Aeroplane Heaven Hawker Hurricane - First Look Review! - MSFS.
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- Aeroplane Heaven's latest release, the RHawker Hurricane MkI is out, is it ready for release and is it worth it?
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Engine sound, the bane of Aeroplane Heaven
Try looking at a another video that actually showcases the sound
Like almost all AH planes there is no prop sound in the cockpit, if they added that all their planes would sound miles better.
I show case it just fine.
I don’t yet have the Hurricane, but that high-pitched sound at full RPM reminds me of a characteristic of their Chipmunk. It seemed as if the engine was revving way too high, and therefore the pitch of the sound was off. This “might” be the same.
@@kennethjameskerr Yep, thankfully Avangel is objective enough to point out sound problems on AH aircraft. Their modelling and texturing are exquisite, I don't understand why they are so sloppy on engine sounds!!?? To me, sound is the soul of the aircraft, if it is not true, the aircraft is a dud...
I was disappointed too. I find the flight model light and twitchy. Compare with the recent Bf109 (my current fav if I'm honest) that's a heavy feeling handful. I'm pretty sure the Hurricane wasn't as ultra-light feeling. Also ground handling is AWFUL. Freaking terrible. I've actually flown aircraft with castoring nose wheels (hello Grumman Tiger) - they were a bit of a handful with a waltz or two getting the initial endorsement but nothing like this. Also, I've flown plenty of tail draggers which needed the odd dab of brake to help them turn Tiger Moth (with added tailwheel and differential brakes for customer charter flights), Pitts and Decathlon - again, it wasn't an issue and it felt natural. You are spot on - and earned a sub from me. Keep up the great work,
On the subject of women pilots in WW2, let's not forget that Amy Johnson was flying for the Air Transport Auxiliary in 1941 when she bailed out and disappeared.
I am getting that same weird pink texture on the B-47G floats ever since the last update, think its an Asobo issue.
The first Merlins cut out under negative Gs - looks like you were still pulling positive Gs when inverted. It could also have the RAE Restricor, helping the carb work under negative g.
Wow im new to this channel and im now in love, i have always loved AH products but this looks amazing i will 100% get it, however sadly i dont know much about the Hurricane due to me being an Australian and our RAAF in WW2 using mainly the KittyHawk and i think some Spitfires and Mustangs. I love the design of the AH Hurricane and they seem to never dissapoint with their releases. ❤❤❤
actually now after watching it now i feel a bit dumb, i feel like this is a bit average for AH standards. Flying Iron should make a Hurricane because they have done an amazing Spitfire and BF-109
It's not terrible... but its a bit lower in standard than their thunderbolt and a few other releases.
yeah im new to MSFS to a point, i have been interested in their P-51 and so far it has not let me down however their P-47 i was told was underwhelming.
Yes, my favourite WW2 battle of Britain aircraft. This is the aircraft that did the real work. The Spitfire is a sophisticated thoroughbred, but this was a workhorse.
The sounds are actually very realistic I've been in a hurricane in RL and this was pretty close
I concur, I thought these sounds are very very good
nice profile pick of jersey jerk, you live local ? im down the road from sywell
" Pilot Action Man: Check your Bobbins! Now! "
They're for the sewing machine, used to make in-flight repairs to the canvas skin. You wouldn't want to take a 20mm cannon shell up the chuff, only to find that your bobbins are empty.
Always check your bobbins, always. That's your first immediate action drill right there.
AH needed to overhaul a lot of. Love Warbirds so much, but the only Warbirds in Sim you gone have fun are the Flying Iron ones. Hope AH updated there P-47 and the Hurricane soon.
Would add the GotFriends Wildcat and the Milviz Corsair. But not much more.
Aeroplane Heaven turned off the comments on their own trailer.
Can dish out heat but can't take it. 😂
I strangely really like the pink checker look😂
Am a sucker for warbirds, but the right brake not working is a problem. Think they will patch it? For the audio, I would just copy over the sounds from the F.I. Spit.
That’s accurate to the aircraft for differential braking both „work“ together like normal
@@AvAngel Ok, thanks for the info.
Good video! A few odd things about it so definitely needs an update. Rudder trim seemed to be rotating in the opposite sense, too. 12 flying Hurricanes left, one two seater based at White Waltham that you can pay to fly.
I must have gotten bad info then, I recall it only saying one. My fault there.
The left wheel dissappears when taking off and landing as well. Something weird going on with this dlc. Great plane though.
Good to add that skins have mistakes, even with code numbers (like this GZ-L, paint under the canopy and fence even). :( Also not colimated gunsight. Thanks for the honest short review.
