I reached out to John with some questions about compounds, polishes, and pads on a Sunday on Facebook a few weeks ago. He responded rather quickly and answered a few other questions I ad. Admirable to say the least. The information John provides and the level of detail mixed with honesty is hard to come by in any field.
Raige93 - which makes me so surprised when there are only 24k subscribers! I find him interesting in his details and always gives products a fair and balanced reviews.
Really enjoying these videos! Would love to see you test 1-step compounds like Sonax Cut & Finish and Scholl's S20 Black. Also, I wish 3D HD product were available to you. I've always considered HD Polish+ and Scholl's S40 & S30+ to be the best finishing abrasives. I'd also love to see you test out the 1-step cleaner waxes or AIO's. HD Speed, Menzerna 3n1, Meguiar's D166, etc. You should do an indepth forensic video on why you make all the other detailing related channels look like a bunch of amateurs.haha. You're too nice of a guy to say it but we're all thinking it. Merry Christmas John!
appreciate the kind words. the whole you tube game is a wierd thing. tbh this channel doesnt function very well as a proper you tube channel. everything is too long and the production is not great and that effects the take up and growth of it, its a slow growing small channel. The channels that get this right, deserve all their success, its such a hard thing to go in front of the camera and put out info and remain credible. really enjoying doing the channel at the moment, its been such a cool way to interact with so many cool people. I think a lot of the people that watch FDC are really into their detailing. because the quality of the info that comes back in the comments is always first class, I read it and sort of get good steers on other products to check out. merry xmas matt
Merry Christmas, Jon. Thank for getting me hooked to detailing this year, your videos are far superior to all other detailing reviewers out there and I am looking forward to more in 2018! Keep up the great work.
I agree the Sonax Perfect Finish is aggressive for a finishing style polish. However, paired with a Rupes yellow pad is makes for an excellent 1 step on any color.
The signature trait of perfect finish for me is it's ability to finish down great on basically any paint. Great on sticky paints and solid colors without clear coat etc. If you are having trouble getting a desired finish on a car in the future, try the pf, it's almost fool proof.
Im sure its gonna be very solid.. but ive been a bit put off by the range and how sonax have developed it to be used. had a good chat with another guy about it in this video comments below. that and the huge price tag we pay for it in the Uk? why when you can get fantastic abrasives for 30 quid a litre, why pay 44? Its priced off the market over here and sonax have want you to use it on a rotary with wierd tilt sets... just bizarre.. developed for body shop and instructions written for people that want to compound out sanding marks in 20 seconds.. thats not me. when I use it the way I want to use it thats wrong apparently. so im sulking :(
Forensic Detailing Channel Yeah, they should probably redo the instructions on the bottle cause pf can really be used with any machine and just like any other polish.
I use M205 as my go-to polish and have for years. I bought a gallon of the stuff for $25 when a local detail shop closed it’s doors, so I’m sitting on a lifetime supply. Per your recommendation Jon, I have added Menzerna 3800 to my arsenal as either a jeweling polish, or occasionally as a stand alone product for “super light” micro-marring. Menzerna 3800 tends to leave slightly more gloss than M205, but of course has less cutting ability to remove light to moderate swirls. Merry Christmas from St. Louis, Missouri (USA).
Great video as always Jon. Always looking forward to your videos. Thanks for your reviews through out the year. Greatly appreciated. Happy Holidays from LA, California.🎄🎄😎😎❄️❄️⛄️☃️
Another very watchable Vid/review and the Koc Kemie is rocking the Scoll brigade. It does seem like the manufactures are upping their game for with the more options on the market now. Interesting you showed various rotary machines, but no DA? Although mentioned before, look forward to comments about these products along with pads used. Happy Christamas Jon.
What have farecla done with G3. Pick up some cut and finish. Not much work time. I like to spritz water and slow speed buff cross hatch again working the product longer. Even over the glass spatter after just save on elbow grease with the micro fiber
yer see what your saying, although get perfect finish on a rotary and work it harder and perhaps faster and it has a really decent level of mid range cut, specially for something that looks so good. its a good abrasive.
@@ForensicDetailing I like what you said ' it is definitley not a 'finishing' polish'. on a scale of 1-10 where 1 is heaviest compound and 10 is finishing polish, mid is 4,5,6, this is a 7.5/8.5 on the scale. Like you I want finishing polish at 9/10 on my scale..
gonna do something on this area this year. problem is it will cost a fortune. gonna see if I can get some distributors to provide the pads. its gonna be a tough one to do because you have different pads for different machines etc.. and different formats of pad. but will try.. will prolly be a few videos.
I’m on G360 and G3 for polish and gloss as I know it. Step one and two. The step three is a sealant. What is the negative of skipping step 3. I sell cars for a living and enjoy to buff but want a good end result and sell in a cost effective time
hi, I'm using menerza 3800 on my dining room table....I'm not a detailer, but enjoying learning a little bit, you seen to have much respect from your followers--congrats....my question: how do you get the oily residue off the finish....I'm trying to make it look better before Christmas and don't have the time for many for hours on youtube!!!.....thank you
Watched loads of your videos your channel is my detailing bible love it Absolutely first class information I'm absorbing it all like a Liquid Elements Silverback😁
This and the cutting compound vid have been interesting Jon boy! For me I've been an Scholl & Sonax person....many, many years ago Farecla & 3M......Bodyshop bash it out days!!😱😜😆.... sorry I digress, last 6 month's was introduced to Koch (H8, P2 & M2) products and these are now my go-to with Scholl (S3gold, S20black & S40) still in my kit bag.....still use Sonax perfect finish (until it's empty) as a one step for new car preps, ready for coating. No equipment/product secrets with me! Totally agree with your findings, Jon, KC & Scholl for me👍 Top vid, Jon, merry xmas mate
great stuff miles, koch is definetly impressive. the h8 really gives you something different to S3 as well, I cant see what else you need in terms of heavy cutting compounds beyond these 2 products.
Gents, when looking at a new car prep, and polishing the clear coat with v. minimal cut or abrasion to it, is it S40 over S20 Black? Or is the another polishing compound which is more appropriate for new car. Afterwards I'll seal with Moonlight/Wet Coat. Thanks in anticipation.
I have only ever used scholl S20 black.it got rid of a lot of damage on the clear coat and it did leave a lovely shine on my car.in the new year I'm going to buy scholl S3 gold XXL and s40.
I've never used a machine polisher before, but fancy getting one. I'm torn between the Scholl S20 and the Scholl S40. I've got a 9 year old Focus, so it's nothing fancy, but I do want to improve the gloss finish a bit. I tend to polish and wax by hand twice a year, so the paintwork is in pretty good nick. What would you recommend between the two compounds? Is the S40 going to give a good finish, or would I just be better getting the S20? I use Autoglym Super Resin Polish and their HD wax currently. Thanks in advance for any recommendations
I know this is a old video but I just want to see what to use to polish a brand new black truck that has misc cobweb scratches, water spots but overall the gloss is new but I’m having a hard time picking up a polish that will get them off in 1 step.
