@@JoystickNY how to do Hadouken and Shoryuken properly？the move always mix together！i can,t use sagat, ken, and ryu properly！😢😢😢 can you show how to spin out the move？
Hey dude, i've been getting into streetfighter lately. I'm in love with zangief. But i only play world champion and alpha 2. I noticed that my inputs on alpha 2 are more consistent than in world champion. Is there a difference in the input window to do them properly? I also played sfV at the arcade, my inputs are 90% more consistent than compared to when i use the dpad. Could you help me learn how to practice spd on dpad too
@@gfxb3177 hey man idk if you meant to reply to me but if you're asking if alpha 2 has more lenient inputs than the og sf2 and sf2ce than yea it does that's normal. Basically the more modern the sf game is the easier it is to do special moves. And I don't have a link for you bc RUclips doesn't let us do that but if you search for something like a "combo trails with zangief pad tutorial" or "all combo trials for zangief" for sf4 or sfv there's tons of good videos of people showing hand cams and all that. Ik you mentioned you play older sf games but I don't know if any specific alpha 2 or sf2 players made good guides so I would look for some of those too but for now hopefully that wall of text can at least help a bit.
Thank you so much; you have good observation 😉, i work a full time job, 5 days a week; on my days off i like to make video little by little, someday hopefully this channel can turn in to a good resource for the community 🙏❤️
This and the charge character on dpad videos are more of what fighting games need covered. Genuinely helpful and I can actually enjoy playing Vega/Hugo on pad without counting the days for a replacement stick. Amazing work.
As you can imagine, I play grapplers, a large number of them. All of them, even. It's the only 2d archtype I enjoy. I never knew about the 225 trick for SFV/USF4, I always go for the 270. I like the deliberate motions you use as well, all too often we fgc people try to APS our way through life, you remind us that things can be slow if well coordinated. Beyond excellent visual aids as well, and good use of your equipment. I hope more players find this and the charge character video.
Thank you so much for the kind words, i try to use what i have, because a full setup is expensive and i still have to learn the capture card things, alot to learn ❤️🙏
@@JoystickNY Do you have to learn how to use a capture card? Are you able to play all of these games on PC or with an emulator? However, even without a real video overlay your tutorials and visuals are still excellent!
As for now, i dont have a capture card yet, i have 2 coworkers that streams on twitch, they always tell me about it 🤣. I havent look into it yet, and i dont have all the games on 1 place, some on xbox, ps4 and pc emulators, i wish it they were on 1 platform, probably be easier 🙏❤️ thank you for your support
Very creative solution to film yourself and the stick at the same time with the tablet. I always appreciate the little visual elements you add that make your videos more easy to understand and pop. It's just that little bit of extra effort that blows my mind. You went as far as change your ball top to red to make the lever more visable, had a visual diagram prepared to show the math, loaded up a ton of games to show examples, and even put a little gief on the mic and on the pad. Keep up the good work, and I'll keep an eye out for the little details.
Thank you for noticing 🤣 i am constantly learning too, video making is very interesting 🙏❤️ and i try to make the best content that i can with what i know. & you totally read my mind on the red ball top, it used to be black, and i changed it to red to make it more visible, it is through video making and time that i pick up on some these things, becuz something there is many things to manage and my mind cant keep track of every detail 😊
The video instruction and structure is perfect: immediate application -> general tips -> intermediate application -> advanced application. helping gauge what people will get out of it while explaining even further uses seamlessly is very hard. Awesome
i just discovered this video today. recently i started using zangief in both sf2 and mvc2. the 360 is by far the thing that gave me the most problems. but now i know it can be 270 and still works. left you a like and commented, so hopefully you will gain more notoriety. this was very well explained, and very useful.
This has helped me out so freaking much. I’ve started to play as Zangief and was having a hard time with his pile driver and Russian suplex. Now I’m having a much easier time landing those moves. 😃
Wow this is great, grapplers are the only ones I have problems playing with. Thanks to you I can do “full 360” inputs we’ll know. I still have problems with double 360 motions though.
I've known about the 270 for awhile now and have been doing that since 3rd Strike, but 225 definitely makes it easier and safe jump backwards on failure. The tip to train while walking cuts out the bad habit of always relyjng on buffering which ive always been doing. Also, your tip #2 is by far the best tip i have seen on any guide on SPD. The exrtra step forward on coverage makes a HUGE difference in ground coverage. I look forward to your next videos, they have been massively helpful
my mouth was open for half the video because I had absolutely no idea you could do this. i was wondering why some players were able to do standing command grab, seemingly at will. thank you for this
I haven't even seen any of your other videos yet. But the clarity, the depth of your explanations are more than enough reason for me to sub. Really really well done. I hope you do a tutorial for the 720 input as well.
I put down SF5 because I was in a Classic Grappler phase of fighting games, but couldn't play the Gief due to grounded 360s on Keyboard being nightmares. I may very well pick up the game again after this piece of advice. This video was downright legendary!
Thank you so much, i used to play keyboard alot too in the emu days, but i can tell you stick makes everything easier, and more enjoyable, certain things are very easy on kb, but some are really hard due to the nature of the keyboard, where as stick is easier a cross all games 🙏❤️
I remember playing SF2 in the arcades in the '90s. The only way I could do a walkup SPD was to manhandle the stick in the motion demonstrated in this video, but as fast as I could. It was a quick-snap motion. My hand would hurt after too many Gief matches and I probably looked a little spastic doing it. Here I am 25 years later and seeing you casually pull it off and I'm like man, that looks smooth and poetic compared to how I used to do it lol I'm guessing the animation of the step forward/backward gives you enough frames to push the stick upwards a bit w/o triggering a jump. Regardless, thx for the video. Not sure why it randomly appeared in my feed, but it brought back good memories :)
Thank you for sharing 🙏❤️ your comment definitely trigger my memories in the arcade, the good old days, someday if i have the funds, i want to open an arcade
I’ve been a fan of Zangief ever since I first played Street Fighter 2 aallllll those years ago and have followed and played SF ever since. There are times I don’t play the game for a while and I lose the ability to get the 360 movement sometimes. It’s not just like riding a bike, I think. This video is awesome man. It’ll help. Thank you.
