I stand in awe of a crew that can keep piston aircraft flying in nearly intolerable weather conditions. I've worked on aircraft outside in +20 degree weather and it's miserable. I can't believe these guys working in -40 degree weather with wind. I shiver just thinking about it.
Sometimes it's rough just working on my car in 20 or 30 degree weather . 40 below with wind is brutal. Any exposed skin will be frostbitten within seconds.
One big reason these older planes keep going is they are not pressurized. Fuselages of newer planes (like the electra, and their new 737) will stretch and contract from this. That means metal fatigue, and a shorter life span for the airplane.
When I was a kid I was not far from 2 major NYC airports. I still remember the sight and sound of those Constellations, DC6's, etc. rumbling overhead as they arrived and departed the major airports. It was awesome.
Not sure how recent this episode is, however Justin displayed great leadership in a difficult situation and finished the mission. I particularly liked the way he spoke to an engine when it started, many would not understand that.
I flew piston twins in WV commercially as a pilot for a coal company and a co-pilot for a law firm. Never ignore a woman or a piston engine. Talk to them, all the time, waking them up, cruising with them, “landing” and most of all when they want to get difficult! “Come on baby…..let’s go home!” Stuff like that. My practice was to work with my mechanics as much as possible to learn as much as possible about them. You learn the sound when they are humming along and when things just don’t sound right. Especially starting, you sort of have to “wake them up” but then the oil starts flowing and everything gets happy in there and you know it’s gonna be a good day, hopefully.
@@UncaDave I remember reading about the Russians Pilots putting Av Gas in their oil sump to Prevent the Oil from Freezing up during the cold nights which the German air Force then copied after learning it from captured Russian pilots, apparently when the engine restarts the Gas would evaporate and the engine would be ok. I thought they'd be using something similar by now? like I put cetane in my VW diesel fuel to prevent it from gelling up also in big rig trucks I'm a trucker.
@@michaelsamuel9917 Plus now days we have sump heaters and some people can install a device that pressurizes the oil in the engine to get it everywhere before a start. Of course it only works best when the oil is either heated or at temp that allows flow. When it was 40 degrees or colder I used a Dragon propane heater to warm my engine up and even in the cockpit on the avionics in a more reduced way. Yes, the ice pilots up there might as well be at the Russian front so to speak!
How could they make such a mistake in identifying the aircraft, especially after placing its design back to the Second World War? (A period not known for the widespread use of jet planes.)
Yup, DC-10 has 3 jet engines from the 1970s/ 1980s era. The first plane I flew on as a kid to go to Disney World. Similar to Lockheed L-1011 with a 3rd jet engine under the rudder.
@@ShaunsCentral-Maine The very first airplane that I flew on was a Cessna but, the first passenger jet I flew on was a Stretch(ed DC)8. I crossed the Atlantic in that Stretch-8 but back then (1968) the plane couldn't carry enough fuel for the entire crossing so, going and returning required a refuelling stop in Iceland. As luck would have it, both crossings landed in Iceland at night in a pea soup fog so all I saw of the country was a dinky little terminal building. Bummer.
Wow! My respect to yours, guys! I used to work as a ground crew on An-24, 26 and 32 in the Siberia. We had a turboprops but the sceens looked very similar. Winter is a awful time.
I love the winter. But it still ain't fun when it's 40 or 50 below zero + high winds and you have to stand outside trying to troubleshoot an aircraft engine in that level of bitter cold.
While Joe definitely shows his temper, unless you’ve traveled extensively in these areas (including Nome AK during the endless night winter with -40 temps - I have multiple times alone as a paraplegic), it’s impossible to comprehend the severity of their endless challenges. Add to this, an antique fleet, I’m still blown away by his employees that make their trips safely.
CONGRATULATIONS....You've just shown the entire world that you have absolutely no clue what a DC-10 is...perhaps you can have an encore where you tell people a Dodge Dart is a Cadillac?
I thought Joe would lose it on Justin but he handled it well-I've grown to respect him. Not sure why Justin couldn't take both the fuel and the 'Herman-Ellison' heater...still their tactic worked. Definitely not an easy job-they went through hell, keeping the engines warm overnight. Chuck is right, Buffalo is tougher than the military.
