Honestly the stormcloaks are as good as the empire. People seem to forget hammerfell, Morrowind and Balck marsh are all independent. Skyrim can ally with any or all including allying with the empire. Hammerfell has fought the dominion to a stalemate on its own, why wouldn’t the Nords ally with them? Not to mention they’d have a Dragonborn on their side and potentially friendly dragons in Paarthunax
Morrowind is devastated by the eruption of red mountain, and the great houses would be more occupied with reconstruction than helping humans against mer. Black marsh is too far away from Skyrim to be able to have any sort of real cooperation, and would probably get steamrolled by the Dominion in the early days anyway (unless one were to presume an argonian Vietnam in the marshes, which could be possible). Hammerfell is the only point I see plausible here. Really though, the whole point is moot. The whole of the stormcloaks is stalemated against one locally recruited legion of an empire which possesses dozens. The Emperor sees the rebellion not as civil war but as a minor uprising, which is why he hasn’t sent more to reinforce Tullius (that and the elves and the avalanche). Once Ulfric wins, Titus-Mede (or his successor for that matter) would just rush legions from High Rock of Cyrodiil to retake an important province, something already remarked upon in a letter to Ulfric where a force gathering beyond Pale Pass is mentioned. Ultimately, the stormcloaks are doomed and would serve to only hinder the Empire in the next Great War.
@@Smoogleboogle Black Marsh also has no horse in this race. The Aldmeri Dominion couldn't invade it even if they wanted to, and they don't want to (because it would quickly devolve to Vietnam in the marshes, as you say lol). Morrowind is implied not to be fully independent, either, it's still in a sort of limbo like it was in the Third Era, with the Great Houses being mostly free to do as they please while the Legion operates as it wishes and the king (now in Blacklight) sends taxes (or tribute, if you're of the independent Morrowind camp) to the Imperial City. And as you said, the Dunmer would hardly be of any help, because though the eruption was over a century before present, its effects-and the An Xileel invasions of southern Morrowind-have crippled the province. Hammerfell is the only viable ally, if the Stormcloaks somehow wrested control of their province from the Empire (they couldn't, it's quite impossible).
"The Empire must win; otherwise, it's a bad ending with the Stormcloaks." There are a few factors that no one takes into account every time they say that: it's the Dragonborn who defines the factions by choosing to side with one of them. Whether it's the Stormcloaks or the Empire, it's a win because the Dragonborn is in their ranks. They possess immense powers and the ability to summon dragons when needed, such as Durnehviir, Odahviing, or even use Bend Will to subdue others, not to mention factions like the Blades, the Greybeards, the Dark Brotherhood, or the Companions
@@TastyMeat8675 Why would he be trapped there? After killing Mirak he comes back in to Solstheim afterwards. He'd only be trapped in Apocrypha for like a day at most.
@@DireMerc so then does the hero of kvatch not become sheogorath after the events of shivering isles just because you can continue playing as him afterwards? It’s called game mechanics
@@TastyMeat8675 Just because the Dragonborn becomes a Hermaeous Mora's champion doesn't mean they are permanently trapped in Apocrypha. The officials ending for the Dragonborn is just "the Dragonborn continued to explore the vast lands of Tamriel, seeking new adventures and challenges." There is no definite ending set for them in the lore.
@@DireMerc when has Bethesda ever had an elder scrolls main character not disappear into history after the last DLC? Every single game it’s “main character finished main story and dlc then vanished.” Everything else is left up in the air. What’s not up in the air is that even if the stormcloaks won in the game the main legion is ready to cross the pale pass once the avalanches clear up and it gets more traversable
Your right, the only way to stop the Aldmari Dominion is to allow them to garrison a military force in imperial territory and to conduct unrestricted kidnapping and harassment of imperial citizens. Why can't the stormcucks understand this?