Great vid and find myself watching it over and over. I’ve purchased the scholl s40, will this be alright on my electric orange paintwork as all the ads seem so guide it for dark paint. Thanks John Shaun
works on all paint types shaun remember your black paint or orange paint or white paint, then has a layer of clearcoat over the top so its really clearcoat your working on
@@shaunvoss1895 S3 xxl you mean right.. because there also exists a scholl polish called s30. (so you can cut the swirls out with S3 and then gloss and refine it with S40) this is a 2 stage cut and finish polish.
john as kids we used to always say...red sky at night shepherd's delight, red sky in the morning, the barn's on fire..lol...cheers for the vid...have you tried the last cut yet that has been developed by a detailer in the usa, supposed to be nice, seem reviews on apex details with Brian and Sandro in oz on the car craft auto detailing in melbourne.
Hello. Do You use paint cleaner like IPA solution or Panel Wipe before gloss readings? Because absolutely all polishes ( some more, some less) leaves thin film which will mask imperfections and add some gloss. BTW for this reason I stop using Sonax PF as a one step polish, only for finishing/jewelling stage. PF is not so abrasive as shown on label. Thanks for Your videos, watch them all. Greatings from Lithuania :) p.s sorry for my (propably) bad English :)
Im ordering compound and finishing polish koch h9 and koch h m3 ( those product from new line) could you tell me if its still best options for gloss and cut thank you
Enjoying watching your videos - Following your guides I did a decontamination and DA polish today on the bonnet of my Mineral Grey BMW for paint correction. Pleased with the results on removal of the light swirl marks but I've ended up with white polish spots in the tiny stone chips looks terrible.! I've tried using IPA and quick detail spray got some of the polish out the chips but still looks like it's been dusted with white spray. Got any tips to get the polish out?
I recently polished my car with meguiars microfiber beret and polish koch-chemie h9 ... I was unsure whether to use the koch-chemie m3.02 micro cut or the sonax perfect finish, which of the 2 leaves the best finish for a white paint ?!
PF is a single stage cut and finish in 1 product. M3 is a finishing polish use to remove micro marring or holograms from the cutting process (or just gloss up paint).. So use M3 after H9, unless you want to cut more after H9.
@@ForensicDetailing if i want to cut some more, then i use sonax perfect finish with a finishing cap .... leave the finishing done and cut a little more ... am i right?
@@ForensicDetailing you know what happened to me, in order to polish the car with a meguiers or lake cuntry microfiber disc and with polish h9, I ended up finishing it, I made 2 squares to see which one gives the best shine, I used in an essence square with a rupes finishing cap, and I used sonax perfect finish with a rupes finishing cap, the problem is that the brightness was exactly the same as the cut of the h9, that is, I didn’t see any improvements .... My car is white, is it because the h9 cut polish was short and finished?
I'm a newbie. I bought a 2019 jeep grand Cherokee. I want a wax or something that gives me the highest gloss I can get. I'm not a detailed. Just a regular guy that wants the best treatment and look for the car exterior. Easy to apply, last, beads, brings out paint glitter and best reflective shine. Suggestions please. Thx
have fun with it Phil. Try something like collenite 915, Fusso Wax, Bilt hamber double speed, UHD by autoglym. Those are all good waxes. Maybe try the new meguiars hybrid ceramic wax which uses SI02, have a watch of my review of this as well.
hey dan.. cut with the green. polish with the yellow. white you could use for polishing maybe on softer paints. the rupes blue and green are very tough coarse pads for me. they really need to be warmed up and then you feel them soften a bit. I wouldnt recomend the blue actually. Even the green I find a little on the stiff side. they do function really well on the long throw machines, seem to hold their shape well and the velco backing on them is incredible. not too keen on them on the rotary.
Whilst gloss is obviously important in a finishing polish, that's only half of the battle - some will look much crisper and wetter than others due to a few different reasons but their initial abrasiveness is obviously a big reason. Scholl S40 is the flat out ultra finishing polish IMO. 5000 grit means it has minimal cut which allows an incredibly crisp finish with insane definition which the more abrasive 'finishing polishes' can't beat. Oh, and on dark colours, especially black, S40 darkens the colour and is the best finishing polish I've ever used. To use it though, the car needs to be near flawless as S40 has very little cut.
video title says Best finishing Polish i Bought Scholl s40 But product says its a Compound not a Polish can i use it after Koch chemie h9 01 cut compound ?
yes S40 is ultra fine polish (dont worry about the word compound really although yer that typically means more agressive protect) you can use S40 after H9. as a general rule though I tend to pair products with the brand.
Very interesting and eye opening, I’m a long time user of Sonax PF and have always been impressed by its finish. Looks like I will have to experiment with the Koch range a little more, I already use the H8 cutting compound but didn’t realise the M2 anti-hologram was a finishing polish.
its a terminology thing.. they tend to call it anti holograming in the manufacturing finshing process. And koch process are used in the industry a lot over in germany. they typically sand out defects and then remove polishing marks with wool on rotaries at high speeds and generate buffer trails.. then finish out the buffer trails with polish on foam pads.
If you like Sonax Perfect Finish you can use Menzerna 400 which is equal to Sonax Perfect Finish. They both start off as a medium polish removing P2000 but finishes off great!
In your intro it looks like you have steam coming out of your Air Conditioner do you have a video explaining what you are doing there and how to do it?
It's funny to see what other people think.. Here in Italy the school of thought is a bit closed on CarPro Essence and Angelwax Resurrection (As finishing and cutting). It's interesting to see a good alternative (Scholl) which is cheaper and gives the same results!
Did you by chance try a black pad with any of these polishes and see if the gloss meter went up? It's what Optimum recommends to polish with as it leaves the "nicest surface" according to them. Also Lake Country agrees with that as well. What do you think?
I have not done that test on the gloss meter comparing like a polishing pad with a very softer sort of finishing pad. my guess is its going to be really hard to be able to measure a difference in what gloss I can max out at. maybe thats one to video for the future trent
Good stuff John...Recently purchased Sonax PF and yes it's expensive. I was also surprised to see the rating on bottle at 4 for cut so I'm keen to see how it stands up against S20. I was able to remove 2000gt sanding marks using PF and wool pad on rotary which is really more an " I'm just saying " statement rather than boasting about it's cutting power.. But it was a late model Honda so paint soft. The winner here is the Gloss Meter which was able to separate the tiny differences. All hail the Gloss Meter... To the naked eye it would be hard pressed to separate these...I guess it really comes down to brand preference and price for us consumers, paint/environmental conditions for polish and technique of detailer. Unless one needs to water down one's polish for softer paints....Me Lord. It's a weird thing because once I select which one I'm using I always wonder as I'm working would the others have been a better choice...Detailers Mind Games 101.
