+Emily Fernandez Absolutely true, a great movie, unlike most of the Disney movies today. I love this movie, and all of the characters in it, especially Tito. The songs were right on time. Love it. I completely agree very underrated.
I feel like too many people forget about this movie because it was too dark and it wasn't a love story like most Disney movies. But that's unfortunate since it was always one of my favorites. The songs never get old and the characters are epic and the animation is freakin' amazing!
I knew I wasn’t the only one, and I’ve never even been to New York. The towers were destroyed a month after I turned six. And what’s worse, I don’t even remember 9/11. I have absolutely no memory of that day. I don’t even remember going home from school early
Rita is a Saluki Dodger is a Jack Russell Terrier Tito is a Chihuahua Francis is an English Bulldog Einstein is a Great Dane And Roscoe and DeSoto are Doberman Pinchers
Way underrated version on bringing Oliver Twist to Disney in the form of animals. The talents of Billy Joel (Dodger), the late Dom Deluise (Fagin) and many others...wow! This is quite an intriguing film, I'd definitely suggest it
Am I the only one that prefers the old World Trade Center over the new one? It just felt more like an actual complex, rather than a series of buildings that vaguely tie into each other.
0:04 When I watched this movie at five years old, this single moment was the epitome of cool. Surfing on a car and tipping a wink while singing an amazing song about how he doesn't worry or care. I actually wished I could turn into Dodger and live in this film universe where that was possible.
Canadian But I like Disney movie sequels especially ones by DreamWorks. Oliver and Company deserves a sequel especially with Dodger as the main protagonist and it should be called Dodger and Company.
I mean, it's New York. It probably isn't even the first time it's happened this week. Probably not even the weirdest thing most of the drivers have seen while living there.
Shali Williams this movie was made in 1988 do you think they will make a comeback and even if they did make a Oliver and the company 2 what would the plot even be?
This is 1 of the shortest Disney movies we've ever gotten. It's only 73 minutes long, but just because it's a short movie doesn't mean that it's bad. This is 1 of Disney's most UNDERRATED classics.
Noooo no no no no at this point this far into the future I can almost 100% guarantee you would regret wishing for that O.O This movie gives me life but I think making a sequel after so long would be not great...
not trying to hate but seeing other Disney sequels (Pocahontas 2, Mulan 2, Hunchback of Notre Dame 2, Little Mermaid 2&3, All Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin sequels) I don't think its a great idea lol😂
+Rafael Patrón Frozen isn't a bad movie, it's just an _extremely_ overrated movie. Hell, I found Frozen to be pretty funny and enjoyed most of the characters. I even liked Let it Go before everyone and their hamster were singing the song and ruined it. Disney has completely oversaturated their market with Frozen, and so it went from a movie that was fairly enjoyable to one I never want to see again.
True, I guess if everyone hadn't been so hyped up about it and hadn't sung the songs so horribly and annoyingly around me then I might've liked it a bit. But then again, I'm more of a DreamWorks fan than a Disney one
I get chills when I see the final shot of the movie showing Manhattan with the twin towers. It probably has to do with them singing "Why Should We Worry" right beforehand. I'm glad the movie hasn't been altered to remove the towers. It gives an added meaning to the song and the movie. They are a reminder to enjoy life and not to worry too much, even though the future is uncertain.
*Fun Fact:* A character was cut late in the production of this movie. You can see a few empty spaces in some scenes, but the most obvious one at 0:45 where there's a missing space above Rita The character cut was Sally; a female Golden Retriever. The Execs thought there were too many dogs in this film about a cat so Sally who did not have a significant role in the story was cut. Her lines were given to the Great Dane, Einstein. Which is also why he seems to change personality from scene to scene.
These songs are just so AMAZING!!! I sure wish we had those fantastic glorious marvelous delightful magical spectacular days again with these kinds of movies playing in theaters!!!