The good ending is where the Dragonborn after defeating Alduin marries the widow of the former high king, acknowledges the legitimacy of Stormcloak's challenge and status as high king then invokes the very same challenge on him defeating him fairly becoming the undisputed high king unifying Skyrim under a dragonborn Nord who defeated Alduin. Then the emperor is assassinated while visiting Skyrim and the Dragonborn seeks and finds justice for the emperor and is put forward as a replacement heralded as a second coming of Talos. The Dragonborn ascends the throne and leads a more unified and strong empire against the Aldmeri dominion restoring the empire.
Imperial forces were already under the control and influence of the Thalmor. This is why the Blades were waging a secret war in an attempt to rekindle the line of Emporers. Most people don't realize that the Empire are the bad guys wiping out all things Nord to conquer Skyrim. All hail High King Ulfric.
Ulfric is a Thalmor asset, and not only that, completely incompetent. Your hero is a failure who lost multiple times and every single thing he was invoplved with ended up making Skyrim worse, and easier for the Dominion to target. The only Empire haters are new players who had Skyrim as their first TES game and have zero clue to the prior games
@Justin-pe9cl he's getting General Tulius and Ulfric mixed up. Ulfric was the only one putting Nords first, while everyone else was making a play on Skyrim for their beneficiaries.
That is just straight-up false. The Thalmor literally state an Imperial victory in Skyrim harms them, and the Blades had stopped serving the Empire the moment Martin Septim sacrificed himself. Ulfric spits on Skyrim's customs moreso than the Empire does.
Man, i really want a mod for maven and siddgeir replacer so if i choose imperial side (which i always do) i can replace siddgeir and maven with someone better
There’s no point in fighting the Thalmor for the freedom of Tamriel only to have the continent under imperial rule. All provinces should be independent.
The Stormcloak rebellion is stupid. There, I said it. If Ulfric really cares about the worship of Talos and beating the Aldmeri dominion, the correct move is to side with the Empire and help them recover. The Aldmeri dominion is already on the backfoot, they were forced to sign the white gold concordate because they were afraid they'd lose everything.
Fala vdd, melhor deixa Skyrim se tornar independente,pq império ficou visto como traidor pelo povo do norte levando a revolta muitos mantiveram a devoção a Talos mas tem lugares tavam sendo perseguidos pelos elfos do dominion, te aceitado tratado e depois fingi obediência e torna Skyrim independente ,invés disso prefiro luta contra eles invés de tenta negociação ou um acordo ,o império tinha força nem para proteger seus territórios principais e imaginar manda recursos e soldados numa guerra num território difícil,Mesmo os imperiais usando soldados nórdicos em suas forças com recrutamentos .essa guerra civil só tá sendo vista pós elfos como uma vantagem .
You mean the same empire that signed the Talos ban and allows the thalmor to enforce it? No, both the empire and the Thalmor for this blasphemy and they both should pay for it.
@@teyrncousland7152 império traiu seus aliados e os 2 ajudaram muito na última guerra , um iria perdeu seus territórios e o outro sua religião principal,foi uma sacanagem com os reinos lá ,acabou enfraquecendo a confiança para sempre difícil caras vão ajuda império como antes
@@cowboydan507 The Empire doesn't care if you worship Talos or not. That's why the Thalmor need to send their agents to Skyrim to enforce it. The Empire also doesn't care if the Thalmor agents get murdered... The white gold concordat is just a way for the Empire to buy time as they ready themselves to strike back.
Funny to see after almost 13 years there are still people out here fighting over who is right over a fictional war. By the way the stormcloaks are right. And if any imperial sympathizers want too, I'm happy to discuss with them how they are wrong.
The Empire is right. Not only because the Stormcloaks don't pose a threat to the Dominion... though that is the biggest reason... but also because Ulfric dishonors more Nord customs than the Empire does, and is responsible for the start of the enforcement of the Talos ban.
@dutchpatriot17 so much of "not a threat" they have a small army of inquisitors roaming the province and continue to operate those inquisitors long after the stormcloaks actually win? And that's before you realize that in game lore the Storm cloaks belief in Talos is the only thing keeping the Thalmor from actually destroying the world. But tell me how the multi-cultural hegemon in decay knows Nordic values better than the actual Nord's do. Please I want to know.