Thank you for pointing out the flaws in this aircraft, I'll be giving it a miss until there is an improvement.
The sounds are supposed to have been done by echo 19 which is a very good sound studio that has done sounds for the millvis 310 the miltech Chinook and other great sounding aircraft, so I don't know why the sounds would be bad here.
I did see where echo 19 did say they were doing the sounds for this plane so the sounds should be fine I don't think they've made a bad sound in their life can't understand this right now I'll have to look into it more later
It does sound thin doesn’t it ?
@@AvAngel you really need to get into flyby cams i can guide you on how to do it
May be they made outside sounds only? Inside it sounds like a small outboard engine.
@@AvAngel Yes, now that I have watched/listened when I could pay attention on my drive home, confirmed they are thin. I hope they can be fixed by Echo 19
@@AvAngel
Hi,
Thx for the video.
Interestingly my sounds are not thin outside the cockpit. Inside there is something missing. It feels like that.
Especially in comparison to the Flying Iron Spit. But all in all it is a step further. The AH planes before that one have got some what awful sounds.
I got some pink textures as well.
I am on SU15Beta.
Would like a Hurricane in the sim, but this one is not worth it for me. Needs a lot of updates to fix bugs, poor textures, bad sounds inside....
engine sound is great sadly this reviewer doesn't showcase it ruclips.net/video/_X7oea9vvJw/видео.html
Can you hide the yoke (to see the lower 6 pack gauges) ?
Yes
Steering this thing is done by the motto "two lefts don't make it right, but three lefts do...!" ...lol (of course this assumes we are doing 90 degree turns)
@AvAngel. Thought i heard “Glock” in a recent video, along with “squib” in this video. Are you a plinker ?
:D
@@AvAngel 👍
Hi, everyone. We worked on the sounds for this bird and I’m honestly trying to understand the meaning of the comments about the engine sounds.
We sourced extremely high quality and authentic engine audio that was recorded both internally and externally in various microphone positions - if there’s something you think is not right, please share insightful feedback so we can improve it, comments like “it sounds bad” are just not helpful.
Thanks.
Would help if the person who posted had the volume up and did flyby cams great work echo
The internal engine sounds are almost generic, they should be thunderous, full of low end grunt. It really does sound tinny...
The volume was pretty far up, any higher and you wouldn't hear me.
Flyby im sure is great, but not more important than interior in a sim where we fly.
My comments are my own, they're my personal opinion. I've seen Echo19's prior work and it's been generally excellent. This sounds odd in comparison.
External is decent.
Internal; not enough bass, lacking around the 50/75 range with maybe a bit of 125. drop some 1k out of it and a little 4k.
Re EQing the interior would make it much more accurate to Merlins. The general range is there but its washed out by the higher end.
@@AvAngelI agree on the sounds. Having heard a Hurricane in the real world, it just doesn’t sound right. Which, I get is perhaps not helpful to the developers.
Btw, there are approximately 16 airworthy Hurricanes left in the world. Including a unique two seater.
@@AvAngel We've made some small dynamics/EQ changes per several discussions, it should sit a bit closer to the externals as far as overall mix balancing is concerned. Thanks for the feedback!
I think it looks rather good, and I hope AH patch what's necessary. One thing that alarmed me in the review - AvAngel, you say that the Hurricane takes off very quickly. I wonder - is this a return to the AH flight model of FSX/P3D days, where the fully laden , fully fueled SB2C Helldiver and C-46 Commando took off like startled sparrows ? The Chipmunk was the same, and with a few hours in the real aircraft, I know for definite that was wrong. I gave up on AH after that, but their DC-3 is decent enough, as is the Ford Trimotor ( except the prop hub animation ), so being a Hurricane fan, I hope they sort out the problems. They look to be minor and easily fixable.
I was on full fuel (attached the fuel truck to refill) so... possibly. it felt very quick, compared to the FI Spit, it was much faster accelerating.
Sim update 15 messes with ground handling, so i wonder what it does to this offering?
Not sure, on 14 iirc
Looks very nice....a little strange in some placees...and internal sounds like a Cessna!!
How so now? They are recordings from an actual Hurricane…
@@Echo19Audio I disagree
The external sound is spot on but the internal sound sounds like a Cessna
How do you disagree with a statement of fact? They’re recordings of an actual RR Merlin. What else do you want?
Only going by what I hear my friend I've been around airplanes for over 50 years inside and outside of them I just think they could improve the interior sound
Somehow I don't think that pink textured one was an original livery. Luftwaffe pilots definitely would have had an easy time finding Hurricane pilots. 🤣🤣🤣
It looks like high-quality MSFX From the outside. My opinion.
