Good review. Note that the PC version of ACC is at 1.8 with tire changes and on PS5 it is still at 1.7. This will make some difference in the FFB. I have ACC on PC and PS5 and before version 1.8, I almost didn't notice the difference.
Yeah, I think Ricardo hit the spot! I also did notice a good difference on the FFB from 1.7 to 1.8. All that difference in detail mentioned on the video between PS5 and PC is exactly how I would describe the difference from 1.7 to 1.8 on pc. And I have a T300RS... so in direct drive must be felt even a bigger difference.
I agree when 1,8 comes out for ps5 then it should be revisited as I know the 1.8 are being programmed specifically for each console, hence the delay. Should be out this month. I suppose ultimately how much you have to spend on these things, if you spend 2 grand on a pc 1k on a rig and 900 on a wheel then I'd be hopping everything was much better. Taking out the 2k pc and replacing it with a 360 pounds ps5 it shouldn't be as good.
Just yesterday I did the same acc test on pc vs ps5 at home. my steering wheel is the TGT. With the same settings except the strength that on pc has to be lowered above 80 to be equal to 100 strength on ps5. I was testing almost 3 hours in batches of 30 minutes alternating all the time from PC to Ps5. I agree with everything that is talked about in the video, the sensations and the information that arrives at the wheel is better on PC, the sensations are better. for ps5 the feeling is more linear without so many nuances. once well used to both platforms the lap time at the end of the 3 hours was practically the same.
Just starting out… from a newbie… your channel has helped me so much… at this point I’m not making final decisions on upgrades until I check in with your great reviews… Thank you!!
Great video! ... side note at 11:02ish you said your running the FULL 100nm 🤣🤣 that would be a wrist breaking wheelbase. It made laugh but I knew what you meant lol. I do love seeing these kind of unbiased comparisons thanks for sharing your experience with us
Great video. Definitely answering a question I've asked. I know PC users claimed the 1.8 update changed their force feedback experience for the better. Unfortunately PS5 hasn't received the ACC 1.8 update yet. It would be awesome if you could do a little update to this video if it does. Thanks for the great content.
Yep will do. I’m pretty sure the majority of the difference I’m feeling is down to the lower refresh rate on the FFB though. So I doubt it’ll change much. Hopefully I’m wrong.
@@Sideways_Singh 400hz is the polling rate for all the data about the physics, tyres and so on, video refresh rate and FFB are another thing. Because we don’t know the actual physics refresh rate on nextgen console version, we can just speculate about improvements. Maybe the physics on consoles has a sort of frequency cap to not compromise video performance. It will be interesting to see the full PS5 output support at 4K 120hz (video refresh rate), but I’m quite sure they ‘capped’ the pshysics calculations to have the 4K 60hz steady video performance. I’m just saying, maybe I’m totally wrong 😅 Ciao! 😉
@@boostedmedia Hi Will, the 1.8 console version will get a 400HZ physics engine. The update is set for next week. Maybe you can try it out and share your opinion. I know you are very busy so take your time. Congrats on your dreamhouse. Well deserved!
Went from PS5 to PC and used quite a while to get up to speed. But def worth the grind getting into. Still PS5 is more than good enough if on a budget 😊
@@MrAlengold I’m debating on this since I’ve been enjoying it a lot more on ps5 since the update. I have a Sapphire RADEON R9 390 and most of the parts, just missing a monitor and a bigger pc case at the moment. Will the r9 390 hold up well running acc? Also can I use my 32inch tv as a monitor temporarily? Thanks
@@willy08bm Yes and Yes. ACC can still look really great at slightly lower settings too. You'll only be needing 60 FPS though, so is totally gonna run it fine.
1.8 console update. Many of us are waiting patiently with building excitement. We all have only 9 days left till the major release what will change ACC gameplay a lot. I’m from London UK and have been racing AC and ACC on PS4 and PS5. I’ve raced over 1000+ hours on AC and over 1000+hrs on ACC PS4 version. Now building up big time on PS5. Joined a league, 10TENTH RACING COMMUNITY,fantastic! True addict, aren’t you? Since release of ACC I had many serious problems with the game. And with every new update, with release of PS5 console, with new ACC console version I have felt a lot of new optimistic expectations followed by disappointment and a letdown from game developers. I’ve been lucky to always have a good FFB on my T300 Ferrari Alcantara edition and now DD1, but there were other problems what took a lot of nerve and patience. It’s hard to remember all the issues but there are few what stand out to me. For example not able to join multiplayer and the proposed fix was to delete my carefully selected 300 racing friends from AC and ACC. Of course I refused to do that and kept waiting till issue was fixed. That was a big wait but I used time to practice my racing in single player. Another problem is crashing Career. It crashed on three occasions trying to complete career endurance race of 3hours non stop racing. It crashed twice somewhere in last leg. Other day I completed the race, crossed finish line and while checking lap times game crashed not saving my career endurance progress. I was fuming! Another issue we all experienced was game simply crashing midrace, it happened a lot. So annoying and was makings me really angry when I had a good race. Then replay save crash needs to be looked at. Even now after all possible updates on PS5 software and ACC PS5 version updates I am experiencing game crashes, some DD1 disconnects, poor visuals as shading under cars, cars flickering. Other minor game bugs - Pit entrance notice issue, not able to use mapped buttons to look left/right as I can on AC version, no in cockpit turn indicators and headlighs LED’s. Sound issues after watching replay and rejoining track. One occation I had cockpit view flickering in career race, there was no flickering from outside view. Many gamers have poor FFB and other issues with game. The most major is game crashing and disconnects while racing leagues Championships. Over 2 years time since ACC console release game is not in a perfect state yet, but it’s playable and enjoyable. I wish there was more communication and a HELPING HAND between Kunos and UntoldGames who develops console version now. I wish thee was more communication from 505games what is distributor’s of console ACC. And I believe we console players deserve an APOLOGY from 505 games and Kunos for a big letdown because I believe game is not completed, it’s got many problems and is like in a beta version. We PS5 players are lucky to have both versions available to play side by side on PS5. I switch between PS5 and PS4 version because PS5 lobbies has small attendance numbers. With 1.8 version PS5 and Xbox UntoldGames has to nail it. No excuses, it has to be perfection. Watching official Kunos ytube channel I learned Marcos, Aris and team still have that passion, they put a lot of effort developing PC 1.8 version what is a massive overhaul of ACC what changed already great game to something fascinating and they are proud of it. Would be shame if UntoldGames would do a poor job with console 1.8 version and drop all that KUNOS effort down in a mud. We don’t know what to expect precisely, announcement stated upgraded tyre model and 400hz + different liveries? We will see. Researching PC 1.8 update, numerous patch notes and reviews I learned about UPDATED rain visuals, rain tyre handling, rain track limits, cars BOP’s, reworked replay camera angles, mist and dew conditions, car night lights, bmw fuel consumption,there is so much more. PC 1.8 version is always updated. So which 1.8 version + latest update we console gamers will receive is not known yet. But it will change the game for sure.
A fanatec wheelbase settings would've been very helpful not just the In Game ffb settings as this would really indicate how good the overall game ffb for both platforms. if anyone is interested, heres my wheelbase csl dd settings for baseline comparison as a starting point. SEN: 1080 FFB: 100 FFS: LINEAR NDP: 60 NFR: 100 NIN: 70 NIT: 1 FEI: 70 FOR: 100 SPR: OFF DPR: 100 BRF: 50 BLI: 20 In Game GAIN: 100 MIN FORCE: 0 DAMPER: 100 DYNAMIC DAMPING: 150 ROAD EFFECTS: 75 FREQ: 400hz STEER LOCK: 1080 FFB MULTIPLIER: 1.5
Great video as usual but as others have said, a bit premature given 1.8 will be arriving on console soon. Would be interesting to compare when both platforms are on the same version of the game.
Interesting to see you had a similar experience with a direct drive wheel on a ps5. I just got my setup this weekend and definitely noticed a “numbness” or lack of tension from the wheel within the first 2 or 3 degrees of rotation from center. Its like that for every game on ps5
God dammit! This is so typical.. Last week I upgraded from csl elite to the Podium dd f1. Feeling disappointed about how bad ACC is on ps4(pro), specially after it turned out that the ps4 version of acc wasn’t receiving the same update, sooo I went on and got me a PC as well while I waited. I then built a new rig using the exact same measurements as the Px-1, only I built it using wooden beams, painted black. Costed me like 100$, and there is absolutely no flex whatsoever. First test drive today, and I have been smiling like a 5 year old for hours before being able to take a brake. I absolutely LOVE the feeling of immersion from the upgraded force feedback, not to mention the vast improvement in torque when going from csl elite’s 7nm peak to 20nm peak, using the podium wheelbase. But then I get this RUclips notification on my phone, leading me to this video. I usually really enjoy your content, but today I actually wished I didn’t watch. Now I’m sitting in the shower, crying, screaming and banging my head against the wall while I regret buying the podium, instead of getting me a Csl DD with its 100nm!!🤯@11:00😉
Thx fer being honest in the video n not turning it into a master race thing. I have both a PS5 n a high end PC. I'm not any faster on PC than I am on Console. I understand that consoles dont match up to what PCs r capable of but its also a fraction of the price. Honestly, my GPU alone cost more than a PS5... What do we all really expect out of this equation?