@@ProfessionalScofflaw Treaty enforcers are not the Dominion military. Talos has nothing to do with keeping the world intact. Ulfric damns the Jarls, the Moot, betrayed the Greybeards and their teachings, denies the legitimacy of Torygg and fights for a foreign god.
@@ProfessionalScofflaw The Stormcloaks are not a threat to the Dominion, yes. A couple of Justiciars are not the Dominion military. Nobody in-universe believes that Talos ''is the only thing keeping the Thalmor from destroying the world''. Ulfric dishonors the Moot, Jarls, denies Torygg's legitimacy, is an oathbreaker, blasphemed with the Voice and betrayed the Greybeards, all the while fighting for a foreign god. So yeah, he spits on Nord custom.
@@dutchpatriot17 literally an entire game centered around it. (It was the shitty online card game that no longer exists but that's besides the point). The Thalmor literally tried to end the world on multiple occasions. They are a death cult. It is canon lore. As for the rest, in order. 1. Ulfric literally says "I refuse to take the throne even though we just won because the moot still has to meet and decide." At the end of that side of the quest line. 2. Torrygg was a poor king who was probably being groomed by an actual vampire, and he was beaten in fair combat. Skill issue git gud. 3. Literally in the Thalmor's own documents it said "we totally gaslit this dude into thinking he betrayed his men when he really didn't." 4. Greybeards are cowards full stop.
Nice work. However, I think that you have shaped this campaign following much more modern war logic such as involving very centralized states and with a well-defined front line between the two parties. Skyrim is a country certainly subservient to the empire, but with lords/jarls having their own will which does not necessarily align with that of the legion. For example, Jarl Balgruuf, despite being sympathetic to the empire, remains neutral throughout almost the entire game during the civil war. Having Whiterun under Stormcloak control and then the Empire is therefore inconsistent with the lore of the game. It might have been better to have a neutral buffer state in the center of the map As I said at the beginning, during medieval times, there were rarely well-defined front lines. It was much more often skirmishes on enemy territory in order to take control of forts or castles (essentially what we do in the game ). Finally, it could have been interesting to see the effects of the truce between the empire and the stormcloaks. During the meeting at high hrothgar, territory exchanges take place and they do not appear during the video. It could have been cool to present that. Despite everything, very good video and always interesting to see Skyrim content still posted today
Agree on all of your points, this video looks really cool and the sounds are awesome, but it seems a bit off. Another strange thing happening in the video: in the first half of it (Imperial victory), the last resistance of the Stormcloaks is in the southeast of Skyrim, kind of close to the Dawnguard's fortress. That doesn't make any sense, if I remember well, it all ends when you beat up Ulfric in Windhelm.
Thanks for the feedback! Just to clarify, this timelapse was created using a game called Fantasy Map Simulator and the battles play out randomly, so it’s not an accurate representation of Skyrim’s civil war, I don’t have control over the battle AI unfortunately. The way it handles conflicts leans more toward modern war logic, which I agree doesn’t fully match Skyrim’s lore or medieval-style warfare.. The channel focuses on fantasy battle simulations just for fun. I’ll make sure to include a disclaimer at the beginning of my next videos to clear up any confusion. Appreciate you watching and sharing your thoughts!
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Just like Red ring baby
Honestly the stormcloaks are as good as the empire. People seem to forget hammerfell, Morrowind and Balck marsh are all independent. Skyrim can ally with any or all including allying with the empire. Hammerfell has fought the dominion to a stalemate on its own, why wouldn’t the Nords ally with them? Not to mention they’d have a Dragonborn on their side and potentially friendly dragons in Paarthunax
Thank you, I’ve been saying this for awhile. Long live the Free Peoples of Tamriel! ✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻
Morrowind is devastated by the eruption of red mountain, and the great houses would be more occupied with reconstruction than helping humans against mer. Black marsh is too far away from Skyrim to be able to have any sort of real cooperation, and would probably get steamrolled by the Dominion in the early days anyway (unless one were to presume an argonian Vietnam in the marshes, which could be possible). Hammerfell is the only point I see plausible here.
