Hey Mark, I've seen a lot of great historic firearms being fired at the range or in shows etc.,. but I've never seen one of those rare Morse Carbines in action. Thanks so much for sharing this beautiful rifle with us. Take care and be blessed!
Wow! Just out of curiosity, how much would cost a nice old lady like this? Thousands of dollars, I believe, I've paid 1000$ for my Burnside years ago, but the serial numbers were not all maching and also, there were 50 000 Burnsides made! The Morse could be way more expensive!
Saw 5 of these guns for sale at Charleston S.C about. 17 years ago . All I could do was drool . Was told by a feller that bought one , that the Tarpley was next on his list . Great trip saw the Morse carbine`s and a millionaire at one lick .
Best thing about your channel. Seeing you work on and shoot these fine old pieces of history! Probably almost as fun for us to see you shoot it as it was for you to actually pull the trigger! :) Thanks for sharing! Wishing a happy and healthy New Year to you and family and all of the followers and friends of the Cinnabar Ranch and Gun Works!
Howdy Mark! I just want to join the rest in cheering you on with your entertaining and informative productions! BTW all of us are better off for your personal sincerity and commitment! A great example!
I am sure you were tempted to shoot it, and we were all hoping for it. But you know more about what makes a museum piece valuable than most of us, I figure, so if you say no, it means no. A nice piece of history, though. And what were you standing in front of at the end? I am pretty sure that's not a new Jeep you're hiding there.
Haha! If I owned the gun, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot it, but I'm too Scotch to take a $17,000 gamble just to be able to say I shot an original Morse carbine. Shooting a couple of blanks will have to do. That old jalopy in the background is my father-in-law's one-owner '57 Mercury that he bought new as a teenager.
Thank you Sir! What a treat! I learn something new with each and every one of your videos. If I don't learn something new? I'm definitely entertained. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!! And sharing these wonderful firearms!
Being from Greer SC area (where the foundry was )part of Greenville county SC. I appreciate the video and information. I have seen two other examples of this carbine . Once in Charleston museum and at a local gun show.
Hello Mark. I am totally into all the videos you post. I love History and guns. This question is off the subject of this video, but it is your most recent so I thought it might get the most respone. I used to have a list of numbers from Winchester on numbers that were stamped on the trigger guards and some were around the breech on single shots. These numbers signified that the firearm had been sent back to the factory for some type of rework. Each number one thru twelve signified what type of work it had been sent back for. Do you have any knowledge of this? if so can you PLEASE do a video on those numbers or even just post the numbers. I lost my list years ago and have never been able to find another one. Thanks again for the videos. I look forward to them like I did for the next Ducks Of Hazzard episode when I was a kid.
Thanks. I hadn't heard about that cartridge and had missed Ian's episode about it on Forgotten Weapons. Many references are made to the Morse cartridge as being the first. Although it's kind of a crude two-piece design, the Pauly had been around for nearly 50 years. It was definitely far ahead of its time.
Really enjoyed this , as I never expected to witness someone firing the Morse . How were you able to insert a musket or pistol cap in to the brass case ? Looking through my old cartridges I found one 50-70 round . That`s a hard road to travel . Well done , I will subscribe .
(Mike C) Great detective work figuring out that special 50-60 cartridge (like the 45-60 for the 76). I believe you have set a precedent now with the Smith and Morse carbines. You only have the Sharps, Spencer, Burnside, Starr, Gallagher and a half dozen others to go! I'm a big Spencer fan myself, the 56-50 was the most punch in a repeating carbine until the introduction of the 76 Winchester. I think the 7th Cav. regretted giving theirs up.
I had a Spencer a while back, but didn't have ammo for it. I wish I'd looked a little harder for the ammo. I do have an 1895 Sharps carbine in the shop, but it's been converted to 50-70.
@@thecinnabar8442 (Mike C.) We have an old fella here in Leslie AR that buys and sells Civil War era carbines from his antique shop. He has from 5 to 12 at any given time. They all look to be in very good shooting condition. When I'm looking at them I think of how cool "this one or that one" would be on your channel! Truly appreciate, and look forward to your content every week Mark. P.S. You know they sell a centerfire breech block for the Spencer just North of $200!!!!
Exactly! We've got this one on our website at the middle-of-the-road bargain price of $17,000. Kudos to the consignor who was willing to let me shoot it. I'm sure it would have shot just fine, but I just couldn't bring myself to take that big of a gamble.
Truly awesome beautiful guns. Sadly, firearms companies don't make a modern version of these guns that use modern ammo at an affordable price. I think more people would appreciate guns. I know some are made of the leaver action rifles but for sure not enough of them. Great video many thumbs up. Stay well & safe.
Is it possible that this Morse carbine was altered so that it could shoot the .50-45 carbine cartridge, which was probably commercially available in the 1870s and 80s?
