I’ve been racing MudBOSS for the last five years. In the beginning Salvas even admitted that he never had the MudBOSS name trademarked up until maybe two weeks ago, so in the beginning when the Slash Modified first came out as the MudBOSS Salvas couldn’t really do anything about it. I think the MudBOSS community is really what spurred Traxxas to change the name by reacting the way they did. If the creation of this new car did anything, it actually helped spur more interest in dirt oval RC racing.
Well given traxxas's history I get the feeling they changed it because it got trademarked. I don't blame salvas for trademarking at all. Putting 10 years into something only to have a company try to cash in on its name especially one that is litigious as Traxxas probably doesn't feel very good
It seems like since Salvas didn't have the tm on the name, Traxxas told them to kick rocks about working together. That's probably why they tm the name so recently.
It was just a little local thing where I live. Nothing major. I was dating the daughter of a guy who built open wheel modifieds for a living so I ended up getting pretty heavily involved in it.
@@DoRC it's amazing how guys squeeze so much power from those engines with all the restrictions placed on them. I ran caged fwd, 2.3 Ford killed! There were very few ecotecs to be found in the pits. I loved grooving the tires, just something about the smell I guess and hoping the teams siping was set for the tracks blue groove.
Well given that it's design basically to run in the mud boss class it's not super crazy that they would name it that but coming from a bit of experience with full size racing modified definitely makes more sense to me.
@@nicko2222yeah the entire suspension,shocks,transmission,body and about a half dozen things are illegal for mudboss class literally about the only thing on the car legal for the class is the wheel nuts ,bearings and maybe the chassis plate assuming it’s not slightly different from a normal slash lcg chassis plate
One of these babies was unboxed, sitting on the counter at my local hobby shop on my last visit. No matter the name, that body looks so good with the open front wheels. I have absolutely no need for this car, not an oval track in sight, but i still want it. I agree, Traxxas falls short in many ways, but they put out attractive, eye catching products.
Would you be upset if you spend a decade creating and working on something only to have a giant corporation that's known for crushing the little guy come in and hashing on the name of that thing you've worked on?
@DoRC if I create something, work and put all the effort to build it up and make it known, I would have trademarked/patented from the beginning, not giving a bigger company a chance to profit off of my intellectual property. For right or wrong that's how corporate America works.
@@superrocketRC Fair enough but doing things like trademarking names and then suing people for using those trademark names is exactly what people get upset at Traxxas for. To be honest the guy probably didn't realize he needed to. A lot of people don't really even realize that they need to protect their IP until something like this happens. I'm not saying Traxxas did anything illegal but it's certainly not the most friendly thing to do especially given that it seems like this guy has been trying to work with Traxxas for years on this project.
@@DoRC Hi - RC hobbiest and intellectual property lawyer here. Even if you have not registered a trade mark, you can have unregistered trade mark rights arising from first use in the market (registration of a trade mark just makes an infringement case easier in certain respects). Depending on the facts in this case, it may be that Traxxas was alleged to have infringed unregistered trade mark rights, and ceased use because it took the view that it was at risk of losing that dispute.
I was JUST talking about this on your Nero video. Not the same level as getting slapped by Formula 1 for pushrod suspension, but good to start seeing the equal and opposite reaction!
i tried to get into the oval racing and it was just too many cry babies. You find a nice groove and tune up and then three grown men cry about cheating and "not class legal" only to find out they just suck on the controller.
I recently started doing Mudboss just a week or two ago, but our FB Group (Which is where Mudboss was created) has been flooded with questions and complaints of people buying these Mudboss’s. And I’ve talked with my LHS and they explained to me that back in 2013ish, Eric Salvas created Mudboss, he tried contacting them to create a Roller Kit Version and to sell to Eric a 1000 Slash 2WD Rollers, but unfortunately that never happened…
Traxxas had to do this with the spartan when it first came out. It was originally called the titan, but another company had a boat called that. They had to delay the release of the boat. I ended up getting mine on Christmas eve instead of during the summer.
@@DoRC yep. I was really looking forward to getting the boat from the videos traxxas released of it. They ended up having issues with the power system it came with originally too. I had to get mine replaced for free with the castle based system it came with later.
That implies bashing is for kids. I know a lot of adults that bash :-) but then again maybe we're all kids. We are all playing with toy cars whether we're racing or bashing.
It's true, none of the national shops have them in stock till around August 21st. I got lucky and ordered mine right front Traxxas last week and had it delivered in 2 days. Awesome car and the best handling car I've ever driven. I race competitively.
@@shaynejenkins446Well, considering traxxas is probably the biggest and most well known RC company I'd say its true. Sadly Arrmma is their only REAL competition. Tekhno/Team associated and so on are completely different spec cars, not to mention most of them only come as rollers. Traxxas and Arrma have the RTR on lock down.
They didn’t get in trouble they just got tons of backlash for using the name, Salvas never trademarked the name mudboss therefore Traxxis was completely ok with using that name
Sort of. They actually did trademark the name a couple of weeks ago and Traxxas then changed the name. I have a hard time believing that's a coincidence. Also by trouble I didn't necessarily mean legal trouble I just meant that things happen that encourage them not to use the name anymore. I suspect though that if they hadn't changed it they would have been illegal trouble so it's kind of a distinction without a difference if you know what I mean
Keep in mind there wasn't a lawsuit in this case I just think Traxxas saw the potential writing on the wall and decided to change the name before it became a problem
I really hate the company feuds, this is a great hobby for all ages and it’s supposed to be fun!!! Yea I get some rivalry that’s inevitable but drop the Arrma vs Traxxas crap and just have fun!! 🤘🏻
For one thing, the Salvas class is based on a HCG Slash chassis and other parts that will be going away soon. Why buy a stock Slash and a Salvas kit for more money than a Traxxas Modified? Especially when the Modified is ready to race out of the box?
@@gwcrispi Yeah for sure. From a customer point of view it definitely makes sense. It makes it feel even more though like Traxxas just used the mud boss name as a marketing tool never really intending to be able to get away with using it long-term
This car is way better than a Salvas Mudboss(for the beginner driver). It is also cheaper. The Mudboss class will suffer from the release of this new car. Tracks all around are running this as a box stock class. This is what is going to hurt the Mudboss scene. New drivers will race these instead of building the Salva's version.
I'm old as hell and I think I first heard the name Mudboss in the '70s as a term that referred to the old dirt modifieds that were racing out in New England or Pennsylvania back then. Maybe it was Mud Bus? Probably a play on that. 🤷♂️
Maybe so. I hadn't heard it until recently but I also wasn't really in the scene back then. I did some open wheel modified pit work about 15 years ago but they were just called open wheel modifieds at that time where I was.