I love how back in the day Disney either chose people with some decent singing skills so they didn't have to get someone to do their singing voice (ex. Jeremy Irons as Scar) but even better when they get an actual music artist like Billy Joel to do the part AND their singing voice
I just watched this movie for the first time and there was honestly not a single uninteresting or bad scene. Its not the absolutely best disney movie ever of course, but its for sure one of their better ones. The plot, characters and animation were just amazing, and it was absolutely not predictable (compare it to one of the latest disney movies "Raya and the last dragon" which had one of the most predictable plots ive ever seen in a disney movie or in any animated movie; it was still a great movie, the dragon was very likeable and looked breathtaking, and the animation was on a top level, but the fact that you knew what was going to happen next throughout the whole movie and the main message of that movie didnt make any sence since it only happened when the main characters had no other choice (i dont wanna spoil anything lmao)). This movie on the other hand, I dont have a single thing to criticize it for, just a really good dinsey movie, and yeah its underrated. It may be not as interesting as the best ones like Lion King or 101 Dalmatians for example, but its still a very, very, very good movie.
I love it when people do this, get an actor that has a music backround or can at least sing, Disney used to always do this, like Billy Joel here for example
When I was younger I tolerated this movie. The villan was too much for me and I often got scared during it. But I adored the kitten aspect. Now I like shit, this movie is great! And to tackle how people miss this type of animation, I too wish Disney would keep their promise after the sucsess of princess and the frog to make animated movies like this one every other year. But these movies are ridiculously expensive, and though Disney owns everything and could obviously pay for it in the nineties and early 2000s, inflation and the recession haven't missed huge corporations like Disney. Also, computer animated movies are "in" and cheaper to make. They also require an enormous ammount of manpower and time, both things that are good for making a stupendous movie, but are far harder to do than a computer animated film.
Nah, they use Toon Boom software to make 2D animated films now. That's what they used for Princess and the Frog and the new Winnie the Pooh. I highly doubt it's that expensive to make a 2D film compared to a high-budget CGI film which requires hours to render a single frame of film (24 frames in a second). It's not about how much money they invest, but how much money they lose. Maybe if they used CAPS again or reinvented the process again altogether, then it'd be another story.
this little clip made my day. I loved this movie. And seeing the ending clip actually made me cry a few tears of joy because it had such an impact on my childhood and made me so happy back then. That was a time when i believed the world was good, fun, and worth living for. Today, i look back at some of my naive ways and say to myself "If only i could live like that again.". "Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." ~Thomas Grey
Breeds of animals Oliver: Tabby kitten Dodger: Jack Russell (I believe) Tito: Chihuahua Francis: English Bulldog Einstein: Great Dane Rita: Saluki Georgette: Poodle Roscoe and DeSoto: Doberman Pinschers
I used to watch this movie all the time when I was little, everytime I did I'd put on blue eyeshadow just like Georgette and dance across the streets like Rita and Dodger while singing the songs. And you know what? I still do. :P
My fav Disney movie, oh man so many childhood feels.. I genuinely love that song, it's been on my playlist since forever now :') It helped me get through some difficult moments as well.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the ending song of one of the most underrated Disney movie ever.
You wanted to say, one of the most shitty Disney movie ever? Yes i agree.
Ooh, hater thinks he can get to me. You failed. I don't care what you think, you're entitled to your own opinion.
Emily Fernandez To stated the fact, means to be a hater...Wow....
+Emily Fernandez Absolutely true, a great movie, unlike most of the Disney movies today. I love this movie, and all of the characters in it, especially Tito. The songs were right on time. Love it. I completely agree very underrated.
Absolutley no... Any 2000s disney movie>>>>>>>>>>>oliver and co.
Imagine what those dogs sound like to the human characters. just rhythmic barking and howling.
But the point is, it would still sound really cool
Hyenacub 993
That's their owners money problems gone right there.
Unless if the characters could understand what animals say
Actually reminds me of Fox and the Hound 2 of all things where that’s basically how they justified the dogs singing
I just love Rita. The part where she pulled Dodger away from those girl dogs is classic.
SHE was jealous
Woman really said “oh heck no your kidding, you can’t be cheating on me.”
Wait what? I just noticed that!
I feel like too many people forget about this movie because it was too dark and it wasn't a love story like most Disney movies. But that's unfortunate since it was always one of my favorites. The songs never get old and the characters are epic and the animation is freakin' amazing!
I think about it so often! I still love this movie *-* That was my childhood!
I loved this movie! I would not have heard of Billy Joel or Cheech Marin if it wasnt for Dodger and Tito!♡♥☆★
Lindsey Theresa Music One of the few things that I'll very nostalgic over. :)
Lindsey Theresa Music Same!