Really though, the whole point is moot. The whole of the stormcloaks is stalemated against one locally recruited legion of an empire which possesses dozens. The Emperor sees the rebellion not as civil war but as a minor uprising, which is why he hasn’t sent more to reinforce Tullius (that and the elves and the avalanche). Once Ulfric wins, Titus-Mede (or his successor for that matter) would just rush legions from High Rock of Cyrodiil to retake an important province, something already remarked upon in a letter to Ulfric where a force gathering beyond Pale Pass is mentioned. Ultimately, the stormcloaks are doomed and would serve to only hinder the Empire in the next Great War.
Hammerfell lost territory to the Dominion. They are not some powerhouse like Stormcucks want to believe.
Snow and sand alliance of Skyrim and Hammerfell.
@@Smoogleboogle Black Marsh also has no horse in this race. The Aldmeri Dominion couldn't invade it even if they wanted to, and they don't want to (because it would quickly devolve to Vietnam in the marshes, as you say lol). Morrowind is implied not to be fully independent, either, it's still in a sort of limbo like it was in the Third Era, with the Great Houses being mostly free to do as they please while the Legion operates as it wishes and the king (now in Blacklight) sends taxes (or tribute, if you're of the independent Morrowind camp) to the Imperial City. And as you said, the Dunmer would hardly be of any help, because though the eruption was over a century before present, its effects-and the An Xileel invasions of southern Morrowind-have crippled the province. Hammerfell is the only viable ally, if the Stormcloaks somehow wrested control of their province from the Empire (they couldn't, it's quite impossible).
The only reason I always join the stormclocks is because I can just turn around and change ulfric to a dule and then I'm in charge
The moot has to vote you in.
For the Empire!
No. For Skyrim.
All hail to Ulfric, you are the High King!
Skyrim belongs to the Nords!
I wonder if HOI4 have a Skyrim campaign
Yes. But this mod is very old and not particularly developed.
"The Empire must win; otherwise, it's a bad ending with the Stormcloaks."
There are a few factors that no one takes into account every time they say that: it's the Dragonborn who defines the factions by choosing to side with one of them. Whether it's the Stormcloaks or the Empire, it's a win because the Dragonborn is in their ranks. They possess immense powers and the ability to summon dragons when needed, such as Durnehviir, Odahviing, or even use Bend Will to subdue others, not to mention factions like the Blades, the Greybeards, the Dark Brotherhood, or the Companions
Cool story but the last Dragonborn isn’t doing shit when he’s trapped in Apocrypha.
@@TastyMeat8675 Why would he be trapped there? After killing Mirak he comes back in to Solstheim afterwards. He'd only be trapped in Apocrypha for like a day at most.
@@DireMerc so then does the hero of kvatch not become sheogorath after the events of shivering isles just because you can continue playing as him afterwards? It’s called game mechanics
@@TastyMeat8675 Just because the Dragonborn becomes a Hermaeous Mora's champion doesn't mean they are permanently trapped in Apocrypha. The officials ending for the Dragonborn is just "the Dragonborn continued to explore the vast lands of Tamriel, seeking new adventures and challenges." There is no definite ending set for them in the lore.
@@DireMerc when has Bethesda ever had an elder scrolls main character not disappear into history after the last DLC? Every single game it’s “main character finished main story and dlc then vanished.” Everything else is left up in the air. What’s not up in the air is that even if the stormcloaks won in the game the main legion is ready to cross the pale pass once the avalanches clear up and it gets more traversable
The Stormcloaks are the Bad end. The Empire is the only hope against the vile Mer of Summerset. This ending weakens the Empire further.
Your right, the only way to stop the Aldmari Dominion is to allow them to garrison a military force in imperial territory and to conduct unrestricted kidnapping and harassment of imperial citizens. Why can't the stormcucks understand this?
"A Justiciar has been deployed to your location"
Long live the Empire, Long live Tamriel! The Emperor guides us!
@@meateater1002 Already have a hole dug out back for them. Come on down knife ear.