It’s getting really hard to overlook all the dirty shenanigans traxxas has been pulling over the years, I would like to think they are just another rc company trying to protect what’s there’s but they are fast becoming something to avoid by many. They seem to be guilty of what they sue others for.
@@guest6423 doing the right thing when you're forced to doesn't really mean that you're doing better. The right thing would have been to either not use the mud boss name or at least work with the creator of the mud boss on the project.
Yeah a lot of people feel that way. Personally I think protecting ones IP is fine but at least in my research it seems like some of the things that Traxxas sues for or patents that they created on ideas that they didn't come up with. That doesn't feel awesome to me.
I really do love this. It’s also the reason I dislike Traxxas. They sued for Max! The most cliche product name you can think of! Every other product in the world used it before Traxxas.
Yeah I can kind of understand them doing that for competition in the hobby but suing HBO for it seems a little odd. Then again I'm not them and I don't know what they know.
They used that name to generate a buzz, thats why barely any hobby shops got them and they didnt get many cause traxxas known this would happen but look now everybody knows about it
@@DoRCI guess more interchangeable parts between other brands I’ve heard some complaints that they’re more designed to just fit traxxas parts instead of aftermarket options. But I don’t buy traxxas so I will never know.
@@BrownsRC there's a really strong aftermarket for Traxxas vehicles. I would say it rivals Arrma and the two of them are ahead of pretty much every other brand.
The vehicle doesn’t conform to rules, the shocks, transmission, wheels/ tires are all not allowed by rules as well as the body. Also the front and rear arms, caster blocks and carriers are all not compliant. Someone would have to almost rebuild the whole car besides the chassis and electronics
Yeah and I'm sure Traxxas knew that which kind of makes me wonder if they were always planning on changing the name and just wanted to cash in on the recognition and controversy. That would explain why the mud boss name isn't on the car even though I think the name of the vehicles on literally every other car they've ever made
Interestingly from what I've seen that's what some people like about Traxxas. They enjoy being able to use the same parts on cars year after year and not ever having to worry about running out of spares. It's not a point of view I've ever really thought about but it's definitely an interesting one
@KJ4ENS they show it all the time to us hobbiests with their lawsuits. So yes, I absolutely do believe Traxxis gives a rats ass about the hobby or its patrons.
Other yourtubers have been quick to defend Traxxass and say the name wasn't Trademarked and Traxxass gave up the name, pretty much out of the good of their heart. FYI, Salvas did finally trademark the name as of June 21, 2024. I don't Traxxass gave it up as nicely as others would lead you to believe.
Yeah I have a hard time believing they did it out of the goodness of their own heart given their track record. It's a lot more likely that once the trademark application was put in they saw the writing on the wall and figured this was the cheapest way to get out of the problem while at the same time saving some face. But that's just my opinion and it's worth just about as much as anybody else's :-)
I hate traxxas as a company but the slash platform is perfect. Parts are always available and cheap. You can buy a losi and parts will be backordered the same year of release
Yeah the slash has been around a long time and definitely has a lot of fans. I've owned a few of them over the years and never had any particular problems with them
Not sure I agree with that. They only "did the right thing" after salvas filed for a trademark on the name. That sounds more like they saw the writing on the wall and figured they might as well go ahead and change it now rather than deal with it later.
Well sort of. I've heard from a trademark attorney that said trademark rates are assumed by the 1st user of something so Trax is still possibly could have gotten in trouble for it that being said Salvas did trademark the name a couple weeks ago. That's almost certainly what prompted them to change the name as they don't generally seem to do things out of the goodness of their hearts. At least in my opinion it's not really so much a matter of what they can get away with but a matter of what they should do. Traxxas has sued small companies for using fairly vague variations of their trademarked names so them having to change a name just feels kind of like a little bit of karma.
The car drives like a brick with wheels. No way near the actual mudboss that has to buit on the bench. It will never be allowed to run with the actual 12t or 13.5 mb class.
What’s up brother, I wanted this car just because I grew up around modifieds , I wish we did have oval racing for regular folks or even RC . What do you think about buying traxxas support “ for guys like us ? Leaving you have a channel aside ? Than I figured if I want mudboss and worried about that get one from salvis because only 300 bucks but not going be fun without others to race , where the traxxas guy is ready for a crazy motor that make those tires 🛞 sound like a real modified “ those wheels pretty cool “ I had my arrma build out last night with Mojave wheels on tarmac really screeched intensively. Love it “
@@DoRC I just mean buying traxxas still after they hurt the hobby as a whole , and the fact that we’re older and had have slashes . My LHS still has the first run saying mudboss but like you said doesn’t say it on the car so it’s not really going be collectible . Another note , couple companies are making BL systems for these groms . I like em pretty cool 😎
@@RcPlayer-tt2vw oh yeah I have a couple of brushless Grom videos :-) As far as buying from Traxxas that's a tough one. I completely understand people not wanting to but I also completely understand people who just aren't worried about a company's business practices and want what they want. Would I buy Traxxas if I didn't have this channel? Honestly probably. I've never been the kind of person that would let an actors political views stop me from watching their movie or anything like that so whereas I don't think what Traxxas does is the best thing for the hobby It probably is the best thing for them and they are a business so it is at least somewhat understandable. Ultimately though it's just a personal decision and I don't think either way is necessarily wrong
Treat others the way you wanna be treated….. what my mother always said 😂 nice to hear those traxxas tyrants finally got a taste of their own medicine. Fastest name in rc to cause problems. 😂
I suppose it’s only ok to sue if you are another company besides Traxxas? I would be a complete retard if I didn’t patent or trademark anything I worked on for years
Many people don't realize that they need to protect their IP until someone tries to take it. I don't think anybody would fault Traxxas for suing someone who stole their original idea and used it as their own. Most people get upset attractions for doing things like patenting concepts that have been around a very long time and have even already been used on other RC cars then suing other people for using those same ideas.
