As a retired psychiatrist I met many Kelly's over the years. I have literally watched patients with stage 4 emphysema fully oxygen dependent have someone wheel them outside and smoke while on oxygen. Some people sadly are not destined to grow old and wise but needlessly die young regardless of everyone's efforts to help them. Part of it is this denial mechanism that they have lived through so many close call because of modern medicine that they'll get through this one too! They finally go into respiratory acidosis followed by a coma and respiratory arrest, and they's dead! Every pack of smokes per day will take about 10-15 years off your life. So two packs a day and your looking at 20-30 years off your life. Three packs your looking at 30-45 years off your life. So take someone like Kelly who's safely smoking at least two packs a day and is 30 years old and her cardiovascular system is that of a 50-60 year old. So they reach about 35 years old and their body functions like a 70 year old with a bad heart and lungs and they get pneumonia and die. It's stupid but they been told so many time they must stop smoking its like crying wolf to them and they just continue on in denial!
Always despised Ginelle after this episode. After all the love, care and help she had gotten from Kelly and crew, she knew quitting would potentially ruin Kelly's wedding but did it anyway. None of the love, care and help was returned. Utterly selfish and vindictive.
"We have to be careful in the tanks... Cant bring any thing electric in. Even a cellphone could ignite the fumes..." Dont pay attention to the cameras and lights we have running in there though. LOL
I remember Eastern Airline Electra's sitting on the ramp & taking off from the old Imeson Airport in Jacksonville, FL. Eastern flew every aircraft type under the Sun in the 1960's. It was a strange period when time "overlapped."
@David Evans I don't remember DC-3's but I do remember when "Convair-liners" made up the majority of commuter/local airline fleets. They flew well into the 1980's.
I just flew out of Yellowknife at that airport. I seen the Buffalo planes, I wish I could post pics. Headed to a diamond mine in Nunavut. It's bloody cold up here 🥶
Kelley, pls stop smoking so you can grow old with your soul mate. I hope your lungs are better, but smoking is a death sentence for you. Your fans don't want to lose you, gal !! God bless you and your man !!
Jeepers, a complex plane has been sitting idle for months, so you put a rookie mechanic to bring it back to flying condition, with a deadline, for a flight to the North Pole. Cutting it a little fine, eh?
WW2 plane. Did you even research this. A 50s plane was the US first turboprop built by Lockheed to compete with the English Viscount a extremely popular smaller Turboprop built in 1948 and purchased by PanAm and TWA. 444 Viscounts were sold to 55 airlines. The Electra only sold less then 200 as a few crashed before they found weaknesses that needed major rebuilds. The public lost confidence and the Jet age was upon us.
A big company like Buffalo Air does NOT have an emergency generator.? One should be invested in if you want to keep operating in troubling times such as we are having now.
These episodes are no newer than 2014. As old as 2009. So it’s been ~10 years since these were filmed. There is also entirely new management, and unfortunately Joe, Arnie, and Kelly have all passed away. Much has changed, but I’m sure by now they have an emergency generator.
Why not vent the tank with 10-12" fan and flexible hose pump fresh air in there same way sewers are done when men are underground or in mineshafts. flexible
Hiring a non aviation person as a general manager, who is not real familiar with the logistics of that part of the world, is never a good idea, and thats on Buffalo.
That's what small villages did up north. All water lines were above ground because of tundra shift and every house in town ran a 5/16" water line running into the sewage system 24/7 and the lines never froze. A friend of mine lived in Whitehorse, I think, for some years as a tech for CBC TV. He had one of those long snoot parkas. I asked him why they were like that and he told me it was to prewarm air coming into your lungs, so they wouldn't freeze. Huh...
I am amazed that Buffalo does not have a spreadsheet template that automatically calculates figures and acts as a checklist to ensure no line items are omitted for quoting purposes. A decent spreadsheet developer could turn something simple like that around in a day.
