Did The Panasonic S5II Firmware Actually Improve Human Autofocus?

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  • Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024

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  • @TechMixr
    @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +2

    Regarding the colour / white balance differences, I’m still fairly new at this colour correction / grading world, so this is most likely human error 😂 - as of writing this, the 2nd camera has not been updated to the latest firmware as of yet.
    When I update it, I’ll update this pinned comment with my findings. Thanks so much for the compliments on the video so far!
    - Shaun (TechMixr)

    • @NathanKatash
      @NathanKatash 7 месяцев назад +1

      just importand to know - there is no pdaf if you shoot at 1080P 50P - if thats the case so the test isnt good - try to shoot 1080 20P / 6K 25P and test the AF - the af is much better

  • @marinrealestatephotography
    @marinrealestatephotography 7 месяцев назад +10

    Also, just wanted to say, Thank You for NOT holding your lav mic in front of your mouth the way some youtubers do. That's just bananas.

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +2

      I was thinking about this the other day. Oh it drives me crazy 😂
      Just hold a handheld mic if you don’t want to wear a lav 😂
      Sidenote- stupid me had it upside down when I was at the computer 😂😂😂 (I guess this is an Easter egg for the video now) 🤦🏾‍♂️

  • @RobertJBallantyne
    @RobertJBallantyne 7 месяцев назад +2

    I'm almost convinced that this camera is in my near future. I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this examination of the new firmware. 👍👋

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks so much for the compliment! I hoped to get it out the day the firmware was released but testing took longer than expected. Glad it was helpful!

  • @Weider63
    @Weider63 7 месяцев назад +2

    you’ve done a great job actually. haven’t seen something like this on youtube so far. thank you for your work sir 🙏🏻

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +2

      This made me smile. Thank you so much for the compliment- I’m glad it’s serving everyone - I had a lot of questions too about human detect autofocus. 🙏🏾

  • @Hene37
    @Hene37 7 месяцев назад +2

    Great video, thank you! Would be nice to see some longer focal lengths in the future if possible.

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +1

      That’s a great idea. The only zoom lens I have currently are the Sigma 14-24 and the 20-60 kit lens unfortunately. The other 2 lens are wide angle prime lenses.

  • @Lead_N_Iron
    @Lead_N_Iron 7 месяцев назад +4

    Man! You put in some work testing the firmware! Great information and comparison😅

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +3

      Nothing says committing to testing like cars driving past you giving you looks, while you pace around a parking lot with a stone cold look on your face 😂
      Appreciate the compliment my dude! 🙏🏾

  • @AllCarsUnited
    @AllCarsUnited 7 месяцев назад +5

    As a photographer I'm actually impressed with the face eye for photography only, it's finally able to lock on to a individual when in a crowd. It's almost on par with my old A7r3 and a7s3

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +3

      Hilariously, I’ve never done photography with this camera. I’m one of “those” people 😂
      Very interesting! I’ll probably explore the photography side of the S5II one day. For the price point and the continued firmware updates, buying 2 of these was a great decision. Sure the AF isn’t perfect, but it’s leaps and bounds over their former DFD contrast system from the past.
      Thanks for the insight!

    • @andrewjeffersonh
      @andrewjeffersonh 7 месяцев назад +1

      It looks like the existing 2.4v is good then 3.0 there is not much difference as shown in your video. So I will wait for another update.

    • @uncleanAlibertine1
      @uncleanAlibertine1 7 месяцев назад

      But you must be close to subjects or not? Otherwise will not? I mean in afc mode photography i think

  • @BrianSantero
    @BrianSantero 7 месяцев назад +1

    Super helpful, thanks for this! I've been considering the S5ii/x and now I know to go for first party lenses for the time being.

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for the compliment! 🙏🏾
      There might be some AF tweaks I might have to do with the Sigma lenses. It’s not as bad as the contrast DFD system from years past, but I found the native glass to be a bit better.
      I guess I’m going to make even more use of those custom modes 😂

  • @paulbeckmann
    @paulbeckmann 4 месяца назад +1

    Brilliant test! Thanks! Very helpful.