Lindsey Theresa Music This Song Was My Favorite Childhood Film!
The way Rita pulls Dodger back from staring at the female dogs 😂 CLASSIC
Who tears up at the sight of the Twin Towers standing tall and proud over the city?
Ryan Marra I am clearly not a NYer but that event was a tragedy.
R.i.p to the people who were killed in 9/11 they'll be missed!
You know if they're going to reboot the movie, they should just remaster it in modern day new york.
Lmao
I knew I wasn’t the only one, and I’ve never even been to New York. The towers were destroyed a month after I turned six. And what’s worse, I don’t even remember 9/11. I have absolutely no memory of that day. I don’t even remember going home from school early
When it says "The ryhthm of the city, but once you get it down, said you can own the town, you can wear the crown" always gives me goosebumps.
@heather Same \m/
That last shot of NYC with the Twin Towers, just knowing that we'll never see that in another Disney movie again makes me cry.
Rita is a Saluki
Dodger is a Jack Russell Terrier
Tito is a Chihuahua
Francis is an English Bulldog
Einstein is a Great Dane
And Roscoe and DeSoto are Doberman Pinchers
Ethan Cooper And Georgette is a Poodle
Ethan Cooper no shit sherlock
@@puddles3425
I really love Dodger he's my favorite dog character in Oliver and Company.
You sure Dodger is a Jack? I always thought he was a mix, not to mention he is way to big for a Jack, even if it is an animated movie.
I think he's a mix, but he definitely has a good deal of Jack in that mix.
Tito drumming on the siren was life😂😂😂 and we all knew Rita was finna snatch Dodger up.
Way underrated version on bringing Oliver Twist to Disney in the form of animals. The talents of Billy Joel (Dodger), the late Dom Deluise (Fagin) and many others...wow! This is quite an intriguing film, I'd definitely suggest it
Not to mention that instead of London, this version of Oliver Twist takes place in New York City.
Hola COMO 😊😊
This will always be one of my fav Disney films!
@@vinny1537
I love it too
@@joshmontemayor6098
Yeah and this is way better and happier than Oliver Twist.
0:01 Now thats how you make an exit
yea ikr :3
1:02 Well, that was the real New York.. I miss that old gold days.. ❤️🇺🇸
Am I the only one that prefers the old World Trade Center over the new one? It just felt more like an actual complex, rather than a series of buildings that vaguely tie into each other.
@@TheRealNTM Exactly dude, the new buildings of the New WTC sucks, I miss the original complex buildings.
@@MyLife_in_aNutshell At least we made the people responsible pay very dearly for what they did.
Yeah this movie made want to go there... Almost did anyways
@@OriginalLonelygstar
They should make new two towers to replace the old ones.
0:04 When I watched this movie at five years old, this single moment was the epitome of cool. Surfing on a car and tipping a wink while singing an amazing song about how he doesn't worry or care. I actually wished I could turn into Dodger and live in this film universe where that was possible.
JimmySteller we have ALL wished that same type of thing once😂
How has that image not become a meme yet?
This is criminally underrated along with The Great Mouse Detective, Rescuers 2 Down Under and my favorite, A Goofy Movie
@Neevkl_7
That's so unfair Disney sequels are usually the best because they have better villains and a better pairing of two Characters.
Canadian
But I like Disney movie sequels especially ones by DreamWorks.
Oliver and Company deserves a sequel especially with Dodger as the main protagonist and it should be called Dodger and Company.
I like how the drivers don’t care about the dogs jumping on their cars, trucks and bus
I mean, it's New York. It probably isn't even the first time it's happened this week. Probably not even the weirdest thing most of the drivers have seen while living there.
@@kattriella1331
Plus everyone would happily take in stray dogs.
With all of the natural disasters and alien invasions, let alone monster terrors, what's a few stray dogs 🤷♂️🤣
Welcome to New York City where everything happens.
At 0:46 it makes me sad because of the empty spot, like their missing Oliver, otherwise I love the song!
I know a month old comment but, it's sad but it's kinda showing that Oliver will never be replaced, that he always has them to call a home and family
They should make a oliver and cumpony 2
Shali Williams this movie was made in 1988 do you think they will make a comeback and even if they did make a Oliver and the company 2 what would the plot even be?
