@@VirtualTamrielWarsalso it would be great if you pointed out key event of the campaign: decisive battles, behind the line operations or any important intervention.
@@Ennio444 Bo they aren't. Read the journal again, they deactivated him. They said he had nothing new so they let him go. What they didn't expect was a stormcloak victory.
Well the Northern front was obviously more important. Smoother terrain too. The harsher the terrain, the more advantage the rebels have in their native territory
This is basically how the Civil War would go without our involvement, the Stormcloacks would start strong because they have a home advantage and greater physical strength, but they’ll inevitably lose to the Imperial Legion, because none of that matters when faced with Battle Tactics, if the Legion can’t outmuscle the Stormcloaks they WILL outsmart them
"Battle Tactics" don't matter when you're overreaching and you're logistically exhausted, which is what the Stormcloaks could easily achieve with guerrilla tactics and a protracted guerrilla. The US had battle tactics in Vietnam, the Soviets in Afghanistan, and still they lost.
Unfortunately that wouldn’t apply here. Ulffrick is a tactical and strategic genius, capable of planning and executing brutal attacks with heavily outnumbered forces. There’s a reason why he was chosen to handle the Markarth Incident. The stormcloaks enjoy significant local support (more than the empire) and has much shorter supply chains. The empire on the other hand has minority support from local nords, the high queen is widely seen as illegitimate or a puppet, so they have to make up the difference with legionnaires; however, the empire can only spare a limited number of them and they do not know the lay of the land and have highly strained logistics. In game lore shows that Ulfrick had been hitting and devastating supply shipments for months , to great effect. More than likely had the Dragonborn nor the Thalmor (who wanted to prolong the war) intervened the Empire would either be forced to deploy additional legions to Skyrim jeopardizing its recovery and weakening its hold on other areas , or would be forced to retreat eventually. It’s just hard to beat someone with local support, similar tech, who already controls a massive amount of territory and is tactically brilliant. Plus most of the stormcloaks are former imperial soldiers who served in the Great War, so most are familiar with Imperial tactics.
@@RenegadeElite101 I'm sorry, but Ulfric is no tactical and strategic genius. The one canonical battle of the Civil War was the Battle of Darkwater Crossing, where Ulfric and all his men were lured into a picture perfect ambush which the Stormcloaks described as seeming like the Imperials knowing "exactly where they would be". Because they did. Tullius knew where they would be and arranged for their immediate transport to Helgen for summary execution. The Empire surrounds Ulfric and has far greater logistical and material resources than the Stormcloaks, perhaps not locally, but overall, and an intelligence network which has a near stranglehold on Skyrim. Every Stormcloak supporter is petrified of Imperial spies being everywhere, because they are. Also, Ulfric is in no way tactically brilliant. He's charismatic, but at the end of the day, is no more than a thug. Ulfric never won any wondrous victories against all odds, he used the voice. Even in the Great War, he still ended up in Thalmor imprisonment for most of the conflict, then after that and his actions at Markarth, he ended up in Imperial Prison for a long time. Ulfric is never shown to have displayed any degree of tactical brilliance. Even when his Civil War started, he made rapid early gains against his Nord militia opponents in the west, but once Tullius and the Fourth Imperial Legion arrived, the situation was turned around, leading, again, to the only canonical battle of the war, again, a crushing victory for Tullius. He is a figure of Nord nationalistic pride and has much greater charisma than the general and certainly has that in his favor, but has little to recommend him as a great general, at least over Tullius.
@@Ennio444 it's not just about battle tactics. It's about the fact that the Stormcloaks are almost universally petrified of how many Imperial Spies honeycomb the society of Stormcloak Skyrim. The Stormcloak Jarls, even Ulfric himself, will all tell you "Imperial Spies are Everywhere." What's more, this is also shown to be true. Imperial spies are everywhere.
Amusingly this kind of theater warfare wouldn't be possible or used like this. Traditional 'front-line', strategic warfare was only beginning to show itself in the Napoleonic era and most prior wars and battles are often singular, massive decisive battles using a small handful of large armies. There would likely be a lot more vast land swipes and carved passages of advance as smaller numbers of large armies invade territory and plunder the land before either retreating or being scattered by a counter attack. We don't see these smaller, gradual advances across an entire land until Industrialization and mass conscription of hundreds of thousands or millions of men.