@@JoystickNY this is so important to because sodom from alpha series and Leo from capcom fight evolution use this movement as well and I play those characters quite a bit
Awesome vid man! I can't wait to lab this. I've never played grapple characters due to the input barrier. I found the jump method and tried the dash method but after about 2 throws, my opponent would always know when I'm coming. But now! Heh, heh, heh let's check out championship edition Zangief again! I think there's gonna be some salty slams going down!
@@JoystickNY heh heh I did! My best friend came over for our weekly couch session and he was so mad! 😂🤣 He uses a pad and I'm on a stick so normally he can't combo or do anything super quick and he just had no way to get outta those command throws! Thanks, Joystick NY, you're the man!!! I'VE upped my game exponentially since subbing to your channel. You definitively deserve more subs and views.
@@JoystickNY Right on brother! Actually you inspired me to start my own channel, eh, someday soon. Right now I'm just gathering equipment but fingers crossed that by Christmas I'll put up my first video! Thanks a ton and maybe we'll collab one day😂. (Wishful thinking I know, but a boi can dream!) But I'll always site King Joystick as my inspiration. I've told all my friends that play fighters about you, so hopefully you got a couple new subs lol!
Thats awesome 🔥 go for it, the community needs more content creators, if you ever have questions, txt me in ig or twitter or fb, i am kinda new and learning too, but i ll answer them the best i can 👍
I don't know if this was mentioned, but a lot of fight sticks have what's called a square restrictor gate. It's basically a piece of plastic that sits around y our joystick. The square ones are just that, square. It makes 360 inputs a little difficult to get off, especially during a match when you're having to react. These are easy to switch out for what I suggest, a octagonal restrictor gate. This has 8 directional slots instead of the 4 that a square gate has. Makes for a MUCH smoother SPD. Be warned though, having those little extra notches make it much easier for mistake inputs to happen.
I was pleasantly surprised to see 225 work in Ultra Street Fighter II on the Switch. First time I discovered the 225 was back in Street Fighter EX Plus Alpha!
Good tips. I would like to add two tips if I may: 1) If your opponent has just knocked you over and they are stupid enough to be standing close to you as you wake up then rise right up with a piledriver. It's one of the easiest and most low-risk opportunities! 2) On some editions of SF I have managed to pull off piledrivers after as little as a quarter circle motion - I kid you not. For example, I would accidentally get piledrivers when attempting to do the Banishing Flat.
I remembered watching Akira Oono from Hi Score Girl letting the stick go circa 270° to do a natural SPD. I thought it was an exaggeration. With this now I know it is possible, even in pad.
@@JoystickNY For real man I play on my neo geo arcade stick with a bunch of games due to a hacked os and I occasionally play R mika and Zangief on SFA3. Really big help man honestly
What a great back down. Been playing for years and been doing the jump method for the 360*2 and that is inconsistent .I appreciate you adding in the breakdown of the cheat availability as I thought SF4 waa 270 Also, I love the way you have the picture in picture in-camera.
@@JoystickNY Don't we all. A solid arcade cabinet or a diy cabenit would be amazing but im happy with the stick for now. You any good at KOF? Be amazing to execute those tough as hell combos on stick *hint hint for next video*
There are many videos on this topic, but this is the best one. I'm also interested in your setup, with the small screen on top of your fight stick. Is there a description of your setup anywhere?
Back in the 90s when I used to play SF2, one time I learned that Zangief's spinning piledriver could be performed by doing a reverse dragon, as I recall. So much easier than doing a full 360. As soon as I realised this I started playing Zangief for a change sometimes. One day shortly after, I was challenged by someone and I beat him. I was pretty happy to beat anyone using Zangief of all characters. I beat more and more people, and gradually a line formed. It was hilarious, no one could beat me that day.
@@tharickabras8520 That’s what I used to do, I was never able to do it using a full 360 movement, but by doing the reverse dragon I was able to pull it off every time, and with the suction of the spinning pile driver it seemed like cheating. Hope it works out for you.
Great video! World Heroes' Muscle Power got me into playing grapplers back in 93. I've always find the 360°/270° inputs more satisfying to pull off on arcade sticks. It was the 'tracing the gate of the lever' or half circle then (straight) up trick that always worked for me. But I get ridiculously frustrated when I try to pull off Raging Storm motions, and a few other notoriously hard motion inputs that SNK programmed for s**ts & giggles.
Nice! As a kid I could rarely get this input but had no issues with quarter circle. I play pad. I kinda fell out of fighting games for many years but Street Fighter 6 has me excited to jump back in. My motion input will be rusty lol. Really looking forward to try Chun-li since she has her Tensho back and it’s not a charge. She looks so fun … a lot of characters look fun too. I hope you do videos when it comes out because man your quality is fantastic!
Thank you 🙏❤️ it was an old ipad laying around at home, i figure i use it lol. I want to use it more, sometimes The angle doesnt fit and not enough room on the table
Learning how to do the spd was the only thing stopping me from playing Gief and now I do it like a boss. Thanks man. I love your vids keep them coming. Can you do a video on air spd. I suck at that.