@@DKFuRUDEGO So? I could have built a spreadsheet in Lotus 1-2-3 or even one of the DOS spreadsheets of the 1980s when I first entered the workforce. I wasn't even trained on the damn things but work needs meant I very quickly learned how to use a spreadsheeet. No actual programming required. It would simply be a matter of establishing the variables, establishing default values per variable unit, entering the number of units (e.g. mileage, cost per gallong of fuel etc. plus any other considerations) and letting the spreadsheet add everything up, multiply everything through and display the quote. Really, really basic stuff.
@@DKFuRUDEGO The whole point of a spreadsheet is that it would list all the variables which need to be taken into consideration. It would be prepared as a template in advance with input from all relevant staff so that nothing is missed. Even better, it would be divided into the different operational sections such as accommodation; flying hours; fuel; maintenance, landing fees etc., etc. so that a quotation could be built up methodically and consistently. Of course people can skip bits of the spreadsheet but they would have to make a deliberate decision to do so as opposed to just not being aware there was anything to consider. Clearly you have never used spreadsheets or other templating documents within a business context. I would stop now if I were you.
lol you could go into the fuel tank with a lit blowtorch and have virtually ZERO chance of an explosion or even fire over the size of a dime. an electrical shock or short would also do absolutely nothing. Just one of the reasons Diesel and Jet-A are the ultimate fuel, really.
So let me get this right? You have a multimillion dollar business with a huge infrastructure in a place where it "Routinely " gets into extreme cold temperatures of as much as 40-50 degrees below zero. A questionable power grid apparently known for sudden failures and a hanger where ruptured pipes can cause tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars damage. I would think that common sense would dictate the procurement or invest of a substantial turbo Diesel generator like 500k and a diesel high BTU emergency furnace that can keep that hanger at least +40f not to mention a ll the of offices, waiting rooms
They are way understaffed in the "courier/mail/package department! They two managers: One to manage the mail, one to manage food deliveries and one to manage package deliveries, THEN they need people who will work on "bundling packages for delivery--managers should not be doing this part of the job. They should not be loading and unloading stuff, this IS the stuff the RAMPIES should be doing. THEN in place of the RAMPIES there should be "personnel who specifically service the planes"--designated pilots--who are learning, should be spending their time on simulators and reading and learning about weather and learning about their planes and maybe evening shadowing maintenance around. If I were in charge of the business, this is what I would do. Adding more employees, would probably grow the business, instead of keeping less employees and working them to death, which is probably stunting the business. Mangers of each category would have more time to "drum up" more business in each of their respective categories, and make out there out schedules of each department and lists of where things go, etc. It would be less chaotic and less toxic. Sometimes part of the investment in a business means investing in more workers!
electras are quite amazing aircraft but to say there modern?! really we are of an age where modern commercial aircraft fly with computers the cockpit is entirely or mostly made of screens and in the case of airbus the sidestick (that i love and fly with) looks like a video game controller. the elctra is now just as old and ancient in tech as a DC3
???? Not true at all. They are still flying in the form of Orion P-3's world wide and have been routinely updated. The U.S. Navy only recently replaced them with a 737 variant.
High-tech stuff doesn't handle arctic-level cold very well. Even something as simple as remote car starters don't work well at 40 below zero. Makes you wonder what NASA uses for space probes, though there they actually include little radioisotope thermal units to provide some heat.
If power is that critical, there is a 40,000 Kw trailer mounted backup power plant that contains 1700 litres of fuel. It can run almost 30 days on full capacity. And has 110v, 220v single and 3 phase, 440v 3 phase and 1000v 3 phase outlets.
Isn't it odd to spend all that money to produce a TV show. That makes a company look so unprofessional, incompetent, dysfunctional and toxic. Is this really what they had in mind?
If he's in a fuel tank, on oxygen, why not pump an inert gas into the tank? Nullify the chance of an ignition of the fumes. Inert gas can be as simple as CO , or any other inert gas.
@Bubba Bubbinski Not sure what he was on. In one sceene he's wearing a filter mask, in another a full face mask which could be a filter or an actual breather (like SCUBA or fire fighters). In any case, he would be breathing air, not oxygen. In D-Check, we used a small air blower to de-fume whichever of the 7 fuel tanks in the Phantoms spine that required work. Nasty smelly and hot job.