Very true; I see each unit as more of a group of 4 or 5 soldiers and more so NPC type warfare. Just a bunch of dudes running around hoping to encounter something. A more realistic war in this timeframe would focus more on individual, decisive battles and masterful strategic plays. But map is map; map is pretty 😂
@@rjjacob101 , Cirodiil and High Rock is divided by Hammerfell. Hammerfell is not a part of Empire anymore. So Empire is forced to supply their forces through the sea, or by making an agreement with Hammerfell. But Empire leaved Hammerfell fighting with elfs alone. And achieving this agreement would be complicated for Empire.
Количество подразделений, их маневренность не похожа на ведение войны средних веков с душными осадами, генеральными сражениями Скорее похоже на маневренную как во вторую мировую, с котлами, прорывами, быстрыми таковыми и мотопехотными дивизиями
Medieval armies are more mobile than you seem to think. you appear to be Russian or Ukrainian and either way, your own history is pretty good evidence of how fast an army can move with primitive equipment. One of the weird things in the Skyrim game is the absolute lack of cavalry for example. Cavalry was the strength behind both the Mongol conquest of the Kyivan Russia and Muscovy's later expansion into the dominant position it has today. In such flat country cavalry can cover a lot of ground very quickly. And much of Skyrim, especially the Whiterun and Dawnstar plains, is good ground for horses. Ironically, it was the artillery that slowed modern armies down for the First World War. Armies required so much more equipment that it forced advances to slow down and not outrun their supply lines. That's what happened to General Samsonov at the Mazurian Lakes in 1914.. before that an army could cut loose from its supply lines and loot/plunder/"live off the land" and cover a dozen miles a day or more. That's what Samsonov was trying to do but it was an outdated idea by 1914 and the age of "war by train schedule"
@@hagamapamaя живу в России, родился в небольшом селе в Сибири, по соседству с нами жили украинцы, поляки, все они были у меня в роду, не люблю себя причислять к какой-то их этих нарооностей на 100% из-за разногласий, считаю себя просто славянином Ну ксати славянские армии были мобильными на как раз благодаря вполне нормальнму оборудованию, были проблемы на начальных этапах войны из-за того что страна не успела перестроиться так быстро на военный лад, но уже в 1942 все быстро начало меняться "броня наша крепка, танки наши быстры" , ну и вдобавок бились по большей части на своей родной земле, а с продвижением на земле Германии, немецкие партизаны и фолькштурм её создавали таких сильных проблем советской и польской армии Людова, что так же позволяло молниеносно наступать " Русские долго запрягают, да быстро едут"
Ну, а про конницу в скайриме: разрабы не сразу же сделали возможность конных боев, только потом это добавили Ну можно обусловить это горной и лесной местностью, там кавалерия не очень хорошо себя чувствует, степи, поля разве что есть вблизи Вайтрана
@@АнатолийШахов-ж5ц Yes but i was talking of the Russian invasion of Germany in 1914, where they tried the same thing, but outran their supply lines and got surrounded by General von Hindenberg. In 1944 the Soviet Red Army had better supply lines, helped more than a little bit by the United States basically gifting the USSR literally hundreds of thousands of 3 ton GM trucks. The Russian soldiers loved the American GM 3 ton truck, it's one of the few pieces of American Lend-Lease equipment the Soviet censors didn't bother to hide from their history. They couldn't. It was everywhere. It went everywhere. And it did the job of allowing supplies to keep up with Zhukov's advancing columns. It was why the fascists never managed to get a firm line of defense after Bagration, because the Soviet motorized force moved too quickly and there were too many of them.
@@АнатолийШахов-ж5ц Not true about steppes only in WHiterun. There are vast forested plains between Morthal and Dawnstar that would be battlegrounds as well. Cavalry isn't that bad in a forest.
@@Dryadenjoyerthe storm cloaks winning would only really benefit the thalmor strategically. A further weakened empire already suffering from the pervious war with them, now missing an entire province and loosing a great commander as well as many soldiers. It would make further conquest of Cyrodiil, admittedly they would prefer the civil war go on as long as possible forcing both sides to shoot themselves in the foot by sending as many men as possible to their deaths and exhausting resources, but ultimately a storm cloak victory would still benefit them strategically.
@@The_Radio_Demon-Alastor , I must say, that I don’t care about Cirodiil and about the Empire even more. Truly speaking I would be happy, if Empire will deceased and elves will take Cirodiil back. I like Nords, Bosmers, Bretons and Redguards with Khajiits and I even like Dunmers, I respect Orks and Argonians. I don’t like Altmers. But imperials… Imperials I just hate. And I don’t really know why. Maybe that’s because I’m a racist… Maybe that’s because in my comprehension, Empires, that’s always about oppression…
@@Dryadenjoyer I can respect the fantasy racism part, we all have that one species we hate, but the last line “empires are always about repression” empire is a very broad term, and there were a lot of places called empires. The French empire expanded civil liberties across Europe wouldn’t call them repressive, the German empire, while admittedly autocratic also had pretty good civil liberties and was very accepting of the rights of many minorities like berlins massive homosexual night clubs.