During WWII on the Eastern Front the Russian and German pilots would add gasoline to the engine oil prior to shutting the engines down. This thinned out the oil so the engines would start on the cold mornings, then when the oil heated up the gasoline would evaporate and the oil would return to its proper viscosity.
Dam I never knew DC-10s looked like that?? Amazing machines those DC-3s and DC-4s. Buffalo airways is awesome!! I Love Joe & Mickey and the Mcbryans. Buffalo Joe is a legend.✈✈✈✈✈✈✈✈
DC-10? Not Quite. Though I would like to have seen a pre jet-age DC-10 fight in WWII! This must be pretty old as the Douglas 4-Props are no longer part of Buffalo's fleet. Pilot Justin Simle now flies for Landa Aviation in Yellowknife.
"But everything is not right" genius reality TV VO there. Also like that they put all the drama about them not landing in the fog. all of them probably agree that was the right thing to do.
That's rite! A DC-10 has 4 radial engines...2 on each wing....and the DC-4 has 3 Jet Engines...one on each wing, and one mounted in the tail....just in case your wondering! 😀
Be safe as always, I know it's frustrating for the people waiting ,but I know they would rather have u arrive alive ,blessings to you alll and your pets!! Ohh wrong plane buddy ...lol don't worry half the time I forgot my name...
great series there's something magically ironic about the fact that a bunch of 20 something pilots are flying these 80 year old aircraft...just as they were when the planes were new
If only they had enough frost-fighter machines, the delay wouldn't be that long. But people who work and live up there in the extreme north are simply extra-ordinary people. 👍 for them.
Amazing old school compagny.. I just wonder do they really have any competition up there ? they certainly deserved some more profit margin on that trip.
Yea there's a proviso to adding gas n oil to the R2000. But no,I couldn't work there,too darn cold...and to Joe as the boss..probably punch it out in the hangar! Better to just go elsewhere n work...
@@johnschroeder7528 NAF Northern Air Fuel, still owned by NAC, flying out of FAI, been to Kotz a few times. Also worked for Frontier throughout the 90's as a mechanic, one of our 1900's blew an engine one time in Kotzebue. My old ride was N7780B, which was Howard Hughes old airplane, which NAC found in a Hangar back in the 70's it had 300 hours on it, never used as an airliner.
If Mikey sees this: I think you guys should be using checklists and have no go and go items at least add them to the current checklists of the airplane
Interesting coincidence...my father flew the C-46 in WWII, the China-Burma HUMP (50% loss rate on some missions due to weather) then after the war flew DC-4, DC-6's and retired on the DC-10.
i want to know what joe's thoughs are on the fact they took gas instead of the heater. because of the fuel shortage, did the crew think about the fuel more than the cold? if they didn't bring the gas would they have made it?
You guys should get Lockheed Martin P-3's. They're being phrased out of service and being replaced with the Boeing P-8. I liked them for their reliability.
all nice but one question do you know the difference between a dc-7 and a dc-10? ones a prop plane four-engine the others a three-engine passenger jet?
DC10? I wonder about WONDER! These are DC3's [2 engines] & DC4's [4 engines]. The video states these planes are from WWII before the jet age. The DC10 is a tri engine jet airplane ✈! Great 👍 video though!
I notice this is episodes of ICE Pilots, I actually used to watch this show when I found it on netflix, but I notice some of the people that were in the seasons I seen aren't in these here. Is this show still on the air somewhere or something?
The native communities who rely so much on their airstrip for transport and medevac, should all have a hangar built to shelter the planes when needed. It would also double well as a gym for basketball, volleyball, soccer etc. It could also be used as a theater or community dinner.
having hangar is not a problem. Heating it (and keeping it warm) in - 40 would be, however, very difficult if not impossible. Arctic buildings are small on purpose and well insulated. Hangars are neither of these
Would it not be easier do get a oil circuit going to heat it? In some rally’s they take the oil outta engine to warm it up. But i don’t know how good that would work with how many liters of oil per engine?
In my opinion safety first joe it’s a pig 🐷 the pilot do a excellent job very professional taking care of the engines with no sleep and delivery the cargo safely
It takes Balls to work in -40 Day in Day out & I take my Hat off to all the Employees Men & Women alike, you have to be made of sterner stuff to live & work in that environment. I used to work for a Boss like Joe & I had a lot of respect for him & his Wife.