@@billquillin1952 not by very much, the only differences being that turboprops are unducted, have a reduction gearbox, and have reversible pitch blades; these differences are becoming increasingly blurred with turbofans, considering P&W's Geared Turbofan, and the most advanced version of the Rolls-Royce UltraFan.
Excellent series, BUT I was always taught that the start sequence for a 4 engine aircraft is always 3 4 2 1 for safety, I.e start the inboards first, if you start the outboards first and then get an engine fire on an inboard engine then you have to run through a spinning prop to extinguish it ! Buffalo start both the D C 4 and the Electra outboards first ! Why is this ?
Did not realize this was about a TV show....Thought it was about Real Stuff, Real airplanes Real crews, Real Pilots ......Not BS ...Worst Channel ever...Totally click bait....Should rename the channel ...bye bye
@@philnaegely Its totally scripted. The airline and people are real. BUT the beef they have and the "problems" they encounter are all fabricated. Basically they would fake real problems that they had encountered over the years. Think about it. When they have to make a surprise emergency landing at a remote un manned air strip 150 KM off course but there is a film crew waiting to film the landing? And film them taking off after they "fix" the problem. I like the show because I love vintage aircraft and Joe is a character. But its fake.
RIP Kelly darling. Glad your man made you happy x
What are you talking about?
Hi. What exactly happened to Kelly? How did she die?
@@Jay-Leigh863 She had emphysema but couldn't kick a smoking habit she had as a way to cope with stress at Buffalo.
Clowns like Dwayne can destroy companies. Treat good people like robots and they leave.
I got a bad vibe from him the first time I saw these episodes.
Got the DVD set of Ice Pilots, seen the whole series twice and will be up for a third, great series
Far too addicted to this show and I’m not upset.
The saddest thing is that unfortunately poor Kelly passed away a few years ago. RIP.
:(
As a retired psychiatrist I met many Kelly's over the years. I have literally watched patients with stage 4 emphysema fully oxygen dependent have someone wheel them outside and smoke while on oxygen. Some people sadly are not destined to grow old and wise but needlessly die young regardless of everyone's efforts to help them. Part of it is this denial mechanism that they have lived through so many close call because of modern medicine that they'll get through this one too! They finally go into respiratory acidosis followed by a coma and respiratory arrest, and they's dead! Every pack of smokes per day will take about 10-15 years off your life. So two packs a day and your looking at 20-30 years off your life. Three packs your looking at 30-45 years off your life. So take someone like Kelly who's safely smoking at least two packs a day and is 30 years old and her cardiovascular system is that of a 50-60 year old. So they reach about 35 years old and their body functions like a 70 year old with a bad heart and lungs and they get pneumonia and die. It's stupid but they been told so many time they must stop smoking its like crying wolf to them and they just continue on in denial!
We should have got this last week. Last week you uploaded and episode you had already put up on your channel we deserve another episode!
considering they dont even have the rights to be posting them, just thank your self lucky you get anything....
Loyalty is a funny thing. Some never develope a sense of it to either their employer or family members.
Rob's baby daughter is now 14 years old. Time flies for sure
Rod ,,,
Always despised Ginelle after this episode. After all the love, care and help she had gotten from Kelly and crew, she knew quitting would potentially ruin Kelly's wedding but did it anyway. None of the love, care and help was returned. Utterly selfish and vindictive.
i love Rays enthusiasm!
"We have to be careful in the tanks... Cant bring any thing electric in. Even a cellphone could ignite the fumes..." Dont pay attention to the cameras and lights we have running in there though. LOL
Kerosene is not as dangerous as gasoline - these TV people are dumb!!!
Probably used go pros or something similar that is in an air tight case
Flash lights can give spark also
I remember Eastern Airline Electra's sitting on the ramp & taking off from the old Imeson Airport in Jacksonville, FL. Eastern flew every aircraft type under the Sun in the 1960's. It was a strange period when time "overlapped."
@David Evans I don't remember DC-3's but I do remember when "Convair-liners" made up the majority of commuter/local airline fleets. They flew well into the 1980's.
@David Evans Yes Yes PIEDMONT. I would fly from worcester mass to asheville NC all the time to visit my farther. 60s and 70s.