Personally, I believe Traxxas planned all this from the beginning. It's the game they play, they wouldn't make a rookie mistake like this. The rig made a huge splash when it was released, obviously riding the "Mudboss" name and scene. Now they voluntarily rename the car so it doesn't seem that bad and reduce the probability of any significant blows. Meanwhile this copyright infringement gives extra free publicity to the car. I doubt this wasn't all intentional. Sneaky little bullies. 😏
Now do you know Traxxas Got in "trouble" for using the mudboss name or just speculation because Traxxas changed the name? They didnt pull product from shelfs not at my local hobby shop anyway, they actually said they can still sell them with the mudboss name on the box...i hear this was a decision on Traxxas's part...Did salvas actually have copy rights to the name mudboss? no ody has been able to give a straight answer to that...but maybe it will come out in time on the reasons for the name change...👍👍
So the only real facts that I'm aware of are that Traxxas released the mud boss, soon after salvas posted on their Facebook about about it and seemed pretty unhappy that it happened. Then I think on the 21st of June salvis applied for a trademark on the mud boss name and then a few days later Traxxas removed the mud boss name from all of their marketing and changed it to modified. I've heard but don't know for fact that Traxxas paused sales and pulled back at least some of their stock for relabeling. The rest as far as I know is speculation no matter who you're talking to. I think it's pretty unlikely that Traxxas would go through the trouble of changing the name if they didn't at least anticipate some sort of problem and given the timing with the trademark application it's hard to imagine those two things are coincidental. Interesting to note is that the mud boss name appears nowhere on The car and I'm pretty sure that's the only RC car Traxxas has released recently that doesn't have its name on it which leads me to think they might have either anticipated this or orchestrated this just to be able to use the mud boss name for temporary marketing purposes. That being said I have a hard time imagining Salvas applied for a trademark without intending to do anything else about the situation.
@@DoRCI can't believe Salvas didn't copyright the name long ago....Either way Traxxas saw all this coming and it all went like this for some reason whatever that may be....This isn't anything new to Traxxas...but yes maybe we will all get the truth one day!!!
@@andyb9994 Yeah but to be fair we probably will never know. That's going to be some internal Traxxas stuff and we'll probably just be left with speculation. Definitely an interesting story though!
Now watch anyone with the Mudboss branded packaging think its worth a kasquillion dollars. Traxxas Modified sounds better, and should have gone with that in the beginning.
I agree. I think they were trying to cash in on the mud boss brand but honestly until I saw the Traxxas I had never even heard of mudboss. I saw the car and immediately thought open wheel modified
Doesn't it go both ways though in order to do the conversion, you are using the slash base body to make the mudboss. Granted, Salvas would need to buy a slash, modify it and then resell it for profit to be in the wrong. Both parties need to comply it sounds like.
It's an interesting thought though Salvas was really just selling an aftermarket part for the slash. I don't think they are any more in the wrong than any other aftermarket brand.
@DoRC Yeah you're not wrong they are just selling aftermarket parts so nothing wrong with that. The consumer buying the slash is the one modifying their purchase. Thanks for the video .
Salvas applied for the "Mudboss" trademark on June 21, 2024. Sounds like he applied only when word of Traxxas' new car got to him. I think that Traxxas could have fought him and won, BUT they don't want to anger the entire Salvas Mudboss racing community. The Modified will eventually take over Mudboss racing, because it's a better, more durable car. Traxxas doesn't want to risk having Mudboss racers switch over to some other platform. WIll anyone give Traxxas any credit? Probably not.
I'm not sure they really deserve a lot of credit for doing something essentially when they were forced to. By trademarking the name Salvas essentially prevents Traxxas from using it. Now if Traxxas had chosen not to use the name out of respect for the original creator to begin with then that might be worth some credit.
The mudboss name is stupid anyway so I’m happy they changed it. And it’ll be fun to watch the traxxas haters make themselves feel better from their mom’s basements crying about how they hate traxxas, forgetting that every decent size company does the same things. While being completely oblivious that the rc hobby in general wouldn’t be where it is today if it wasn’t for traxxas.
In a lot of industries that's true but at least in the RC hobby it seems like Traxxas kind of stands alone in their litigiousness. I can't really think of any other brands in the hobby that are so lawsuit happy nor can I think of any that have a habit of patenting things that have already been around a long time and then suing other companies for using those things. I do agree that they have been instrumental in the hobby though.
@@DoRC that you know of…lol the other thing people never think about is traxxas is one company where horizon is the umbrella for a whole bunch of rc brands, they own all the other big ones really. I like what I like and I’ll buy most anything…except arrma 😂😂 I bought the Losi hammer Rey on their big sale a few months ago and have also picked up a mini lmt and mini t 2.0 and a couple proboats, but I’m not into having new models come to market all the time either because I’m not buying a car that will end up getting discontinued, though I’m wondering with the Hammer Rey, at least with that the Rey platform will be around a while and shares a decent amount of parts. I just think it’s silly to argue about this or that brand being better because it’s just like the old argument of Chevy vs Ford…and we all know GM sells more and is better anyway 🤪🤪
Well yeah it is that I know of but I did do a pretty serious amount of research for the Nero lawsuit video that I did a couple weeks ago and I really didn't find any examples of other companies that have the same litigation practice that Traxxas does. And at least for me it's not really the litigiousness that's the problem it's the fact that they tend to patent things that they didn't actually create and then see other companies for using the same thing. They also seem to like suing little companies for using variations on their trademarked names when it's extremely unlikely that those companies were going to hurt their bottom line. Again they're within their legal rights to do it It's just probably not best for the hobby as a whole.
@@DoRC there’s no point in having a patent if you’re not going to enforce it, that’s their lawyers job, I highly doubt it’s Mike Jenkins out starting these lawsuits. And really I’d take more issue with Horizon because they own so much of the market, if traxxas didn’t exist or fight back they’d have gone bankrupt or just close (ex. Novak, just about anyone who’s been in the hobby very long has had at least one of their esc’s) like every other rc company has, and at that point Horizon would basically have a monopoly and charge whatever they want. That’s the problem a lot of people that are “traxxas haters” have, they don’t think of Horizon as a conglomerate but that’s exactly what they are. And there have been plenty of lawsuits over the years in the hobby from a lot of brands. As far as I’m concerned I’m all for competition and upholding patents because that encourages innovation in the industry. And then specifically for the Nero, if you put that and an ERevo next to eachother it’s so similar it’s crazy, to the point it’s like the designers had an ERevo on the desk next to them when they were designing the Nero. And then they put a similar diff system in it like the Summit to boot. I guess some might call me a Traxxas fanboy (most of my stuff is Traxxas so I don’t care, I enjoy them the most) but I look at it as knowing from their history that they’re not going to update or discontinue a model and I can’t find parts. I’ve got an original eMaxx you can still find parts for very easily, unlike the Vaterra Twin Hammers I had until recently because I couldn’t find much of anything for it without just buying a parts car. So people are free to choose what they want and enjoy it but as for me I’m sticking to Traxxas for the majority of my collection because I can walk into any hobby store or go online and find anything I need or want! 😊 I want Horizon to continue though because if it weren’t for that competition we might not have things like the X Maxx or Arrma 8s or the Losi Super platforms, and let’s face it, those trucks and buggies are all pro freaking sweet! As for Traxxas cheaping out on some thing like servos, I think it’s because they realize people want to customize their stuff so why put the more expensive parts in them and drive up the prices (ex. the Ultimate models). Thanks for having a civil conversation with me though, it’s just funny when people get so angry about a bunch of toys, even if they are really expensive ones, because that’s wait what they are! 😆😆
@mikes062 I agree that Monopoly is also not good but a lot of the lawsuits that happened occurred before horizon was as big as they are. I also think that protecting IP is important and I think that the Nero was pretty similar to the Revo but Again the patents that Traxxas got happened before Nero existed and were often for things that they didn't create and that had already been used not only in other industries but in RC Well before Traxxas patented them. That part's the only part that really bothers me. It still doesn't stop me from buying Traxxas stuff but I can also understand why some people wouldn't appreciate it.