Glad the video helped 😊👍 For Air spd; i do have a video on that, but kinda down in the list, basically do the same 225, but delay the button press, that should give u a air spd . Might need to work on the timing. And u have to start with back and the same 225 degree but delay the punch, let me know if it works if not, then wait for my video down the road 🙏❤️ Also, when you delAy the punch; u are basically pressing the punch kinda in the air. So u r completing the input after u jump
Hey there! Just wanna say that, your videos are very very entertaining, that I find myself repeating your videos over and over again, especially the arcade stick reviews😅 Just wanna ask, have you played King of Fighters? Would it be fine if I ask you to do a tutorial video, on how to play it effectively? Also, if you don't mind, play Terry Bogard, cause I'm having trouble with his Rising Tackle, which is a charge move, and it can be canceled to a super, which I find a bit hard. But anyways, keep up the great work, and stay awesome!👌
Thank you, i actually play alot of kof, mainly 98-2003, i stopped after 2003, i can definitely add that to my list of videos to make, but it may take me a long time becuz i have 100+ videos lined up so far. Which kof do you play? ❤️🙏
I didnt like 13 and 14 style, i feel kof should stay with in 2d, i always played kof growing up, i think kof fits 2D gameplay more, kof is a tough game to learn, but take your time, and just enjoy it. Thats the great thing about fighting game
I always found 360 motions weird because of directional buffering, and i always thought how can one input a standing 360 without jumping? I thought you had to trick the game by being fast enough to input both the command and the 3 jump directions without jumping. Thanks for the explanation!
You didn't mention this in the video but I think the reason the 225 or 270 works is because the input needed has to cover all 4 cardinal directions (e.g. right, down, left, up if going clockwise) and instead of needing to rotate the stick fully, you're taking the shortest route to get all 4 directions input by going only from forward around to up-back. This basically clicks all the necessary directions. So if you imagine doing this in numberpad notation, it's 632147 for games that are more lenient, and 6321478 for games that are stricter, where I'm guessing the 7 (or that up-back) isn't fully recognized as "up". But the overall point is that a true 360 degree rotation (632147896) is never needed because once you get the stick to "up" (either in the corner, or fully) that's enough.
That's interesting. I was just testing this in SF5 and I found out this is true. I tested this out starting from a jump animation. You can start in any of the 4 cardinal directions and it will work. So, if you start your input from UP and rotate clockwise, the final directional input should be LEFT (and vice-versa: start DOWN, rotate clockwise, finish RIGHT). I always thought you had to start the input either LEFT or RIGHT. This is awesome. I just found a way to do my 720 a bit easier for me thanks to this new insight :D So, I found this out a few months ago. In SF5, the 720 motion doesn't need to be completed in the same direction. You can do a 360 in one direction then reverse the direction for the extra 225 (total of 585, which hits all 4 cardinal directions TWICE). I was finding it so difficult not to accidentally jump when I'm doing 720s so I started experimenting and this worked, especially with buffering during light buttons because their animation finishes so fast :D Now I can make this even easier for myself. Now I don't have to start with a 360, I can start with a 270 (starting with UP input rotating downwards towards either LEFT or RIGHT), then reverse directions to finish the remaining 225 (total of 495 which still hits all 4 cardinal directions TWICE) in the opposite direction. Starting with an UP input is helping me avoid accidentally jumping at any stage of the input sequence since I only have to press UP once. Thanks Joe for that info :)
@@JoystickNY Nope. I tried it many times. I tried starting 180 input then reversing the rotation for another 180 and finishing it with the extra 45 and it doesn't work. The first 180 only hits 3 cardinal directions. Starting with a 225 doesn't work because you'll accidentally jump when it hits the diagonal UP direction. I needed to start with a 270 which requires an UP direction so I needed something extra (jump, dash, buttons or block stun) so I can start the sequence with an UP direction without accidentally jumping. So for example, during a dash, I input this: ↑ ↖ ← ↙ ↓ ↘ → ↘ ↓ ↙ ← (↖ + P)
@@victorwonder Nah, thank you dude, I didn't even think about how 720's would be made easier the way you explained. I'm just a casual player that's trying to learn some new tricks.
omg I started playing sfII since it was released in the arcade then I got it for snes and I never know you could do the spd with only a 270, thanks so much for this really great video it will be so much more easier now to play as grabbler characters, really strange though that when sfII first came to the arcade the move did not show a 3/4 circle on the cabinet instead of the full circle would of made it so much easier to do back then.
Once you understand how directional motion REALLY works in streetfighter you will be very good at motion inputs. When in doubt, always remember...DIRECTIONAL INPUTS ARE "STICKY". They probably last up at least 1200 millisecond before they are considered "pressed". Understanding this completely changed my game
Love all the content you do and can’t wait for more I did watch your videos are charge characters and made want to learn/play them more also grapplers as well Still trying to learn the arcade stick but these videos have helped so much and using the green highlight for the joystick motion is a great idea and also useful to players like me to see
Great question, i dont think there is a real way to do the 720, i believe the best way is to use v skill and then quickly do a 720. I havent seen anyone else done it, i mean like actually show hand, monitor and everything.
Lol 700+ games with gief and just found thisi have to work so hard for spd but now im gonna train and just mine salt all day. Found out his secret taunt when he opens his arms wide and yells “come” which is solid.
I believe in SF4, you can do it w/ 270°. Nice to know it was reduced once again to 225° in SF5. I don't play grappler characters but this is an amazing tidbit to know 😁 Your content is getting better & better btw 👍🏽
Interesting! I'm not a zangief player, learned something new 225 today from you! Possible to do another hard-to-use character, Menat video? Using pad if possible. :D Btw, is playing using m.keyboard same as hitbox?
Its very similar, i havent try hitbox yet.but i can already tell i wont like it, if i have to choose; i rather go keyboard. I can definitely add the video to my list; but it may take a while; cuz i have quite alot of videos lined up and my output is very slow due to full time job ❤️
@@JoystickNY to me keyboard and hitbox are very similar, it’s just that hitbox has big buttons, that’s it 😂 many people have done tutorials using hitbox, just not menat using dpad. It’s a request, just take your time man!