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  4 месяца назад

      Glad you found it useful!

  • @christianmbabazi9722
    @christianmbabazi9722 Месяц назад +1

    Third party lenses with adapters have a hard time focusing

  • @KrisCalderon-ts3dy
    @KrisCalderon-ts3dy 7 месяцев назад +1

    You killed this test, thank you! 🙏

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад

      Thanks for the wonderful comment. I hope it brought you value 🙏🏾

  • @luisrenkel5177
    @luisrenkel5177 7 месяцев назад +1

    Good and helpful video. I use the Sigma 24-70 art lens and tbh I didn't really see a lot of improvements in the autofocus. And I was always a bit unsatisfied with the af performance in low light but I will make sure to use eye + body detection from now on. Thanks a lot

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад

      Thanks for the compliment! I’m glad the body tracking tidbit helps out. It really performed well in low light!

  • @Dimasphotographer
    @Dimasphotographer 5 месяцев назад +1

    Love the "Cinematic" pause

  • @KillerTacos54
    @KillerTacos54 7 месяцев назад +1

    I was really hoping for this video!

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад

      Appreciate the comment! 🙏🏾 I hope it’s helpful!

  • @kacperlesniewski7166
    @kacperlesniewski7166 7 месяцев назад +2

    Great test! Way to go! :) Should we be happy that AF detects a face in the dark if it can't focus on it? Regards! :)

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +4

      Hahahaha I thought the same thing. What I like about it is that if you’re in a challenging lighting condition, it doesn’t pulse terribly like it would previously. All that being said, it’s an improvement from the older firmware.
      How useful it is, that’s a different discussion 😂
      Thanks for the compliment 🙏🏾

  • @Matt-fo4gg
    @Matt-fo4gg 3 месяца назад +1

    Great video - did you ever test AF after 12,800 ISO?
    I'm not sure if other cameras do this, but it's phase detect until 12,800 then any higher and it swaps to contrast detect which is basically useless in low light. I'm surprised that I couldn't find that info anywhere in the manual either. I suppose it's rare for someone to do video at that ISO but I'm sure it happens in some situations, especially run and gun style stuff or certain concerts.

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  3 месяца назад +1

      @@Matt-fo4gg I haven’t ran into that but I will test this. That’s interesting. Thanks for the watching, and the compliment 🙏🏾

  • @solarion33
    @solarion33 7 месяцев назад +1

    you usually need to choose what to focus on for it lock ( yellow frame)

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад

      Usually, but in a lot of cases from using these cameras since launch, it did a decent job on the kit lens with detection on and focus in 1-area set to the centre.
      I’ve tried to lock on and it was so inconsistent that I’ve found it better to do it this way. But I’m open to retrying with the new firmware.

  • @marinrealestatephotography
    @marinrealestatephotography 7 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you very much for the reviews and the comparisons. Question for you: At the 4:01 mark where you are doing side-by-side comparisons, do you remember if you had the same white balance and color profile on both cameras? I ask because it seems the color / white balance is different, and I am just wondering whether the firmware caused the white blance differences, or if one of the 20-60 lenses is more green, or whether (like me) you just had an ooppssie with the white balance on one of the cameras?
    I only bring this up because a lot of times people are so wrapped up about a camera's "color science" and they don't realize all the factors that might affect the colors in any particular shot.

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +1

      So I did have the exact same settings and I white balanced the same way with a grey card but between takes and redoing stuff I wonder if I should have re-white balanced on every take due to the sun changing position even slightly (it was a clear day, but you never know.) I’m also very new at colour grading so I’m betting this is all human error 😂. To be honest - a few of those clips were super long because either someone would walk in the shot or a car would fly past me 😂🤦🏾‍♂️
      I still have to update the 2nd camera. I know they shot identically previously on the old firmware. I’ll update this comment (and the few others asking) with those results.
      Thanks so much for the compliment.

  • @slows728
    @slows728 7 месяцев назад +1

    I mostly use one area without human tracking and I often get very good results. This is really not because of the IBIS and the AF that I almost never use my S5II, both are great.