PC is just a beast on its own level, thanx for the video Will…I felt the difference immediately switching to PC. Robotic feeling is the perfect way to describe it! Keep up the good work Will and crew!!!
Being a novice with the option to buy my sons pc........what do I need on the pc to make it good for sim racing....is it all about the graphics card and if so which one is need ...Tia
@@Kartvillian I have a 3070 but I’m sure you can get by with much less! Frame rate is the biggest difference going back to console….I feel spoiled :)) I’ve always been for performance oppose to quality, hope this helps!
I don’t think this is necessarily correct. I played ACC on PC and my PS5 this weekend… it literally felt the same. I did not compare lap times, I will try that and see.
As always great video 💪 Just noticed on other user videos ACC got update on ps5 and 400hz setting is present so just wonder are details improved and if how they fifteen now days.
I use the Fanatec GT DD Pro with loadcell and Boost kit, and though I'm primarily a Gran Turismo fan, I do play ACC and iRacing as well. I own ACC on both, and agree completely with everything you said. I have managed to get my PS5 times down to within 0.4-5 seconds on the PS5, but yeah, the fidelity simply isn't there. The only real difference is I only have the GT wheel at present, and run an old Threadripper 2950x, 64gb DDR4 3200, 2080TI... plan to upgrade at the end of the year when the Ryzen 9 7000 series CPU's and Nvidia 40 series GPU's are available. Great video, very focused and on point. Great job as usual Will! Also, I'd love to be able to have just a short DM/whatever with you if possible. Thanks, Kev.
Assuming you have GT7. What do you think of it compared to ACC as far as FFB and details in the wheel? I got GT7, but I don’t have a wheel yet. I plan on having the same setup as you soon.
Someone who creates sim racing videos for a living should be more informed to know that the PC version of ACC is updated to 1.8.12 whereas PS5 currently is running 1.7 and the 1.8 update for ACC was a HUUUGE update which changed everything and people had to completely change their setups and how they drove the cars probably should've waited until both platforms are running the same version but thats just me. Also the pressures of your car was all over the show not even optimum tire pressure some not even reaching 27 psi you want to be aiming for 27.5/7 pressures in this game its the first thing you have to learn without that basic 101 you wont reach peak performance on track and your car will feel like ass, would be nice if you could get a some good setups for the chosen car and a track which does these types of testing that way you will know the subtle differences and do some proper laps with the same equipment that way youll have a good understanding of the differences.
Could also be fact your locked to 60fps on consoles we're as pc cab get well over 100 fps I noticed it coming from wrc 10 on ps5 to the pc fps makes big difference because on wrc 10 I was doing stage on ps5 and I went pc and knocked 3sec off my time on 1st run on pc
Where was this a week ago? Did you miss the first update thrill ride? 😂😂👍 Liking the way you've cut you picture into the video. Looks great. This is a great idea for a video btw.
I just went from xbox to pc this weekend and I didn't notice a difference on ACC with a G920. The big difference was the update that I couldn't get on my older xbox.
Logicrap. You need to save up for a few months and buy a csl dd. Not trying to be a smart ads but Logitech is so garbage. I went from g920 to the thrustmaster tx to a csw2.5 now. Fanatec is 20x better
Going from Assetto Corsa (Original) on console to PC on a G29 I could feel the difference even on the gear driven wheel though that game didn't get the best support on Console. Currently Assetto Corsa Comp is part of PS Extra which is nice way to try if you want and only have a PS5 but also currently in Steam sale is it on special if you have a capable PC.
Hey thanks for the video. Could you post your wheelbase (gt dd pro) settings you were using in the video on ps5 please. I’m using the ones fanatac posted on their website. Also couldn’t leave my gain on 100 after the update. Wheel was way too heavy. Using 60 now without clipping. Keep up your great vids. Grtz from Belgium.
Just got into Sim Racing on ps5 with a G29. I know its not the greatest wheel but research told me it was good starter wheel. I starting to throw down a little consistency but have yet to complete a full consistent lap according to the log in the upper right corner. What is the best settings for using a g29 in ACC on ps5. Thanks love the channel!
I just want to say that the ffb is currently bugged on xbox series and ps5, after the “patch” last Monday. It makes the whole ffb less detailed than it was before this “patch”.
interesting. PS5 is just a mid-spec'd PC and I would not think FFB would be noticeably different with the same wheel and same code. High-end PC will give higher framerates (and responsiveness) and graphics fidelity. The code difference would be a significant factor rather than just the somewhat condescending "what do you expect from a console?".
thanks alot for that nice and informative video, May I ask you if its possible to share the wheel Settings you have changed to get a good experience with ACC on the PS5? Thanks in advance and have a nice one ;)
I've been doing lap after lap of different circuits and I'm consistently 2 seconds a lap slower than the usual PC ACC youtube streamers. I'm on PS5. I've got my wheel dialled in quite well and car setups as best suited as I can and its always the same. No matter what I try it's always 2 seconds on any circuit. DD pro, porsche gt3 podium wheel and v3 pedals.
I have the same issue. I think trail braking is the answer. I am awaiting my delivery of the csl DD and load cell pedal. I am going to learn how to trail brake when they arrive as the old Logitech doesn't lend itself to trail braking very well.
It is a real shame that the PS5/SeriesX versions of ACC are not running an identical engine to the PC version. A big chance for cross-play has been missed.
They said something about way too many variables to take into consideration for cross play and it’s pulsar be worth it, I can’t remember the exact words but that’s what I saw somewhere about ACC
Would also be cool to have someone you work with set this up in a blind study fashion (after 1.8 is released on ps5), so then you come in and test each one separately without being told what platform you are playing on. Would require the PC version to be set to 60fps output and probably some minor graphical tweaks, but could stay at 400hz polling rate.
This should be done once the console versions are up to par with the PC version on both series x and ps5 we have nothing but issues since the update many also lose all FFB during races. It's just a hot mess through and through.
@@magz9816 lots has been fixes since my post but now the end of May updates are pushed to September was hoping yo see the 1.8 version sooner rather than later not to mention the new dlc we won't get until end of year.
Worth it, especially since you got the other two. Just plan accordingly and you'll be enjoying your 3 game rotation. I do the same but with my ps5 and switch.
@@BL00MYB0Y Sim Racing in VR is cheaper than three screens. 300 Bucks and 50 for the Link. Only downside: there are less Sim Racing Games that support VR than these who Support three screens. But After ACC you don’t even want to play something different.
@@Timlaut I can imagine. I’ve played GTSport in VR and even that looks fantastic. 🤔 Don’t need as much space and wall sockets for VR over Triples either
More and more makes me want to invest in a gaming PC or Laptop. Had the fortune to play modded AC on a gaming laptop with refreshed graphics upgrades and in VR was blown away at how much better a driving experience it is than on TV or a PS5. Kinda regret buying the PS5 now.
good video - the findings didn't come as a surprise to me though. I like the camera bit with you driving with a nice transparent background. Something maybe quite cosmetic but intrigued me... as a content creator for a very specific target audience like sim racers, do you think your video thumbnails really do matter (i.e. thumbnail can be affecting a better view rate)? I can see a trend in the mainstream youtube and how almost all thumbnails follow the same pattern. However, we all know sim racing is a bit of a special cookie with its own rules or quirks ;)
This video and ACC + DLC currently on sale in Steam pretty much pushed me to getting ACC for PC than my PS5. Now I just need my GT DD Pro to be delivered.
I'm enjoying it on PC and PS5. Base game on console. All DLC on PC. It's cheaper. I normally just have a quick blast on console. After playing something else.
Thank you for this, as I’m still holding off on a PC and am dying to get into sim racing but was unsure about the quality when switching from PS5 to PC. Knowing that the wheel feels better on PC makes me want to pull the trigger on a rig I can play until PC parts come down in price.