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Absolutely brilliant! I don't own a single Traxxas product for the exact reason. Glad to see Traxxas gets a taste of their own medicine.
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Sucks to be you. The Xmaxx and XRT are hands down the best 1/6 RCs on the planet.
@@Robcbr500 "The best", after requiring owners to pour in hundreds of dollars of additional upgrades just to make it not break every time.
@@bohan9957that’s the fun of it.
@bohan9957 so true, every time I dive my xmaxx something breaks. Almost to the point where it has no original parts on it
I’ve been racing MudBOSS for the last five years. In the beginning Salvas even admitted that he never had the MudBOSS name trademarked up until maybe two weeks ago, so in the beginning when the Slash Modified first came out as the MudBOSS Salvas couldn’t really do anything about it. I think the MudBOSS community is really what spurred Traxxas to change the name by reacting the way they did. If the creation of this new car did anything, it actually helped spur more interest in dirt oval RC racing.
Well given traxxas's history I get the feeling they changed it because it got trademarked. I don't blame salvas for trademarking at all. Putting 10 years into something only to have a company try to cash in on its name especially one that is litigious as Traxxas probably doesn't feel very good
@@DoRC agreed totally! 👍
I actually think this drama spurred an extra 0% interest in dirt racing. Only thing more boring is crawlers.
@@lipoz-n-nitroz4012 Go play with your bashers noob.
It seems like since Salvas didn't have the tm on the name, Traxxas told them to kick rocks about working together. That's probably why they tm the name so recently.
Here at North Georgia Speedway, they run the real deal full size. I think this is wonderful due to the amount of patents and suing Traxxass has done.
I used to be part of a pit crew for one. Good times.
@Dorc for what team?
It was just a little local thing where I live. Nothing major. I was dating the daughter of a guy who built open wheel modifieds for a living so I ended up getting pretty heavily involved in it.
@@DoRC it's amazing how guys squeeze so much power from those engines with all the restrictions placed on them. I ran caged fwd, 2.3 Ford killed! There were very few ecotecs to be found in the pits. I loved grooving the tires, just something about the smell I guess and hoping the teams siping was set for the tracks blue groove.
Yeah it's certainly a unique experience. I don't know if I'd want to make a lifestyle out of racing but I'm glad I was involved for the time I was.
Traxxas should get sued for once! 😂😂
Given that they seem to have changed the name voluntarily they probably won't but it's good to see them having to back down on something a little bit.
No
Poor arrma fan boy is mad
Sued for what the traxxas is there truck slash is there truck and people were converting it
@brandonhudson4775 the fact you are support this garbage can of a company shows everybody who you are. Traxxas will be the death of rc!
The pendulum swings both ways Traxxas.
They lost me with of their lawsuits , Gibson too 🎸
Yeah quite a few people seem to feel that way.
naming it mudboss in the first place was silly i’m glad they’ve changed it
Well given that it's design basically to run in the mud boss class it's not super crazy that they would name it that but coming from a bit of experience with full size racing modified definitely makes more sense to me.
@@DoRC i don’t think it even fits the mudboss requirements. people can run this and just call it the slash modified class
@nicko2222 Yeah I mentioned that in the video
@@nicko2222yeah the entire suspension,shocks,transmission,body and about a half dozen things are illegal for mudboss class literally about the only thing on the car legal for the class is the wheel nuts ,bearings and maybe the chassis plate assuming it’s not slightly different from a normal slash lcg chassis plate
Hmm, it couldn't have happened to a nicer company!
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One of these babies was unboxed, sitting on the counter at my local hobby shop on my last visit. No matter the name, that body looks so good with the open front wheels. I have absolutely no need for this car, not an oval track in sight, but i still want it. I agree, Traxxas falls short in many ways, but they put out attractive, eye catching products.
Oh yeah it's a cool looking car!
@@cabsbass buy it, it'll be extremely collectable!
GOOD! They had it coming with how lawsuit-happy they’ve been in the past. I hope Traxxas loses and those guys get rich off this
Not sure there is actually a lawsuit on this one.
This is so awesome. 😂
I love my x-maxx but hate what traxxas represents, big corporations with money in mind, not the hobbyist in mind.
To be fair they are in business to make money but they don't seem to do business the way most of the rest of the industry does
@@DoRC I understand making a profit, but suing any company that has any designs even remotely similar os bad for the hobby and traxxsuxx knows that.
This thing would be so fun to race, man I’ve gotta get one 😁
Haha!!
- Nelson
Exactly :-)
Yea we know the mud boss guys cried😢 so traxxas change the name
Would you be upset if you spend a decade creating and working on something only to have a giant corporation that's known for crushing the little guy come in and hashing on the name of that thing you've worked on?
@@DoRC are u hurt over this?
@DoRC if I create something, work and put all the effort to build it up and make it known, I would have trademarked/patented from the beginning, not giving a bigger company a chance to profit off of my intellectual property. For right or wrong that's how corporate America works.
@@superrocketRC Fair enough but doing things like trademarking names and then suing people for using those trademark names is exactly what people get upset at Traxxas for. To be honest the guy probably didn't realize he needed to. A lot of people don't really even realize that they need to protect their IP until something like this happens. I'm not saying Traxxas did anything illegal but it's certainly not the most friendly thing to do especially given that it seems like this guy has been trying to work with Traxxas for years on this project.
@@DoRC Hi - RC hobbiest and intellectual property lawyer here. Even if you have not registered a trade mark, you can have unregistered trade mark rights arising from first use in the market (registration of a trade mark just makes an infringement case easier in certain respects). Depending on the facts in this case, it may be that Traxxas was alleged to have infringed unregistered trade mark rights, and ceased use because it took the view that it was at risk of losing that dispute.
I was JUST talking about this on your Nero video. Not the same level as getting slapped by Formula 1 for pushrod suspension, but good to start seeing the equal and opposite reaction!
Yeah most people seem pretty happy to see it.
i tried to get into the oval racing and it was just too many cry babies. You find a nice groove and tune up and then three grown men cry about cheating and "not class legal" only to find out they just suck on the controller.