Real adventure scene love it 🥰.
I just flew out of Yellowknife at that airport. I seen the Buffalo planes, I wish I could post pics. Headed to a diamond mine in Nunavut. It's bloody cold up here 🥶
hi
@@titanicbigship Greetings 😉 it's a balmy -32* C today in Goose Lake, Nunavut.
Cheers!
@@brentlawrence1553 in Yellowknife we got - 12
I used to live in Toronto and it was freezing during the winter. I can't imagine how it is there.
wish your grammar was better, maybe the cold will help?
It would be great if this series is available for purchase on DVD!
Dvds are available on Amazon and all the seasons are also on Amazon prime video
People still use DVDs?
No back up gen. Gr8 move Joe. Backwards co. like the Co. I work for.
Nothing is business as usual in Buffalo Airways!
Congratulations Kelly. Best of wishes for the 2 of you.
I don't care what anyone says about Joe the man has a big heart and knows what really matters.
She died quite awhile ago.
The pipes should have been drained the moment the power went out.
Or kept running water through them
Amazing videos wonder. Keep up the amazing work.
Kelly I weep for you....RIP
Kelley, pls stop smoking so you can grow old with your soul mate. I hope your lungs are better, but smoking is a death sentence for you. Your fans don't want to lose you, gal !! God bless you and your man !!
Unfortunately Kelly passed away in 2017
All ready said Duane needed to be fired
Jeepers, a complex plane has been sitting idle for months, so you put a rookie mechanic to bring it back to flying condition, with a deadline, for a flight to the North Pole. Cutting it a little fine, eh?
Kelly congratulation I’m so happy for you I wish you all the best
Who are you talking to?
@@Jan-ct7ih What? You didn't watched this video?
@@KanadeTachibanaBlackMidi you're congratuling to death person?
@@Jan-ct7ih There was no mentioning of death of this person in this video. Can you give me the source for that?
@@KanadeTachibanaBlackMidi you've watch 13year old video..
WW2 plane. Did you even research this. A 50s plane was the US first turboprop built by Lockheed to compete with the English Viscount a extremely popular smaller Turboprop built in 1948 and purchased by PanAm and TWA. 444 Viscounts were sold to 55 airlines. The Electra only sold less then 200 as a few crashed before they found weaknesses that needed major rebuilds. The public lost confidence and the Jet age was upon us.
I think it is preferring to the DC3 and DC4.
I was understanding electrical power is the way to go. What could possibly go wrong? Is this issue the future?
A big company like Buffalo Air does NOT have an emergency generator.? One should be invested in if you want to keep operating in troubling times such as we are having now.
These episodes are no newer than 2014. As old as 2009. So it’s been ~10 years since these were filmed. There is also entirely new management, and unfortunately Joe, Arnie, and Kelly have all passed away.
Much has changed, but I’m sure by now they have an emergency generator.
@@Kelbo77 when did joe die?
Mikey has never "pulled up his soaks and went to work" The guy gets winded taking a dump!
What happened to season 3 episode 5 that was supposed to have been uploaded last week?? This is episode 6!
PLS MAKE VIDEO ON CHINAEASTERN AIRLINES CRASH 😞😞😞
Fantastic....
Why not vent the tank with 10-12" fan and flexible hose pump fresh air in there same way sewers are done when men are underground or in mineshafts. flexible
Mourning becomes the Electra.
That old girl looks real good in the air.
They should get an oil based broiler using heat-transfer oil, Doesn't freeze.
Hiring a non aviation person as a general manager, who is not real familiar with the logistics of that part of the world, is never a good idea, and thats on Buffalo.
Like a fish on a broom.
Have you considered the Convair 580?
Run a faucet slowly and the moving water shouldn't freeze
That's what small villages did up north. All water lines were above ground because of tundra shift and every house in town ran a 5/16" water line running into the sewage system 24/7 and the lines never froze. A friend of mine lived in Whitehorse, I think, for some years as a tech for CBC TV. He had one of those long snoot parkas. I asked him why they were like that and he told me it was to prewarm air coming into your lungs, so they wouldn't freeze. Huh...