"The 360 input is not that hard to do." BECAUSE IT ISN'T ACTUALLY 360!!! I feel sooo lied to all of these years struggling to play Gief 🤣 Thanks for the tip!
After watching this video I can now do the zangief grab almost all the time I attempt it, great video dawg. But what about his Ultimate tho, it requires two 360s and I've seen some pro players do it without jumping 👀.
My Zengief just improved a lot, thank you! ♥ Was wondering if there's a trick for the super? since the input has to be performed twice, this one harder to pull out.
Been playing grapplers for almost 2 decades and I never knew you could start from back and do the input in reverse like that. Very cool info
Thank you ❤️🙏
@@JoystickNY how to do Hadouken and Shoryuken properly？the move always mix together！i can,t use sagat, ken, and ryu properly！😢😢😢 can you show how to spin out the move？
Check out my stick tutorial ❤️
Hey dude, i've been getting into streetfighter lately. I'm in love with zangief.
But i only play world champion and alpha 2. I noticed that my inputs on alpha 2 are more consistent than in world champion. Is there a difference in the input window to do them properly?
I also played sfV at the arcade, my inputs are 90% more consistent than compared to when i use the dpad.
Could you help me learn how to practice spd on dpad too
@@gfxb3177 hey man idk if you meant to reply to me but if you're asking if alpha 2 has more lenient inputs than the og sf2 and sf2ce than yea it does that's normal. Basically the more modern the sf game is the easier it is to do special moves. And I don't have a link for you bc RUclips doesn't let us do that but if you search for something like a "combo trails with zangief pad tutorial" or "all combo trials for zangief" for sf4 or sfv there's tons of good videos of people showing hand cams and all that. Ik you mentioned you play older sf games but I don't know if any specific alpha 2 or sf2 players made good guides so I would look for some of those too but for now hopefully that wall of text can at least help a bit.
Dude you don't post very often, but when you do you post quality content. We appreciate you
Thank you so much; you have good observation 😉, i work a full time job, 5 days a week; on my days off i like to make video little by little, someday hopefully this channel can turn in to a good resource for the community 🙏❤️
This and the charge character on dpad videos are more of what fighting games need covered. Genuinely helpful and I can actually enjoy playing Vega/Hugo on pad without counting the days for a replacement stick. Amazing work.
Thank you for the support 🙏❤️
Subscribed fast as hell. In all my years I've never seen someone make Zangief look so much simpler to use.
Thank you so much for your support 🙏❤️
Thank you for dropping by❤️🙏
As you can imagine, I play grapplers, a large number of them. All of them, even. It's the only 2d archtype I enjoy. I never knew about the 225 trick for SFV/USF4, I always go for the 270.
I like the deliberate motions you use as well, all too often we fgc people try to APS our way through life, you remind us that things can be slow if well coordinated. Beyond excellent visual aids as well, and good use of your equipment. I hope more players find this and the charge character video.
Thank you so much for the kind words, i try to use what i have, because a full setup is expensive and i still have to learn the capture card things, alot to learn ❤️🙏
same never knew about 225... 270 was shortcut... now i need to re-train this cool idea! maybe now I dont get accidental jumps
Thank you for watching ❤️🙏
@@JoystickNY Do you have to learn how to use a capture card? Are you able to play all of these games on PC or with an emulator? However, even without a real video overlay your tutorials and visuals are still excellent!
As for now, i dont have a capture card yet, i have 2 coworkers that streams on twitch, they always tell me about it 🤣. I havent look into it yet, and i dont have all the games on 1 place, some on xbox, ps4 and pc emulators, i wish it they were on 1 platform, probably be easier 🙏❤️ thank you for your support
Very creative solution to film yourself and the stick at the same time with the tablet. I always appreciate the little visual elements you add that make your videos more easy to understand and pop. It's just that little bit of extra effort that blows my mind. You went as far as change your ball top to red to make the lever more visable, had a visual diagram prepared to show the math, loaded up a ton of games to show examples, and even put a little gief on the mic and on the pad. Keep up the good work, and I'll keep an eye out for the little details.
Thank you for noticing 🤣 i am constantly learning too, video making is very interesting 🙏❤️ and i try to make the best content that i can with what i know. & you totally read my mind on the red ball top, it used to be black, and i changed it to red to make it more visible, it is through video making and time that i pick up on some these things, becuz something there is many things to manage and my mind cant keep track of every detail 😊
OMG thank you so much, grapple characters here I come
Thank you for watching ❤️🙏
I know right. 👍🏾
How did that go?
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Thank you for dropping by
Always wondered how people were pulling off SPDs from standing or walk up. Now I know.
And knowing is half the battle.
Yup, thank you for watching ❤️🙏
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And half the 720 lmao
The video instruction and structure is perfect: immediate application -> general tips -> intermediate application -> advanced application. helping gauge what people will get out of it while explaining even further uses seamlessly is very hard. Awesome
Thank you so much for the kind words 🙏❤️
i just discovered this video today.
recently i started using zangief in both sf2 and mvc2.
the 360 is by far the thing that gave me the most problems.
but now i know it can be 270 and still works.
left you a like and commented, so hopefully you will gain more notoriety. this was very well explained, and very useful.
Really appreciate you 🙏❤️
Man as a MK player and a newcomer to SF, Figuring out how to pull off a zangief SPD on a pad was killing me then i found your video !! Thanks man
This has helped me out so freaking much. I’ve started to play as Zangief and was having a hard time with his pile driver and Russian suplex. Now I’m having a much easier time landing those moves. 😃
Thank you for watching 🙏❤️ happy to hear it works 😊
Best teacher that I’ve seen for this stuff. Thank you, sir.