That's too bad.
They should just re-name it The Karma series 🤣🤣🤣
Lol
I recently started doing Mudboss just a week or two ago, but our FB Group (Which is where Mudboss was created) has been flooded with questions and complaints of people buying these Mudboss’s. And I’ve talked with my LHS and they explained to me that back in 2013ish, Eric Salvas created Mudboss, he tried contacting them to create a Roller Kit Version and to sell to Eric a 1000 Slash 2WD Rollers, but unfortunately that never happened…
Yeah that's whati heard too
Nice! I have a few Traxxas products, really good stuff. Business practices stink though. Good to see them taken down a peg or two.
Yeah I'm not sure it'll actually change their attitude but it is fun to see.
Traxxas had to do this with the spartan when it first came out. It was originally called the titan, but another company had a boat called that. They had to delay the release of the boat. I ended up getting mine on Christmas eve instead of during the summer.
Good info. I wasn't aware of that
@@DoRC yep. I was really looking forward to getting the boat from the videos traxxas released of it. They ended up having issues with the power system it came with originally too. I had to get mine replaced for free with the castle based system it came with later.
@twinturbotony93 I still have not ever had a RC boat for it I need to do it one of these days
@@DoRC I have several. A boat I don't have but my friend has two, is the proboat Sonicwake. It's a great boat and self righting.
@twinturbotony93 If I had places around me that I could run the boats in I'd probably own a couple but there's nothing super convenient to me.
Traxxas is bash specific. No Traxxas can be competitive on the track next to Losi, AE, Tekno, Xray, etc. Traxxas is for the kids.
That implies bashing is for kids. I know a lot of adults that bash :-) but then again maybe we're all kids. We are all playing with toy cars whether we're racing or bashing.
Lol yeah, keep thinking that.
Let’s go!!!! Haha love it
I'm not sure what else will come of it but definitely fun to see.
Friend of mine owns a hobby shop...he can't keep these things in stock...looks like Traxxas is the one laughing..all the way to the bank
Yeah I've heard they've been pretty popular.
Not gonna believe that lol.
It's true, none of the national shops have them in stock till around August 21st. I got lucky and ordered mine right front Traxxas last week and had it delivered in 2 days. Awesome car and the best handling car I've ever driven. I race competitively.
@@shaynejenkins446Well, considering traxxas is probably the biggest and most well known RC company I'd say its true. Sadly Arrmma is their only REAL competition. Tekhno/Team associated and so on are completely different spec cars, not to mention most of them only come as rollers. Traxxas and Arrma have the RTR on lock down.
This is what traxxas needed.... a taste of their own medicine.
:)
They didn’t get in trouble they just got tons of backlash for using the name, Salvas never trademarked the name mudboss therefore Traxxis was completely ok with using that name
Sort of. They actually did trademark the name a couple of weeks ago and Traxxas then changed the name. I have a hard time believing that's a coincidence. Also by trouble I didn't necessarily mean legal trouble I just meant that things happen that encourage them not to use the name anymore. I suspect though that if they hadn't changed it they would have been illegal trouble so it's kind of a distinction without a difference if you know what I mean
He did though.
Make them realize they arent untouchable mr.salvas.....
I'm not sure it will actually change their attitude towards the industry but maybe :-)
this is awesome!
:)
Right back atcha ,,,Traxxas 🤣🤣🤣
:)
Now the mud boss version of this car will be worth a lot later down the road
It's possible. Rare doesn't inherently mean valuable but maybe!
Yup just bought one
@@JustMe-oj1hd keeping it in the box for a collector's item?
@DoRC YES. I think it will be a good investment and a cool man cave display. Found it on ebay.
@@JustMe-oj1hd Nice! Hopefully pays off :-)
Traxxas thought they were the only ones who could sue people.??
I don't like Traxxas as a business.... I don't mind some of their products though.!
Keep in mind there wasn't a lawsuit in this case I just think Traxxas saw the potential writing on the wall and decided to change the name before it became a problem
This makes me happy.
:)
funny that the body on the traxxas is a model of a midwest modified not a East coast modified( mudboss)
Yeah I think I mentioned that in the video
dirt oval racing gives more sense than drag racing for sure😂
I'm not sure I'd really want to get into either one of them but they both have pretty big fan bases so people must like them :-)
I love this Irony!!❤😂😂😂
:)
Great summary
That you enjoyed and thanks for watching :-)
They should make a street version of the slash. I made mine into a nascar race truck and have my eyes on a gt car
The rally kind of is
I really hate the company feuds, this is a great hobby for all ages and it’s supposed to be fun!!! Yea I get some rivalry that’s inevitable but drop the Arrma vs Traxxas crap and just have fun!! 🤘🏻
Yeah I just thought it was interesting story.
@@DoRC no it definitely is, and nice to see them get a little taste of their sue happy attitude 👍🏻
@@ronswitzer6057 :)
In five years, tracks will be running the Traxxas Modified as the spec dirt oval class. Sad, but true.
You're probably right. I've heard they have sold a lot of them.
For one thing, the Salvas class is based on a HCG Slash chassis and other parts that will be going away soon. Why buy a stock Slash and a Salvas kit for more money than a Traxxas Modified? Especially when the Modified is ready to race out of the box?
@@gwcrispi Yeah for sure. From a customer point of view it definitely makes sense. It makes it feel even more though like Traxxas just used the mud boss name as a marketing tool never really intending to be able to get away with using it long-term
FYI, most already have
Water boy likes the mud dogs and the mudboss
Eh?
@@DoRC watch the water boy Adam Sandler.
@@Vladle2099 I saw it many many years ago. I guess I need to watch it again
That’s f**n badass
:)
This car is way better than a Salvas Mudboss(for the beginner driver). It is also cheaper. The Mudboss class will suffer from the release of this new car. Tracks all around are running this as a box stock class. This is what is going to hurt the Mudboss scene. New drivers will race these instead of building the Salva's version.
That's probably true. It's too bad they didn't work with Salvas to make it compatible.
I'm old as hell and I think I first heard the name Mudboss in the '70s as a term that referred to the old dirt modifieds that were racing out in New England or Pennsylvania back then. Maybe it was Mud Bus? Probably a play on that. 🤷♂️
Maybe so. I hadn't heard it until recently but I also wasn't really in the scene back then. I did some open wheel modified pit work about 15 years ago but they were just called open wheel modifieds at that time where I was.
@DoRC yeah look up mud bus modified and a few stories pop up... 1979 - 1980 or so. I think Salvas was playing off that name.
It’s getting really hard to overlook all the dirty shenanigans traxxas has been pulling over the years, I would like to think they are just another rc company trying to protect what’s there’s but they are fast becoming something to avoid by many. They seem to be guilty of what they sue others for.
