Thanks for uploading this video! Learning about mixer inserts and split TRS cables is a potential A HA moment just waiting to happen for new players! 😄👍
@@BryanDumaguina You are welcome! Can you tell me about that (potentially 3D printed) joystick you have mounted to your MS-70CDR? That looks very handy.
Very good tutorial! Question - For home karaoke (played via RUclips), mixer with 2 mics (channels 1-2), if I want add external reverb and compressor, is it better to connect directly to channels 1-2, or use fx send? Obviously the song/karaoke played from RUclips already has been mixes/mastered. Does not make sense to add reverb/compression on top of that. Thanks!
Thanks! Time based effects are usually placed on FX sends or AUX sends - if you want both mics on channel 1 and 2 to get the same reverb (on the one fx unit) - IMO that's the way to go. It can also work via inserts, but you'd need two external fx units - one for each vocal mic. 🙃
MENTAL BuZZ Bryanie Ive been locked out of my channel for 3 weeks and only got it back an hour ago n during my Blackout ive been watching loads of Tutorials just like This one , which by the way is EXACTLY What ive been looking for .... Again and only in the last few days ive Totally Reset ALL My synth and Mixer settings as i was miles off with mine and have FINNALY Solved my Dodgy sound issues id already recorded the vid i just released last week so hopefully my next will sound totally different Thanks for your wicked tutorials bro. They REALLY Help me
Thank you for the clear explanation. How can we use those external device for the whole mixing board instead of just one channel? I hope you make a video for that.
Thank you! It's in the pipeline! But the concept is the same if you have INSERTs on the Main Outputs. Insert your outboard gear there and the entire mix will get processed. Alternatively, you can use the AUX sends (as I mentioned, video in the pipeline!)
The current problem is that one doesn't have many affordable and good options for external effects processors on the market, except for the very expensive and complex effects processors. On the other hand, if you are thinking of using effect pedals, think again. Effects pedals are design to use instrument levels and their inputs have high impedance, whilst the mixingboards uses uses line level signals, which are stronger than instrument levels. This forces you to use revamping devices, to bring the levels down and, ultimately affects the sound signature. In order to properly use external effects units with mixing desks, you have to use the aux send and return paths and you have to work at line level. The moment you bring up a microphone signal or instrument signal to line level, you keep it there and any further processing has to happen at line level.
You'll need an inset cable like this, TRS that terminates tip on male xlr and ring that terminates on female xlr. Provided your outbound gear utilizes male on input and female on output. www.designacable.com/neutrik-xlr-insert-cable-tip-send.html Kind of custom, quite hard to find with my quick search, easier to build if you're handy with a soldering iron.
The problem is that one doesn't have many affordable and good options for external effects processors on the current market, except for the very expensive and complex effects processors. Many good manufacturers, sadly, discontinued their rack effects processor lineup, either becayse of greed or because they wrongly assumed that almost anyone will use conputers to mix inside the box. On the other hand, if you are thinking of using effect pedals, think again. Effects pedals are designed to use instrument levels and their inputs have high impedance, whilst the mixingboards uses uses line level signals, which are stronger than instrument levels. This forces you to use revamping devices, to bring the levels down and, ultimately affects the sound signature. In order to properly use external effects units with mixing desks, you have to use the aux send and return paths and you have to work at line level. The moment you bring up a microphone signal or instrument signal to line level, you keep it there and any further processing has to happen at line level.
You can insert the outboard gear via the Master Output Inserts, this particular analog mixer has a pair of inserts on the main output. Or you can connect the outboard gear via the auxiliary outputs and return back through the pair of stereo returns (Stereo 1 or Stereo 2). You have more control over the reverb mix with the second option.
@@DonnyEscorpeso Just checked your mixer, the base model MG12, has no channel inserts actually. Neither on the input channels or the main output. You do have a pair of auxiliary sends (AUX 1 and AUX 2) . You can send out time-based effects through there, and then return via the return channels (you can say 9/10 or 11/12 as return channels). I think sending time-based effects is actually best via aux sends and not inserts, what I did in the video was just an example. 😄Using mixer auxiliaries is another video I'll be making soon, that's a different video. You can definitely search here at RUclips, I'm pretty sure you'll find something.
thank you for this great example of inserts and mixers. The mixer I have has compressors built in on 16 channels and reverb for all channels with 20 presets! its the Mackie ProFX30v3. Do you have any experience with this brand and mixer? Sgt Boudreau
if your trs Y cable is not marked...with most modern cheap mulyimeters that have continuity tesrting...you easily figure it out. I've had to test mine a few time...i always forget. it makes me feel like i know what i'm doing haha
![BLACK BAG - Official Trailer [HD] - Only in Theaters March 14](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Du0Xp8WX_7I/mqdefault.jpg)
Thanks for uploading this video! Learning about mixer inserts and split TRS cables is a potential A HA moment just waiting to happen for new players! 😄👍
Thank you Haze!
@@BryanDumaguina You are welcome! Can you tell me about that (potentially 3D printed) joystick you have mounted to your MS-70CDR? That looks very handy.
@@HazeAnderson Oh sure! They're local to me, but last I read they cater to international customers now!
ninjafoxengineering.com/collections/wingman
Thankyou for representing it in practical.