Appreciate you
Wow this is great, grapplers are the only ones I have problems playing with. Thanks to you I can do “full 360” inputs we’ll know. I still have problems with double 360 motions though.
I've known about the 270 for awhile now and have been doing that since 3rd Strike, but 225 definitely makes it easier and safe jump backwards on failure. The tip to train while walking cuts out the bad habit of always relyjng on buffering which ive always been doing.
Also, your tip #2 is by far the best tip i have seen on any guide on SPD. The exrtra step forward on coverage makes a HUGE difference in ground coverage.
I look forward to your next videos, they have been massively helpful
Appreciate the support
This guide is far better than I ever would have thought, thank you!
I am happy to hear the videos helps, thank you for watching 🙏❤️
225 degrees instead of a full 360?!? I've been living a lie my entire life!! Thank you for showing me the light!!
my mouth was open for half the video because I had absolutely no idea you could do this. i was wondering why some players were able to do standing command grab, seemingly at will. thank you for this
Happy to share and help 🙏❤️ thank you for watching
Took my super turbo Zangief to the next level! Thank you.
Thank you 😊 happy it helped 🙏❤️
Really nice tutorial, really clear visuals and nice explanantions and tips :)
I didn't knew some games allowed you to do 225° instead of 270°
Sorry for the late reply, somehow youtube never send me a notification on this comment. thank you 🙏❤️
I know I’m late but THANK YOU for this. I thought I was doing something wrong because he kept jumping. Can’t wait to practice this
Thank you for watching 🙏❤️
I haven't even seen any of your other videos yet. But the clarity, the depth of your explanations are more than enough reason for me to sub. Really really well done. I hope you do a tutorial for the 720 input as well.
Really appreciate the support
Great video, as always! As I said in a previous comment, you're always helping me!! Thanks!!
I am happy to hear that, keeps me going for sure ❤️🙏 thank you, more to come
omg someone give this man a medal. thank you, always wondered how ppl did that without jumping or moving
Appreciate the love and support 🙏❤️
i have not ever until NOW learned how to do this . thanks to you! Many thanks! your chinglish is awesome too
I am happy to hear the videos helps, thank you for watching 🙏❤️
My brother, this is LIFE SAVING.
Bless you for this guide. 🙏
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I put down SF5 because I was in a Classic Grappler phase of fighting games, but couldn't play the Gief due to grounded 360s on Keyboard being nightmares. I may very well pick up the game again after this piece of advice. This video was downright legendary!
Thank you so much, i used to play keyboard alot too in the emu days, but i can tell you stick makes everything easier, and more enjoyable, certain things are very easy on kb, but some are really hard due to the nature of the keyboard, where as stick is easier a cross all games 🙏❤️
I remember playing SF2 in the arcades in the '90s. The only way I could do a walkup SPD was to manhandle the stick in the motion demonstrated in this video, but as fast as I could. It was a quick-snap motion. My hand would hurt after too many Gief matches and I probably looked a little spastic doing it.
Here I am 25 years later and seeing you casually pull it off and I'm like man, that looks smooth and poetic compared to how I used to do it lol
I'm guessing the animation of the step forward/backward gives you enough frames to push the stick upwards a bit w/o triggering a jump. Regardless, thx for the video. Not sure why it randomly appeared in my feed, but it brought back good memories :)
Thank you for sharing 🙏❤️ your comment definitely trigger my memories in the arcade, the good old days, someday if i have the funds, i want to open an arcade
I saw this video in my recommended and clicked. I never knew this. Thanks for this info and have a good day. Subscribed and liked.
Thank you so much for the love and support ❤️🙏
This video is so well made! ❤ Clear and concise.
Appreciate you
I always struggled with 360 inputs ! I never knew about 225 trick ! Thanks man awesome stuff 🙂
Anytime friend ❤️
Your sticks noises are so satisfying.
Thank you 🙏❤️ asmr lol
I’ve been a fan of Zangief ever since I first played Street Fighter 2 aallllll those years ago and have followed and played SF ever since. There are times I don’t play the game for a while and I lose the ability to get the 360 movement sometimes. It’s not just like riding a bike, I think. This video is awesome man. It’ll help. Thank you.
Happy to help 🙏 more to come 🕹❤️
@@JoystickNY this is so important to because sodom from alpha series and Leo from capcom fight evolution use this movement as well and I play those characters quite a bit
I never thought to go 225. I always thought to move around 360, you have made me change my mind.
Thank you for watching , happy to hear it help 🙏❤️
Thanks for the amazing video, SFIII Hugo, here i go!
Thank you so much 🙏❤️
That set up with the mini screens was pretty slick. Very stylish
Thank you, my poor mans set up 🙏
@@JoystickNY it honestly looks more genuine and I prefer the poor man’s setup over someone video editing the separate screens into one shot
great tutorial. This made it so much easier, and it does take out any extra inputs i was attempting. Thank you
Thank you
Awesome vid man! I can't wait to lab this. I've never played grapple characters due to the input barrier. I found the jump method and tried the dash method but after about 2 throws, my opponent would always know when I'm coming. But now! Heh, heh, heh let's check out championship edition Zangief again! I think there's gonna be some salty slams going down!
Surprise them lol, tick throw , tick 360 on them 🙏❤️ enjoy friend
@@JoystickNY heh heh I did! My best friend came over for our weekly couch session and he was so mad! 😂🤣 He uses a pad and I'm on a stick so normally he can't combo or do anything super quick and he just had no way to get outta those command throws! Thanks, Joystick NY, you're the man!!! I'VE upped my game exponentially since subbing to your channel. You definitively deserve more subs and views.