The good ending is where the Dragonborn after defeating Alduin marries the widow of the former high king, acknowledges the legitimacy of Stormcloak's challenge and status as high king then invokes the very same challenge on him defeating him fairly becoming the undisputed high king unifying Skyrim under a dragonborn Nord who defeated Alduin. Then the emperor is assassinated while visiting Skyrim and the Dragonborn seeks and finds justice for the emperor and is put forward as a replacement heralded as a second coming of Talos. The Dragonborn ascends the throne and leads a more unified and strong empire against the Aldmeri dominion restoring the empire.
Yes. The true sons and daughters of Skyrim are victorious. All hail the true high king of Skyrim!
Imperial forces were already under the control and influence of the Thalmor. This is why the Blades were waging a secret war in an attempt to rekindle the line of Emporers. Most people don't realize that the Empire are the bad guys wiping out all things Nord to conquer Skyrim. All hail High King Ulfric.
Ulfric is a Thalmor asset, and not only that, completely incompetent. Your hero is a failure who lost multiple times and every single thing he was invoplved with ended up making Skyrim worse, and easier for the Dominion to target.
The only Empire haters are new players who had Skyrim as their first TES game and have zero clue to the prior games
@@davidkasparov8043Ulfric is NOT a thalmore asset.
@Justin-pe9cl he's getting General Tulius and Ulfric mixed up. Ulfric was the only one putting Nords first, while everyone else was making a play on Skyrim for their beneficiaries.
@@sebastianthespartan8451 sebastian the illiterate cuck. Ulfric is an incompetent idiot, just like his fans
That is just straight-up false.
The Thalmor literally state an Imperial victory in Skyrim harms them, and the Blades had stopped serving the Empire the moment Martin Septim sacrificed himself.
Ulfric spits on Skyrim's customs moreso than the Empire does.
Man i really love your video's, keep going!
Man, i really want a mod for maven and siddgeir replacer so if i choose imperial side (which i always do) i can replace siddgeir and maven with someone better
Shouldn't Whiterun at least initially be neutral?
It indicates that victory belongs to who gets Whiterun first just like in the game.
i always join the empire the nords treat us like dirt. i walked it to windhelm and get called greyskin
Long live the Empire
You should post this scenario to the workshop
There’s no point in fighting the Thalmor for the freedom of Tamriel only to have the continent under imperial rule. All provinces should be independent.
Typical rebel scum propaganda lol
Any other provinces soon?
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The Stormcloak rebellion is stupid. There, I said it. If Ulfric really cares about the worship of Talos and beating the Aldmeri dominion, the correct move is to side with the Empire and help them recover. The Aldmeri dominion is already on the backfoot, they were forced to sign the white gold concordate because they were afraid they'd lose everything.
Fala vdd, melhor deixa Skyrim se tornar independente,pq império ficou visto como traidor pelo povo do norte levando a revolta muitos mantiveram a devoção a Talos mas tem lugares tavam sendo perseguidos pelos elfos do dominion, te aceitado tratado e depois fingi obediência e torna Skyrim independente ,invés disso prefiro luta contra eles invés de tenta negociação ou um acordo ,o império tinha força nem para proteger seus territórios principais e imaginar manda recursos e soldados numa guerra num território difícil,Mesmo os imperiais usando soldados nórdicos em suas forças com recrutamentos .essa guerra civil só tá sendo vista pós elfos como uma vantagem .
You mean the same empire that signed the Talos ban and allows the thalmor to enforce it? No, both the empire and the Thalmor for this blasphemy and they both should pay for it.
@@teyrncousland7152 império traiu seus aliados e os 2 ajudaram muito na última guerra , um iria perdeu seus territórios e o outro sua religião principal,foi uma sacanagem com os reinos lá ,acabou enfraquecendo a confiança para sempre difícil caras vão ajuda império como antes
So side with the Imperials and follow the White Gold Concordat by not worshipping Talos? Ya makes a lot of sense.
@@cowboydan507 The Empire doesn't care if you worship Talos or not. That's why the Thalmor need to send their agents to Skyrim to enforce it. The Empire also doesn't care if the Thalmor agents get murdered... The white gold concordat is just a way for the Empire to buy time as they ready themselves to strike back.