@@The_Radio_Demon-Alastor , country can’t be autocratic and liberal in the same time. Getting back to the point, my opinion is subjective, and maybe it’s not right, but it’s my opinion. I just hate imperials and their empire and wish they in their Cirodiil will again be an elven colony. In other words, Skyrim for Nords. Thank you for this good conversation.
I used to be a hardcore Stormcloak until I realized why Nords support the Empire and why we need them to keep the Elves away. I still sympathize with the Stormcloaks and understand why they support Ulfric. For me its more of a case of Order over Chaos instead of Righteous versus Evil.
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I thought the Legion was about to get cooked when they reached the gates of Solitude. That comeback was wild.
So... the Dovahkiin took his side.
Well the title is "Imperial Victory"
"I'm just warming up, you pathetic worm. REMEMBER THE EMPEROR!" - Tulius probably
You should add captions and the location of famous landmarks/cities for the next one
Noted, Thanks!
@@VirtualTamrielWarsalso it would be great if you pointed out key event of the campaign: decisive battles, behind the line operations or any important intervention.
and here i thought it was just one guy doing all the heavy lifting
you know that if the stormcloacks wins , Elfs wins .. and humanity fall. so .. FOR THE EMPEROR!
If the stormcloaks win why should the empire be saved? Think about it, they have only two provinces,
@@redwind5150 The Thalmor are sponsoring Ulfric in secret, so yes.
Umm hard doubt
@@Ennio444 Bo they aren't. Read the journal again, they deactivated him. They said he had nothing new so they let him go. What they didn't expect was a stormcloak victory.
@@redwind5150 Okay, but is a rebellion in Skyrim not in the Thalmor's interest? That's what Joe Rogan would say. Just asking questions.
Southern campaign for storm cloaks holding it down fr
Well the Northern front was obviously more important. Smoother terrain too. The harsher the terrain, the more advantage the rebels have in their native territory
0:37 exact moment when we join the Legion)
Very well put together! I love the voicelines.
10:26 The remaining University of Winterhold units wanders around and disappears. It's cute.
This is basically how the Civil War would go without our involvement, the Stormcloacks would start strong because they have a home advantage and greater physical strength, but they’ll inevitably lose to the Imperial Legion, because none of that matters when faced with Battle Tactics, if the Legion can’t outmuscle the Stormcloaks they WILL outsmart them
"Battle Tactics" don't matter when you're overreaching and you're logistically exhausted, which is what the Stormcloaks could easily achieve with guerrilla tactics and a protracted guerrilla. The US had battle tactics in Vietnam, the Soviets in Afghanistan, and still they lost.
Unfortunately that wouldn’t apply here. Ulffrick is a tactical and strategic genius, capable of planning and executing brutal attacks with heavily outnumbered forces. There’s a reason why he was chosen to handle the Markarth Incident.
The stormcloaks enjoy significant local support (more than the empire) and has much shorter supply chains. The empire on the other hand has minority support from local nords, the high queen is widely seen as illegitimate or a puppet, so they have to make up the difference with legionnaires; however, the empire can only spare a limited number of them and they do not know the lay of the land and have highly strained logistics. In game lore shows that Ulfrick had been hitting and devastating supply shipments for months , to great effect. More than likely had the Dragonborn nor the Thalmor (who wanted to prolong the war) intervened the Empire would either be forced to deploy additional legions to Skyrim jeopardizing its recovery and weakening its hold on other areas , or would be forced to retreat eventually.
It’s just hard to beat someone with local support, similar tech, who already controls a massive amount of territory and is tactically brilliant. Plus most of the stormcloaks are former imperial soldiers who served in the Great War, so most are familiar with Imperial tactics.
@@RenegadeElite101 I'm sorry, but Ulfric is no tactical and strategic genius. The one canonical battle of the Civil War was the Battle of Darkwater Crossing, where Ulfric and all his men were lured into a picture perfect ambush which the Stormcloaks described as seeming like the Imperials knowing "exactly where they would be".
Because they did. Tullius knew where they would be and arranged for their immediate transport to Helgen for summary execution.