Nice video, but must say we never get 74 miles visibility over here. Would say no more 30 miles on a good day and then you know its going to rain. And think would have wind more than 4kts....
Love all your reviews.
The hurricane is my all-time favourite aircraft, and I was so excited to see it for msfs, but the sounds and textures are terrible.
It's such a shame😢
Real Cockpit Audio from a Hawker Hurricane to reference ruclips.net/video/WoJ3G16V6CM/видео.html , the Echo 19 cockpit audio just needs to be RE- EQ'd a bit and it will be good I think.
Good video you linked and yes they do not sound anything alike inside to me.
Probably because that video was shot on a canopy mounted GoPro. Unless you get a high quality capture of what it truly sounds like (which we have), you’re not going to experience the full effect of the Merlin.
@@Echo19Audio interesting I didn't think of it like that and I do understand there can be a huge difference in microphones, even down to what type of microphone you use for what you're recording. I've had a few songs recorded professionally and so I totally get what you're saying.
So what do you think is deadening the sound, because typically planes of that era Don't have any soundproofing or even sealing of the cockpit. Some even have big gaps like for instance the Wildcat and quarter inch gaps or so around where the cockpit closes in the back, I think the Hawker is around the same era early World War II.
It seems like a lot of the sound from the exterior would get in but I don't know anything about the cockpit or if it's completely sealed or what. Interesting points and now I'm ever more curious lol
@@Echo19Audio So do you record the sound and then leave a flat EQ as to not alter the sound that was captured? What kind of mics are you running?
@@Burstix No sir, we typically do altar the audio slightly in favor of depth. Everyone who has flown/been in a real Spit/Hurricane has agreed that the audio is actually realistic and authentic - it seems that everyone who doesn't enjoy the sound stems from this video. We recently adjusted some of the internal dynamics slightly, favoring more of the low-end rumble. Hopefully, this satisfies everyone's comments about how "thin" it sounds.
In any case; while there is not a lot of insulation in the older warbirds - neither is there in modern military aircraft. A giant plexiglass shield actually muffles the audio quite a bit, the "tinny" sound comes from all the metal resonating at higher frequencies, therefor making these older aircraft sound a lot thinner inside. The physical sense of being in the airplane is often lost when dealing with flight sims, so we try to over-exaggerate some frequencies to help compensate.
Some pilots refer to the Merlin as the most beautiful sounding engine - on the outside, while the inside sounds literally "like a box of nails" in comparison.
Was really looking forward to the Hurricane but based on this review, its a definite avoid for me right now.
Nice touch with the female pilot but compared to the Flying Iron alternatives that is the only good point for me.
How this got through pre-release testing is a mystery.
groovy baby its the Austin Powers 1960's psychedelic hurricane...
Yes, the Hurricane doesn't get as much as it deserves, relative to the Spitfire, especially considering it's role in the Battle of Britain.
They're a fantastic aircraft, the real hero of the BoB.
I agree. I am disappointed.
I was eagerly awaiting this Aeroplane Heaven Hawker Hurricane. But am gutted it doesn't reflect the hype of the review videos ? Unless there are many updates I won't be buying this.
Well, that review created more noise than expected. As a consumer the pink versions gave me pause. The reply you got from Aeroplane Heaven was, in my opinion, an over reaction. To ask you to no longer review their products going forward is in my opinion, a bridge to far. I hope that after reflection Aeroplane Heaven can learn something from this. I like their products and in fact their DC-3 is one of my favorite aircraft. If your skin is thicker than the developer (which I think is evident) your first look will not be your last. Be well and keep up the good work.
My skin is fairly thick and I will always be polite and I'll always explain myself.
The DC-3 is also one of my favorites in the sim full stop! if they update it, and its good, I'll praise it. I did for the 140 recently.
@@AvAngel I’m glad to hear your skin is thick enough. As for the Hurricane, I think I will wait for them to get the few things you found sorted. The one thing I like about your “first looks” is we get to see these products warts and all. In the meantime I am happy with my Spit, Dakota and Lightening chasing the ghosts of WW2.
I was most surprised today at seeing the pictures on the FESELITE website. I though ohh, this looks good, nicely weather battered skin, detailed textures inside the cockpit etc etc. And lo and behold this is what you get from Aeroplane Heaven !. A seemingly low textured addon. At least low textured in some places. And why on earth do we have an aircraft with such a shiny skin as if it just popped out of the factory an hour ago. Meh, not so good textures. My take on this is that someone did some fancy pre-rendering for the advert photos. And the sounds, oh dear, not so realistic in my own opinion. Sounds like a Cessna !. The sounds are awful. Yes I agree there are some strange things that do not seem right inside the cockpit. This addon needs much more work before I would purchase it. Very disappointing. Thank you AvAngel as always for your top tier reviews. Much appreciated.