It all comes down to $$$$...There's a lot of products and it would be helpful if cheaper samples were readily available. They're like laundry detergents always new and improved. I'm a big fan of Menzerna 4000. BTW Sonax PF isn't sold here in Aus so I had to search Eng/EU/US...Cheapest I could find was $119aud/LT from US....Ouch!!!!
For polishing, finishing after compound do you prefer using finishing soft pads or polishing pads. And is it better to use slower speed for finishing than cutting?
It depends really on what your doing, if your using them to refine a cut finish or if your using them on their own to remove some light swirls and bring up the finish. If Im just doing on polishing set I actually like to work the finishing polishers faster and then lift a bit towards the end of the set, but really its not going to make much odds. the main thing as always is to work all areas of the piece you are covering and gloss it all up. the finesse tips and tricks you hear can be overkill. the abrasive will deliver a certain level of finish as long as you work it sufficently. the finishing stage is really important though.. if you want to max it out.. do a second or 3 set at slower rotational speeds and hardly any pressure and just keep refining. would say Id typically researve that for high end detailing because the difference is hard to spot.
Hi John! While you were planning this video did you took in consideration CarPro Essence? Do you have any experience with it? 'Cause here in Italy it is meant to be The finishing polish.. 🤔
Great video. Can you perhaps do a video on how to remove protection such as wax or sealants? For example if I want to ensure my wax is completely removed that I applied for the winter so I can use another product?
check out the video on pre wax cleaners luke. Its a real golden oldie bured away at the bottem of the videos. if you click the videos tab and order themin oldest first you will find it. I was using lime prime abrasive cleaner. Its highly effective but Im moving away from it because I find whatever solvent or cleaner is in it is a bit too potent for me. The only way to remove fresh wax or sealant is with an abrasive (polish or cleaner). If you use an abrasive polish though you have to then degrease that polish afterwards. So really an abrasive cleaner that doesnt contain oils is the way to go.. I just need to find one that words for me know as well.
Hi John. I don't speak very well English so I have difficult to understand the best finishing polish for best gloss for you. Can you write for me a little rank? I need it for best mirror effect
the problem is all of them except for sonax PF put down virtually identical levels of gloss as far as I could read. I really cant tell you out of those 5 which matched which is the most glossy. Id be making it up as they are all so close.. but I guess going by the glossmeter Koch gave the highest individual reading following by M205. After that probably S40 and fs4000 and DK finale were about the same.
great video, take a look at the Last cut compound glaze by Jace Price Everyone says good things about it. It is expensive so you have to weight that up for what type of finish you get
ruclips.net/video/XggXYDTbCJE/видео.html Jace Price was featured on The Rag Company's pod cast and talked about the development of The Last Cut compound. I would also be interested in watching you do a review on this product as well...... Thanks for what you do and keep the videos coming
Another great video very informative as always love the scholl concepts range just never sure which one to use for what & with which pads with my da machine as not sure what is classed as heavy swirls
generally if theres lots of swirls then theres a whole range of depth of scratch and its like peeling layers off an onion.. but say you needed to do like 2-3 compounding sets. thats heavy correction and you want to be maximising (without reason) the amount of cut your tooling and pad setup with reasonably allow.
Awesome video. I am new to the detailing scene and this is exactly what I have been looking for, as I have been confused what polish to go buy. I have already picked up a bottle of meguiars ultimate compound, but will get the s40 polish or maybe the menzerna sf. If I needed a deeper cut compound for the bad marks could you suggest which menzerna compound would be best.Thanks and subscribed.
Hi the s40 swirl polish is recommended on dark colored cars, can you recommended something for cutting and something for fine polishing for a alpine white bmw? i have just bought a DAS6 PRO and only have meguiars ultimate compound which did leave some swirls behind as my BMW is hard paint. Regards scott
so S3 gold is a good heavy cut dimishing compound. And s40 is a final finish product. You have some in between products in the scholl concepts range like S17, and s20 1 step. these will work well on your das6 pro on the BMW.
I have a alpine white BMW and used Menzeena FG400 for cutting. It's good for light swirls but maybe for deeper ones you'll need a heavier compound. I'm buying Koch H8 or Menzerna M100 to get rid of scratches made by bushes on the left side of the car.
Because it will make the car look good? The readings are the readings, dont shoot the messenger, and I doubt anyone else has benchmarked them against other products on the same calibration set on flat test panels. for a one stage product it has very high gloss, in fact more than the other one stage products ive measured it against, but it didnt match the gloss readings of these out and out finishing polishes, which makes sense. In single set scenarios its hard to beat. but its not a refining finishing polish, it has a really good amount of cut before it breaks down, but use it however you want to.. have a watch of the S20 versus perfect finishing video on the channel.
I bought FG400 and Perfect Finish to polish a BMW Alpine White with Rupes White Pad and Meguiars MF Cutting Disc, but some scratches of the left side are still there, i guess FG400 has not enough cutting power . Do U recommend me to use the Scholl´s line S20 and S40? or maybe as a compound Koch Chemie H08.2.? Esoteric recommends Perfect Finish on soft paint. They say it shines above others. Best regards
Yo Ramon its hard for me to recomend something based on what you said, Im not trying to be awkward , Its just im not there I cant eyeball it so Im guessing. so you hit up some paintwork with FG400 on an MF cutting pad and there were still scratches. Im not sure if your using a DA or forced rotation or rotary (assuming DA with MF).. theres so many other unknown variables. That does not mean FG400 isnt delivering what you need it to deliver.. it might just mean you have deep scratches that you should not even atempt to cut out. FG400 has a good level of cut, if you were a professional and really wanting explore lots of options.. yes H8.02 you will find it has a lot more cut (imo) than FG400, but it can be more prone to dusting (its not a bad duster though).. but if your a guy at home you dont really need to go investing in loads of other compounds unless you really want to. Just go again. If your BMW is like F series generation stuff generally speaking you get a decent amount of clear to play with and it can be bullet rock hard, especially white. you dont need to invest in Scholl S20 if you have perfect finish.. PF will out cut S20 as well imo (and out finish it). With PF just make sure you clean those pads out well especially if your using very soft pads. PF will cut a lot early on and a fine pad will clog up quickly with it.. If you use PF a few times you will notice on a clean pad it performs great but can start sticking out after 4-5 sets, even if your scrub out the debry after each set.. if your going to use PF I would suggest you use it on the yellows as well. swap out pads with it a lot.. but use PF as a single stage imo (although might be times when it would be cool to use it to step down a heavier product its finish is very good, seem to recal talking about this in a video) sounds like what you dont have is an out and out finishing polish. S40 is a nice one its very oily though and it can clog ultra fine pads as well.. I would suggest you actually stick with FG400, perhaps grab some H8.02 only if you like exploring products and stuff (you will findit usefull but you can survicve with FG400). And for finishing polishes check out SF3500 and SF3800 I would have both of these. The extra cut of 3500 comes in usefull if you discover compound marring, or just fine scratches or MF haze etc after cutting, or just for a light 1 stage style enhancement (fine polish with a bit of cut). 3800 is an out and out refiner, very little cut (as little as it gets). very cool product and its something that can really make a difference, this will work fine on white rupes pads. This is what you should use if you want to spend the time glossing up paintwork after you are satisfied you have done all the cutting you should do. combo'ing FG400 with PF isnt gonna be an ideal team.. believe it on not you can actually get as much cut with the PF set (maybe a bit less).. where as you want to step down after fg4000, so goto 3500 or 3800. but important for me to say dont always chase a scratch free results because thats not realistic (hard to comment though on what those scratches you want to remove are).. Im writing this post assuming you dont have much panel time and that may not be the case so apolagies.