Much has been made of the North's far greater manufacturing capacity, but I can't help but suspect that after every battle, that there were weapons available simply to pick up. How many abandoned weapons were simply left on the ground after the 1st Bull Run battle, when the North abandoned the field to the Confederates ?
The fact that the Confederacy was able to produce very few firearms doesn't mean they didn't have firearms. They captured the US arsenals in the South at the beginning of the war, with all the weapons they contained and bought as many firearms from foreign sources as they could. Blockade runners continued to bring foreign firearms throughout the war when they could slip through the Union Naval blockade. The South's lack of manufacturing capacity doesn't mean the Confederacy didn't have firearms. It only means that they were able to manufacture very few of their own and that Confederate made firearms are extremely rare and collectable today.
Absolutely we need more recognition in the south,
I agree. While the south didn't make a large number of guns, they made some really cool ones.
Wow That Really Is a Cool Rifle 😀❤️😊 Thanks To The Owner and You Mark For Letting Us Come Along For The Ride 😊
What a unique rare piece of history, and being able to shoot it is a wonderful plus. Thanks so much for sharing Mark!
What a beautiful old piece of history. Had heard about such a rifle, but never seen one before. Thanks for sharing with us, Mark.
What a great piece of History!🇺🇸 very interesting that is a center fire conversion! Outstanding video! 👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
Thanks a bunch Jeff! It's a great old piece of history, for sure.
Hey Mark, I've seen a lot of great historic firearms being fired at the range or in shows etc.,. but I've never seen one of those rare Morse Carbines in action. Thanks so much for sharing this beautiful rifle with us. Take care and be blessed!
You're very welcome Ken!
That's a very cool rifle. I'm a confederate decedent, so that makes it more interesting to me.
My son got his first goose today with a 131 year old Greener today. Love the old firearms.
What a beautiful piece of history, thank you for showing us a firearm that many of us didn't know even existed.
You're very welcome, Rick!
Thanks Mark and Thanks for the History lesson.
You're very welcome, Wilber!
Hi Mark, Thats a pretty cool old rifle, Thanks for sharing!
Chris
That was fun. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.
Thank you Mark and happy 24. Beautiful and unique piece for collectors.
You're welcome! It's certainly my pleasure to be able to handle such an incredible firearm.
Wow, what a beautiful Confederate carbine. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Beautiful Ole carbine
Wow! Just out of curiosity, how much would cost a nice old lady like this? Thousands of dollars, I believe, I've paid 1000$ for my Burnside years ago, but the serial numbers were not all maching and also, there were 50 000 Burnsides made! The Morse could be way more expensive!
Yes, this one has a substantial price tag. $17K for this one. I've seen one sell for more than $30K.
@@thecinnabar8442 Wow! Thanks, unfortunately my budget doesn't allow this kind of investment, unless i win the lottery.
Saw 5 of these guns for sale at Charleston S.C about. 17 years ago . All I could do was drool . Was told by a feller that bought one , that the Tarpley was next on his list . Great trip saw the Morse carbine`s and a millionaire at one lick .
Great video!
Best thing about your channel. Seeing you work on and shoot these fine old pieces of history! Probably almost as fun for us to see you shoot it as it was for you to actually pull the trigger! :) Thanks for sharing! Wishing a happy and healthy New Year to you and family and all of the followers and friends of the Cinnabar Ranch and Gun Works!
What a neat piece of history sir! Thanks for sharing it with us I always enjoy yours content!
Thanks a bunch for watching!
Great video and piece of history! This was the first I have heard of this particular firearm. Thank you.
Good enfo thanks for the trip.
Howdy Mark! I just want to join the rest in cheering you on with your entertaining and informative productions! BTW all of us are better off for your personal sincerity and commitment! A great example!
Thanks so much for the compliments! Glad to hear you enjoy our channel.
Beautiful rifle and a nice history lesson. Thank you Mark. Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
I am sure you were tempted to shoot it, and we were all hoping for it. But you know more about what makes a museum piece valuable than most of us, I figure, so if you say no, it means no. A nice piece of history, though. And what were you standing in front of at the end? I am pretty sure that's not a new Jeep you're hiding there.
Haha! If I owned the gun, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot it, but I'm too Scotch to take a $17,000 gamble just to be able to say I shot an original Morse carbine. Shooting a couple of blanks will have to do. That old jalopy in the background is my father-in-law's one-owner '57 Mercury that he bought new as a teenager.
@@thecinnabar8442 The rifle surely did roar a bit, even with blanks. You could tell it was no smallbore!
Thank you so very much for sharing this with us.
Super Interesting Mark. Great video.
Thank you Sir! What a treat! I learn something new with each and every one of your videos. If I don't learn something new? I'm definitely entertained. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!! And sharing these wonderful firearms!
Thanks so much! Great to hear that you're enjoying our channel.
Thanks that is very interesting carbine and I learned some interesting history too.