Shali Williams I feel like this is one of the classic movies that don't need sequels
Silent Wolf a live action reboot would be interesting it would probably ruin Sykes cuz I don't think he would be allowed to be as dark today
As a kid I used to cry when this ended it felt short tbh but it’s definitely an underrated gem
Don't worry, it'll get more love soon
This is 1 of the shortest Disney movies we've ever gotten. It's only 73 minutes long, but just because it's a short movie doesn't mean that it's bad. This is 1 of Disney's most UNDERRATED classics.
I don't care what people say about this movie but its a part of my childhood and still love this movie.
Touché
This makes me tear
This is one of my favourite movies of all time. So underrated
The Gilson Station Same! I Grew Up With This Movie! Great Times!
@@nickk7769
Whenever I watched this movie I wore a bandana and pretended to be Dodger.
Wonderful drawing of NYC!!! The city is one of the character of this great movie 😄
You know what, I like the product placement they put in like Coke, Kodak, and USA Today. It gave their take on New York City a more realistic feel.
+SirSarcastic Avengers, Fantastic Four, Spiderman, You've got mail.... etc.
+SirSarcastic yeah
Ryder trucks
OH GOD THE NOSTALGIA IS COURSING THROUGH MY BLOOD
One of the Original Squads right here y'all.
Damn, so much class and soul! Great messege too! No need to worry peeps, look on the bright side, always!
+Alex Hubbard Amen
which movie is the best at singing fox in the hound 2 or oliver & company?
+Tails The Fox oliver and company
Tails The Fox I agree. Oliver and Company
The Last Sheikah
I don't know why but i love the little mexican Chihuahua.
His name is Tito,
Oh ok
Lillian Alexia oh ok
How can you not love him? haha.
Tito is the best I the now York city west
the ryhthm of the city part always hit me
This is the best Disney film of all time if you never watched this movie your missing out
This doesn't top The Lion King, but it's still a good movie nonetheless.
*Later Kid*
They should make a second movie when Oliver is bigger :D
Returning with the gang
They TOTALLY should
Noooo no no no no at this point this far into the future I can almost 100% guarantee you would regret wishing for that O.O This movie gives me life but I think making a sequel after so long would be not great...
No just no
not trying to hate but seeing other Disney sequels (Pocahontas 2, Mulan 2, Hunchback of Notre Dame 2, Little Mermaid 2&3, All Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin sequels) I don't think its a great idea lol😂
+Fat Whale if there is a sequel to it though, I will still watch it a billion times no matter how disappointing...
Why people prefer frozen instead of this?
Are they nuts?
+Rafael Patrón Why do people prefer Frozen over anything? Take out the songs in Frozen and you pretty much have no film
+Rafael Patrón They apparently are. I'd rather watch this or buy any toy themed on this movie than that overrated piece of shit
+Rafael Patrón Frozen isn't a bad movie, it's just an _extremely_ overrated movie. Hell, I found Frozen to be pretty funny and enjoyed most of the characters. I even liked Let it Go before everyone and their hamster were singing the song and ruined it. Disney has completely oversaturated their market with Frozen, and so it went from a movie that was fairly enjoyable to one I never want to see again.
Jailyn Elcock kinda the same here, except for the fact that I started hating it very quickly. Either way, I'd still prefer this than Frozen
True, I guess if everyone hadn't been so hyped up about it and hadn't sung the songs so horribly and annoyingly around me then I might've liked it a bit. But then again, I'm more of a DreamWorks fan than a Disney one
Every Disney movie that I've seen growing up I still have on VHS and I still watch them. This was one of my favorites
this scene makes me so happy
Same x3
I am Japanese. I think too!
I learned the person who does Tito's voice is the same one who did Banzai in The Lion King.
77J you heard right Tito's vioce is the same actor who plays Bazai in the lion king. :D
Cheech Marin of Cheech and Chong, man.
77J, he also voices Ramone in Cars 1, Cars 2, & Cars 3.
Duh lol
oh my gosh that is so cool i had no idea
Most underrated exit ever! ❤ gah I love this movie!
I LIKE THE PART THAT THAY ALL JUMP
O:38 Rita was like oh no you dont!