The scratches I try to remove are from the left side of my car. The car is a E81, not an F, from Spain so thats the passenger side. They are not so deep, I guess they were made by bushes on the right side of the road. I'm newbie and this is my fist car, my own car. I'm using a Rupes LHR15. I cared my car a lot but after 11 years It had some light swirls so I thought I could get rid of them with Sonas PF. No luck. The side of the car is very concave and Rupes stalls a lot so I thought 2 case scenarios, I need a LHR75 or I need a heavier compound. I'm gonna buy the machine because there are places where I cannot polish with the 15 and I thought also on buying a heavier compound in case the machine is not the problem but the paint. The paint is very hard because even on flat surfaces with four passes and FG400 some swirls remained on edges, I guess lack of tecnique too. Thank you for your long answer.
Forensic Detailing Channel I love menzerna polishes. I'd like to think you can't go wrong with a 2 stage polish with using menzerna. I guess they are up there with the best.
have you ever experienced difficulties with compound or f.polish because storing them in cold garage ? ( i presume there is quite cold because we can see your breath :)
Hi Jon! I love your videos. They have really helped me understand a lot about detailing. I have one question regarding Scholl S40 and its ability to remove swirl marks. With S40 I were able to remove the most visible swirl marks but after polishing there are still som light/micro swirls left. Shouldn’t S40 also be able to remove those given that it removed the more visible ones? Should I go for a more aggressive compound? I am using a DA polisher. Thanks in advance!
Great video Jon. Just a quick question on the Menzerna 3500. I’ve given that a try using my DAS6 Pro and a Meguiar’s black finishing pad on a cool day. No matter what speed I set my polisher to it just threw grey dust everywhere after two sets of horizontal & vertical passes. I’m new to this polishing lark so was a bit disappointed with that. Have you any idea what I’ve done wrong?
Hi John, I always finish with the Scholl S30 after the S3. I find it a very easy to use polish and in my opinion with the same gloss rating as the S40? Can you tell me if there is a difference between these two?
Ive not used S30. Scholl rate the gloss as 6/6 which matches S40. Its dimishing but has more cut. Im not 100% sure if its gonna have a less glossy finish than s40. my gut instinct thinks s40 would be able to refine the paint more. but Im guessing here. If it is less glossey your eyes might not be able to spot it.. We could be talking literally a couple of units of gloss that a meter might be able to read. Without playing around with it I shouldnt really guess. but S20 also has a gloss rating of 6/6 but I think s40 will refine paint to a higher finish (as long as your giving it a suitable starting point, for example your not using it to refine a hazed up rough finish)
S30 is excellent but S40 takes it a step further. S30 is more versatile though as it has more bite. S40 can't be beaten for a wet and crisp finish - it is Scholl's ultra finishing polish and that's the reason why it can only take out 5000 grit scratches, so the finish can be as flat and crisp as possible.
I reached out to John with some questions about compounds, polishes, and pads on a Sunday on Facebook a few weeks ago. He responded rather quickly and answered a few other questions I ad. Admirable to say the least. The information John provides and the level of detail mixed with honesty is hard to come by in any field.
Raige93 - which makes me so surprised when there are only 24k subscribers! I find him interesting in his details and always gives products a fair and balanced reviews.
@@gazgandalf4854 others thought so too ... no we're at 50k subsrivers, doulbed in the last 10 months
Hes a leg
Now already 250k+ .. he's the best and can be a good instructor.
Sir, your videos are the best. One of the best if not the best comparison video on youtube. Same goes for your compounds video.
Great video. Please could you do a shootout on 1 step compounds like Scholl S20 black, Sonax 04-06, Menzerna, etc
I use menzerna 3500 and 3800. They both finish flawlessly even with a rotary in a black paint. I choose one or the other depending on paint hardness.
You take detailing to another level. 😎
Rich from Iowa USA. Thank you sir for all your videos. Very informative. Go UK.
Haven't watched yet but no need to. Instant like! Best reviews on RUclips
I have both the Menzerna polishes plus 205 but recently have used the Rupes polishes with excellent results.
Great video. Sonax Perfect Finish is a phenomenal polish to use as a one step.
Really enjoying these videos! Would love to see you test 1-step compounds like Sonax Cut & Finish and Scholl's S20 Black. Also, I wish 3D HD product were available to you. I've always considered HD Polish+ and Scholl's S40 & S30+ to be the best finishing abrasives.
I'd also love to see you test out the 1-step cleaner waxes or AIO's. HD Speed, Menzerna 3n1, Meguiar's D166, etc.
You should do an indepth forensic video on why you make all the other detailing related channels look like a bunch of amateurs.haha. You're too nice of a guy to say it but we're all thinking it.
Merry Christmas John!
appreciate the kind words. the whole you tube game is a wierd thing. tbh this channel doesnt function very well as a proper you tube channel. everything is too long and the production is not great and that effects the take up and growth of it, its a slow growing small channel. The channels that get this right, deserve all their success, its such a hard thing to go in front of the camera and put out info and remain credible.
really enjoying doing the channel at the moment, its been such a cool way to interact with so many cool people. I think a lot of the people that watch FDC are really into their detailing. because the quality of the info that comes back in the comments is always first class, I read it and sort of get good steers on other products to check out. merry xmas matt
Holy shit this is the most underated channel
thank you for kind words.
Merry Christmas, Jon. Thank for getting me hooked to detailing this year, your videos are far superior to all other detailing reviewers out there and I am looking forward to more in 2018! Keep up the great work.
Incredible comparison, I’ve used 3500 and m205 both great products but work so differently
Another great review. Short and sweet! Enjoying your videos and all they’re teaching me in the art of detailing. Thank you.
ive only just heard about car detailing, I find it fascinating, thank you for your very informative videos, love them, marry Christmas . all the best
I’m using menzerna 3800...my favorite that I’ve used
I agree the Sonax Perfect Finish is aggressive for a finishing style polish. However, paired with a Rupes yellow pad is makes for an excellent 1 step on any color.
The signature trait of perfect finish for me is it's ability to finish down great on basically any paint. Great on sticky paints and solid colors without clear coat etc. If you are having trouble getting a desired finish on a car in the future, try the pf, it's almost fool proof.