Thank you 🙏❤️ really happy to hear the videos are helping players grow, more videos to come 😊
@@JoystickNY Right on brother! Actually you inspired me to start my own channel, eh, someday soon. Right now I'm just gathering equipment but fingers crossed that by Christmas I'll put up my first video! Thanks a ton and maybe we'll collab one day😂. (Wishful thinking I know, but a boi can dream!) But I'll always site King Joystick as my inspiration. I've told all my friends that play fighters about you, so hopefully you got a couple new subs lol!
Thats awesome 🔥 go for it, the community needs more content creators, if you ever have questions, txt me in ig or twitter or fb, i am kinda new and learning too, but i ll answer them the best i can 👍
Man, I wish Ive learned this 25 years ago
Is never too late 😉👍🕹
Great tutorial vid. Thanks a million frm Delhi, India. My fav person Jangeef
Thank you so much for the support 🙏❤️
this is what i needed to see. jeez thanks. insanely useful, and practical video. 3
I don't know if this was mentioned, but a lot of fight sticks have what's called a square restrictor gate. It's basically a piece of plastic that sits around y our joystick. The square ones are just that, square. It makes 360 inputs a little difficult to get off, especially during a match when you're having to react. These are easy to switch out for what I suggest, a octagonal restrictor gate. This has 8 directional slots instead of the 4 that a square gate has. Makes for a MUCH smoother SPD. Be warned though, having those little extra notches make it much easier for mistake inputs to happen.
Thank you for sharing ♥️
thank you so much this is one of the best video's i seen in a long time, subbed and belled :) :)
Thank you, appreciate the support
I was pleasantly surprised to see 225 work in Ultra Street Fighter II on the Switch.
First time I discovered the 225 was back in Street Fighter EX Plus Alpha!
Thank you for sharing, appreciate you 🙏❤️
Good tips. I would like to add two tips if I may:
1) If your opponent has just knocked you over and they are stupid enough to be standing close to you as you wake up then rise right up with a piledriver. It's one of the easiest and most low-risk opportunities!
2) On some editions of SF I have managed to pull off piledrivers after as little as a quarter circle motion - I kid you not. For example, I would accidentally get piledrivers when attempting to do the Banishing Flat.
Great tips, thank you for sharing
Wish you do one for the ultra so glad I found the channel
Appreciate the support
Excellent video. The illustrations really helped.
Thank you for watching
I remembered watching Akira Oono from Hi Score Girl letting the stick go circa 270° to do a natural SPD. I thought it was an exaggeration.
With this now I know it is possible, even in pad.
Thank you for watching 🙏❤️
I am just a spectator of fighting games, the how-to information for SPD is presented well.
thank you for watching 🙏❤️
Thank you for this video I'm have been struggling to learn Zangief and I will be starting to do this training hopping that I learn
Glad it was helpful ♥️
I just bought a new qanba fight stick and I bought Capcom fighting collection thank you for the tip and I plan to use zangeif if he is in SF6
This was helpful. Especially when you mentioned the games that accepted 225-270 degree input
Thank you, happy to hear it helped ❤️🙏
@@JoystickNY For real man I play on my neo geo arcade stick with a bunch of games due to a hacked os and I occasionally play R mika and Zangief on SFA3. Really big help man honestly
What a great back down. Been playing for years and been doing the jump method for the 360*2 and that is inconsistent .I appreciate you adding in the breakdown of the cheat availability as I thought SF4 waa 270 Also, I love the way you have the picture in picture in-camera.
Thank you🙏❤️, so far thats my poor man’s setup, hopefully one day i can have a real set up
@@JoystickNY Don't we all. A solid arcade cabinet or a diy cabenit would be amazing but im happy with the stick for now. You any good at KOF? Be amazing to execute those tough as hell combos on stick *hint hint for next video*
I can 360 spd. But this video gave me the answer on how to air spd after a crush counter, thank you.
I am happy to hear the videos helps, thank you for watching 🙏❤️
There are many videos on this topic, but this is the best one.
I'm also interested in your setup, with the small screen on top of your fight stick. Is there a description of your setup anywhere?
Thanks man for the video!👍,now i will play with Zangief in street fighter 2 and alpha 3😁,greetings from Puerto Rico.
Thank you ❤️🙏
I just got a mayflash f300 too so this will be alot of fun to try thank you. You just earned a sub from me sir.
Thank you for the support ❤️🙏
Back in the 90s when I used to play SF2, one time I learned that Zangief's spinning piledriver could be performed by doing a reverse dragon, as I recall. So much easier than doing a full 360. As soon as I realised this I started playing Zangief for a change sometimes. One day shortly after, I was challenged by someone and I beat him. I was pretty happy to beat anyone using Zangief of all characters. I beat more and more people, and gradually a line formed. It was hilarious, no one could beat me that day.
Thank you for sharing ❤️😊 i miss those days , wish the arcade culture was still with us
What do you mean by reverse dragon?
@@tharickabras8520 like move the joystick the same as doing a dragon but in reverse
@@sidesw1pe So, If I do a reverse dragon punch motion, it will work for a piledriver input? I never heard of that, I'll try it sometime.
@@tharickabras8520 That’s what I used to do, I was never able to do it using a full 360 movement, but by doing the reverse dragon I was able to pull it off every time, and with the suction of the spinning pile driver it seemed like cheating. Hope it works out for you.
Great video! World Heroes' Muscle Power got me into playing grapplers back in 93. I've always find the 360°/270° inputs more satisfying to pull off on arcade sticks. It was the 'tracing the gate of the lever' or half circle then (straight) up trick that always worked for me. But I get ridiculously frustrated when I try to pull off Raging Storm motions, and a few other notoriously hard motion inputs that SNK programmed for s**ts & giggles.
The older classic games were harder and require more strict inputs too, Thank you for sharing ❤️🙏
@@JoystickNY No problem, bro!