The Empire surrounds Ulfric and has far greater logistical and material resources than the Stormcloaks, perhaps not locally, but overall, and an intelligence network which has a near stranglehold on Skyrim. Every Stormcloak supporter is petrified of Imperial spies being everywhere, because they are.
Also, Ulfric is in no way tactically brilliant. He's charismatic, but at the end of the day, is no more than a thug. Ulfric never won any wondrous victories against all odds, he used the voice. Even in the Great War, he still ended up in Thalmor imprisonment for most of the conflict, then after that and his actions at Markarth, he ended up in Imperial Prison for a long time. Ulfric is never shown to have displayed any degree of tactical brilliance. Even when his Civil War started, he made rapid early gains against his Nord militia opponents in the west, but once Tullius and the Fourth Imperial Legion arrived, the situation was turned around, leading, again, to the only canonical battle of the war, again, a crushing victory for Tullius.
He is a figure of Nord nationalistic pride and has much greater charisma than the general and certainly has that in his favor, but has little to recommend him as a great general, at least over Tullius.
@@Ennio444 it's not just about battle tactics. It's about the fact that the Stormcloaks are almost universally petrified of how many Imperial Spies honeycomb the society of Stormcloak Skyrim. The Stormcloak Jarls, even Ulfric himself, will all tell you "Imperial Spies are Everywhere."
What's more, this is also shown to be true. Imperial spies are everywhere.
@@Ennio444 The US was fighting a war an ocean away. The Empire is right there.
FOR THE STORM CLOA…… uh I mean EMPIRE!
Amusingly this kind of theater warfare wouldn't be possible or used like this. Traditional 'front-line', strategic warfare was only beginning to show itself in the Napoleonic era and most prior wars and battles are often singular, massive decisive battles using a small handful of large armies. There would likely be a lot more vast land swipes and carved passages of advance as smaller numbers of large armies invade territory and plunder the land before either retreating or being scattered by a counter attack. We don't see these smaller, gradual advances across an entire land until Industrialization and mass conscription of hundreds of thousands or millions of men.
Very true; I see each unit as more of a group of 4 or 5 soldiers and more so NPC type warfare. Just a bunch of dudes running around hoping to encounter something. A more realistic war in this timeframe would focus more on individual, decisive battles and masterful strategic plays. But map is map; map is pretty 😂
this was excellent to watch, thanks
The best ending
Dat Stormcloak Island in the north
Is this map in the steam workshop and if so can you link it in the description?
Until the dragon born arrives on _____s Side
From where Empire got such armies, if Pale Pass was closed due to avalanches in the mountains?
Its probably safer to bring them from High Rock as that's still the Empire and the Westholds bordering High Rock are for the Empire initially.
Хз... набрали из местных... ну или пошли на использование самого благородного искусства магии - Некромантии.
(последнее шутка)
@@mr.magnuss9072 , грязные имперцы…
@@mr.magnuss9072 , эх, ютюб не любит когда оскорбляют имперцев.
Но в том, что имперцы отравлены некромантией, я никогда не сомневался.
@@rjjacob101 , Cirodiil and High Rock is divided by Hammerfell. Hammerfell is not a part of Empire anymore. So Empire is forced to supply their forces through the sea, or by making an agreement with Hammerfell. But Empire leaved Hammerfell fighting with elfs alone. And achieving this agreement would be complicated for Empire.
Империя - это благо для всех
Количество подразделений, их маневренность не похожа на ведение войны средних веков с душными осадами, генеральными сражениями
Скорее похоже на маневренную как во вторую мировую, с котлами, прорывами, быстрыми таковыми и мотопехотными дивизиями
Medieval armies are more mobile than you seem to think. you appear to be Russian or Ukrainian and either way, your own history is pretty good evidence of how fast an army can move with primitive equipment.
One of the weird things in the Skyrim game is the absolute lack of cavalry for example. Cavalry was the strength behind both the Mongol conquest of the Kyivan Russia and Muscovy's later expansion into the dominant position it has today. In such flat country cavalry can cover a lot of ground very quickly. And much of Skyrim, especially the Whiterun and Dawnstar plains, is good ground for horses.