Im sure its gonna be very solid.. but ive been a bit put off by the range and how sonax have developed it to be used. had a good chat with another guy about it in this video comments below. that and the huge price tag we pay for it in the Uk? why when you can get fantastic abrasives for 30 quid a litre, why pay 44? Its priced off the market over here and sonax have want you to use it on a rotary with wierd tilt sets... just bizarre.. developed for body shop and instructions written for people that want to compound out sanding marks in 20 seconds.. thats not me. when I use it the way I want to use it thats wrong apparently. so im sulking :(
Forensic Detailing Channel Yeah, they should probably redo the instructions on the bottle cause pf can really be used with any machine and just like any other polish.
Such great videos - you cut through the BS and give us the information we want. Thank you so much.
I use M205 as my go-to polish and have for years. I bought a gallon of the stuff for $25 when a local detail shop closed it’s doors, so I’m sitting on a lifetime supply. Per your recommendation Jon, I have added Menzerna 3800 to my arsenal as either a jeweling polish, or occasionally as a stand alone product for “super light” micro-marring. Menzerna 3800 tends to leave slightly more gloss than M205, but of course has less cutting ability to remove light to moderate swirls. Merry Christmas from St. Louis, Missouri (USA).
Hey Steve, you're only 2 hours from me! I'm in Wappapello, MO. Good to see another detailer so close!
Sonax is great for those 1 step paint correction jobs. Cuts well and finishes "perfect".
Great video as always Jon. Always looking forward to your videos. Thanks for your reviews through out the year. Greatly appreciated. Happy Holidays from LA, California.🎄🎄😎😎❄️❄️⛄️☃️
Charles detail N LA in the house. :)
Another very watchable Vid/review and the Koc Kemie is rocking the Scoll brigade. It does seem like the manufactures are upping their game for with the more options on the market now.
Interesting you showed various rotary machines, but no DA?
Although mentioned before, look forward to comments about these products along with pads used.
Happy Christamas Jon.
What have farecla done with G3. Pick up some cut and finish. Not much work time. I like to spritz water and slow speed buff cross hatch again working the product longer. Even over the glass spatter after just save on elbow grease with the micro fiber
sonax to me is a light cutting compoud, I used it on bike parts , is great on tanks, where you need a low cutting rate because of the shape,etc
yer see what your saying, although get perfect finish on a rotary and work it harder and perhaps faster and it has a really decent level of mid range cut, specially for something that looks so good. its a good abrasive.
@@ForensicDetailing I like what you said ' it is definitley not a 'finishing' polish'. on a scale of 1-10 where 1 is heaviest compound and 10 is finishing polish, mid is 4,5,6, this is a 7.5/8.5 on the scale. Like you I want finishing polish at 9/10 on my scale..
Please could you put out a video on what the best cutting pads and finishing pads we should use on a machine polisher and how we should maintain them
gonna do something on this area this year. problem is it will cost a fortune. gonna see if I can get some distributors to provide the pads. its gonna be a tough one to do because you have different pads for different machines etc.. and different formats of pad. but will try.. will prolly be a few videos.
Forensic Detailing Channel cheers dude don't rush take your time. Thanks for getting back. Great in depth review channel keep it up.
I’m on G360 and G3 for polish and gloss as I know it. Step one and two. The step three is a sealant. What is the negative of skipping step 3. I sell cars for a living and enjoy to buff but want a good end result and sell in a cost effective time
hi, I'm using menerza 3800 on my dining room table....I'm not a detailer, but enjoying learning a little bit, you seen to have much respect from your followers--congrats....my question: how do you get the oily residue off the finish....I'm trying to make it look better before Christmas and don't have the time for many for hours on youtube!!!.....thank you
How do you feel about the Rupes compounds and polishes?
Outstanding job young man. I always enjoy your vids. Very informative.. Thank you very much..
Watched loads of your videos your channel is my detailing bible love it
Absolutely first class information I'm absorbing it all like a Liquid Elements Silverback😁
Nice review. Another good compound and polish are griots garage boss correcting cream and boss perfecting cream.
I’m new into all these choices I have the m205 on order should be in tomorrow YES thanks for sharing
This and the cutting compound vid have been interesting Jon boy! For me I've been an Scholl & Sonax person....many, many years ago Farecla & 3M......Bodyshop bash it out days!!😱😜😆.... sorry I digress, last 6 month's was introduced to Koch (H8, P2 & M2) products and these are now my go-to with Scholl (S3gold, S20black & S40) still in my kit bag.....still use Sonax perfect finish (until it's empty) as a one step for new car preps, ready for coating. No equipment/product secrets with me! Totally agree with your findings, Jon, KC & Scholl for me👍 Top vid, Jon, merry xmas mate
great stuff miles, koch is definetly impressive. the h8 really gives you something different to S3 as well, I cant see what else you need in terms of heavy cutting compounds beyond these 2 products.
Gents, when looking at a new car prep, and polishing the clear coat with v. minimal cut or abrasion to it, is it S40 over S20 Black? Or is the another polishing compound which is more appropriate for new car. Afterwards I'll seal with Moonlight/Wet Coat. Thanks in anticipation.
I have only ever used scholl S20 black.it got rid of a lot of damage on the clear coat and it did leave a lovely shine on my car.in the new year I'm going to buy scholl S3 gold XXL and s40.
I've never used a machine polisher before, but fancy getting one. I'm torn between the Scholl S20 and the Scholl S40. I've got a 9 year old Focus, so it's nothing fancy, but I do want to improve the gloss finish a bit. I tend to polish and wax by hand twice a year, so the paintwork is in pretty good nick. What would you recommend between the two compounds? Is the S40 going to give a good finish, or would I just be better getting the S20? I use Autoglym Super Resin Polish and their HD wax currently. Thanks in advance for any recommendations
you need a machine polisher to use the scholl products. IF no polisher go for SRP mate.
I know this is a old video but I just want to see what to use to polish a brand new black truck that has misc cobweb scratches, water spots but overall the gloss is new but I’m having a hard time picking up a polish that will get them off in 1 step.
Koch Chemie H9 F6 M3 H9 cut with M3 finish F6 single stage of cut on softer paints with M3
Is finishing polish enough for a brand new car that doesn't have heavy scratches before applying wax?
Nothing wrong with a bit of cut in your Glaze ( Sonax UltraCut)
Is S40 good to follow up after cutting stage with S3 Gold Xxl? Or should I go for S30?
We need a video for the best one step would like to se f6 in it also does h8 and h9 have same gloss?
Great vid and find myself watching it over and over. I’ve purchased the scholl s40, will this be alright on my electric orange paintwork as all the ads seem so guide it for dark paint. Thanks John
Shaun
works on all paint types shaun remember your black paint or orange paint or white paint, then has a layer of clearcoat over the top so its really clearcoat your working on
Forensic Detailing Channel great point! Thanks fella. Keep up with that great educational vids 👍
Forensic Detailing Channel also I’ve got the s30 xxl, so I prep the paint with this first then hit it with the s40?
@@shaunvoss1895 S3 xxl you mean right.. because there also exists a scholl polish called s30. (so you can cut the swirls out with S3 and then gloss and refine it with S40) this is a 2 stage cut and finish polish.
