it so well in a speaker and to push it perfectly to your face, though it's done alright, if you would get 100 watts of musical power in your face, your head will pop. It's not electrical power he's actually talking about, but instead musical power and that's a whole different problem to discuss about.
It will be about 129 dB SPL at 1 metre for an omnidirectional source. If your speaker radiates at 1 steradian (65 degree dispersion angle), then that goes up to 140dB SPL, so death is unlikely, but deafness is quite possible. If you got closer than 1 metre and piped it into a helmet or around a vital organ though I'm not sure.
which statements? I always find him quite plausible
12:40 Ear Fatigue!
I had a great teacher once in school or highschool, he used to say that we have to keep quiet in class, at least when we're at school. He argued with stupid kids who were making fun of this. One day he got angry and said: "You think you're smart? You think being quiet is useless? You're wrong! Noise drains you the most! Noise! And the quickest. It's very important to not disturb the silence or calmness of the environment if you want to have energy.
is he saying he cant make a speaker that can deal with todays challenges?