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +1

      Interesting. I may have to experiment with it turned off …….. BACK TO THE PARKING LOT 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

  • @richardrowland8425
    @richardrowland8425 6 месяцев назад +1

    loved the testing but the real jump was on the S pro lenses with the update

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  6 месяцев назад

      Yeah that I did observe.
      Stupid expensive awesome lenses 😂 - now I gotta find a sponsor so I can actually afford to get them all 🤦🏾‍♂️

  • @denisokolovv
    @denisokolovv 7 месяцев назад +1

    Yes for me i see quite improved even in 1080p 60fps

  • @mex5341
    @mex5341 7 месяцев назад +1

    for the future tests - just use some photos of people/ portraits and put closer to you when you speak just to see how AF-c will work

  • @ryszardzokowski812
    @ryszardzokowski812 7 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for puting so much work to test autofocus. I set my af settings to +3 on both and every time is in focus in oposite what you have in video, but I use different lenses (lumix primes) and didnt zoom image, so that why i may not see this.
    Aparat from AF, colors on both firmware are much different. You using auto white balance in this test? Or maybe firmware update change something in image?

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад

      Lots to unpack here.
      When I went up to +3 it was a disaster so I backed it off to default settings and in my case, it got better. But others with the S5 II have done what you did, and got way better results than I did. Maybe I’m still too new with cameras for this 😂🤦🏾‍♂️
      In terms of colour differences, this MIGHT be human error. I never use auto white balance (I white balanced with a grey card for every test / lens change / filter addition) - however, I’m still learning how to correct / grade V-LOG - and only fairly recently got decent at it.
      Due to the rush of trying to get this video up in a timely fashion, I could have matched things a lot better. But now, I’m curious…… I haven’t updated the 2nd camera as of yet, but am wondering if there is a major colour difference between firmware versions.
      Thanks for the compliment and insight. This rabbit hole has infinite pathways to explore now 😂🙏🏾

  • @Tech_spert
    @Tech_spert 6 месяцев назад +1

    loved the video

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  6 месяцев назад

      Appreciate it 🙏🏾

  • @rw3452
    @rw3452 2 месяца назад +1

    Do you think the tracking of the eye AF drifts? I bought one and found the tracking slow. I had to crack to 5 to get near normal with lumix 35mm 1.8

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  2 месяца назад

      I would try a factory reset after backing up your settings. My 18mm 1.8 and even the 20-60mm kit lens work fine at 0 - rarely misses. But to be honest, I tend turn off eye autofocus in most cases to play it completely safe (especially if I'm filming myself out and about and can't monitor myself). I just use body detect (especially after the almost no light test in this video) - it's been great.

    • @rw3452
      @rw3452 2 месяца назад +1

      @@TechMixr it’s not that it misses but it if you lean forward or back it’s slightly delayed in locking on eye. I’ve had 2 versions that do this. It’s brand new so no need to factory rest. You notice less on wide angles. More on 50mm and 85mm etc but even in my native 35 1.8 I see it, if you are head and shoulders it’s not as noticeable but if it’s a CU on a face it’s there.

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  2 месяца назад

      Interesting. I have mainly wide angle lenses but am looking at the Lumix 24mm & 50mm 1.8 lenses. If I get my hand on those I’m going to check into this as well.

    • @rw3452
      @rw3452 2 месяца назад +1

      @@TechMixr brilliant thanks, I’m sure it’s something that Lumix can fix. I’ve had 3 different Lumix s5iiX’s and see it on all. Also I’ve noticed a slight difference in noise on this last one I’ve got. Noise seems a little more pronounced. But I’m still testing. Btw I’m commenting from my non RUclips channel 😇 although I’ve done a review on the first S5iiX I had I’ll drop an additional comment.

    • @minutesback
      @minutesback 2 месяца назад +1

      My actual review channel 👍. Nice to have found your channel

  • @marcelkrownmotorworks9842
    @marcelkrownmotorworks9842 3 месяца назад +1

    To me, the 2.4 Firmware Version looks sharper and more in focus, than Firmware 3.0. Look at 4:24 Min. or 4:57 Min.: 3.0 is more blurry. You can clearly see this on his Hoodie, so why people see an Improvement with 3.0?