Forensic Detailing Channel yeah that’s what I meant lol. Thanks for all your help mate
john as kids we used to always say...red sky at night shepherd's delight, red sky in the morning, the barn's on fire..lol...cheers for the vid...have you tried the last cut yet that has been developed by a detailer in the usa, supposed to be nice, seem reviews on apex details with Brian and Sandro in oz on the car craft auto detailing in melbourne.
high there not treid last cut. I dont think its available in the UK yet richard?
exceldetailingsupplies.co.uk
Thanks for your research man. It's very helpful.....keep on these videos
Hello. Do You use paint cleaner like IPA solution or Panel Wipe before gloss readings? Because absolutely all polishes ( some more, some less) leaves thin film
which will mask imperfections and add some gloss. BTW for this reason I stop using Sonax PF as a one step polish, only for finishing/jewelling stage. PF is not so abrasive as shown on label.
Thanks for Your videos, watch them all.
Greatings from Lithuania :)
p.s
sorry for my (propably) bad English :)
Im ordering compound and finishing polish koch h9 and koch h m3 ( those product from new line) could you tell me if its still best options for gloss and cut thank you
Does Sonax PF cut better than Koch M2/M3? Especially I am interested this for German clear coats.
yes, PF is more a single stage. M2 M3 are more finishing polishes
Enjoying watching your videos - Following your guides I did a decontamination and DA polish today on the bonnet of my Mineral Grey BMW for paint correction. Pleased with the results on removal of the light swirl marks but I've ended up with white polish spots in the tiny stone chips looks terrible.! I've tried using IPA and quick detail spray got some of the polish out the chips but still looks like it's been dusted with white spray. Got any tips to get the polish out?
I recently polished my car with meguiars microfiber beret and polish koch-chemie h9 ...
I was unsure whether to use the koch-chemie m3.02 micro cut or the sonax perfect finish, which of the 2 leaves the best finish for a white paint ?!
PF is a single stage cut and finish in 1 product. M3 is a finishing polish use to remove micro marring or holograms from the cutting process (or just gloss up paint).. So use M3 after H9, unless you want to cut more after H9.
@@ForensicDetailing
if i want to cut some more, then i use sonax perfect finish with a finishing cap .... leave the finishing done and cut a little more ... am i right?
@@ForensicDetailing you know what happened to me, in order to polish the car with a meguiers or lake cuntry microfiber disc and with polish h9, I ended up finishing it, I made 2 squares to see which one gives the best shine, I used in an essence square with a rupes finishing cap, and I used sonax perfect finish with a rupes finishing cap, the problem is that the brightness was exactly the same as the cut of the h9, that is, I didn’t see any improvements ....
My car is white, is it because the h9 cut polish was short and finished?
So would the Sonax be a good one step then
Keep it up , have a nice Christmas Jon , and here's looking forward to 2018 for the channel !!
Interesting test. I find M205 to finish pretty good on most paint, but definitely not soft black paint. Leaves lots of micro marring behind, IME.
I'm a newbie. I bought a 2019 jeep grand Cherokee. I want a wax or something that gives me the highest gloss I can get. I'm not a detailed. Just a regular guy that wants the best treatment and look for the car exterior.
Easy to apply, last, beads, brings out paint glitter and best reflective shine.
Suggestions please. Thx
have fun with it Phil. Try something like collenite 915, Fusso Wax, Bilt hamber double speed, UHD by autoglym. Those are all good waxes. Maybe try the new meguiars hybrid ceramic wax which uses SI02, have a watch of my review of this as well.
I have only green yellow white and don't know with to use for cut and finish for this product in film.I have all them I must be seek to buy them
hey dan.. cut with the green. polish with the yellow. white you could use for polishing maybe on softer paints.
the rupes blue and green are very tough coarse pads for me. they really need to be warmed up and then you feel them soften a bit. I wouldnt recomend the blue actually. Even the green I find a little on the stiff side. they do function really well on the long throw machines, seem to hold their shape well and the velco backing on them is incredible. not too keen on them on the rotary.
So Meguires M205 is good to go if not for price? Cause I just picked up a a 32oz bottle for $24.99 (US) on sale.
Menzerna 3800 plus is just great
Super video, outstanding information.excellent work mate.
Brilliant follow up. Thanks for sharing!
Whilst gloss is obviously important in a finishing polish, that's only half of the battle - some will look much crisper and wetter than others due to a few different reasons but their initial abrasiveness is obviously a big reason. Scholl S40 is the flat out ultra finishing polish IMO. 5000 grit means it has minimal cut which allows an incredibly crisp finish with insane definition which the more abrasive 'finishing polishes' can't beat. Oh, and on dark colours, especially black, S40 darkens the colour and is the best finishing polish I've ever used. To use it though, the car needs to be near flawless as S40 has very little cut.
Would love to hear what you think of the 3D HD products like HD Cut, HD Polish + and their all-in-one HD Speed.
Can you spot difference between gloss level of 98 and 100. Is it 2% only? Or it doest work like that?
No human can.
for removing very light swirl marks by Hand which would you recommend ?
Just wondering what you make those small square test panels out of?! Thanks!
video title says Best finishing Polish i Bought Scholl s40 But product says its a Compound not a Polish can i use it after Koch chemie h9 01 cut compound ?
yes S40 is ultra fine polish (dont worry about the word compound really although yer that typically means more agressive protect) you can use S40 after H9. as a general rule though I tend to pair products with the brand.
@@ForensicDetailing im a Beginner your videos and Guidance help me so Much thank You so Much❤
Very interesting and eye opening, I’m a long time user of Sonax PF and have always been impressed by its finish. Looks like I will have to experiment with the Koch range a little more, I already use the H8 cutting compound but didn’t realise the M2 anti-hologram was a finishing polish.
its a terminology thing.. they tend to call it anti holograming in the manufacturing finshing process. And koch process are used in the industry a lot over in germany. they typically sand out defects and then remove polishing marks with wool on rotaries at high speeds and generate buffer trails.. then finish out the buffer trails with polish on foam pads.
If you like Sonax Perfect Finish you can use Menzerna 400 which is equal to Sonax Perfect Finish. They both start off as a medium polish removing P2000 but finishes off great!
In your intro it looks like you have steam coming out of your Air Conditioner do you have a video explaining what you are doing there and how to do it?
Loving this channel.
Jon jon jon please could you do a review on 3d one. I'd be very interested on your thoughts. Regards
It's funny to see what other people think.. Here in Italy the school of thought is a bit closed on CarPro Essence and Angelwax Resurrection (As finishing and cutting). It's interesting to see a good alternative (Scholl) which is cheaper and gives the same results!
can i use scholls40 on a silver car if not can u recommend the best polish for silver thank you
the paint color under the clearcoat makes no difference james.. yes mate you can use S40 on silver.
Did you by chance try a black pad with any of these polishes and see if the gloss meter went up? It's what Optimum recommends to polish with as it leaves the "nicest surface" according to them. Also Lake Country agrees with that as well. What do you think?