To some degree yes.
Umm, they did a good thing here. WHy do y'all bash them when they fix a mistake?
@@guest6423 doing the right thing when you're forced to doesn't really mean that you're doing better. The right thing would have been to either not use the mud boss name or at least work with the creator of the mud boss on the project.
@@guest6423 They suck dude.
i refuse the buy traxxas ever since i found out about the lawsuits especially one against arrma nero!
Yeah a lot of people feel that way. Personally I think protecting ones IP is fine but at least in my research it seems like some of the things that Traxxas sues for or patents that they created on ideas that they didn't come up with. That doesn't feel awesome to me.
I really do love this. It’s also the reason I dislike Traxxas. They sued for Max! The most cliche product name you can think of! Every other product in the world used it before Traxxas.
Yeah I can kind of understand them doing that for competition in the hobby but suing HBO for it seems a little odd. Then again I'm not them and I don't know what they know.
Buying one tomorrow
I'm tempted. They are cool
@@DoRC I think my only issue is buying the original mud boss instead of the slash modified
@@giostealthr1 I think it's just going to be a box change as I don't believe the branding is even on the car
Happy 4th DoRc and all .
You too!
They used that name to generate a buzz, thats why barely any hobby shops got them and they didnt get many cause traxxas known this would happen but look now everybody knows about it
It's entirely possible. That would explain why they didn't put the name on the car itself.
There is a reason I wont pull the trigger on buying any traxxas stuff. Plenty of other brands out there with more compatible parts
What do you mean by more compatible parts?
@@DoRCI guess more interchangeable parts between other brands I’ve heard some complaints that they’re more designed to just fit traxxas parts instead of aftermarket options. But I don’t buy traxxas so I will never know.
@@BrownsRC there's a really strong aftermarket for Traxxas vehicles. I would say it rivals Arrma and the two of them are ahead of pretty much every other brand.
According to sources traxxas chose to change the name under their own accord and was not in trouble for taking anyone's name.
Well thats nice of them.
What sources?
Somehow I dont see them going through all that work if they didn't have to.
Yep. Traxxas just a nice company. They wasted all that time and money out of the goodness of their hearts.
Yeah seems unlikely
The vehicle doesn’t conform to rules, the shocks, transmission, wheels/ tires are all not allowed by rules as well as the body.
Also the front and rear arms, caster blocks and carriers are all not compliant. Someone would have to almost rebuild the whole car besides the chassis and electronics
Yeah and I'm sure Traxxas knew that which kind of makes me wonder if they were always planning on changing the name and just wanted to cash in on the recognition and controversy. That would explain why the mud boss name isn't on the car even though I think the name of the vehicles on literally every other car they've ever made
sweet Tejas Justice =D
:)
Salvus should sue them for millions just like Traxxas does to everyone else
That's probably not going to happen but we'll just have to wait and see
Lmao! That's awesome!
Some people would think so :-)
@@DoRC I do. Karma is a Bitch!
@@Wanted1069 :)
They keep making the same thing over and over again putting a couple parts on it calling in a new truck or car
Interestingly from what I've seen that's what some people like about Traxxas. They enjoy being able to use the same parts on cars year after year and not ever having to worry about running out of spares. It's not a point of view I've ever really thought about but it's definitely an interesting one
I was going to buy a Traxxas DCB M41 catamaran boat. Ironically today. Then I see this stuff. Guess I am not purchasing it.
Yeah it's got to be a personal decision for everybody. I still buy Traxxas stuff but I make sure I'm frowning when I do it!
Wonder if the packaging go will be worth anything in the future. I bought 1 the day they were available.
It's possible.
Maybe in 50yrs some douche might want an empty traxxcrap box that says mudboss and is willing to pay $150 for it.
I would call it the mud pro
:)
LOL! This is funny
:)
They knew it would make them rich and the other guy not rich 😂
:)
Can u do a review on the new stampede 4x4 vxl hd? I think its a realy good package for the price, thank u
I'll keep it in mind though it's hard to do a review on something that hasn't recently come out as it tends to not get very many views.
The Stampede “V”40?😂
I sure hope they have to pay out big time
I don't think it's going to come to a lawsuit so they probably won't end up having to pay anything
Traxxas is doing the Apple thing. While not realizing that in the the people decide. Not the corporation.
I don't know apples doing pretty well.
Hilarious 😂
:)
Traxxis doing Traxxis crap. I hate them so much as a company.
A lot of people do dislike them.
Yeah they probably hate you too
@KJ4ENS they show it all the time to us hobbiests with their lawsuits. So yes, I absolutely do believe Traxxis gives a rats ass about the hobby or its patrons.
That would be funny: traxxas gets sued, shut down/loses patents, arrma revives the nero🤣. Wishfull thinking tho, the nero was awesome!
Yeah I don't think that's going to happen.
Other yourtubers have been quick to defend Traxxass and say the name wasn't Trademarked and Traxxass gave up the name, pretty much out of the good of their heart. FYI, Salvas did finally trademark the name as of June 21, 2024. I don't Traxxass gave it up as nicely as others would lead you to believe.
Yeah I have a hard time believing they did it out of the goodness of their own heart given their track record. It's a lot more likely that once the trademark application was put in they saw the writing on the wall and figured this was the cheapest way to get out of the problem while at the same time saving some face. But that's just my opinion and it's worth just about as much as anybody else's :-)
Karma is awesome
Yeah I mean it's not like this was a huge thing but Traxxas is having to stop sales bring back a bunch of product relayable it etc
I hate traxxas as a company but the slash platform is perfect. Parts are always available and cheap. You can buy a losi and parts will be backordered the same year of release
Yeah the slash has been around a long time and definitely has a lot of fans. I've owned a few of them over the years and never had any particular problems with them
Brilliant...finally T brand gets a taste of what it's like... they should have been a bit smarter than that. A Big lol!
It is interesting that they didn't put the mud boss name on the car itself. Kind of makes me wonder if they saw this coming
No, the Traxxas mudboss/modified isn't for racing against Salvas Mudboss classes. At least no tracks I follow have said so.
So I guess they just used the name to build hype then huh?
The Mudboss and Modified classes are completely different.
@@DoRC idk what they were thinking to be honest.
Traxxas didn't "get in trouble" haha they just actually did the right thing for once.
They wouldn't have done the right thing unless forced to do so in one way or another. They're clearly not that type of company
Not sure I agree with that. They only "did the right thing" after salvas filed for a trademark on the name. That sounds more like they saw the writing on the wall and figured they might as well go ahead and change it now rather than deal with it later.
Yeah I mean it's possible that they did it out of the goodness of their own hearts but based on their history that seems kind of unlikely.