Definitely better on PC... though I'm in a similar situation. My PC can play sims just fine, but since I upgraded my monitors, Elgato etc to 4K because of the PS5, even my old Threadripper 2950x, 64gb, 2080TI is now struggling. It was a beast nearly 4 years ago, but with everything going 4K... though I'm still better off than many who are waiting for prices to drop, so I can't really complain. I'm currently saving hard so I can afford the top end Ryzen 9 7000 CPU & Nvidia 40 series GPU when they (hopefully) release at the end of this year. The Fanatec GT DD Pro with loadcell and Boost kit is definitely great value for money as well. Just read in the news today that the US has lifted certain sanctions off China in the trade dispute, and that it should mean a further reduction in computer component prices. 🤞
@@RaskalTheRabbit the prices have been coming down lately but not enough yet, especially with the new hardware dropping later this year, I am aiming to build a Ryzen 9 5950x with a Nvidia 30 series GPU once the new hardware drops as hopefully it’ll bring the prices down further
I have both pc and PS5 versions of the sim. Using the same Thrustmaster T-GT wheel and LCM pedals I noticed the PC version had more fidelity but the PS5 had stronger default ffb. Even setting the ffb to 100 on the PC it still wasn't as strong as the PS5 version. I feel like this muddys the water when it comes to the fidelity on the PS5. My lap times with default aggressive setup on both mediums are almost the same.
Hey mate! I switched my TGT & T-LCM to the Fanatec GT DD Pro with loadcell and Boost kit, and it's made a huge difference with non GT titles, both PS5 and especially PC, particularly ACC. Probably because ACC have close ties with Fanatec. It's been just over a month now, and the only thing I'm still slightly adjusting to is the loadcell difference... the Fanatec feel with the CSL pedals is a completely different feel... it may be a single choice 60kg, but I have to use more force than I did with the T-LCM at near 100kg. I wouldn't say the feel is better, just different. The build quality is way better though. And the wheel and base is significantly better all around. Definitely worth the switch if you can afford it IMO, especially if you're switching between Console and PC often. For the 1 week I played Sport before GT7 was released, I was beating my PB's by 0.1-2 secs. Hope you, Furbs and the crew are all going well, say G'day to them for me!
@@RaskalTheRabbit Brother! Great to hear from you! If I could afford it I would make the switch haha. Furbs has the Elite and even though the build is next level compared to the T-GT and LCM pedals he can't get good ffb out of ACC on pc, ps4 and PS5. Very week compared to iRacing and GTS/GT7. So next for me will probably be a DD wheel. One day haha. I'll pass on the best wishes to the boys. Hope you are doing well.
@@CSTBFO_jad yeah, I've always preferred lighter FFB anyway, I don't think I ever go above 4nm or so... the fidelity is something else though. My GP is actually buying my old TGT & T-LCM (+T3pa's) for his grandson, and asked me today to find a stand for them. Plus he wants to pay me to be his coach for 6 months... he's giving me $5k cash for that and 24 1 hour lessons over a year! I told him half that is more than enough, but he insisted. The kid (14) has watched some of my old videos and wants me to teach him, so, yeah. Kinda humbling tbh.
the added ffb strength on the ps5 might be because the default preset is set to 100% in strength whereas my t300 is on 70-80% on my pc. not 100% sure if this is what is actually happening I just figured the ps5 firmware for thrustmaster wheels might be configured a bit differently to pc
@@nuztuz903 It was the same on PS4. Default FFB stronger than PC version at 100. Yeh might be something unique to TGT or Thrustmaster wheel bases in general. The good thing is you don't have to flip the GT switch to Other Mode anymore if you want play ACC. On PS4 I had to disconnect the TGT from the console, flick the switch and then reconnect to get acc to even recognise the wheel.
Force Feedback is very much a "flavor" kind of thing. Everyone likes it a little different. Some may say the feeling is better on PS5 compared to PC, others will favor the PC. Even with the same exact settings.
Nice video. Also, it would be very interesting to have a similar force feedback comparison on same game same base but different wheel (like the original dd pro wheel vs the porsche wheel vs other fanatec one). How does they compare on force feedback aspect and feeling, as they are different size, weight, shape...
Great video, I use PS5 with Fanatec Podium/DD1 Wheelbase, mostly for dirt rally 2.0 but ACC is my go to track sim. I love it and the fidelity feels incredible to me, I'm a little surprised by the refresh rate being different when the USB 3.0 bus is obviously the same as you'd get speed wise on a high end PC, so must be down to software. People question sometimes why I don't PC sim race but budget is an important factor with high end PCs being 3-4 times more expensive than the £450 RRP of a PS5, I also feel console titles are way more reliable and therefore less stress when sim racing, on more than one occasion I've won some local motorclub dirt rally club championships because my closest competitor had Windoze crash him out (no restarts allowed), where as I get 100% reliability. Cheers!
I was just having this debate. I already have a PS5 but building a dedicated sim racing rig I was considering a PC. However trying to get a decent spec PC is considerably more expensive and more complicated. My son's racing is the primary reason for this and a console is far simpler for him to get booted up and racing without other issues so in end I've bought a second PS5 to go in the rig which still gives access to some great racing games. A bit further down the line I will probably go the PC route. I'm sure PC is better if you are an expert sim racer, but we are just getting into it so I'm not sure we'll get an extra 1-2k value out of an expensive gaming PC...
May I ask you, at the time you’ve recorded this vid what screen/monitor you played on. I’m trying to find the best screen/monitor when racing on NLR GT-Track and my ps5 Thanks in advance ✌🏻
Surprised you weren’t getting clipping with the FFB on 100/100? I have to run mine on 70 in game and 75 on base otherwise it clips, especially in places like Craner Curves.
Great video and comments here. I am seriously considering to give ACC a try since things in GT7 are still a mess. I use a T-GT wheel and T-LCM pedals. Planning on the PS5 version since it does not require a big initial investment… after that is all goes well, migrate your a PC. Thoughts?
I use a DD1 podium on both platforms, I found I needed to run more FFB strength on ps5 to get the detail compairble to pc. My son recently sold his GT DD (he was previously bludging on my rig) because after using my DD1 he just wasn't happy with the GT DD, we found we had to almost exclusively run it close to max ffb and also found that the ffb was quite vague in the 1st 20odd deg off centre and therefore found it difficult to "feel" car balance on initial turn entry.
@@hughxthexhand maybe shouldve tried csv compatability mode. also, usually the wheels are worse from the start because of software, and get better over time
@@hughxthexhand thank you for this mate, so the DD1 is definitely worth buying on PS5? I was worried that PS5 would bottleneck it and that it would be overkill until I build a decent PC.
Hi, love your vids, I have the ps5 version with DD pro and love it, not had the pleasure of trying the pc version. Just curious if this the ps5 version is after the latest patch which made a big difference and also noticed the gain needs to be down between 50-60 to get all the detail but still retain ffb strength, 100 had alot of clipping for me. Keep up the great work
Love the vids, where do the red mounts for your wheel base come from? I got the DD pro with a next level fgt rig and the angle of the wheel is too flat for me I need some pitch adjustment. I can’t find those red bracket/mounts anywhere :). Thanks!!
Hi Will great video as usual.. Maybe the difference is also that ps5 doesn't have 1.8 update yet that PC has.. Also what settings did you set at wheel base for ps5? And something irrelevant..and also a complain to Kunos.. Because I drive mostly mc720s why the heck has cockpit mirror on board on pc and not on ps5 ? It had it at the beginning of the game and now it's off 😂
I run 2.18.3s on series x. I am excited to get the 1.8 update when it comes but I agree no matter what they do if the console stays at less than 400hz it will still be lacking compared to pc. I've played on both but run on console normally as my computer is dead. I love this sim regardless where I race
Oh man. Your driving on console mercifully reminded me of mine and it’s nice to know perhaps the hardware has at least some responsibility there. I did the math once and the input lag on console translates to between something like 4 and 12 meters distance depending on your speed. So, on slow corners aim 4m “too soon” and even earlier on fast corners and you’ll find hitting apexes much easier. (I was using lap guides to find breaking points but could never break as late as I saw in the videos and the math explained it…. When I stopped to think about it after a few months 😅) Anyway Tl;DR: I think input lag is the #1 discrepancy between pc and console and I feel like it’s very likely you’ll find most of the difficulty lies there rather than the ffb fidelity. The only solace is that you race against others dealing with the same issue so it’s an even playing field at least. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Been following you through your journey since early covid and dig your work. Great vid ! Edit : those numbers were for input lag in multiplayer servers. It’s still there in single player but a bit less (still a lot more than on pc I hear)
Yeah, I've found I'm breaking earlier on the PS5 as well, so I'd have to agree lag plays a big part... and I'm using an ASUS ROG STRIX XG43UQ 4K monitor, not a TV, I don't think I could ever go back to a TV for even Gran Turismo... using a good monitor definitely gives me an edge in online racing, plus a good internet connection helps, too. I wonder what the latency is on that gaming projector...gonna have to look now!