Ironically, it was the artillery that slowed modern armies down for the First World War. Armies required so much more equipment that it forced advances to slow down and not outrun their supply lines. That's what happened to General Samsonov at the Mazurian Lakes in 1914.. before that an army could cut loose from its supply lines and loot/plunder/"live off the land" and cover a dozen miles a day or more. That's what Samsonov was trying to do but it was an outdated idea by 1914 and the age of "war by train schedule"
@@hagamapamaя живу в России, родился в небольшом селе в Сибири, по соседству с нами жили украинцы, поляки, все они были у меня в роду, не люблю себя причислять к какой-то их этих нарооностей на 100% из-за разногласий, считаю себя просто славянином
Ну ксати славянские армии были мобильными на как раз благодаря вполне нормальнму оборудованию, были проблемы на начальных этапах войны из-за того что страна не успела перестроиться так быстро на военный лад, но уже в 1942 все быстро начало меняться "броня наша крепка, танки наши быстры" , ну и вдобавок бились по большей части на своей родной земле, а с продвижением на земле Германии, немецкие партизаны и фолькштурм её создавали таких сильных проблем советской и польской армии Людова, что так же позволяло молниеносно наступать
" Русские долго запрягают, да быстро едут"
Ну, а про конницу в скайриме: разрабы не сразу же сделали возможность конных боев, только потом это добавили
Ну можно обусловить это горной и лесной местностью, там кавалерия не очень хорошо себя чувствует, степи, поля разве что есть вблизи Вайтрана
@@АнатолийШахов-ж5ц Yes but i was talking of the Russian invasion of Germany in 1914, where they tried the same thing, but outran their supply lines and got surrounded by General von Hindenberg.
In 1944 the Soviet Red Army had better supply lines, helped more than a little bit by the United States basically gifting the USSR literally hundreds of thousands of 3 ton GM trucks.
The Russian soldiers loved the American GM 3 ton truck, it's one of the few pieces of American Lend-Lease equipment the Soviet censors didn't bother to hide from their history. They couldn't. It was everywhere. It went everywhere. And it did the job of allowing supplies to keep up with Zhukov's advancing columns.
It was why the fascists never managed to get a firm line of defense after Bagration, because the Soviet motorized force moved too quickly and there were too many of them.
@@АнатолийШахов-ж5ц Not true about steppes only in WHiterun. There are vast forested plains between Morthal and Dawnstar that would be battlegrounds as well. Cavalry isn't that bad in a forest.
Very nice. I believe Riften (southeast of the map) was technically Imperial right?
Nope.
The Jarl of Riften was sympathetic to the Stormcloak cause, something Law-Giver. Its Maven Black-Briar I believe who is pro-Empire.
For the Empraaaaaaaaaaah
Thalmor you mean?
@@Dryadenjoyerthe storm cloaks winning would only really benefit the thalmor strategically. A further weakened empire already suffering from the pervious war with them, now missing an entire province and loosing a great commander as well as many soldiers. It would make further conquest of Cyrodiil, admittedly they would prefer the civil war go on as long as possible forcing both sides to shoot themselves in the foot by sending as many men as possible to their deaths and exhausting resources, but ultimately a storm cloak victory would still benefit them strategically.
@@The_Radio_Demon-Alastor , I must say, that I don’t care about Cirodiil and about the Empire even more.
Truly speaking I would be happy, if Empire will deceased and elves will take Cirodiil back.
I like Nords, Bosmers, Bretons and Redguards with Khajiits and I even like Dunmers, I respect Orks and Argonians. I don’t like Altmers.
But imperials…
Imperials I just hate.
And I don’t really know why.
Maybe that’s because I’m a racist…
Maybe that’s because in my comprehension, Empires, that’s always about oppression…
@@Dryadenjoyer I can respect the fantasy racism part, we all have that one species we hate, but the last line “empires are always about repression” empire is a very broad term, and there were a lot of places called empires. The French empire expanded civil liberties across Europe wouldn’t call them repressive, the German empire, while admittedly autocratic also had pretty good civil liberties and was very accepting of the rights of many minorities like berlins massive homosexual night clubs.
@@The_Radio_Demon-Alastor , country can’t be autocratic and liberal in the same time.
Getting back to the point, my opinion is subjective, and maybe it’s not right, but it’s my opinion.
I just hate imperials and their empire and wish they in their Cirodiil will again be an elven colony.
In other words, Skyrim for Nords.
Thank you for this good conversation.
good video :D
The "fantasy" map looks a lot like Magyar
yeah, if serbia was full of mountains
i need this game but i am DIRT broke
In my case It took like ≈120 playthroughs to realize siding with the Empire is the right call
general tullius sounds like jordan peterson
FOR THE STORM CLOA….. uh I mean EMPIRE!
I used to be a hardcore Stormcloak until I realized why Nords support the Empire and why we need them to keep the Elves away. I still sympathize with the Stormcloaks and understand why they support Ulfric. For me its more of a case of Order over Chaos instead of Righteous versus Evil.