They had to.
So I can sell my original mudboss for more🤔
Maybe. Rare doesn't always equal valuable but you never know :-)
Salvas never trademarked the Mudboss name so it was free to use. They changed the name anyway.
Well sort of. I've heard from a trademark attorney that said trademark rates are assumed by the 1st user of something so Trax is still possibly could have gotten in trouble for it that being said Salvas did trademark the name a couple weeks ago. That's almost certainly what prompted them to change the name as they don't generally seem to do things out of the goodness of their hearts.
At least in my opinion it's not really so much a matter of what they can get away with but a matter of what they should do. Traxxas has sued small companies for using fairly vague variations of their trademarked names so them having to change a name just feels kind of like a little bit of karma.
How does that taste Traxxas? 😅😂
:)
Hopefully they get sued 😂
I think it's unlikely to happen. They almost certainly did this in reaction to the name getting trademarked as to avoid a lawsuit
Karma Slash. !!
Lol
Not reveling in this. Sony wish ill on anyone. Good lesson to learn here though
Yeah I find it more of an interesting story than anything else
Get shidd on Traxxas
:)
The car drives like a brick with wheels. No way near the actual mudboss that has to buit on the bench. It will never be allowed to run with the actual 12t or 13.5 mb class.
Interesting.
Lol your crazy. The car is perfect and handles much better than a standard mudboss conversion.
What’s up brother, I wanted this car just because I grew up around modifieds , I wish we did have oval racing for regular folks or even RC . What do you think about buying traxxas support “ for guys like us ? Leaving you have a channel aside ? Than I figured if I want mudboss and worried about that get one from salvis because only 300 bucks but not going be fun without others to race , where the traxxas guy is ready for a crazy motor that make those tires 🛞 sound like a real modified “ those wheels pretty cool “ I had my arrma build out last night with Mojave wheels on tarmac really screeched intensively. Love it “
I'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say buying Traxxas support. Can you elaborate please?
@@DoRC I just mean buying traxxas still after they hurt the hobby as a whole , and the fact that we’re older and had have slashes . My LHS still has the first run saying mudboss but like you said doesn’t say it on the car so it’s not really going be collectible . Another note , couple companies are making BL systems for these groms . I like em pretty cool 😎
@@RcPlayer-tt2vw oh yeah I have a couple of brushless Grom videos :-)
As far as buying from Traxxas that's a tough one. I completely understand people not wanting to but I also completely understand people who just aren't worried about a company's business practices and want what they want. Would I buy Traxxas if I didn't have this channel? Honestly probably. I've never been the kind of person that would let an actors political views stop me from watching their movie or anything like that so whereas I don't think what Traxxas does is the best thing for the hobby It probably is the best thing for them and they are a business so it is at least somewhat understandable. Ultimately though it's just a personal decision and I don't think either way is necessarily wrong
@@DoRC right on brother thanks for your input. Same here but I guess getting older and crankier 😝. Going home 🏠 now to run Rcs
@RcPlayer-tt2vw It happens. Have fun!
Treat others the way you wanna be treated….. what my mother always said 😂 nice to hear those traxxas tyrants finally got a taste of their own medicine. Fastest name in rc to cause problems. 😂
Yeah I don't think there's going to be a lawsuit or anything like that but they definitely had to do a little extra work
I suppose it’s only ok to sue if you are another company besides Traxxas? I would be a complete retard if I didn’t patent or trademark anything I worked on for years
Many people don't realize that they need to protect their IP until someone tries to take it. I don't think anybody would fault Traxxas for suing someone who stole their original idea and used it as their own. Most people get upset attractions for doing things like patenting concepts that have been around a very long time and have even already been used on other RC cars then suing other people for using those same ideas.
Personally, I believe Traxxas planned all this from the beginning. It's the game they play, they wouldn't make a rookie mistake like this. The rig made a huge splash when it was released, obviously riding the "Mudboss" name and scene. Now they voluntarily rename the car so it doesn't seem that bad and reduce the probability of any significant blows. Meanwhile this copyright infringement gives extra free publicity to the car. I doubt this wasn't all intentional. Sneaky little bullies. 😏
It's entirely possible. That would explain why the mud boss name isn't on the car itself.
Now do you know Traxxas Got in "trouble" for using the mudboss name or just speculation because Traxxas changed the name? They didnt pull product from shelfs not at my local hobby shop anyway, they actually said they can still sell them with the mudboss name on the box...i hear this was a decision on Traxxas's part...Did salvas actually have copy rights to the name mudboss? no ody has been able to give a straight answer to that...but maybe it will come out in time on the reasons for the name change...👍👍
So the only real facts that I'm aware of are that Traxxas released the mud boss, soon after salvas posted on their Facebook about about it and seemed pretty unhappy that it happened. Then I think on the 21st of June salvis applied for a trademark on the mud boss name and then a few days later Traxxas removed the mud boss name from all of their marketing and changed it to modified.
I've heard but don't know for fact that Traxxas paused sales and pulled back at least some of their stock for relabeling.
The rest as far as I know is speculation no matter who you're talking to. I think it's pretty unlikely that Traxxas would go through the trouble of changing the name if they didn't at least anticipate some sort of problem and given the timing with the trademark application it's hard to imagine those two things are coincidental.
Interesting to note is that the mud boss name appears nowhere on The car and I'm pretty sure that's the only RC car Traxxas has released recently that doesn't have its name on it which leads me to think they might have either anticipated this or orchestrated this just to be able to use the mud boss name for temporary marketing purposes.
That being said I have a hard time imagining Salvas applied for a trademark without intending to do anything else about the situation.
@@DoRCI can't believe Salvas didn't copyright the name long ago....Either way Traxxas saw all this coming and it all went like this for some reason whatever that may be....This isn't anything new to Traxxas...but yes maybe we will all get the truth one day!!!
@@andyb9994 Yeah but to be fair we probably will never know. That's going to be some internal Traxxas stuff and we'll probably just be left with speculation. Definitely an interesting story though!
@@DoRCYep I can agree with that!!! Keep it up you have a great channel!!!!
It's not a mud boss though it's a modified
Yep.
Now watch anyone with the Mudboss branded packaging think its worth a kasquillion dollars. Traxxas Modified sounds better, and should have gone with that in the beginning.
I agree. I think they were trying to cash in on the mud boss brand but honestly until I saw the Traxxas I had never even heard of mudboss. I saw the car and immediately thought open wheel modified
Now days people just look at you funny or say something to people and they want to sue you for it
Yeah it's not the best.
I recorded the mud pro
Recorded?
Traxxas modified is so unoriginal. They could have given it at least its own name.
True but it is descriptive at least.