I have not done that test on the gloss meter comparing like a polishing pad with a very softer sort of finishing pad. my guess is its going to be really hard to be able to measure a difference in what gloss I can max out at. maybe thats one to video for the future trent
Try this out please, I'd like to see if it makes a measurable difference or if it's just jeweling "placebo".
Is memzerna 3800 better than Koch?
Good stuff John...Recently purchased Sonax PF and yes it's expensive. I was also surprised to see the rating on bottle at 4 for cut so I'm keen to see how it stands up against S20. I was able to remove 2000gt sanding marks using PF and wool pad on rotary which is really more an " I'm just saying " statement rather than boasting about it's cutting power.. But it was a late model Honda so paint soft. The winner here is the Gloss Meter which was able to separate the tiny differences. All hail the Gloss Meter... To the naked eye it would be hard pressed to separate these...I guess it really comes down to brand preference and price for us consumers, paint/environmental conditions for polish and technique of detailer. Unless one needs to water down one's polish for softer paints....Me Lord. It's a weird thing because once I select which one I'm using I always wonder as I'm working would the others have been a better choice...Detailers Mind Games 101.
I think its good to keep trying stuff always but theres so many new products hitting the market you could almost change abrasives every month :)
It all comes down to $$$$...There's a lot of products and it would be helpful if cheaper samples were readily available. They're like laundry detergents always new and improved. I'm a big fan of Menzerna 4000. BTW Sonax PF isn't sold here in Aus so I had to search Eng/EU/US...Cheapest I could find was $119aud/LT from US....Ouch!!!!
For polishing, finishing after compound do you prefer using finishing soft pads or polishing pads. And is it better to use slower speed for finishing than cutting?
It depends really on what your doing, if your using them to refine a cut finish or if your using them on their own to remove some light swirls and bring up the finish. If Im just doing on polishing set I actually like to work the finishing polishers faster and then lift a bit towards the end of the set, but really its not going to make much odds. the main thing as always is to work all areas of the piece you are covering and gloss it all up. the finesse tips and tricks you hear can be overkill. the abrasive will deliver a certain level of finish as long as you work it sufficently. the finishing stage is really important though.. if you want to max it out.. do a second or 3 set at slower rotational speeds and hardly any pressure and just keep refining. would say Id typically researve that for high end detailing because the difference is hard to spot.
Another great video. Thanks for the infobyou are sharing with us.
Hi John! While you were planning this video did you took in consideration CarPro Essence? Do you have any experience with it? 'Cause here in Italy it is meant to be The finishing polish.. 🤔
Great video. Can you perhaps do a video on how to remove protection such as wax or sealants? For example if I want to ensure my wax is completely removed that I applied for the winter so I can use another product?
check out the video on pre wax cleaners luke. Its a real golden oldie bured away at the bottem of the videos. if you click the videos tab and order themin oldest first you will find it.
I was using lime prime abrasive cleaner. Its highly effective but Im moving away from it because I find whatever solvent or cleaner is in it is a bit too potent for me.
The only way to remove fresh wax or sealant is with an abrasive (polish or cleaner). If you use an abrasive polish though you have to then degrease that polish afterwards. So really an abrasive cleaner that doesnt contain oils is the way to go.. I just need to find one that words for me know as well.
Forensic Detailing Channel I'll dig it out from the archives and have a watch. Happy new year and keep the videos coming please!!
Hi John. I don't speak very well English so I have difficult to understand the best finishing polish for best gloss for you. Can you write for me a little rank? I need it for best mirror effect
the problem is all of them except for sonax PF put down virtually identical levels of gloss as far as I could read.
I really cant tell you out of those 5 which matched which is the most glossy. Id be making it up as they are all so close..
but I guess going by the glossmeter Koch gave the highest individual reading following by M205. After that probably S40 and fs4000 and DK finale were about the same.
great video, take a look at the Last cut compound glaze by Jace Price Everyone says good things about it. It is expensive so you have to weight that up for what type of finish you get
thanks bob loads of people are talking about this compound. do you know if its developed in house?
ruclips.net/video/XggXYDTbCJE/видео.html Jace Price was featured on The Rag Company's pod cast and talked about the development of The Last Cut compound. I would also be interested in watching you do a review on this product as well...... Thanks for what you do and keep the videos coming
Hey Jon! You never disappoint. Just one question though. Did you remove the oils left by the polishes before testing the gloss?
what about carpro we in norway love it ???
Hi Jon can you make video what pad to use for cutting finishing and speed for rupes for this
product
Jon what do you think of the angel wax compounds compared to scholl like the lubricant system
Cherry glaze works well even on top of rainX on the glass
Use perfect finish on rupes yellow pad or on a lighter polishing pad to lower its cut
Hi what do you think of rupes DA system?
if it comes from rupes it will be good mate.
@@ForensicDetailing really appreciate your help..Thanks
Another great video very informative as always love the scholl concepts range just never sure which one to use for what & with which pads with my da machine as not sure what is classed as heavy swirls
generally if theres lots of swirls then theres a whole range of depth of scratch and its like peeling layers off an onion.. but say you needed to do like 2-3 compounding sets. thats heavy correction and you want to be maximising (without reason) the amount of cut your tooling and pad setup with reasonably allow.
Great video as always. I just recently tried a new polish called the last cut compound if you haven't already tried it you should. Thanks
Awesome video. I am new to the detailing scene and this is exactly what I have been looking for, as I have been confused what polish to go buy. I have already picked up a bottle of meguiars ultimate compound, but will get the s40 polish or maybe the menzerna sf. If I needed a deeper cut compound for the bad marks could you suggest which menzerna compound would be best.Thanks and subscribed.
Hi the s40 swirl polish is recommended on dark colored cars, can you recommended something for cutting and something for fine polishing for a alpine white bmw? i have just bought a DAS6 PRO and only have meguiars ultimate compound which did leave some swirls behind as my BMW is hard paint. Regards scott
so S3 gold is a good heavy cut dimishing compound. And s40 is a final finish product. You have some in between products in the scholl concepts range like S17, and s20 1 step. these will work well on your das6 pro on the BMW.
I have a alpine white BMW and used Menzeena FG400 for cutting. It's good for light swirls but maybe for deeper ones you'll need a heavier compound. I'm buying Koch H8 or Menzerna M100 to get rid of scratches made by bushes on the left side of the car.
Why then Esoteric Car Care and Obsessed Garage are using Perfect Finish for finish? Esoteric also uses a gloss meter.
Because it will make the car look good? The readings are the readings, dont shoot the messenger, and I doubt anyone else has benchmarked them against other products on the same calibration set on flat test panels.
for a one stage product it has very high gloss, in fact more than the other one stage products ive measured it against, but it didnt match the gloss readings of these out and out finishing polishes, which makes sense. In single set scenarios its hard to beat. but its not a refining finishing polish, it has a really good amount of cut before it breaks down, but use it however you want to.. have a watch of the S20 versus perfect finishing video on the channel.