Thank you for another interesting presentation... A bit like a Boeing 737 Max, poor quality control !!!...Roger...Pembrokeshire
I’d be careful identifying that pilot .. she might actually identify as a male 😉 Anyway nice review .. thanks 👍
Im just glad to get a female option and see the contributions during The war recognised. It’s a really nice touch
@18:58 - Finally, somebody has done a livery depicting the RAF's experimental 'dazzle' camouflage scheme, based on that used by warships in the pre-radar era to confuse visual range-finding. I've waited so long for this, especially the pink 'sunset' scheme used for high altitude recce flights (I was going to put 'reconnaissance', but I don't know how to spell it)
I remember the bitter disappointment when the DC-3 dropped, and wishing AH had kept it in house and done it properly. Hmmm... you can imagine how silly I feel now. They say you can't polish a turd, I wonder if you can patch one (GotFriends, are you in the chat?)
Sounds awful and that ground handling….is that for real..cid they really handle like that on the ground
The handling has a button to normalize it apparently. I did miss that!
You clearly seem to have an agenda with Aeroplane Heaven. You don't read the manuals otherwise you would start and run a Merlin correctly. In this video you left the start magneto ON instead of OFF, you started with the main tank not the reserve as you are supposed to. You ran the engine at max boost when it is not necessary, you forgot to prime, you ignored the differential steering clickspot to enable smooth handling on the ground. I could go on.
So how does this make it a fair review?
You are a texture artist I believe (?) so you probably have an axe to grind there. But do you really think we would release a pink aeroplane?
Above all you do not us a common courtesy, which is what most other reviewers do, which is contact us with concerns before publishing. It is a common courtesy which other reviewers make a point of doing and we help them where we can. It's called due diligence.
We await your email to our help desk with your concerns, that way we can address them.
I can't stop you but I would be more than happy if you didn't "review" any more of our products thanks.
I literally follow the checklist... you watch me do it. I also switched the start mag off... Is it 100% perfect in my operation? I actually missed the handling clickspot, didn't actually see that one, my fault on that part.
How that pink textureless aircraft missing its fallbacks is there I don't know... For reference, this is the package at Simmarket. That is as it came.
The texture comments I will hold to, I was polite and honest that was my opinion. Your other aircraft were better. (Also the metal weathering on the doped fabric section is a fair criticism) (Also No axe to grind, I haven't done it for flight sim in years)
I reviewed what I received from the store. I paid my own money, and I created my own content. I did not get this from you, nor have I asked for it. This is the post release version of it, not a prerelease I ought to liase on.
If this was pre release I would have 100% brougth comments and concerns to you first, that is the correct thing to do.
The funny part is I actually Love quite a few of your aircraft, so there is no agenda there... Two of them are my most flown aircraft.
@@aidonatorgaming27 Nope just right of reply. We fought two world wars to preserve it.
@@AvAngel Actually, when you "turned off" the mag switch with engine running you switched it down. In a British aeroplane switches are UP for off. I understand that you purchased the product and I thank you for it. The problem is that in your haste to get the video out, and I understand the reasons why , you rushed into it a bit. But please realise that what your 30 bucks or whatever is buying is 1000's of collective hours of people's hard work, talent and effort. It is quite dispiriting to hear comments which may not be accurate and sweeping condemnations of products which are literally hours old. If people are dissatisified with our products, please use the help desk provided to record bugs and requests. We will always produce upgrades, fixes and updates. I'm an old bugger having done this stuff for nearly 25 year and in my book a review should be clear, concise, accurate and as much as possible unbiased. Yours I'm afraid are not.
I could probably have been a little less harsh in my response too. But then living in Australia so long, I'm used to giving as good as I get!
The switch... fair, woops.
You also have to see that I, as a creator have a limited window in which to release content. I can't wait days for an email before posting a video. I always claim my reviews are "first looks" not comprehensive. It's first impressions.
I like a lot of your work, I really do, but if you listen to my tone in this video, im excited... and I then start to sound dejected because it's disapointing me.
This is objective, this is my honest take. You've made better aircraft... like the last one. That left the hangar in a far better state.
@@AvAngel Understood on content, I am an ex advertising Creative Director (30 years) . I can't agree re the package, there's a huge amount of passion and thought gone into it. But it is your opinion and I fought 43 world wars for your right to have it.