Nice! As a kid I could rarely get this input but had no issues with quarter circle. I play pad. I kinda fell out of fighting games for many years but Street Fighter 6 has me excited to jump back in. My motion input will be rusty lol. Really looking forward to try Chun-li since she has her Tensho back and it’s not a charge. She looks so fun … a lot of characters look fun too. I hope you do videos when it comes out because man your quality is fantastic!
Thank you so much for the support, i will continue to make more videos
the use of the external monitor to show your face was very creative
Thank you 🙏❤️ it was an old ipad laying around at home, i figure i use it lol. I want to use it more, sometimes
The angle doesnt fit and not enough room on the table
These videos are extremely good. Subscribed.
thank you for the support 🙏❤️
Learning how to do the spd was the only thing stopping me from playing Gief and now I do it like a boss. Thanks man. I love your vids keep them coming. Can you do a video on air spd. I suck at that.
Glad the video helped 😊👍 For Air spd; i do have a video on that, but kinda down in the list, basically do the same 225, but delay the button press, that should give u a air spd . Might need to work on the timing. And u have to start with back and the same 225 degree but delay the punch, let me know if it works if not, then wait for my video down the road 🙏❤️
Also, when you delAy the punch; u are basically pressing the punch kinda in the air. So u r completing the input after u jump
I love this video! its so informative without much wasted time. thank you
Thank you for watching 🙏❤️
This helped so much!! A banger tip every minute of thus video
Thank you for watching 🙏❤️
You made it so easy to understand. Thank you.
thank you for watching 🙏❤️
Finaly a video i thought it was the end thanks so so so much very good work 😘 you're the best
Thank you 🙏❤️ i try to make as much as i can on my days off, i love creating and teaching games
Hey there! Just wanna say that, your videos are very very entertaining, that I find myself repeating your videos over and over again, especially the arcade stick reviews😅
Just wanna ask, have you played King of Fighters? Would it be fine if I ask you to do a tutorial video, on how to play it effectively? Also, if you don't mind, play Terry Bogard, cause I'm having trouble with his Rising Tackle, which is a charge move, and it can be canceled to a super, which I find a bit hard.
But anyways, keep up the great work, and stay awesome!👌
Thank you, i actually play alot of kof, mainly 98-2003, i stopped after 2003, i can definitely add that to my list of videos to make, but it may take me a long time becuz i have 100+ videos lined up so far. Which kof do you play? ❤️🙏
I'm playing Kof 2002 and 13. I'm just a newbie, and I still have a lot to learn about the game😅
I didnt like 13 and 14 style, i feel kof should stay with in 2d, i always played kof growing up, i think kof fits 2D gameplay more, kof is a tough game to learn, but take your time, and just enjoy it. Thats the great thing about fighting game
Amazing vídeo. Really helpful. I just wish you had a short entry about the 720s! Love your channel
I havent found it yet, when i do, i will make a video on it thank you for watching ❤️
I always found 360 motions weird because of directional buffering, and i always thought how can one input a standing 360 without jumping?
I thought you had to trick the game by being fast enough to input both the command and the 3 jump directions without jumping. Thanks for the explanation!
Thank you 🙏❤️ happy to help
You didn't mention this in the video but I think the reason the 225 or 270 works is because the input needed has to cover all 4 cardinal directions (e.g. right, down, left, up if going clockwise) and instead of needing to rotate the stick fully, you're taking the shortest route to get all 4 directions input by going only from forward around to up-back. This basically clicks all the necessary directions. So if you imagine doing this in numberpad notation, it's 632147 for games that are more lenient, and 6321478 for games that are stricter, where I'm guessing the 7 (or that up-back) isn't fully recognized as "up". But the overall point is that a true 360 degree rotation (632147896) is never needed because once you get the stick to "up" (either in the corner, or fully) that's enough.
Great explanation, thank you so much for sharing 🙏❤️ its always great to learn something new everyday
That's interesting. I was just testing this in SF5 and I found out this is true. I tested this out starting from a jump animation. You can start in any of the 4 cardinal directions and it will work. So, if you start your input from UP and rotate clockwise, the final directional input should be LEFT (and vice-versa: start DOWN, rotate clockwise, finish RIGHT). I always thought you had to start the input either LEFT or RIGHT. This is awesome. I just found a way to do my 720 a bit easier for me thanks to this new insight :D
So, I found this out a few months ago. In SF5, the 720 motion doesn't need to be completed in the same direction. You can do a 360 in one direction then reverse the direction for the extra 225 (total of 585, which hits all 4 cardinal directions TWICE). I was finding it so difficult not to accidentally jump when I'm doing 720s so I started experimenting and this worked, especially with buffering during light buttons because their animation finishes so fast :D
Now I can make this even easier for myself. Now I don't have to start with a 360, I can start with a 270 (starting with UP input rotating downwards towards either LEFT or RIGHT), then reverse directions to finish the remaining 225 (total of 495 which still hits all 4 cardinal directions TWICE) in the opposite direction. Starting with an UP input is helping me avoid accidentally jumping at any stage of the input sequence since I only have to press UP once.
Thanks Joe for that info :)
You were able to do a pure naked walking 720? With out adding anything extra?
@@JoystickNY Nope. I tried it many times. I tried starting 180 input then reversing the rotation for another 180 and finishing it with the extra 45 and it doesn't work. The first 180 only hits 3 cardinal directions. Starting with a 225 doesn't work because you'll accidentally jump when it hits the diagonal UP direction.
I needed to start with a 270 which requires an UP direction so I needed something extra (jump, dash, buttons or block stun) so I can start the sequence with an UP direction without accidentally jumping.
So for example, during a dash, I input this:
↑ ↖ ← ↙ ↓ ↘ → ↘ ↓ ↙ ← (↖ + P)
@@victorwonder Nah, thank you dude, I didn't even think about how 720's would be made easier the way you explained. I'm just a casual player that's trying to learn some new tricks.