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Funny to see after almost 13 years there are still people out here fighting over who is right over a fictional war.
By the way the stormcloaks are right. And if any imperial sympathizers want too, I'm happy to discuss with them how they are wrong.
The Empire is right. Not only because the Stormcloaks don't pose a threat to the Dominion... though that is the biggest reason... but also because Ulfric dishonors more Nord customs than the Empire does, and is responsible for the start of the enforcement of the Talos ban.
@dutchpatriot17 so much of "not a threat" they have a small army of inquisitors roaming the province and continue to operate those inquisitors long after the stormcloaks actually win?
And that's before you realize that in game lore the Storm cloaks belief in Talos is the only thing keeping the Thalmor from actually destroying the world. But tell me how the multi-cultural hegemon in decay knows Nordic values better than the actual Nord's do. Please I want to know.
@@ProfessionalScofflaw Treaty enforcers are not the Dominion military.
Talos has nothing to do with keeping the world intact.
Ulfric damns the Jarls, the Moot, betrayed the Greybeards and their teachings, denies the legitimacy of Torygg and fights for a foreign god.
@@ProfessionalScofflaw The Stormcloaks are not a threat to the Dominion, yes. A couple of Justiciars are not the Dominion military.
Nobody in-universe believes that Talos ''is the only thing keeping the Thalmor from destroying the world''.
Ulfric dishonors the Moot, Jarls, denies Torygg's legitimacy, is an oathbreaker, blasphemed with the Voice and betrayed the Greybeards, all the while fighting for a foreign god. So yeah, he spits on Nord custom.
@@dutchpatriot17 literally an entire game centered around it. (It was the shitty online card game that no longer exists but that's besides the point). The Thalmor literally tried to end the world on multiple occasions. They are a death cult. It is canon lore.
As for the rest, in order.
1. Ulfric literally says "I refuse to take the throne even though we just won because the moot still has to meet and decide." At the end of that side of the quest line.
2. Torrygg was a poor king who was probably being groomed by an actual vampire, and he was beaten in fair combat. Skill issue git gud.
3. Literally in the Thalmor's own documents it said "we totally gaslit this dude into thinking he betrayed his men when he really didn't."
4. Greybeards are cowards full stop.
korean war be like:
fake
Nice work.
However, I think that you have shaped this campaign following much more modern war logic such as involving very centralized states and with a well-defined front line between the two parties.
Skyrim is a country certainly subservient to the empire, but with lords/jarls having their own will which does not necessarily align with that of the legion. For example, Jarl Balgruuf, despite being sympathetic to the empire, remains neutral throughout almost the entire game during the civil war. Having Whiterun under Stormcloak control and then the Empire is therefore inconsistent with the lore of the game. It might have been better to have a neutral buffer state in the center of the map
As I said at the beginning, during medieval times, there were rarely well-defined front lines. It was much more often skirmishes on enemy territory in order to take control of forts or castles (essentially what we do in the game ).
Finally, it could have been interesting to see the effects of the truce between the empire and the stormcloaks. During the meeting at high hrothgar, territory exchanges take place and they do not appear during the video. It could have been cool to present that.
Despite everything, very good video and always interesting to see Skyrim content still posted today
Agree on all of your points, this video looks really cool and the sounds are awesome, but it seems a bit off.
Another strange thing happening in the video: in the first half of it (Imperial victory), the last resistance of the Stormcloaks is in the southeast of Skyrim, kind of close to the Dawnguard's fortress. That doesn't make any sense, if I remember well, it all ends when you beat up Ulfric in Windhelm.
Thanks for the feedback! Just to clarify, this timelapse was created using a game called Fantasy Map Simulator and the battles play out randomly, so it’s not an accurate representation of Skyrim’s civil war, I don’t have control over the battle AI unfortunately. The way it handles conflicts leans more toward modern war logic, which I agree doesn’t fully match Skyrim’s lore or medieval-style warfare.. The channel focuses on fantasy battle simulations just for fun.
I’ll make sure to include a disclaimer at the beginning of my next videos to clear up any confusion. Appreciate you watching and sharing your thoughts!