@@RaskalTheRabbit hmmm. I think even with the fastest monitor or zero latency - the console itself still has built in latency. In my setup it’s the console not the tv that causes most of the delay… in single player my breaking refs are a lot deeper than online, and on online they depend on the server. Ex If I play on a North American one they’re deeper/later than on European servers. I’m embarrassed to say It took me a long time to figure that out… on a positive note Xbox Series X has significantly less input delay that my One S did ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@jacohop regions make a massive difference, especially with consoles... when I race on my EMEA (Europe, Middle East, Africa) account in GT from Australia, even with the best possible internet connection (which isn't great here compared to many other countries), it looks slightly laggy to me, but to them sometimes I'm jumping all over the place. The good thing about that game is that when you're on the grid pre race, it shows you the quality of everyone's connection very clearly, so others, and yourself can take note. I personally just keep my distance and expect the occasional unexpected punt when racing closely, and give them the benefit of doubt. iRacing servers seem to be as good as one can reasonably expect in my experience, as I often team up with friends from Britain for endurance races... though it means I typically get stuck with the night racing.
What wheel settings are you running on the PS5? I have been tinkering with those as well but difficult to know exactly what the best combination of settings is
@@boostedmedia Oh damn... that makes it even more intriguing! How do we go about measuring that refresh rate? - There must be an overlay for that somewhere - but then again, this is PS5 :(
Hi Will, love your videos, I'm often showing people your set up, so they don't think I'm nuts for the $1000 I've spent on mine🤣 That said, I've lately been shopping projectors and noticed you've been using them, have you considered doing a review/tips/tricks/pointers video on buying and installing a projector episode?
Was this video recorded before or after the update on the 21st which improved the FFB on CSL Elite and DD Pro? Edit- Specifically the update for consoles on the 21st..
@@josephm3615 So you can compare apples to apples. In the video he stated that the difference in the feel of the FFB may be due to the FFB rate, with the PS5 at 60 Hz and the PC at 400 Hz. If you drop the PC rate down to 100 Hz (that's as low as mine shows it can go), then you can possibly see if the rate is the reason for the difference in feel. I'm not saying leave it there; just temporarily drop it to test the hypothesis.
The fact that you have to ask says that you already have your bias and are looking for confirmation of that bias. GT has always been a sim racer. The biggest difference between GT and PC sims has always been hardware, specifically the exclusivity of GT to the playstation console and the fact that other sim racers such as ACC can be played on PC. As playstation hardware has improved, GT titles have typically improved the physics model with each hardware iteration as it maintains the intention to deliver a realistic simulation of racing. From a gameplay standpoint, GT7 is what you might get if you were to combine the robust career options in the original Asetto Corsa and the competitive multiplayer of ACC and put them into a GT game. You can also repackage that statement to say that Asetto Corsa and ACC are like components of GT games made available for every platform. However you would like to phrase it, it is important to note that GT is made by a professional racer who heads the playstation studio and he has always created one of the more accurate sim physics models in gaming. To answer your question directly, yes GT is a sim, the difference between it and other sims is exclusivity to playstation consoles whereas ACC is multiplatform and iRacing is on PC
@@epicjapan8009 I’ve played GT7 and ACC. It’s not night and day as you seem to be suggesting. Using the DD Pro on both. Only difference is the FFB input in both. I get similar lap times at Spa in ACC and GT7.
@@nicko5237 the balance point of the car is wrong on GT7 - the handling just isn’t right. A bit of an oversimplification but, in GT7 the pivot point seems to be the front tires rather than the center of mass.
Ps5 console maximum ffb rate is 250hz. I don’t know if ACC uses this 250hz in game on console. But the Fanatec manual says when the base is in ps5 mode it’s refreshing at 250hz. If the game is running lower rate then it’s whatever the developer has set
How come no one is talking about Fanatec, CSL DDpro bundle not working, strait out of the box!!!! Ive been on the forum and can see there are numerous complaints with the same problem, and these have had to be pre ordered, 2 months prior, and to find that it doesnt work, and then to have zero response from them, well, its damn right appalling,..... and still waiting.
As someone who can't/ won't afford a PC, but has a ps5, would I be disappointed with acc ffb? I'm loving gt7 and how is ffb feels, and I know it's apples and oranges comparing gt and ac. But will the ffb feel as polished on acc ps5? I remember being very disappointed in wrc and dirt 2.0 ffb feel after playing a lot of gt sport on ps4. Just upgraded to the premium version dd pro(from a t300rsgt) and am looking to get the most out of it, but don't want to get let down by the ffb quality.
I haven't played the PC version. Running the ps5 version and my t300 feels like there's almost no feedback at all. Maybe it's the wheel, but I don't have the PC version to compare the same wheel.
Yep that’s definitely true. As I mentioned in the video I have no muscle memory with this setup which is a much bigger contributor to the lap times. Having a single projector dar away is wildly different from what I’m used to.
Good review.
Note that the PC version of ACC is at 1.8 with tire changes and on PS5 it is still at 1.7. This will make some difference in the FFB. I have ACC on PC and PS5 and before version 1.8, I almost didn't notice the difference.
jep... I immediately felt improvements with the big 1.8 Update
Interesting. I wonder when the PS5 will get this new update as well.
@@Schwing27 they said once around october/november
Yeap - that was when I was doing my comparisons and I didn't find a big difference in all 3 platforms. If anything, the Xbox version was the weakest.
Yeah, I think Ricardo hit the spot!
I also did notice a good difference on the FFB from 1.7 to 1.8. All that difference in detail mentioned on the video between PS5 and PC is exactly how I would describe the difference from 1.7 to 1.8 on pc. And I have a T300RS... so in direct drive must be felt even a bigger difference.
Be interesting to re-compare if/when the console version goes from 1.7 10 to ver 1.8, like the PC version is now.
Be better if they tested more wheels and actually just programmed the wheel settings to be optimized for each wheel base.
I agree when 1,8 comes out for ps5 then it should be revisited as I know the 1.8 are being programmed specifically for each console, hence the delay. Should be out this month. I suppose ultimately how much you have to spend on these things, if you spend 2 grand on a pc 1k on a rig and 900 on a wheel then I'd be hopping everything was much better. Taking out the 2k pc and replacing it with a 360 pounds ps5 it shouldn't be as good.
Just yesterday I did the same acc test on pc vs ps5 at home. my steering wheel is the TGT. With the same settings except the strength that on pc has to be lowered above 80 to be equal to 100 strength on ps5. I was testing almost 3 hours in batches of 30 minutes alternating all the time from PC to Ps5. I agree with everything that is talked about in the video, the sensations and the information that arrives at the wheel is better on PC, the sensations are better. for ps5 the feeling is more linear without so many nuances. once well used to both platforms the lap time at the end of the 3 hours was practically the same.
Just starting out… from a newbie… your channel has helped me so much… at this point I’m not making final decisions on upgrades until I check in with your great reviews… Thank you!!
This is an awesome video. It’s the kinda stuff nobody else does but is important to so many when making the decision of what to buy. Nice job Will 👍🏻
Great video! ... side note at 11:02ish you said your running the FULL 100nm 🤣🤣 that would be a wrist breaking wheelbase. It made laugh but I knew what you meant lol. I do love seeing these kind of unbiased comparisons thanks for sharing your experience with us
Wauww this is really great!!!! I am on Ps5 and was wondering about this. Thank you for doing this
Great video Will. I rencently switched from ps4 to PC with my G29 and honestly it was night and day. It feels so much better on PC.
Great video. Definitely answering a question I've asked.
I know PC users claimed the 1.8 update changed their force feedback experience for the better. Unfortunately PS5 hasn't received the ACC 1.8 update yet.
It would be awesome if you could do a little update to this video if it does.
Thanks for the great content.
Yep will do. I’m pretty sure the majority of the difference I’m feeling is down to the lower refresh rate on the FFB though. So I doubt it’ll change much. Hopefully I’m wrong.
@@boostedmedia 1.8 added 400hz refresh rate, so 1.8 should also be adding that.
@@Sideways_Singh 400hz is the polling rate for all the data about the physics, tyres and so on, video refresh rate and FFB are another thing.
Because we don’t know the actual physics refresh rate on nextgen console version, we can just speculate about improvements. Maybe the physics on consoles has a sort of frequency cap to not compromise video performance.
It will be interesting to see the full PS5 output support at 4K 120hz (video refresh rate), but I’m quite sure they ‘capped’ the pshysics calculations to have the 4K 60hz steady video performance.
I’m just saying, maybe I’m totally wrong 😅
Ciao! 😉
@@boostedmedia Hi Will, the 1.8 console version will get a 400HZ physics engine. The update is set for next week. Maybe you can try it out and share your opinion. I know you are very busy so take your time. Congrats on your dreamhouse. Well deserved!
Went from PS5 to PC and used quite a while to get up to speed. But def worth the grind getting into. Still PS5 is more than good enough if on a budget 😊
Currently embarking on the same path and wondering if you have any tip & info ? Thanks!
@@BA-rh5hy Happy to help out in any way I can. Any specifics you`re wondering about?