This dude deserve a million subscriber.. ❤
Thank you for the kind words ❤️
I always did it on the ground doing a "semi circle" with the joystick - forward, forward-down, down, back-down, back, and then forward and punch.
Your channel is amazing! Extremely helpful. Thank you very much! Liked and subscribed.
Thank you so much for the support ❤️🙏
I used to do the 360 when jumping, right before landing. Sniping 360 before It was cool :)
Yup, me too 😊Thank you for watching 🙏❤️
Love your street fighter videos ❤️
Thank you for the support ❤️🙏
omg I started playing sfII since it was released in the arcade then I got it for snes and I never know you could do the spd with only a 270, thanks so much for this really great video it will be so much more easier now to play as grabbler characters, really strange though that when sfII first came to the arcade the move did not show a 3/4 circle on the cabinet instead of the full circle would of made it so much easier to do back then.
Thats a great point, thank you for watching 🙏❤️
Once you understand how directional motion REALLY works in streetfighter you will be very good at motion inputs. When in doubt, always remember...DIRECTIONAL INPUTS ARE "STICKY". They probably last up at least 1200 millisecond before they are considered "pressed". Understanding this completely changed my game
Great info 😊
Could you elaborate on that "sticky"? Does that apply on SF2?
Love all the content you do and can’t wait for more I did watch your videos are charge characters and made want to learn/play them more also grapplers as well
Still trying to learn the arcade stick but these videos have helped so much and using the green highlight for the joystick motion is a great idea and also useful to players like me to see
Happy to help , more to come in the future 🙏❤️
i was waiting for this video, thank you very much!
edit: what about the 720?
Great question, i dont think there is a real way to do the 720, i believe the best way is to use v skill and then quickly do a 720. I havent seen anyone else done it, i mean like actually show hand, monitor and everything.
ruclips.net/video/ISKfZgwRT4U/видео.html this guy is an execution beast
omg you're the best, i thought I was the dumbest person ever not being able to do this
Nah u got this
I use the sticks on pad which is usually unorthodox but it just makes it so much easier to grapple
Thank you for watching 🙏❤️
Lol 700+ games with gief and just found thisi have to work so hard for spd but now im gonna train and just mine salt all day. Found out his secret taunt when he opens his arms wide and yells “come” which is solid.
Thank you for watching 🙏❤️ thats alot of games you got there my friend 🕹👍
Thanks brother I have learned a lot from ur videos
Thank you so much, happy to help 🙏❤️
I have a red ball top on my hori as well ... lol ... Great video.
Thank you 🙏❤️ i always had a black one during my video, i figure a red one is easier on the eye
Can you please make a video demonstrating 360 super combo? By the way keep up keep up the great work.
I will add that to my list ❤️🙏 thank you
@@JoystickNY you’re welcome. You’re great teacher.
Amazingly informative, and your explanations are so simple. Subscribed.
Thank you so much ❤️🙏
I believe in SF4, you can do it w/ 270°. Nice to know it was reduced once again to 225° in SF5. I don't play grappler characters but this is an amazing tidbit to know 😁
Your content is getting better & better btw 👍🏽
Thank you so much 🙏❤️ trying to slowly improve
Looked back onto this as I am currently practicing T.Hawk in Super Turbo 😅
.. I guess I'll keep practicing 🙂
Great tutorial man. This is so easy. Thank you
I am happy to hear the videos helps, thank you for watching 🙏❤️
Interesting! I'm not a zangief player, learned something new 225 today from you!
Possible to do another hard-to-use character, Menat video? Using pad if possible. :D
Btw, is playing using m.keyboard same as hitbox?
Its very similar, i havent try hitbox yet.but i can already tell i wont like it, if i have to choose; i rather go keyboard.
I can definitely add the video to my list; but it may take a while; cuz i have quite alot of videos lined up and my output is very slow due to full time job ❤️
@@JoystickNY to me keyboard and hitbox are very similar, it’s just that hitbox has big buttons, that’s it 😂 many people have done tutorials using hitbox, just not menat using dpad. It’s a request, just take your time man!
can you make a guide on 720 motion on pad
When i find a short cut , i def will 🙏❤️
I already knew this but great video. Standing s 720.in super turbo was most difficult imo
Thank you for watching 🙏❤️
Amazing Video! Very useful information.
Thank you ❤️
This legit can be applied for one of Beowulf's blockbusters and that makes me legit happy to know of this trick
Thank you for watching ❤️🙏
The thing about Skullgirls is that it has 360 detection which pretty much eliminates any chance of an accidental jump.
Wow that is smart for them add that in, thank you for sharing 🙏❤️
Brill, was thinking about playing zangief after my mains ain't in sf6
"The 360 input is not that hard to do." BECAUSE IT ISN'T ACTUALLY 360!!! I feel sooo lied to all of these years struggling to play Gief 🤣 Thanks for the tip!
Thank you for watching ❤️🙏
After watching this video I can now do the zangief grab almost all the time I attempt it, great video dawg. But what about his Ultimate tho, it requires two 360s and I've seen some pro players do it without jumping 👀.
I think alot of pros hides the input with an attack, i m trying to figure out how to do it without anything, if i find it, i ll make a video on it 🙏❤️
@@JoystickNY facts bro.
I love the videos. Do you have any akuma videos lined up?
Yes, i have a few, but not the next few video, i have some plan to make it better for you guys 😉🙏❤️
As Always thanks you for completing thé game Real tutorial ☺️
Thank you for the support ❤️🙏
My Zengief just improved a lot, thank you! ♥ Was wondering if there's a trick for the super? since the input has to be performed twice, this one harder to pull out.
I havent found a trick for the super yet, if i do, i ll def make a video 🙏❤️
@@JoystickNY You're a legend!
Great tutorial; thanks for making it!
thank you for watching 🙏❤️