I am amazed that Buffalo does not have a spreadsheet template that automatically calculates figures and acts as a checklist to ensure no line items are omitted for quoting purposes. A decent spreadsheet developer could turn something simple like that around in a day.
Remember this is recorded and first aired around 2008-2009
@@DKFuRUDEGO So? I could have built a spreadsheet in Lotus 1-2-3 or even one of the DOS spreadsheets of the 1980s when I first entered the workforce. I wasn't even trained on the damn things but work needs meant I very quickly learned how to use a spreadsheeet. No actual programming required. It would simply be a matter of establishing the variables, establishing default values per variable unit, entering the number of units (e.g. mileage, cost per gallong of fuel etc. plus any other considerations) and letting the spreadsheet add everything up, multiply everything through and display the quote.
Really, really basic stuff.
@@thomasm1964 and that would not change anything if clearly as you can see there is human error in place, and no spreadsheet can accomodate for that
@@DKFuRUDEGO The whole point of a spreadsheet is that it would list all the variables which need to be taken into consideration. It would be prepared as a template in advance with input from all relevant staff so that nothing is missed.
Even better, it would be divided into the different operational sections such as accommodation; flying hours; fuel; maintenance, landing fees etc., etc. so that a quotation could be built up methodically and consistently.
Of course people can skip bits of the spreadsheet but they would have to make a deliberate decision to do so as opposed to just not being aware there was anything to consider.
Clearly you have never used spreadsheets or other templating documents within a business context. I would stop now if I were you.
@@thomasm1964 XD any other interesting news about spreadsheets I need to know?
No such things as notice periods up there? Like people just up and go whenever they feel like it lol.
Wait...where did I miss Justin getting the CP job after Arnie left??
I would never ride on one of their plains
lol you could go into the fuel tank with a lit blowtorch and have virtually ZERO chance of an explosion or even fire over the size of a dime. an electrical shock or short would also do absolutely nothing. Just one of the reasons Diesel and Jet-A are the ultimate fuel, really.
fine old plane !
So let me get this right? You have a multimillion dollar business with a huge infrastructure in a place where it "Routinely " gets into extreme cold temperatures of as much as 40-50 degrees below zero. A questionable power grid apparently known for sudden failures and a hanger where ruptured pipes can cause tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars damage. I would think that common sense would dictate the procurement or invest of a substantial turbo Diesel generator like 500k and a diesel high BTU emergency furnace that can keep that hanger at least +40f not to mention a ll the of offices, waiting rooms
They are way understaffed in the "courier/mail/package department! They two managers: One to manage the mail, one to manage food deliveries and one to manage package deliveries, THEN they need people who will work on "bundling packages for delivery--managers should not be doing this part of the job. They should not be loading and unloading stuff, this IS the stuff the RAMPIES should be doing. THEN in place of the RAMPIES there should be "personnel who specifically service the planes"--designated pilots--who are learning, should be spending their time on simulators and reading and learning about weather and learning about their planes and maybe evening shadowing maintenance around. If I were in charge of the business, this is what I would do. Adding more employees, would probably grow the business, instead of keeping less employees and working them to death, which is probably stunting the business.
Mangers of each category would have more time to "drum up" more business in each of their respective categories, and make out there out schedules of each department and lists of where things go, etc. It would be less chaotic and less toxic. Sometimes part of the investment in a business means investing in more workers!
electras are quite amazing aircraft but to say there modern?! really we are of an age where modern commercial aircraft fly with computers the cockpit is entirely or mostly made of screens and in the case of airbus the sidestick (that i love and fly with) looks like a video game controller. the elctra is now just as old and ancient in tech as a DC3
thaTS WHY IT FLIES. TECH IS UNRELIABLE .
???? Not true at all. They are still flying in the form of Orion P-3's world wide and have been routinely updated. The U.S. Navy only recently replaced them with a 737 variant.
High-tech stuff doesn't handle arctic-level cold very well. Even something as simple as remote car starters don't work well at 40 below zero.
Makes you wonder what NASA uses for space probes, though there they actually include little radioisotope thermal units to provide some heat.