@@MrAlengold I’m debating on this since I’ve been enjoying it a lot more on ps5 since the update. I have a Sapphire RADEON R9 390 and most of the parts, just missing a monitor and a bigger pc case at the moment. Will the r9 390 hold up well running acc? Also can I use my 32inch tv as a monitor temporarily? Thanks
@@willy08bm Yes and Yes. ACC can still look really great at slightly lower settings too. You'll only be needing 60 FPS though, so is totally gonna run it fine.
@@charlesbeeman thanks for your reply. Ordering a case today to get it set. 👍
1.8 console update. Many of us are waiting patiently with building excitement. We all have only 9 days left till the major release what will change ACC gameplay a lot.
I’m from London UK and have been racing AC and ACC on PS4 and PS5. I’ve raced over 1000+ hours on AC and over 1000+hrs on ACC PS4 version. Now building up big time on PS5. Joined a league, 10TENTH RACING COMMUNITY,fantastic! True addict, aren’t you? Since release of ACC I had many serious problems with the game. And with every new update, with release of PS5 console, with new ACC console version I have felt a lot of new optimistic expectations followed by disappointment and a letdown from game developers. I’ve been lucky to always have a good FFB on my T300 Ferrari Alcantara edition and now DD1, but there were other problems what took a lot of nerve and patience. It’s hard to remember all the issues but there are few what stand out to me. For example not able to join multiplayer and the proposed fix was to delete my carefully selected 300 racing friends from AC and ACC. Of course I refused to do that and kept waiting till issue was fixed. That was a big wait but I used time to practice my racing in single player. Another problem is crashing Career. It crashed on three occasions trying to complete career endurance race of 3hours non stop racing. It crashed twice somewhere in last leg. Other day I completed the race, crossed finish line and while checking lap times game crashed not saving my career endurance progress. I was fuming! Another issue we all experienced was game simply crashing midrace, it happened a lot. So annoying and was makings me really angry when I had a good race. Then replay save crash needs to be looked at. Even now after all possible updates on PS5 software and ACC PS5 version updates I am experiencing game crashes, some DD1 disconnects, poor visuals as shading under cars, cars flickering. Other minor game bugs - Pit entrance notice issue, not able to use mapped buttons to look left/right as I can on AC version, no in cockpit turn indicators and headlighs LED’s. Sound issues after watching replay and rejoining track. One occation I had cockpit view flickering in career race, there was no flickering from outside view. Many gamers have poor FFB and other issues with game. The most major is game crashing and disconnects while racing leagues Championships. Over 2 years time since ACC console release game is not in a perfect state yet, but it’s playable and enjoyable. I wish there was more communication and a HELPING HAND between Kunos and UntoldGames who develops console version now. I wish thee was more communication from 505games what is distributor’s of console ACC. And I believe we console players deserve an APOLOGY from 505 games and Kunos for a big letdown because I believe game is not completed, it’s got many problems and is like in a beta version. We PS5 players are lucky to have both versions available to play side by side on PS5. I switch between PS5 and PS4 version because PS5 lobbies has small attendance numbers.
With 1.8 version PS5 and Xbox UntoldGames has to nail it. No excuses, it has to be perfection. Watching official Kunos ytube channel I learned Marcos, Aris and team still have that passion, they put a lot of effort developing PC 1.8 version what is a massive overhaul of ACC what changed already great game to something fascinating and they are proud of it. Would be shame if UntoldGames would do a poor job with console 1.8 version and drop all that KUNOS effort down in a mud. We don’t know what to expect precisely, announcement stated upgraded tyre model and 400hz + different liveries? We will see. Researching PC 1.8 update, numerous patch notes and reviews I learned about UPDATED rain visuals, rain tyre handling, rain track limits, cars BOP’s, reworked replay camera angles, mist and dew conditions, car night lights, bmw fuel consumption,there is so much more. PC 1.8 version is always updated. So which 1.8 version + latest update we console gamers will receive is not known yet. But it will change the game for sure.
Kudos. Had tried on both platforms, it is as what you said: the finer details are missing still, but the strength is there
A fanatec wheelbase settings would've been very helpful not just the In Game ffb settings as this would really indicate how good the overall game ffb for both platforms.
if anyone is interested, heres my wheelbase csl dd settings for baseline comparison as a starting point.
SEN: 1080
FFB: 100
FFS: LINEAR
NDP: 60
NFR: 100
NIN: 70
NIT: 1
FEI: 70
FOR: 100
SPR: OFF
DPR: 100
BRF: 50
BLI: 20
In Game
GAIN: 100
MIN FORCE: 0
DAMPER: 100
DYNAMIC DAMPING: 150
ROAD EFFECTS: 75
FREQ: 400hz
STEER LOCK: 1080
FFB MULTIPLIER: 1.5
Great video as usual but as others have said, a bit premature given 1.8 will be arriving on console soon. Would be interesting to compare when both platforms are on the same version of the game.
Interesting to see you had a similar experience with a direct drive wheel on a ps5. I just got my setup this weekend and definitely noticed a “numbness” or lack of tension from the wheel within the first 2 or 3 degrees of rotation from center. Its like that for every game on ps5
God dammit! This is so typical.. Last week I upgraded from csl elite to the Podium dd f1. Feeling disappointed about how bad ACC is on ps4(pro), specially after it turned out that the ps4 version of acc wasn’t receiving the same update, sooo I went on and got me a PC as well while I waited.
I then built a new rig using the exact same measurements as the Px-1, only I built it using wooden beams, painted black. Costed me like 100$, and there is absolutely no flex whatsoever.
First test drive today, and I have been smiling like a 5 year old for hours before being able to take a brake. I absolutely LOVE the feeling of immersion from the upgraded force feedback, not to mention the vast improvement in torque when going from csl elite’s 7nm peak to 20nm peak, using the podium wheelbase.
But then I get this RUclips notification on my phone, leading me to this video. I usually really enjoy your content, but today I actually wished I didn’t watch.
Now I’m sitting in the shower, crying, screaming and banging my head against the wall while I regret buying the podium, instead of getting me a Csl DD with its 100nm!!🤯@11:00😉
Thx fer being honest in the video n not turning it into a master race thing. I have both a PS5 n a high end PC. I'm not any faster on PC than I am on Console. I understand that consoles dont match up to what PCs r capable of but its also a fraction of the price. Honestly, my GPU alone cost more than a PS5... What do we all really expect out of this equation?
Yep agreed. For the price it does a good job!
PC is just a beast on its own level, thanx for the video Will…I felt the difference immediately switching to PC. Robotic feeling is the perfect way to describe it! Keep up the good work Will and crew!!!
Being a novice with the option to buy my sons pc........what do I need on the pc to make it good for sim racing....is it all about the graphics card and if so which one is need ...Tia
@@Kartvillian I have a 3070 but I’m sure you can get by with much less! Frame rate is the biggest difference going back to console….I feel spoiled :)) I’ve always been for performance oppose to quality, hope this helps!
I don’t think this is necessarily correct. I played ACC on PC and my PS5 this weekend… it literally felt the same. I did not compare lap times, I will try that and see.
As always great video 💪
Just noticed on other user videos ACC got update on ps5 and 400hz setting is present so just wonder are details improved and if how they fifteen now days.
I use the Fanatec GT DD Pro with loadcell and Boost kit, and though I'm primarily a Gran Turismo fan, I do play ACC and iRacing as well.
I own ACC on both, and agree completely with everything you said. I have managed to get my PS5 times down to within 0.4-5 seconds on the PS5, but yeah, the fidelity simply isn't there.
The only real difference is I only have the GT wheel at present, and run an old Threadripper 2950x, 64gb DDR4 3200, 2080TI... plan to upgrade at the end of the year when the Ryzen 9 7000 series CPU's and Nvidia 40 series GPU's are available.
Great video, very focused and on point. Great job as usual Will!
Also, I'd love to be able to have just a short DM/whatever with you if possible.
Thanks, Kev.
Shoot me a message over on discord mate :) will reply when I can.
@@boostedmedia when I try it doesn't let me...I did send a Discord Friend request a while back.
Strange. Sorry. I have hundreds of friend requests. Maybe shoot me an email through the website contact form then :)
@@boostedmedia coolies, thx.
Assuming you have GT7. What do you think of it compared to ACC as far as FFB and details in the wheel? I got GT7, but I don’t have a wheel yet. I plan on having the same setup as you soon.
I have the xsx and the pc version of the game. My times are the same and cannot discern force feedback detail difference at all.
Could you redo this comparison since the update v1.8 is out on the ps5 now?
Someone who creates sim racing videos for a living should be more informed to know that the PC version of ACC is updated to 1.8.12 whereas PS5 currently is running 1.7 and the 1.8 update for ACC was a HUUUGE update which changed everything and people had to completely change their setups and how they drove the cars probably should've waited until both platforms are running the same version but thats just me. Also the pressures of your car was all over the show not even optimum tire pressure some not even reaching 27 psi you want to be aiming for 27.5/7 pressures in this game its the first thing you have to learn without that basic 101 you wont reach peak performance on track and your car will feel like ass, would be nice if you could get a some good setups for the chosen car and a track which does these types of testing that way you will know the subtle differences and do some proper laps with the same equipment that way youll have a good understanding of the differences.