RE: Whale Cove, the definition of independence means not relying on anyone or anything outside of your immediate group for survival. Unless the community of Whale Cove can "make their own electricity" they are NOT independent. They depend upon a generator, probably gas fueled; the requires "planes" to bring in supplies of fuel, just like this mission is bringing in a back up generator. They might be independent of needing food supplies and other items--as perhaps they hunt and live as their ancestors did off the land. However, they have adapted to using electricity, which is artificially provided by technology not sustainable by ancient ways. They depend upon the outside world to sustain their electricity for cooking, lights and heat. I imagine this is so, because they are no longer allowed to hunt their traditional whales that would give them blubber which would otherwise fuel their homes for these needed necessaries. So I imagine that this was the trade off. The end result, making them dependent upon modern society. How sad. Had other cultures that do not need whales for their food and such left the whales alone, there would not be a problem of whales needing protection and going extinct.
DC-10? Flew those and they sat higher off the ground. I was also a wrench on these old bastards and I can't believe he didn't frost the plugs on that first cold start attempt.
Ok, too much drama, not enough preplanning, not the best planes to use during the winter. Too much mayhem!!!!! Too many issues with each episode, not enough contingency plans. Great crews doing the best they can!!!!
I did not realize that a DC-10 had four props. Learn something every day.
DC-4. DC-10 is quite a lot newer (1970s) and has 3x turbojet engines.
@@jonk6834he knows just being sarcastic lol
@@jonk6834 Turbofan*
Same
Justin is the one guy who has been amazing throughout this whole series. MUCH respect!
Yeah. Cool headed dude. Must have low blood pressure. I can't imagine an
accident, being stranded in icy terrain. That job is certainly not for many.
DC-10! Lol! DC-4 you doughnuts.
DC-6
@@TheAdrianLahoda douglas DC-4 is written on both sides in the front of the plane.
Well said!
Yip, I was wondering how jet engines look like piston engines!
Soon as I saw the plane I'm saying, that ain't no DC10. Not with those pist9n engines.
I stand in awe of a crew that can keep piston aircraft flying in nearly intolerable weather conditions. I've worked on aircraft outside in +20 degree weather and it's miserable. I can't believe these guys working in -40 degree weather with wind. I shiver just thinking about it.
Sometimes it's rough just working on my car in 20 or 30 degree weather . 40 below with wind is brutal. Any exposed skin will be frostbitten within seconds.
One big reason these older planes keep going is they are not pressurized. Fuselages of newer planes (like the electra, and their new 737) will stretch and contract from this. That means metal fatigue, and a shorter life span for the airplane.
The sound of those enormous twin Wasp radial engines; awesome. Flying in harsh winter conditions, amazing! This is extreme work.
When I was a kid I was not far from 2 major NYC airports. I still remember the sight and sound of those Constellations, DC6's, etc. rumbling overhead as they arrived and departed the major airports. It was awesome.
Not sure how recent this episode is, however Justin displayed great leadership in a difficult situation and finished the mission. I particularly liked the way he spoke to an engine when it started, many would not understand that.
I flew piston twins in WV commercially as a pilot for a coal company and a co-pilot for a law firm. Never ignore a woman or a piston engine. Talk to them, all the time, waking them up, cruising with them, “landing” and most of all when they want to get difficult! “Come on baby…..let’s go home!” Stuff like that. My practice was to work with my mechanics as much as possible to learn as much as possible about them. You learn the sound when they are humming along and when things just don’t sound right. Especially starting, you sort of have to “wake them up” but then the oil starts flowing and everything gets happy in there and you know it’s gonna be a good day, hopefully.
@@UncaDave I remember reading about the Russians Pilots putting Av Gas in their oil sump to Prevent the Oil from Freezing up during the cold nights which the German air Force then copied after learning it from captured Russian pilots, apparently when the engine restarts the Gas would evaporate and the engine would be ok. I thought they'd be using something similar by now? like I put cetane in my VW diesel fuel to prevent it from gelling up also in big rig trucks I'm a trucker.