A 440,000 BTU HN heater can heat a lot of space. Didn't they have any up there?
If power is that critical, there is a 40,000 Kw trailer mounted backup power plant that contains 1700 litres of fuel. It can run almost 30 days on full capacity. And has 110v, 220v single and 3 phase, 440v 3 phase and 1000v 3 phase outlets.
Please do modern day accidents, these old ones back to back are annoying.
24:11 jeeeze 😥
Isn't it odd to spend all that money to produce a TV show. That makes a company look so unprofessional, incompetent, dysfunctional and toxic. Is this really what they had in mind?
If he's in a fuel tank, on oxygen, why not pump an inert gas into the tank? Nullify the chance of an ignition of the fumes. Inert gas can be as simple as CO , or any other inert gas.
@Bubba Bubbinski Not sure what he was on. In one sceene he's wearing a filter mask, in another a full face mask which could be a filter or an actual breather (like SCUBA or fire fighters).
In any case, he would be breathing air, not oxygen. In D-Check, we used a small air blower to de-fume whichever of the 7 fuel tanks in the Phantoms spine that required work. Nasty smelly and hot job.
Thats carbon monoxide. Co2 is carbon dioxide. Check.
@@sharoncassell9358 my bad, missed the 2. Thanks. Also, argon or nitrogen could be used as an inert gas in a fuel tank.
@@BubbaBubbinski Argon is a no no due to cost. For inert atmospheres, nitrogen is typically used because of its low cost.
@@trespire Agreed. We use nitrogen on site for stainless steel welding.
The Electra pilot looks like John Goodman 😂👍
Or Joff Badwomen
All good workers are going to leave.
Let see those who became trap to this channel like me
here
Tank entry is risky like that. I did not see any air movers. You do not use oxygen very risky.
put down the "smokes" Kelly...
That's not a jet. It's a Turboprop.
Lol what do you think powers the propellers?
@@rafaelwilks I was working on jets before you were born.
@@billquillin1952 are turboprops gas-turbine-powered, or not?
@@rafaelwilks there is a difference between a Jet and a Turboprop. If you don't understand the difference, stay on the ground.
@@billquillin1952 not by very much, the only differences being that turboprops are unducted, have a reduction gearbox, and have reversible pitch blades; these differences are becoming increasingly blurred with turbofans, considering P&W's Geared Turbofan, and the most advanced version of the Rolls-Royce UltraFan.
It’s battery not bat-tree
MISTAKE No 1 T56 engine = 4,650.00 HP
Nope. Not on the civilian Electra. 4000 hp
I don't like people stealing from Ice Plans
they will buy the Boeing or Airbus aircrafts
Tiny spark its Jet A not auto gas
These are stolen videos
Come on...turn the facets on and keep the water moving so it don't freeze...! Then pay the water bill...it will buy you time...
In central heating?
Or if possible, shut the water off and drain the pipes.
Excellent series, BUT I was always taught that the start sequence for a 4 engine aircraft is always 3 4 2 1 for safety, I.e start the inboards first, if you start the outboards first and then get an engine fire on an inboard engine then you have to run through a spinning prop to extinguish it !
Buffalo start both the D C 4 and the Electra outboards first !
Why is this ?
Why would the inboard engines be on fire if you start the outboard first? I’m confused with your sentencing
the reality is shakespearean
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Manufactured drama, typical American theme.
Too much fake drama
Did not realize this was about a TV show....Thought it was about Real Stuff, Real airplanes Real crews, Real Pilots ......Not BS ...Worst Channel ever...Totally click bait....Should rename the channel ...bye bye
its not scripted
@@philnaegely Its totally scripted. The airline and people are real. BUT the beef they have and the "problems" they encounter are all fabricated. Basically they would fake real problems that they had encountered over the years. Think about it. When they have to make a surprise emergency landing at a remote un manned air strip 150 KM off course but there is a film crew waiting to film the landing? And film them taking off after they "fix" the problem. I like the show because I love vintage aircraft and Joe is a character. But its fake.
@@scottcol23 that's just mean
I bet Harold is a blast to hang with.