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  3 месяца назад +1

      It is better in some scenarios but sometimes I think 2.4 was better.
      Low light performance is drastically better mind you. But some shots in better light I find it misses a little- not incredibly bad but sometimes noticeable.

  • @chriss2295
    @chriss2295 7 месяцев назад +1

    Parking shot focusing would have been better on both firmwares if the lighting angle would have been different. A few more degrees and your face would have been lighted better. I have both A7iv and S5ii and I’d say the S5ii firmware 3.0 makes the camera just as usable now. Tap to focus is still useless though and I use that a lot.

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  6 месяцев назад

      Fair point. I’m still content with the test. Not all scenarios will be ideal and I’ve tried a similar shot on a friend’s Sony camera months ago and it didn’t have as many issues with it w/ different lens / filter combos.

    • @Zyrk01
      @Zyrk01 4 месяца назад

      Do you think panasonic will release another firmware update with improvements in the auto focus?
      I never followed them in the past so I'm not sure how capable they are. I'm just glad to hear sony has competition now.

  • @z9z1
    @z9z1 7 месяцев назад +2

    I am confused which batter canon R6 EOS or the Panasonic in the video camera

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +1

      Wish I knew! I don’t have access to any other cameras unfortunately to compare.

    • @delysid_musicPY
      @delysid_musicPY 7 месяцев назад

      ruclips.net/video/UIyXsueXk68/видео.html

  • @fabriziopelliccione6810
    @fabriziopelliccione6810 7 месяцев назад +1

    THANK YOU!!!!!

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад

      No worries at all! Happy to help!

  • @coin777
    @coin777 7 месяцев назад +2

    5:20 why such diferent colors?

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +1

      😂 so I’m FINALLY getting a little comfortable with colour grading. I rushed this video out and even though I manually white balanced with a grey card, I didn’t completely match everything.
      I do want to update the 2nd camera and compare it to make sure it wasn’t firmware related. But I’m 99% sure it’s my fault 😂 - I’ll update the comment here if there was a change when I apply the update to the other camera.

  • @efilmowopl
    @efilmowopl 4 месяца назад

    Is it possible to return to firmware 2.4? I have 3.0 installed but I'm not happy with it.

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  4 месяца назад

      @@efilmowopl that’s a good question.
      What is it you’re not happy about with 3.0 specifically?

    • @efilmowopl
      @efilmowopl 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@TechMixr Autofocus in one of the cameras works strangely, it blurs for up to 1-2 seconds.
      Sometimes the exposure goes crazy, it brightens the entire frame to maximum exposure and returns to normal after 3 seconds. there was no problem before.

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  4 месяца назад

      @@efilmowopl the focus can be adjusted, but are you in auto white balance?
      I’d check your sensor doesn’t need to be cleaned. I’ve seen a little spec of dust cause this in a friend’s camera and it drove him insane until he cleaned it.
      My 2 S5 II’s are fine (both are now updated to 3.0)

  • @sols9449
    @sols9449 7 месяцев назад +1

    Did the firmware update change your sensitivity settings? Or reset them?

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +1

      My sensitivity settings were retained! Hope this helps!

    • @sols9449
      @sols9449 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@TechMixr the main thing I see is an improvement is that when it’s set to body detection and you’re with multiple people it’s less chaotic and clear to move between people as far as the eye auto focus. I don’t see any improvement.

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +1

      @@sols9449 that seems to be the consensus among many people so far it looks like.

  • @samhawkes6597
    @samhawkes6597 7 месяцев назад +1

    seeing these tests, i cant see why everybody on youtube is raving that this is now on par or close to Sonys auto focus? It is better in certain scenarios, but its still pretty rough compared to Sonys

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад

      I’m not accusing anybody of clickbait …… but where there’s smoke ….

  • @KennyCarter90
    @KennyCarter90 7 месяцев назад +1

    What the heck?? I have teh DJI Rs3 and the Lumix S5 II with latest firmware and the gimbal doesn't track me! How do you set that up?
    EDIT: Ah I see. You have to pull the trigger. Gosh, I've had this gimbal for a year and I just figured that out!!