@@michaelsamuel9917 Plus now days we have sump heaters and some people can install a device that pressurizes the oil in the engine to get it everywhere before a start. Of course it only works best when the oil is either heated or at temp that allows flow. When it was 40 degrees or colder I used a Dragon propane heater to warm my engine up and even in the cockpit on the avionics in a more reduced way.
Yes, the ice pilots up there might as well be at the Russian front so to speak!
Imagine if they had extended a fraction of the effort on the first night to ensure the heaters were still working.
This is not a DC-10 aircraft, it is a DC-4 ✈️.
Right?! was thinking the same thing but I came into the video thinking they just used the wrong thumbnail lol
How could they make such a mistake in identifying the aircraft, especially after placing its design back to the Second World War? (A period not known for the widespread use of jet planes.)
Yup, DC-10 has 3 jet engines from the 1970s/ 1980s era. The first plane I flew on as a kid to go to Disney World. Similar to Lockheed L-1011 with a 3rd jet engine under the rudder.
@@ShaunsCentral-Maine The very first airplane that I flew on was a Cessna but, the first passenger jet I flew on was a Stretch(ed DC)8. I crossed the Atlantic in that Stretch-8 but back then (1968) the plane couldn't carry enough fuel for the entire crossing so, going and returning required a refuelling stop in Iceland. As luck would have it, both crossings landed in Iceland at night in a pea soup fog so all I saw of the country was a dinky little terminal building. Bummer.
Yeah, you're right, she's a DC-4
Wow! My respect to yours, guys!
I used to work as a ground crew on An-24, 26 and 32 in the Siberia. We had a turboprops but the sceens looked very similar. Winter is a awful time.
I love the winter. But it still ain't fun when it's 40 or 50 below zero + high winds and you have to stand outside trying to troubleshoot an aircraft engine in that level of bitter cold.
Nicely put. Ignorance is not bliss.
While Joe definitely shows his temper, unless you’ve traveled extensively in these areas (including Nome AK during the endless night winter with -40 temps - I have multiple times alone as a paraplegic), it’s impossible to comprehend the severity of their endless challenges. Add to this, an antique fleet, I’m still blown away by his employees that make their trips safely.
CONGRATULATIONS....You've just shown the entire world that you have absolutely no clue what a DC-10 is...perhaps you can have an encore where you tell people a Dodge Dart is a Cadillac?
Why are you so mad about it? Go outside or something
hey hey hey my grandma haulad a trailer with a 4 cylinder dart...... and had a rv w a organ in side..
You mean a Dodge Dart is not a Cadillac? I feel betrayed.
I thought Joe would lose it on Justin but he handled it well-I've grown to respect him. Not sure why Justin couldn't take both the fuel and the 'Herman-Ellison' heater...still their tactic worked. Definitely not an easy job-they went through hell, keeping the engines warm overnight. Chuck is right, Buffalo is tougher than the military.
During WWII on the Eastern Front the Russian and German pilots would add gasoline to the engine oil prior to shutting the engines down. This thinned out the oil so the engines would start on the cold mornings, then when the oil heated up the gasoline would evaporate and the oil would return to its proper viscosity.
USAF T-28B I flew had oil dilution. Never used it, flying in Florida.
CRAZY pilots and guys but so fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!exceptional people with enormous courage.
Thank you for putting all these up!!!
Thanks for the uploads. Love this show. ❤️❤️❤️
This is very interesting -those freezing conditions and short days . Great piece
Where can I get one of these Herman Nelson's? I feel like I need one although I don't have an airplane and I'm not north enough to use celsius.
That's a DC-4 (as mentioned in the episode). Not a DC-10 trijet.
Dam I never knew DC-10s looked like that?? Amazing machines those DC-3s and DC-4s. Buffalo airways is awesome!! I Love Joe & Mickey and the Mcbryans. Buffalo Joe is a legend.✈✈✈✈✈✈✈✈
Its a dc-6 im pretty sure
Wow...just never get tired of this....
these videos are the highlight to my day :D
AWESOME video series!
This channel has some EXCELLENT content on it!
I watch the ice pilots series! It’s all about Buffalo Airways
Justin 10-4 keep up the great work all you guys.