I bought FG400 and Perfect Finish to polish a BMW Alpine White with Rupes White Pad and Meguiars MF Cutting Disc, but some scratches of the left side are still there, i guess FG400 has not enough cutting power . Do U recommend me to use the Scholl´s line S20 and S40? or maybe as a compound Koch Chemie H08.2.?
Esoteric recommends Perfect Finish on soft paint. They say it shines above others.
Best regards
Yo Ramon its hard for me to recomend something based on what you said, Im not trying to be awkward , Its just im not there I cant eyeball it so Im guessing. so you hit up some paintwork with FG400 on an MF cutting pad and there were still scratches. Im not sure if your using a DA or forced rotation or rotary (assuming DA with MF).. theres so many other unknown variables. That does not mean FG400 isnt delivering what you need it to deliver.. it might just mean you have deep scratches that you should not even atempt to cut out. FG400 has a good level of cut, if you were a professional and really wanting explore lots of options.. yes H8.02 you will find it has a lot more cut (imo) than FG400, but it can be more prone to dusting (its not a bad duster though).. but if your a guy at home you dont really need to go investing in loads of other compounds unless you really want to. Just go again. If your BMW is like F series generation stuff generally speaking you get a decent amount of clear to play with and it can be bullet rock hard, especially white.
you dont need to invest in Scholl S20 if you have perfect finish.. PF will out cut S20 as well imo (and out finish it). With PF just make sure you clean those pads out well especially if your using very soft pads. PF will cut a lot early on and a fine pad will clog up quickly with it.. If you use PF a few times you will notice on a clean pad it performs great but can start sticking out after 4-5 sets, even if your scrub out the debry after each set.. if your going to use PF I would suggest you use it on the yellows as well. swap out pads with it a lot.. but use PF as a single stage imo (although might be times when it would be cool to use it to step down a heavier product its finish is very good, seem to recal talking about this in a video)
sounds like what you dont have is an out and out finishing polish. S40 is a nice one its very oily though and it can clog ultra fine pads as well.. I would suggest you actually stick with FG400, perhaps grab some H8.02 only if you like exploring products and stuff (you will findit usefull but you can survicve with FG400). And for finishing polishes check out SF3500 and SF3800 I would have both of these. The extra cut of 3500 comes in usefull if you discover compound marring, or just fine scratches or MF haze etc after cutting, or just for a light 1 stage style enhancement (fine polish with a bit of cut). 3800 is an out and out refiner, very little cut (as little as it gets). very cool product and its something that can really make a difference, this will work fine on white rupes pads. This is what you should use if you want to spend the time glossing up paintwork after you are satisfied you have done all the cutting you should do. combo'ing FG400 with PF isnt gonna be an ideal team.. believe it on not you can actually get as much cut with the PF set (maybe a bit less).. where as you want to step down after fg4000, so goto 3500 or 3800.
but important for me to say dont always chase a scratch free results because thats not realistic (hard to comment though on what those scratches you want to remove are).. Im writing this post assuming you dont have much panel time and that may not be the case so apolagies.
The scratches I try to remove are from the left side of my car. The car is a E81, not an F, from Spain so thats the passenger side. They are not so deep, I guess they were made by bushes on the right side of the road.
I'm newbie and this is my fist car, my own car. I'm using a Rupes LHR15. I cared my car a lot but after 11 years It had some light swirls so I thought I could get rid of them with Sonas PF. No luck.
The side of the car is very concave and Rupes stalls a lot so I thought 2 case scenarios, I need a LHR75 or I need a heavier compound. I'm gonna buy the machine because there are places where I cannot polish with the 15 and I thought also on buying a heavier compound in case the machine is not the problem but the paint. The paint is very hard because even on flat surfaces with four passes and FG400 some swirls remained on edges, I guess lack of tecnique too.
Thank you for your long answer.
Sorry I meant to say "from the right side"
Would be nice to know where the menzerna 4500 fits in.
for me its much more like s40. its really to bring up the finish. your not gonna be cutting much with it. FS4000 actually has some noticable cut.
Forensic Detailing Channel I love menzerna polishes. I'd like to think you can't go wrong with a 2 stage polish with using menzerna. I guess they are up there with the best.
Forensic Detailing Channel I just can't decide on the best pads to use on my das pro with them.
It’s used for jewling the finish. Especially with LC hydro tech crimson pad
have you ever experienced difficulties with compound or f.polish because storing them in cold garage ? ( i presume there is quite cold because we can see your breath :)
Thanks! I find M205 to finish less than stellar on soft black paintwork. Interesting!
Would you recommend Zaino Z8 Grand Finale Spray Sealant?? Great videos.
you know what compound im using jon s20
Hi Jon! I love your videos. They have really helped me understand a lot about detailing. I have one question regarding Scholl S40 and its ability to remove swirl marks. With S40 I were able to remove the most visible swirl marks but after polishing there are still som light/micro swirls left. Shouldn’t S40 also be able to remove those given that it removed the more visible ones? Should I go for a more aggressive compound? I am using a DA polisher. Thanks in advance!
Great video Jon. Just a quick question on the Menzerna 3500. I’ve given that a try using my DAS6 Pro and a Meguiar’s black finishing pad on a cool day. No matter what speed I set my polisher to it just threw grey dust everywhere after two sets of horizontal & vertical passes. I’m new to this polishing lark so was a bit disappointed with that. Have you any idea what I’ve done wrong?
Hi John, I always finish with the Scholl S30 after the S3. I find it a very easy to use polish and in my opinion with the same gloss rating as the S40? Can you tell me if there is a difference between these two?
Ive not used S30. Scholl rate the gloss as 6/6 which matches S40. Its dimishing but has more cut.
Im not 100% sure if its gonna have a less glossy finish than s40. my gut instinct thinks s40 would be able to refine the paint more. but Im guessing here. If it is less glossey your eyes might not be able to spot it.. We could be talking literally a couple of units of gloss that a meter might be able to read.
Without playing around with it I shouldnt really guess. but S20 also has a gloss rating of 6/6 but I think s40 will refine paint to a higher finish (as long as your giving it a suitable starting point, for example your not using it to refine a hazed up rough finish)
S30 is excellent but S40 takes it a step further. S30 is more versatile though as it has more bite. S40 can't be beaten for a wet and crisp finish - it is Scholl's ultra finishing polish and that's the reason why it can only take out 5000 grit scratches, so the finish can be as flat and crisp as possible.
Is it recommended to polish ceramic coating with M205 with sof pad?
Badr Al Subhi
That might remove the coating. Just an FYI.
you will strip it pretty rapidly with liquid abrasives.
SecretSauceyjuice Thanks for your respond appreciated.. Actually the coating cost me a lot of money but some scratches appears in front bumper.
Forensic Detailing Channel Thanks for your replay.. I always like your videos.
Forensic Detailing Channel dear how I can strip the sealant abd the waxes that I put it above the ceramic coating without removing the ceramic?