Haha! Rita grabbed dodger because she was jealous!😍Love Tito is so cute and voiced by Cheech Marin!💗💘💖💕
RITA AND DODGER ARE AWESOME
They should have puppies when they get married
I get chills when I see the final shot of the movie showing Manhattan with the twin towers. It probably has to do with them singing "Why Should We Worry" right beforehand.
I'm glad the movie hasn't been altered to remove the towers. It gives an added meaning to the song and the movie. They are a reminder to enjoy life and not to worry too much, even though the future is uncertain.
If I go to NYC and I don't see this irk I will be very disappointed
bring a dog
There goes $1,000+!
Karatto AJ great
*Fun Fact:* A character was cut late in the production of this movie. You can see a few empty spaces in some scenes, but the most obvious one at 0:45 where there's a missing space above Rita
The character cut was Sally; a female Golden Retriever. The Execs thought there were too many dogs in this film about a cat so Sally who did not have a significant role in the story was cut.
Her lines were given to the Great Dane, Einstein. Which is also why he seems to change personality from scene to scene.
would never have noticed if not for reading that
These songs are just so AMAZING!!! I sure wish we had those fantastic glorious marvelous delightful magical spectacular days again with these kinds of movies playing in theaters!!!
not gonna lie I teared up a little bit this was my favorite Disney movie
I love how back in the day Disney either chose people with some decent singing skills so they didn't have to get someone to do their singing voice (ex. Jeremy Irons as Scar) but even better when they get an actual music artist like Billy Joel to do the part AND their singing voice
B1izzardHawk don't forget Idina Menzel as Elsa and Mandy Moore as Rapunzel. They might not be Billy Joel but they're talented
One of my favorite movies
The one Disney movie that would be PERFECT for a sequel.
What about Great Mouse Detective?
This movie was truly so much fun to watch.
I'm Love News York's city. 💖🇺🇸💝
0:53-1:05 And that’s it…..Farewell to the old era of Disney.
Hello to the new era of Disney.
The Renaissance era.
And this is what made me love NYC... :)
I just watched this movie for the first time and there was honestly not a single uninteresting or bad scene. Its not the absolutely best disney movie ever of course, but its for sure one of their better ones. The plot, characters and animation were just amazing, and it was absolutely not predictable (compare it to one of the latest disney movies "Raya and the last dragon" which had one of the most predictable plots ive ever seen in a disney movie or in any animated movie; it was still a great movie, the dragon was very likeable and looked breathtaking, and the animation was on a top level, but the fact that you knew what was going to happen next throughout the whole movie and the main message of that movie didnt make any sence since it only happened when the main characters had no other choice (i dont wanna spoil anything lmao)). This movie on the other hand, I dont have a single thing to criticize it for, just a really good dinsey movie, and yeah its underrated. It may be not as interesting as the best ones like Lion King or 101 Dalmatians for example, but its still a very, very, very good movie.
The Great Mouse Detective and this are underrated
Teto is my spirit animal literally he’s like my real life chihuahua lol
I concur.
“If this is torture, chain me to the wall”
@@tcakejik Lol
The dogs are doing parkour while singing!
Thats awesome then again I'd expect no less from a Disney classic! :D
This makes me really miss being a kid again lol :/ loved this vhs lol
Rita grabs dodger😍😍😍
Gunna totally sing this at the top of my voice when I leave to go home in a week or so!! ^_^ one of the best disney songs ever :P
I love it when people do this, get an actor that has a music backround or can at least sing, Disney used to always do this, like Billy Joel here for example
I miss this old Disney magic. The effects that it had on your emotions like this.
Am i the ONLY ONE inlove with dodger? Like dude what a handsome dog 😆
No you’re not the only one. As I child I liked him too
Not surprising considering that he was voiced by Billy Joel
@@codyflake3080
I also like him too
Tito = amazingness
It’s been years since I’ve watched this movie but DAMN I loved watching it growing up
That weird but still awesome moment when you realize that the guy who did Logan wrote one of your childhood movies
He also did Copland
Thumbs up for our beloved Twin Towers.