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад

      So when you connect the camera, choose PC tethering. Then I triple pull the trigger to bring the camera towards me. Then once I’m in the framing I want, I just click the trigger once.
      Let me know if that works, hope this is helpful!

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад

      Glad it worked out!

  • @jeirg-lr8vf
    @jeirg-lr8vf 7 месяцев назад +3

    It still suck. They don`t fix FF mode 1080 50-60fps pdaf to dfd switch( that was my only complain becouse mostly I shoot FHD50)

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +1

      The things I WISH this camera would do:
      - 4K60 with no crop (I’m dreaming hard, it won’t happen in this camera)
      - 1080p120 with phase detect. I’d be happy with this (even with a crop) and I’d use topaz to upscale it to 4K or even 1440
      With all their firmware updates they tend to do- MAYBE we’ll see a Firmware 3.5 update that adds PDAF to the 1080p high frame rate modes. I’m not counting on it, but I can dream and hope, right?
      Question for you, why not do 4K50/60? It retains PDAF. Just curious is all.

    • @jeirg-lr8vf
      @jeirg-lr8vf 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@TechMixr I buy FF camera with PDAF. If I wanned to shoot in APSC I would buy some crop from sony. Panasonic don`t tell us about FF FHD 50-60 AF switch and if I knew it I rather get sony A7IV

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +1

      @@jeirg-lr8vffair point

    • @9adriano21
      @9adriano21 6 месяцев назад

      The tracking is more on the RS3 then on the camera tracking, I thought that the new firmware would be awesome to use the gimbal tracking on cars, but even the camera is still tracking, the RS3 loses it. So hopefully there’s a future firmware update that improves the “stickyness”, or maybe the RS4 does it better. Also, which there was a smoother option for such tracking

  • @martysender5539
    @martysender5539 5 месяцев назад +1

    No UFO detection mode. Pass!

  • @NathanKatash
    @NathanKatash 7 месяцев назад +1

    did you shoot 1080P? 50 or 25?

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +1

      5.9K 29.97 for all except the Sigma 16mm which is only in APSC mode. That lens is limited 4K - so was shot at 29.97
      I’m in the NTSC region.

  • @SarveshPonnusamy-p7e
    @SarveshPonnusamy-p7e 7 месяцев назад +1

    Are you an India?

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад

      West Indian born in Canada.

  • @JeffBourke
    @JeffBourke 7 месяцев назад +1

    Embargo on a FIRMWARE update is ridiculous. Panasonic campaigned this firmware update like it was a new camera. Ridiculous. Oh, did I mention took that it’s free???? Free??? Free!! A joke.

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад

      😂😂👌🏾
      Yeah I made sure not to mention the “price”
      I get that they’re trying to show the value of the camera. Not to knock a bunch of other RUclipsrs, but this was kind of hilarious to see people talk about “game changing” this and that.
      Don’t get me wrong, I could be guilty of that one day, but today isn’t that day 😂

  • @DimitriosMegas
    @DimitriosMegas 7 месяцев назад +1

    AMAZING review! Thanks for this one! 🫶🏼

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад

      No worries at all. Thanks so much for the compliment! 🙏🏾

  • @ozzozz3529
    @ozzozz3529 7 месяцев назад +2

    Still no 4k 120 fps 👎👎👎

    • @TechMixr
      @TechMixr  7 месяцев назад +4

      I think because this camera needs to crop in to even do 4K60 - it’s probably a sensor / processor limitation. The hardware probably just can’t do it so a firmware update won’t fix it sadly.

    • @UnbiddenZed
      @UnbiddenZed 7 месяцев назад

      wouldn't be a 2000$ camera if the hardware supported it 😊

    • @ozzozz3529
      @ozzozz3529 7 месяцев назад

      @@UnbiddenZed gh6 do

    • @UnbiddenZed
      @UnbiddenZed 7 месяцев назад +2

      Not a full frame camera...