Could also be fact your locked to 60fps on consoles we're as pc cab get well over 100 fps I noticed it coming from wrc 10 on ps5 to the pc fps makes big difference because on wrc 10 I was doing stage on ps5 and I went pc and knocked 3sec off my time on 1st run on pc
Where was this a week ago? Did you miss the first update thrill ride? 😂😂👍
Liking the way you've cut you picture into the video. Looks great.
This is a great idea for a video btw.
A week ago I was busy with other content
Have you guys redone this now that ps5 has 400 refresh rate on the wheel?
im just happy that people on console can experience a good proper sim experience :)
100%
I just went from xbox to pc this weekend and I didn't notice a difference on ACC with a G920.
The big difference was the update that I couldn't get on my older xbox.
Logicrap. You need to save up for a few months and buy a csl dd. Not trying to be a smart ads but Logitech is so garbage. I went from g920 to the thrustmaster tx to a csw2.5 now. Fanatec is 20x better
good video, i think me and many others would appreciate a review of the new versions of the moza racing pedals. please do this review
Good video Will, can you share your wheel base settings?
Going from Assetto Corsa (Original) on console to PC on a G29 I could feel the difference even on the gear driven wheel though that game didn't get the best support on Console. Currently Assetto Corsa Comp is part of PS Extra which is nice way to try if you want and only have a PS5 but also currently in Steam sale is it on special if you have a capable PC.
Hey thanks for the video. Could you post your wheelbase (gt dd pro) settings you were using in the video on ps5 please.
I’m using the ones fanatac posted on their website.
Also couldn’t leave my gain on 100 after the update. Wheel was way too heavy. Using 60 now without clipping.
Keep up your great vids.
Grtz from Belgium.
I'm also interested in the settings.
Me too (without #)
Acc on pc is amazing. Tried yesterday the new dlc, that Porsche cup car with no tc is a beast. So fun to drive.
Agree, got 2 days on the content and my csl dd packed up.. 😔
Just got into Sim Racing on ps5 with a G29. I know its not the greatest wheel but research told me it was good starter wheel. I starting to throw down a little consistency but have yet to complete a full consistent lap according to the log in the upper right corner. What is the best settings for using a g29 in ACC on ps5. Thanks love the channel!
Do you think the difference is down to consoles being on build 1.7xx where as PC is 1.8?
Mate can u do one with graphics compare especially with the 1.8 update. And maybe show what a pc can do with reshader mods etc
LITERALLY THE VIDEO I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR. For us poor folk on console
I just want to say that the ffb is currently bugged on xbox series and ps5, after the “patch” last Monday. It makes the whole ffb less detailed than it was before this “patch”.
interesting. PS5 is just a mid-spec'd PC and I would not think FFB would be noticeably different with the same wheel and same code. High-end PC will give higher framerates (and responsiveness) and graphics fidelity. The code difference would be a significant factor rather than just the somewhat condescending "what do you expect from a console?".
@@jaseo no it was great before the last patch, but it’s just bugged since last monday.
Ive found the ffb became much stronger since the update... as fir the detail i cant tell the difference yet
thanks alot for that nice and informative video, May I ask you if its possible to share the wheel Settings you have changed to get a good experience with ACC on the PS5? Thanks in advance and have a nice one ;)
I've been doing lap after lap of different circuits and I'm consistently 2 seconds a lap slower than the usual PC ACC youtube streamers. I'm on PS5. I've got my wheel dialled in quite well and car setups as best suited as I can and its always the same. No matter what I try it's always 2 seconds on any circuit.
DD pro, porsche gt3 podium wheel and v3 pedals.
I have the same issue. I think trail braking is the answer. I am awaiting my delivery of the csl DD and load cell pedal. I am going to learn how to trail brake when they arrive as the old Logitech doesn't lend itself to trail braking very well.
It is a real shame that the PS5/SeriesX versions of ACC are not running an identical engine to the PC version. A big chance for cross-play has been missed.
They said something about way too many variables to take into consideration for cross play and it’s pulsar be worth it, I can’t remember the exact words but that’s what I saw somewhere about ACC
I was just about to see is crossplay was available on this game. Thanks for saving me some time.
They could do crossplay between consoles at least.
Out of all games available, it would make perfect sense to make racing titles cross play and I hope to see it in the future titles.
@@BA-rh5hy yea it would have been great, and it would mean more lobbies.
Would also be cool to have someone you work with set this up in a blind study fashion (after 1.8 is released on ps5), so then you come in and test each one separately without being told what platform you are playing on. Would require the PC version to be set to 60fps output and probably some minor graphical tweaks, but could stay at 400hz polling rate.
This should be done once the console versions are up to par with the PC version on both series x and ps5 we have nothing but issues since the update many also lose all FFB during races. It's just a hot mess through and through.
Have the issues you talk of been fixed yet I’m have a Series X hoping it has been patched
@@magz9816 lots has been fixes since my post but now the end of May updates are pushed to September was hoping yo see the 1.8 version sooner rather than later not to mention the new dlc we won't get until end of year.
@@taxi615 Thanks for your response can I ask how’s the FFB now
@@magz9816 it's been great as far as I'm concerned
@@taxi615
Would you be so kind to share your FFB settings? In game and on the fanatec wheel.
Thanks a million!!
I’m currently on PS5 and Series X. I am really tempted to get a decent PC for sim racing and Flight Sim 🤔
Worth it, especially since you got the other two. Just plan accordingly and you'll be enjoying your 3 game rotation. I do the same but with my ps5 and switch.
Go for it! And Add the Quest 2 and a PC-Link to your thoughts. Simulations in VR with decent Sim-Hardware blows your Mind!
@@Timlaut wow one thing at a time 🤣 I’m not made of money 🤣
@@BL00MYB0Y Sim Racing in VR is cheaper than three screens. 300 Bucks and 50 for the Link. Only downside: there are less Sim Racing Games that support VR than these who Support three screens.
But After ACC you don’t even want to play something different.
@@Timlaut I can imagine. I’ve played GTSport in VR and even that looks fantastic. 🤔 Don’t need as much space and wall sockets for VR over Triples either
Boostkit really gives a massive boost. 11:00 - "Full 100 Nm" ^^,
More and more makes me want to invest in a gaming PC or Laptop. Had the fortune to play modded AC on a gaming laptop with refreshed graphics upgrades and in VR was blown away at how much better a driving experience it is than on TV or a PS5. Kinda regret buying the PS5 now.
Try to avoid gaming laptops if you can. Terrible performance compared to a desktop of the same price.
good video - the findings didn't come as a surprise to me though. I like the camera bit with you driving with a nice transparent background. Something maybe quite cosmetic but intrigued me... as a content creator for a very specific target audience like sim racers, do you think your video thumbnails really do matter (i.e. thumbnail can be affecting a better view rate)? I can see a trend in the mainstream youtube and how almost all thumbnails follow the same pattern. However, we all know sim racing is a bit of a special cookie with its own rules or quirks ;)
The nice thing is, in theory, an update can possibly eliminate any and all discrepancies between PC and Console game play.
Thank you so much for this 👏👏
Just picked up ACC in the ps store sale for £12 with a free ps5 upgrade 👌🏻 happy days
This video and ACC + DLC currently on sale in Steam pretty much pushed me to getting ACC for PC than my PS5. Now I just need my GT DD Pro to be delivered.
Ps5 is ver 1.7 pc is ver 1.8. Many Changes were made to improve ffb in 1.8. So this comparison is a waste of time till 1.8 arrives
Series x here , 1.8.10 .4 version still the same , not improved at least on ts xw , maybe on direct drive
I'm enjoying it on PC and PS5. Base game on console. All DLC on PC. It's cheaper. I normally just have a quick blast on console. After playing something else.
Great review. Interesting to do the same test with the latest version?
Thank you for this, as I’m still holding off on a PC and am dying to get into sim racing but was unsure about the quality when switching from PS5 to PC. Knowing that the wheel feels better on PC makes me want to pull the trigger on a rig I can play until PC parts come down in price.
Get stuck in Matt! Les goooo
Definitely better on PC... though I'm in a similar situation. My PC can play sims just fine, but since I upgraded my monitors, Elgato etc to 4K because of the PS5, even my old Threadripper 2950x, 64gb, 2080TI is now struggling. It was a beast nearly 4 years ago, but with everything going 4K... though I'm still better off than many who are waiting for prices to drop, so I can't really complain.
I'm currently saving hard so I can afford the top end Ryzen 9 7000 CPU & Nvidia 40 series GPU when they (hopefully) release at the end of this year.
The Fanatec GT DD Pro with loadcell and Boost kit is definitely great value for money as well.