Finally new season 👏👏 thanks wonder for keep uploading you guys are awesome 😎
DC-10? Not Quite. Though I would like to have seen a pre jet-age DC-10 fight in WWII! This must be pretty old as the Douglas 4-Props are no longer part of Buffalo's fleet.
Pilot Justin Simle now flies for Landa Aviation in Yellowknife.
I heard Justin left buffalo to start his own airline. Don't know if landa is his own but it's nice to hear he's doing good 🙂
Thank you for not waiting for us to wait for another season
"But everything is not right" genius reality TV VO there. Also like that they put all the drama about them not landing in the fog. all of them probably agree that was the right thing to do.
That's rite! A DC-10 has 4 radial engines...2 on each wing....and the DC-4 has 3 Jet Engines...one on each wing, and one mounted in the tail....just in case your wondering! 😀
this show is so great thank you
Be safe as always, I know it's frustrating for the people waiting ,but I know they would rather have u arrive alive ,blessings to you alll and your pets!! Ohh wrong plane buddy ...lol don't worry half the time I forgot my name...
great series there's something magically ironic about the fact that a bunch of 20 something pilots are flying these 80 year old aircraft...just as they were when the planes were new
These airplanes are like their owners old and stubborn but willing to get the job done
If only they had enough frost-fighter machines, the delay wouldn't be that long. But people who work and live up there in the extreme north are simply extra-ordinary people. 👍 for them.
Amazing old school compagny.. I just wonder do they really have any competition up there ? they certainly deserved some more profit margin on that trip.
Been waiting all week for this
Dc10......mite as well have said 737.....anyways I'm glad there is a new vid.
I just 💘 love this chanel.
Yea there's a proviso to adding gas n oil to the R2000.
But no,I couldn't work there,too darn cold...and to Joe as the boss..probably punch it out in the hangar! Better to just go elsewhere n work...
My favorite channel I love ❤
Coming from an old DC-6 flight Engineer, the weight of a Herman Nelson heater is basically negligible to the DC-4 aircraft.
Looking at your avatar, You flew for NAC? I flew out of OTZ for a few years.
@@johnschroeder7528 NAF Northern Air Fuel, still owned by NAC, flying out of FAI, been to Kotz a few times. Also worked for Frontier throughout the 90's as a mechanic, one of our 1900's blew an engine one time in Kotzebue. My old ride was N7780B, which was Howard Hughes old airplane, which NAC found in a Hangar back in the 70's it had 300 hours on it, never used as an airliner.
If Mikey sees this: I think you guys should be using checklists and have no go and go items at least add them to the current checklists of the airplane
Hey Joe how about a Herman nelson as standard on all planes?
this is a neat little show!
Interesting coincidence...my father flew the C-46 in WWII, the China-Burma HUMP (50% loss rate on some missions due to weather) then after the war flew DC-4, DC-6's and retired on the DC-10.
This seems interesting
💯 respect for Buffalo Joe Mcbride..
Are these new shows or reruns from back in the day?
I sure don’t regret leaving the arctic, sick n tired of being cold constantly.
This is not a DC10 :D The DC10 is a 3 Engine Jet Aircraft! Looks more like a DC4
The twin engine ones are DC3 / Dakota and the 4 engine ones are DC4 or /Northstar aircraft
love joes dresscode ive been a copicatt for years
i want to know what joe's thoughs are on the fact they took gas instead of the heater. because of the fuel shortage, did the crew think about the fuel more than the cold? if they didn't bring the gas would they have made it?
i LOVED this show
Dc 4 amazing machine still flying.
Awesome 👍👍👍
You guys should get Lockheed Martin P-3's. They're being phrased out of service and being replaced with the Boeing P-8. I liked them for their reliability.
Buffalo has 2 Lockheed Electras. How much difference is there between those and a P-3 Orion?
Isnt this DC3 ? DC10 is the Trijet :)
Yup there is an error in the title I think
DC 4
@@walmzer damm were is my brain you’re right
@@walmzer yes correct, although the initial aircrafts in frame were DC 3 but the main documentary was about DC 4 .
all nice but one question do you know the difference between a dc-7 and a dc-10? ones a prop plane four-engine the others a three-engine passenger jet?
Bruh that's a dc-4 not a dc-10, not even close
School this human being..lol
Not the first time they said a dc-4 was a dc-10
Looking for the 3 jet engines.