The best movie ever, and one of my favorite soundtracks! ❤️
When I was younger I tolerated this movie. The villan was too much for me and I often got scared during it. But I adored the kitten aspect. Now I like shit, this movie is great! And to tackle how people miss this type of animation, I too wish Disney would keep their promise after the sucsess of princess and the frog to make animated movies like this one every other year. But these movies are ridiculously expensive, and though Disney owns everything and could obviously pay for it in the nineties and early 2000s, inflation and the recession haven't missed huge corporations like Disney. Also, computer animated movies are "in" and cheaper to make. They also require an enormous ammount of manpower and time, both things that are good for making a stupendous movie, but are far harder to do than a computer animated film.
Inflation has decreased now though, and lets be honest Disney does have a hell of a lot of money.
Nah, they use Toon Boom software to make 2D animated films now. That's what they used for Princess and the Frog and the new Winnie the Pooh. I highly doubt it's that expensive to make a 2D film compared to a high-budget CGI film which requires hours to render a single frame of film (24 frames in a second). It's not about how much money they invest, but how much money they lose. Maybe if they used CAPS again or reinvented the process again altogether, then it'd be another story.
They simply can't make them like they used too, all the artist know is cg these days
I used to watch the hell out of this movie. Really miss the era of DVDs and VHS. Why can't we get more films like this anymore?
this little clip made my day. I loved this movie. And seeing the ending clip actually made me cry a few tears of joy because it had such an impact on my childhood and made me so happy back then.
That was a time when i believed the world was good, fun, and worth living for. Today, i look back at some of my naive ways and say to myself "If only i could live like that again.".
"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." ~Thomas Grey
Squad goals.
I love dodgers voice
Billy Joel
Not going to lie, this is my favourite part of the film, and I'll happily sit and watch it just for this song.
0:47 the tringal of pipes they are in the one part that's missing means that one of them are missing and by that i mean the cat
When I was little, I loved the way they hopped all over the cars while still singing in unison. I still do now. :D
Damn this film brings back good memories.
Oliver & Company filming locations
New York City NY
New York
Sykes' Warehouse
Foxworth Residence
Fagin's Barge
Manhattan NY
watching this film now, it makes me smile so much.
That moment when you realize you have a crush on a *dog*
Comments like this must do wonders for Billy Joel's self-esteem, haha.
A great ending to an even greater movie
this made me tear up because they deserve the world.
This is one of my favourite movies of all time, period I sometimes forget its for, Disney.
Tito is awesome and so is dodger
Breeds of animals
Oliver: Tabby kitten
Dodger: Jack Russell (I believe)
Tito: Chihuahua
Francis: English Bulldog
Einstein: Great Dane
Rita: Saluki
Georgette: Poodle
Roscoe and DeSoto: Doberman Pinschers
I thought Oliver was a ginger kitten? He always looked ginger to me, not tabby brown.
0:39 goosebumps cause that part is so good
when i was little, like 5, whenever i was sick, i would watch this movie. everytime. :)
I'm going back into time and watching these old Disney movies, a bast from my past, I wish the Disney now could make more movies like this !!!
I love the thumbnail, Tito sticking his tongue out being all cute.
The rhythm of the city
Once you get it down
You can run this town
You can wear the crown
That just took me WAY back! The nostalgia is so strong because I haven't heard this song in at least a decade. So good :)
I used to watch this movie all the time when I was little, everytime I did I'd put on blue eyeshadow just like Georgette and dance across the streets like Rita and Dodger while singing the songs.
And you know what? I still do. :P
Dodger was my favorite! I loved Dodge, he was so cool to me when I was little
I have this movie !
Why did this movie have to be so underrated? one my favorites growing up.
One of if not the best disney film ever. For a film about cartoon dogs and a cat it doesnt half put a lump in my throat watching this
I miss watching this movie.
does anyone else get chills from this or is it just me?
Such good memories :')
You don't know how much I relate to this. I'll always love cartoons and movies like this. I just can't outgrow them.
Kids missed the hight of Disney. They are all tip off classics now
Dear 80's,come back so we all can live happy
Omg i havent seen this movie in forever, this brings back some good memories :)
This film brings back my childhood memories so well!!!
Childhood 🤧
Frr this isnt just the language i used To watch this movie. Feels very wrong to listen this In english
My fav Disney movie, oh man so many childhood feels.. I genuinely love that song, it's been on my playlist since forever now :') It helped me get through some difficult moments as well.
makes me cry in a good way ah memories... sweet memories
I will never love this movie any less, and now that I finally remembered the name, I'ma love it even more.