Doesn't it go both ways though in order to do the conversion, you are using the slash base body to make the mudboss. Granted, Salvas would need to buy a slash, modify it and then resell it for profit to be in the wrong. Both parties need to comply it sounds like.
It's an interesting thought though Salvas was really just selling an aftermarket part for the slash. I don't think they are any more in the wrong than any other aftermarket brand.
@DoRC Yeah you're not wrong they are just selling aftermarket parts so nothing wrong with that. The consumer buying the slash is the one modifying their purchase. Thanks for the video .
@@Brandon-Shifty You're welcome thanks for watching :-)
Salvas applied for the "Mudboss" trademark on June 21, 2024. Sounds like he applied only when word of Traxxas' new car got to him. I think that Traxxas could have fought him and won, BUT they don't want to anger the entire Salvas Mudboss racing community. The Modified will eventually take over Mudboss racing, because it's a better, more durable car. Traxxas doesn't want to risk having Mudboss racers switch over to some other platform. WIll anyone give Traxxas any credit? Probably not.
I'm not sure they really deserve a lot of credit for doing something essentially when they were forced to. By trademarking the name Salvas essentially prevents Traxxas from using it.
Now if Traxxas had chosen not to use the name out of respect for the original creator to begin with then that might be worth some credit.
Eat a fat %£*# Traxxas… all rc companies suck to be honest… especially Traxxas so I feel warm and fuzzy on the inside. 🙌🙌🙌
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Hey this is false that had nothing to do with the name change eve the guy that made mudboss body said the name wasn't copyrighted
It wasn't originally but he trademarked it about a week before Traxxas changed to the name. I doubt that was coincidence.
I knew that would happen. You think your untouchable and bam. Traxxas Modified sounds better.
I agree
Mudbosses just doubled in value lol
Could be though it seems like the branding is only on the box
@@DoRC New in box is where the $$$ is
@@JonathanPARADIS-nb5bw seems reasonable
Or at a code the mud track
Not bas
He'll yeah traxxas how's that feel . You shouldn't be so selfish karma sucks
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The Traxxas Mudboss is now a super rare collectors' item.
For sure though it doesn't seem like the car has the name on it anywhere so it would just be the box and stuff
@@DoRC The most valuable would be an unopened box or at least not used, still in original packaging.
@@toolbaggers for sure!
The mudboss name is stupid anyway so I’m happy they changed it. And it’ll be fun to watch the traxxas haters make themselves feel better from their mom’s basements crying about how they hate traxxas, forgetting that every decent size company does the same things. While being completely oblivious that the rc hobby in general wouldn’t be where it is today if it wasn’t for traxxas.
In a lot of industries that's true but at least in the RC hobby it seems like Traxxas kind of stands alone in their litigiousness. I can't really think of any other brands in the hobby that are so lawsuit happy nor can I think of any that have a habit of patenting things that have already been around a long time and then suing other companies for using those things. I do agree that they have been instrumental in the hobby though.
@@DoRC that you know of…lol the other thing people never think about is traxxas is one company where horizon is the umbrella for a whole bunch of rc brands, they own all the other big ones really. I like what I like and I’ll buy most anything…except arrma 😂😂 I bought the Losi hammer Rey on their big sale a few months ago and have also picked up a mini lmt and mini t 2.0 and a couple proboats, but I’m not into having new models come to market all the time either because I’m not buying a car that will end up getting discontinued, though I’m wondering with the Hammer Rey, at least with that the Rey platform will be around a while and shares a decent amount of parts. I just think it’s silly to argue about this or that brand being better because it’s just like the old argument of Chevy vs Ford…and we all know GM sells more and is better anyway 🤪🤪
Well yeah it is that I know of but I did do a pretty serious amount of research for the Nero lawsuit video that I did a couple weeks ago and I really didn't find any examples of other companies that have the same litigation practice that Traxxas does. And at least for me it's not really the litigiousness that's the problem it's the fact that they tend to patent things that they didn't actually create and then see other companies for using the same thing. They also seem to like suing little companies for using variations on their trademarked names when it's extremely unlikely that those companies were going to hurt their bottom line. Again they're within their legal rights to do it It's just probably not best for the hobby as a whole.
@@DoRC there’s no point in having a patent if you’re not going to enforce it, that’s their lawyers job, I highly doubt it’s Mike Jenkins out starting these lawsuits. And really I’d take more issue with Horizon because they own so much of the market, if traxxas didn’t exist or fight back they’d have gone bankrupt or just close (ex. Novak, just about anyone who’s been in the hobby very long has had at least one of their esc’s) like every other rc company has, and at that point Horizon would basically have a monopoly and charge whatever they want. That’s the problem a lot of people that are “traxxas haters” have, they don’t think of Horizon as a conglomerate but that’s exactly what they are. And there have been plenty of lawsuits over the years in the hobby from a lot of brands. As far as I’m concerned I’m all for competition and upholding patents because that encourages innovation in the industry. And then specifically for the Nero, if you put that and an ERevo next to eachother it’s so similar it’s crazy, to the point it’s like the designers had an ERevo on the desk next to them when they were designing the Nero. And then they put a similar diff system in it like the Summit to boot. I guess some might call me a Traxxas fanboy (most of my stuff is Traxxas so I don’t care, I enjoy them the most) but I look at it as knowing from their history that they’re not going to update or discontinue a model and I can’t find parts. I’ve got an original eMaxx you can still find parts for very easily, unlike the Vaterra Twin Hammers I had until recently because I couldn’t find much of anything for it without just buying a parts car. So people are free to choose what they want and enjoy it but as for me I’m sticking to Traxxas for the majority of my collection because I can walk into any hobby store or go online and find anything I need or want! 😊 I want Horizon to continue though because if it weren’t for that competition we might not have things like the X Maxx or Arrma 8s or the Losi Super platforms, and let’s face it, those trucks and buggies are all pro freaking sweet! As for Traxxas cheaping out on some thing like servos, I think it’s because they realize people want to customize their stuff so why put the more expensive parts in them and drive up the prices (ex. the Ultimate models). Thanks for having a civil conversation with me though, it’s just funny when people get so angry about a bunch of toys, even if they are really expensive ones, because that’s wait what they are! 😆😆
@mikes062 I agree that Monopoly is also not good but a lot of the lawsuits that happened occurred before horizon was as big as they are. I also think that protecting IP is important and I think that the Nero was pretty similar to the Revo but Again the patents that Traxxas got happened before Nero existed and were often for things that they didn't create and that had already been used not only in other industries but in RC Well before Traxxas patented them. That part's the only part that really bothers me.
It still doesn't stop me from buying Traxxas stuff but I can also understand why some people wouldn't appreciate it.