Just read in the news today that the US has lifted certain sanctions off China in the trade dispute, and that it should mean a further reduction in computer component prices. 🤞
@@RaskalTheRabbit the prices have been coming down lately but not enough yet, especially with the new hardware dropping later this year, I am aiming to build a Ryzen 9 5950x with a Nvidia 30 series GPU once the new hardware drops as hopefully it’ll bring the prices down further
On the Nurburgring I would diliberately drive the carousel badly to see what sort of feedback I got when ever I got new hardware or updates.
I have both pc and PS5 versions of the sim. Using the same Thrustmaster T-GT wheel and LCM pedals I noticed the PC version had more fidelity but the PS5 had stronger default ffb. Even setting the ffb to 100 on the PC it still wasn't as strong as the PS5 version.
I feel like this muddys the water when it comes to the fidelity on the PS5. My lap times with default aggressive setup on both mediums are almost the same.
Hey mate!
I switched my TGT & T-LCM to the Fanatec GT DD Pro with loadcell and Boost kit, and it's made a huge difference with non GT titles, both PS5 and especially PC, particularly ACC. Probably because ACC have close ties with Fanatec.
It's been just over a month now, and the only thing I'm still slightly adjusting to is the loadcell difference... the Fanatec feel with the CSL pedals is a completely different feel... it may be a single choice 60kg, but I have to use more force than I did with the T-LCM at near 100kg. I wouldn't say the feel is better, just different. The build quality is way better though. And the wheel and base is significantly better all around.
Definitely worth the switch if you can afford it IMO, especially if you're switching between Console and PC often.
For the 1 week I played Sport before GT7 was released, I was beating my PB's by 0.1-2 secs.
Hope you, Furbs and the crew are all going well, say G'day to them for me!
@@RaskalTheRabbit Brother! Great to hear from you!
If I could afford it I would make the switch haha. Furbs has the Elite and even though the build is next level compared to the T-GT and LCM pedals he can't get good ffb out of ACC on pc, ps4 and PS5. Very week compared to iRacing and GTS/GT7. So next for me will probably be a DD wheel. One day haha.
I'll pass on the best wishes to the boys. Hope you are doing well.
@@CSTBFO_jad yeah, I've always preferred lighter FFB anyway, I don't think I ever go above 4nm or so... the fidelity is something else though.
My GP is actually buying my old TGT & T-LCM (+T3pa's) for his grandson, and asked me today to find a stand for them. Plus he wants to pay me to be his coach for 6 months... he's giving me $5k cash for that and 24 1 hour lessons over a year! I told him half that is more than enough, but he insisted. The kid (14) has watched some of my old videos and wants me to teach him, so, yeah. Kinda humbling tbh.
the added ffb strength on the ps5 might be because the default preset is set to 100% in strength whereas my t300 is on 70-80% on my pc. not 100% sure if this is what is actually happening I just figured the ps5 firmware for thrustmaster wheels might be configured a bit differently to pc
@@nuztuz903 It was the same on PS4. Default FFB stronger than PC version at 100. Yeh might be something unique to TGT or Thrustmaster wheel bases in general. The good thing is you don't have to flip the GT switch to Other Mode anymore if you want play ACC. On PS4 I had to disconnect the TGT from the console, flick the switch and then reconnect to get acc to even recognise the wheel.
Force Feedback is very much a "flavor" kind of thing. Everyone likes it a little different. Some may say the feeling is better on PS5 compared to PC, others will favor the PC. Even with the same exact settings.
True. That’s why I tried to keep it to the objective differences.
Nice video. Also, it would be very interesting to have a similar force feedback comparison on same game same base but different wheel (like the original dd pro wheel vs the porsche wheel vs other fanatec one). How does they compare on force feedback aspect and feeling, as they are different size, weight, shape...
Great video, I use PS5 with Fanatec Podium/DD1 Wheelbase, mostly for dirt rally 2.0 but ACC is my go to track sim. I love it and the fidelity feels incredible to me, I'm a little surprised by the refresh rate being different when the USB 3.0 bus is obviously the same as you'd get speed wise on a high end PC, so must be down to software. People question sometimes why I don't PC sim race but budget is an important factor with high end PCs being 3-4 times more expensive than the £450 RRP of a PS5, I also feel console titles are way more reliable and therefore less stress when sim racing, on more than one occasion I've won some local motorclub dirt rally club championships because my closest competitor had Windoze crash him out (no restarts allowed), where as I get 100% reliability. Cheers!
I was just having this debate. I already have a PS5 but building a dedicated sim racing rig I was considering a PC. However trying to get a decent spec PC is considerably more expensive and more complicated. My son's racing is the primary reason for this and a console is far simpler for him to get booted up and racing without other issues so in end I've bought a second PS5 to go in the rig which still gives access to some great racing games. A bit further down the line I will probably go the PC route. I'm sure PC is better if you are an expert sim racer, but we are just getting into it so I'm not sure we'll get an extra 1-2k value out of an expensive gaming PC...
May I ask you, at the time you’ve recorded this vid what screen/monitor you played on.
I’m trying to find the best screen/monitor when racing on NLR GT-Track and my ps5
Thanks in advance ✌🏻
Hi,on the video was very interesting,and I’m also curious if telemetry on that wheel (lap time ecc.) works also on PS5?Do you remember it?Thanks
Surprised you weren’t getting clipping with the FFB on 100/100? I have to run mine on 70 in game and 75 on base otherwise it clips, especially in places like Craner Curves.
Obviously could’ve been an update since I ran the CSL DD on my rig back just before Christmas.
I was surprised by that too.
There’s no way he wasn’t.
if there is a difference, than its a programmers decision, not a problem of missing power.
Great video and comments here. I am seriously considering to give ACC a try since things in GT7 are still a mess. I use a T-GT wheel and T-LCM pedals. Planning on the PS5 version since it does not require a big initial investment… after that is all goes well, migrate your a PC. Thoughts?
I'm also wanting to migrate to PC. I have GT DD Pro and started on GT7 but tried ACC and really enjoy that it's more a true racing sim
gread video as always! i`m curios on your simucube setup, do you run the same amount of road effects or any at all?
great review.. thanks!
Just bought a G923 few weeks ago for the PS5.
I've been playing GT7, how does ACC compare?
Great vid. How’d you get the wheel and ps5 to sync up. I got a weird slight delay on my g923 n ps5.
A similar comparison to this, using the DD1/DD2 on consoles and comparing them to PC would be informative
We don’t have the PS compatible version of the DD1 or an Xbox unfortunately.
I use a DD1 podium on both platforms, I found I needed to run more FFB strength on ps5 to get the detail compairble to pc.
My son recently sold his GT DD (he was previously bludging on my rig) because after using my DD1 he just wasn't happy with the GT DD, we found we had to almost exclusively run it close to max ffb and also found that the ffb was quite vague in the 1st 20odd deg off centre and therefore found it difficult to "feel" car balance on initial turn entry.
@@hughxthexhand maybe shouldve tried csv compatability mode. also, usually the wheels are worse from the start because of software, and get better over time
@@hughxthexhand thank you for this mate, so the DD1 is definitely worth buying on PS5? I was worried that PS5 would bottleneck it and that it would be overkill until I build a decent PC.
@@boostedmedia what a community by the way, each comment I have posted has been met with helpful replies.
Hi, great video. Can you share the settings you used in the wheel? Thnx in advance. Grtz Maarten
Check Fanatec’s recommended settings on their forum.
Hi, love your vids, I have the ps5 version with DD pro and love it, not had the pleasure of trying the pc version. Just curious if this the ps5 version is after the latest patch which made a big difference and also noticed the gain needs to be down between 50-60 to get all the detail but still retain ffb strength, 100 had alot of clipping for me.
Keep up the great work
Yep this was with the latest update.
Love the vids, where do the red mounts for your wheel base come from? I got the DD pro with a next level fgt rig and the angle of the wheel is too flat for me I need some pitch adjustment. I can’t find those red bracket/mounts anywhere :). Thanks!!
Hi Will great video as usual.. Maybe the difference is also that ps5 doesn't have 1.8 update yet that PC has.. Also what settings did you set at wheel base for ps5? And something irrelevant..and also a complain to Kunos.. Because I drive mostly mc720s why the heck has cockpit mirror on board on pc and not on ps5 ? It had it at the beginning of the game and now it's off 😂
Any reason you did not adjust the dynamic dampening to zero as you did with the PC?
2:15 are you blind? It 100 there and 100 in PS5. Damper was 0 because PS5 dont have this.
I run 2.18.3s on series x. I am excited to get the 1.8 update when it comes but I agree no matter what they do if the console stays at less than 400hz it will still be lacking compared to pc. I've played on both but run on console normally as my computer is dead. I love this sim regardless where I race
Also I have heard that next gen are at 120hz as well as 60hz so I don't know what it actually is but it's definitely a lower refresh rate than pc.
in any other sim if you drive with so much understeer your fronts will be on fire within a lap :D
Oh man. Your driving on console mercifully reminded me of mine and it’s nice to know perhaps the hardware has at least some responsibility there.