Excellent explanation
Great explanation!!
EXELLENT VIDEO Bryan ..REALLY Useful content Bro.
@jaffajenkins thank you man!
Very good tutorial!
Question -
For home karaoke (played via RUclips), mixer with 2 mics (channels 1-2), if I want add external reverb and compressor, is it better to connect directly to channels 1-2, or use fx send?
Obviously the song/karaoke played from RUclips already has been mixes/mastered. Does not make sense to add reverb/compression on top of that.
Thanks!
Thanks! Time based effects are usually placed on FX sends or AUX sends - if you want both mics on channel 1 and 2 to get the same reverb (on the one fx unit) - IMO that's the way to go.
It can also work via inserts, but you'd need two external fx units - one for each vocal mic. 🙃
MENTAL BuZZ Bryanie Ive been locked out of my channel for 3 weeks and only got it back an hour ago n during my Blackout ive been watching
loads of Tutorials just like This one , which by the way is EXACTLY What ive been looking for .... Again and only in the last few days ive Totally Reset
ALL My synth and Mixer settings as i was miles off with mine and have FINNALY Solved my Dodgy sound issues id already recorded the vid i just released last week so hopefully my next will sound totally different Thanks for your wicked tutorials bro. They REALLY Help me
Amazing explination thank you!
Thank you for the clear explanation. How can we use those external device for the whole mixing board instead of just one channel? I hope you make a video for that.
Thank you! It's in the pipeline! But the concept is the same if you have INSERTs on the Main Outputs. Insert your outboard gear there and the entire mix will get processed. Alternatively, you can use the AUX sends (as I mentioned, video in the pipeline!)
@@BryanDumaguina appreciated!
The current problem is that one doesn't have many affordable and good options for external effects processors on the market, except for the very expensive and complex effects processors.
On the other hand, if you are thinking of using effect pedals, think again. Effects pedals are design to use instrument levels and their inputs have high impedance, whilst the mixingboards uses uses line level signals, which are stronger than instrument levels. This forces you to use revamping devices, to bring the levels down and, ultimately affects the sound signature.
In order to properly use external effects units with mixing desks, you have to use the aux send and return paths and you have to work at line level.
The moment you bring up a microphone signal or instrument signal to line level, you keep it there and any further processing has to happen at line level.
Thanks For Sharing , New Subscriber Sir Bryan, Nice Mixing Console
If my outboard gear uses XLR, how do i go about it?
You'll need an inset cable like this, TRS that terminates tip on male xlr and ring that terminates on female xlr. Provided your outbound gear utilizes male on input and female on output.
www.designacable.com/neutrik-xlr-insert-cable-tip-send.html
Kind of custom, quite hard to find with my quick search, easier to build if you're handy with a soldering iron.
Thanks so much I will update you as it goes
The problem is that one doesn't have many affordable and good options for external effects processors on the current market, except for the very expensive and complex effects processors.
Many good manufacturers, sadly, discontinued their rack effects processor lineup, either becayse of greed or because they wrongly assumed that almost anyone will use conputers to mix inside the box.
On the other hand, if you are thinking of using effect pedals, think again. Effects pedals are designed to use instrument levels and their inputs have high impedance, whilst the mixingboards uses uses line level signals, which are stronger than instrument levels. This forces you to use revamping devices, to bring the levels down and, ultimately affects the sound signature.
In order to properly use external effects units with mixing desks, you have to use the aux send and return paths and you have to work at line level.
The moment you bring up a microphone signal or instrument signal to line level, you keep it there and any further processing has to happen at line level.
Not aggree. Last time i check you can use zoom cdr for vocal too.
Bryan, how do you apply the reverb to all channels? What connection I need so all 8 channels will have re erb?
You can insert the outboard gear via the Master Output Inserts, this particular analog mixer has a pair of inserts on the main output. Or you can connect the outboard gear via the auxiliary outputs and return back through the pair of stereo returns (Stereo 1 or Stereo 2). You have more control over the reverb mix with the second option.
Thanks. It did not work. I am trying to connect nanoverb to yamaha mg12.
There is no insert hole.
@@DonnyEscorpeso Just checked your mixer, the base model MG12, has no channel inserts actually. Neither on the input channels or the main output. You do have a pair of auxiliary sends (AUX 1 and AUX 2) . You can send out time-based effects through there, and then return via the return channels (you can say 9/10 or 11/12 as return channels). I think sending time-based effects is actually best via aux sends and not inserts, what I did in the video was just an example. 😄Using mixer auxiliaries is another video I'll be making soon, that's a different video. You can definitely search here at RUclips, I'm pretty sure you'll find something.
Great video!
Thank you 👍
thank you for this great example of inserts and mixers. The mixer I have has compressors built in on 16 channels and reverb for all channels with 20 presets! its the Mackie ProFX30v3. Do you have any experience with this brand and mixer?
Sgt Boudreau
if your trs Y cable is not marked...with most modern cheap mulyimeters that have continuity tesrting...you easily figure it out. I've had to test mine a few time...i always forget. it makes me feel like i know what i'm doing haha
Same here!!!!
Thanks Bryan!
Thanks!
Itagalog mo n lng lodz para natural pakinggan hehe
Today I learned