18:00 One of those times the crew wished they already obtained the DC-6/Swingtail 6 at that point.
DC10? I wonder about WONDER! These are DC3's [2 engines] & DC4's [4 engines]. The video states these planes are from WWII before the jet age. The DC10 is a tri engine jet airplane ✈! Great 👍 video though!
I notice this is episodes of ICE Pilots, I actually used to watch this show when I found it on netflix, but I notice some of the people that were in the seasons I seen aren't in these here. Is this show still on the air somewhere or something?
The native communities who rely so much on their airstrip for transport and medevac, should all have a hangar built to shelter the planes when needed. It would also double well as a gym for basketball, volleyball, soccer etc. It could also be used as a theater or community dinner.
having hangar is not a problem. Heating it (and keeping it warm) in - 40 would be, however, very difficult if not impossible. Arctic buildings are small on purpose and well insulated. Hangars are neither of these
@@ztyy8185 The Buffalo hangar in Yellowknife, is not heated?
Is this the new DC-10?
What year is it up there all you guys do is struggle
Would it not be easier do get a oil circuit going to heat it? In some rally’s they take the oil outta engine to warm it up.
But i don’t know how good that would work with how many liters of oil per engine?
And you stayed up all night to make sure the engines stayed warm!! They were you life blood!!!
That ‘s Rock’n Roll.
In my opinion safety first joe it’s a pig 🐷 the pilot do a excellent job very professional taking care of the engines with no sleep and delivery the cargo safely
Avgas, is not obsolete. General aviation, runs on it!
I thought hot weather flying was bad, but this sucks xD
Can someone please tell me where the DC-10 is? 🤷♂️
Why does the header say DC 10 ??
Last time I checked, DC-10s don't have propellers.
Great story.....Burrrrr!
Funny looking "DC-10", with four propellers.
It is a good job that the engines are air cold otherwise they would have antifreeze problems
great!
Where's the DC-10?.... I think you have your aircraft mixed up champ.
Man dude this is clearly an A340, not a DC-10.
Please, this is clearly a comac c919.
@@andrewthomson DC
Funniest looking DC10 i ever saw😀
It's just a DC4 with the ❤ of a DC10!
Ive only known -4 -40 must be frigging cold .............
It takes Balls to work in -40 Day in Day out & I take my Hat off to all the Employees Men & Women alike, you have to be made of sterner stuff to live & work in that environment. I used to work for a Boss like Joe & I had a lot of respect for him & his Wife.
They have a DC-10?
Not yet. Later thegg y change to some jet engines upon conversion.
Where are the Season/Episode numbers?
One undred gallon per 10 min ?? Probably. Suks gas like crazy
RE: Whale Cove, the definition of independence means not relying on anyone or anything outside of your immediate group for survival. Unless the community of Whale Cove can "make their own electricity" they are NOT independent. They depend upon a generator, probably gas fueled; the requires "planes" to bring in supplies of fuel, just like this mission is bringing in a back up generator. They might be independent of needing food supplies and other items--as perhaps they hunt and live as their ancestors did off the land. However, they have adapted to using electricity, which is artificially provided by technology not sustainable by ancient ways. They depend upon the outside world to sustain their electricity for cooking, lights and heat.
I imagine this is so, because they are no longer allowed to hunt their traditional whales that would give them blubber which would otherwise fuel their homes for these needed necessaries. So I imagine that this was the trade off. The end result, making them dependent upon modern society. How sad. Had other cultures that do not need whales for their food and such left the whales alone, there would not be a problem of whales needing protection and going extinct.
DC-10? Flew those and they sat higher off the ground. I was also a wrench on these old bastards and I can't believe he didn't frost the plugs on that first cold start attempt.
Isn’t this the first series from years ago ??
What the heck happened at 18:28?
Could it be a DC-6 ?
DC4 or DC10??
You better get it right , we are talking over 60 years apart , DC-4 !
Ok, too much drama, not enough preplanning, not the best planes to use during the winter. Too much mayhem!!!!! Too many issues with each episode, not enough contingency plans.
Great crews doing the best they can!!!!
I don’t understand why anyone would want to live in a place that is so cold
Great