I did the math once and the input lag on console translates to between something like 4 and 12 meters distance depending on your speed. So, on slow corners aim 4m “too soon” and even earlier on fast corners and you’ll find hitting apexes much easier. (I was using lap guides to find breaking points but could never break as late as I saw in the videos and the math explained it…. When I stopped to think about it after a few months 😅)
Anyway Tl;DR: I think input lag is the #1 discrepancy between pc and console and I feel like it’s very likely you’ll find most of the difficulty lies there rather than the ffb fidelity.
The only solace is that you race against others dealing with the same issue so it’s an even playing field at least. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Been following you through your journey since early covid and dig your work. Great vid !
Edit : those numbers were for input lag in multiplayer servers. It’s still there in single player but a bit less (still a lot more than on pc I hear)
Yeah, I've found I'm breaking earlier on the PS5 as well, so I'd have to agree lag plays a big part... and I'm using an ASUS ROG STRIX XG43UQ 4K monitor, not a TV, I don't think I could ever go back to a TV for even Gran Turismo... using a good monitor definitely gives me an edge in online racing, plus a good internet connection helps, too.
I wonder what the latency is on that gaming projector...gonna have to look now!
@@RaskalTheRabbit hmmm. I think even with the fastest monitor or zero latency - the console itself still has built in latency. In my setup it’s the console not the tv that causes most of the delay… in single player my breaking refs are a lot deeper than online, and on online they depend on the server. Ex If I play on a North American one they’re deeper/later than on European servers.
I’m embarrassed to say It took me a long time to figure that out…
on a positive note Xbox Series X has significantly less input delay that my One S did ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@jacohop regions make a massive difference, especially with consoles... when I race on my EMEA (Europe, Middle East, Africa) account in GT from Australia, even with the best possible internet connection (which isn't great here compared to many other countries), it looks slightly laggy to me, but to them sometimes I'm jumping all over the place. The good thing about that game is that when you're on the grid pre race, it shows you the quality of everyone's connection very clearly, so others, and yourself can take note. I personally just keep my distance and expect the occasional unexpected punt when racing closely, and give them the benefit of doubt.
iRacing servers seem to be as good as one can reasonably expect in my experience, as I often team up with friends from Britain for endurance races... though it means I typically get stuck with the night racing.
What wheel settings are you running on the PS5? I have been tinkering with those as well but difficult to know exactly what the best combination of settings is
Very curious as to the console FFB refresh rate. Wasn't able to find any documentation either.
Yeah. It’s strange. I can only assume it’s 60Hz.
@@boostedmedia Perhaps down to the cables used to connect to the PS5?
Or are we using the same cables with both PC and PS5? Just a silly thought ;-)
Same cables. Literally all the hardware was identical even down to the output device.
@@boostedmedia Oh damn... that makes it even more intriguing!
How do we go about measuring that refresh rate? - There must be an overlay for that somewhere - but then again, this is PS5 :(
Hi Will, love your videos, I'm often showing people your set up, so they don't think I'm nuts for the $1000 I've spent on mine🤣
That said, I've lately been shopping projectors and noticed you've been using them, have you considered doing a review/tips/tricks/pointers video on buying and installing a projector episode?
We reviewed the one we’re using recently :)
What is the red wheel mount you are using on the DD pro?
Good question. Where can we get those please?
Hey Will/boosted. Would you mind sharing the settings on the base when you are playing PS?
Thought the NLR F-GT wasn't recommended for Direct Drive wheels? Looking at some of your comments on the FGT review.
It’s not. This is an FGT Elite.
@@boostedmedia awesome. Thanks!
nice video, would these settings work well with a basic ThrustMaster t150 or do you have any good settings for that wheel?
Was this video recorded before or after the update on the 21st which improved the FFB on CSL Elite and DD Pro?
Edit- Specifically the update for consoles on the 21st..
It would have been interesting to see how it felt on PC if you dropped the PC FFB refresh rate down to more closely match what the PS5 can do.
Why would you do that? Makes no sense
@@josephm3615 So you can compare apples to apples. In the video he stated that the difference in the feel of the FFB may be due to the FFB rate, with the PS5 at 60 Hz and the PC at 400 Hz. If you drop the PC rate down to 100 Hz (that's as low as mine shows it can go), then you can possibly see if the rate is the reason for the difference in feel. I'm not saying leave it there; just temporarily drop it to test the hypothesis.
No point unless we know what the rate on the PS5 actually is
Why didnt you put in your fanatec settings?
Great video as always! I would really love to see a GT7 physics comparison to ACC or RF2. everyone is calling GT7 a sim. But is it really? Thanks!!
The fact that you have to ask says that you already have your bias and are looking for confirmation of that bias. GT has always been a sim racer. The biggest difference between GT and PC sims has always been hardware, specifically the exclusivity of GT to the playstation console and the fact that other sim racers such as ACC can be played on PC. As playstation hardware has improved, GT titles have typically improved the physics model with each hardware iteration as it maintains the intention to deliver a realistic simulation of racing. From a gameplay standpoint, GT7 is what you might get if you were to combine the robust career options in the original Asetto Corsa and the competitive multiplayer of ACC and put them into a GT game. You can also repackage that statement to say that Asetto Corsa and ACC are like components of GT games made available for every platform. However you would like to phrase it, it is important to note that GT is made by a professional racer who heads the playstation studio and he has always created one of the more accurate sim physics models in gaming. To answer your question directly, yes GT is a sim, the difference between it and other sims is exclusivity to playstation consoles whereas ACC is multiplatform and iRacing is on PC
Not a sim - not even close. Unfortunately still more like their older titles.
@@epicjapan8009
What makes GT7 not a sim.......this should be good?
@@epicjapan8009 I’ve played GT7 and ACC. It’s not night and day as you seem to be suggesting. Using the DD Pro on both. Only difference is the FFB input in both. I get similar lap times at Spa in ACC and GT7.
@@nicko5237 the balance point of the car is wrong on GT7 - the handling just isn’t right. A bit of an oversimplification but, in GT7 the pivot point seems to be the front tires rather than the center of mass.
Ps5 console maximum ffb rate is 250hz.
I don’t know if ACC uses this 250hz in game on console. But the Fanatec manual says when the base is in ps5 mode it’s refreshing at 250hz. If the game is running lower rate then it’s whatever the developer has set
Possibly. Although that doesn’t necessarily mean the game is utilising all available bandwidth.
@@boostedmedia
Yes agree. Would be interesting to hear from Kunos regarding the ffb polling rate
I played F1 2021 on PC and Xbox Series X (CSL DD & F1 Wheel). No Challenge for the PC. EVERYTHING works better on PC.
I'm just looking forward to receiving my GT DD Pro from fanatec. Big time Forza fan and Gran Turismo etc.
How come no one is talking about Fanatec, CSL DDpro bundle not working, strait out of the box!!!! Ive been on the forum and can see there are numerous complaints with the same problem, and these have had to be pre ordered, 2 months prior, and to find that it doesnt work, and then to have zero response from them, well, its damn right appalling,..... and still waiting.
ACC 1.8 update is coming to consoles end of September. 29/9/2022 Interesting if FFB will change.
As someone who can't/ won't afford a PC, but has a ps5, would I be disappointed with acc ffb? I'm loving gt7 and how is ffb feels, and I know it's apples and oranges comparing gt and ac. But will the ffb feel as polished on acc ps5? I remember being very disappointed in wrc and dirt 2.0 ffb feel after playing a lot of gt sport on ps4. Just upgraded to the premium version dd pro(from a t300rsgt) and am looking to get the most out of it, but don't want to get let down by the ffb quality.
I've tested 3 bases on Ps5 and PC, I found the Ps5 was far superior on strength and giving information on all of them.
Thanks for the great video!
I wonder, if the granular detail in FFB on PC disappears as soon as the frequency on PC is set to 60hz.
Going to experiment with exactly that. Would just like to try and figure out what the actual sample rate on the PS5 is first.
@@boostedmedia Please allow one follow up question. Do you experience any clipping with the setting like gain at 100 and the road effects at 70?
I haven't played the PC version. Running the ps5 version and my t300 feels like there's almost no feedback at all. Maybe it's the wheel, but I don't have the PC version to compare the same wheel.
@BoostedMedia, can you retest PS5 now with the tire model and 400hz update?
I have no idea how the ffb feels in AC, but those understeer and missed apex could have been caught by sight without the need for any other cue.
Yep that’s definitely true. As I mentioned in the video I have no muscle memory with this setup which is a much bigger contributor to the lap times. Having a single projector dar away is wildly different from what I’m used to.