Being from Greer SC area (where the foundry was )part of Greenville county SC. I appreciate the video and information. I have seen two other examples of this carbine . Once in Charleston museum and at a local gun show.
Happy New Year Mark !
Happy New Year Mark! This was a great video
Great video, enjoy so much the historical content and its always fun watching these old firearms come back to life, thankbyou!...
Thank you for sharing a very unique part of history.
Wow! What a cool video! Thank you for bringing that to us! That is an interesting rifle.
Hello Mark. I am totally into all the videos you post. I love History and guns. This question is off the subject of this video, but it is your most recent so I thought it might get the most respone. I used to have a list of numbers from Winchester on numbers that were stamped on the trigger guards and some were around the breech on single shots. These numbers signified that the firearm had been sent back to the factory for some type of rework. Each number one thru twelve signified what type of work it had been sent back for. Do you have any knowledge of this? if so can you PLEASE do a video on those numbers or even just post the numbers. I lost my list years ago and have never been able to find another one. Thanks again for the videos. I look forward to them like I did for the next Ducks Of Hazzard episode when I was a kid.
Great video! But I think that the first self-contained center-fired metallic cartridge was the Pauly cartridge patented in 1812
Thanks. I hadn't heard about that cartridge and had missed Ian's episode about it on Forgotten Weapons. Many references are made to the Morse cartridge as being the first. Although it's kind of a crude two-piece design, the Pauly had been around for nearly 50 years. It was definitely far ahead of its time.
Sure enjoy this channel. Happy New Year to you Mark.
Thanks a bunch. Happy New Year to you too, David!
Really enjoyed this , as I never expected to witness someone firing the Morse . How were you able to insert a musket or pistol cap in to the brass case ? Looking through my old cartridges I found one 50-70 round . That`s a hard road to travel . Well done , I will subscribe .
Oh man.... everything you have is everything I dream of. Just Cinnabar is outside my ability to dream that big.
You and LeverGuns are the Red Beans and Rice!!!
Awesome. Thank you.
You're very welcome Ronald!
(Mike C) Great detective work figuring out that special 50-60 cartridge (like the 45-60 for the 76). I believe you have set a precedent now with the Smith and Morse carbines. You only have the Sharps, Spencer, Burnside, Starr, Gallagher and a half dozen others to go! I'm a big Spencer fan myself, the 56-50 was the most punch in a repeating carbine until the introduction of the 76 Winchester. I think the 7th Cav.
regretted giving theirs up.
I had a Spencer a while back, but didn't have ammo for it. I wish I'd looked a little harder for the ammo. I do have an 1895 Sharps carbine in the shop, but it's been converted to 50-70.
@@thecinnabar8442 (Mike C.) We have an old fella here in Leslie AR that buys and sells Civil War era carbines from his antique shop. He has from 5 to 12 at any given time. They all look to be in very good shooting condition. When I'm looking at them I think of how cool "this one or that one" would be on your channel! Truly appreciate, and look forward to your content every week Mark. P.S. You know they sell a centerfire breech block for the Spencer just North of $200!!!!
Interesting gun I would like to see someone reproduce it I was in Greenville SC today never knew they made guns there
The Rifle Shoppe was reproducing them at one time. I'm not sure if they still are, though.
No wonder you didn't shoot lead thru that gun. I have an old Flayderman's guide that values that gun between 8 and 30K depending on type and markings!
Exactly! We've got this one on our website at the middle-of-the-road bargain price of $17,000. Kudos to the consignor who was willing to let me shoot it. I'm sure it would have shot just fine, but I just couldn't bring myself to take that big of a gamble.
So unique. Black power or smokeless?
Wow.
Truly awesome beautiful guns. Sadly, firearms companies don't make a modern version of these guns that use modern ammo at an affordable price. I think more people would appreciate guns. I know some are made of the leaver action rifles but for sure not enough of them. Great video many thumbs up. Stay well & safe.
I'm with you. I'd love to see them reproduced even with modern ammo. Of course, those reproduction Morse carbine cartridges are pretty cool too.
Nice old carbine.
Is it possible that this Morse carbine was altered so that it could shoot the .50-45 carbine cartridge, which was probably commercially available in the 1870s and 80s?
It's possible. The diameter is right, but the 50-45's were a shorter cartridge.
Much has been made of the North's far greater manufacturing capacity, but I can't help but suspect that after every battle, that there were weapons available simply to pick up. How many abandoned weapons were simply left on the ground after the 1st Bull Run battle, when the North abandoned the field to the Confederates ?
The fact that the Confederacy was able to produce very few firearms doesn't mean they didn't have firearms. They captured the US arsenals in the South at the beginning of the war, with all the weapons they contained and bought as many firearms from foreign sources as they could. Blockade runners continued to bring foreign firearms throughout the war when they could slip through the Union Naval blockade. The South's lack of manufacturing capacity doesn't mean the Confederacy didn't have firearms. It only means that they were able to manufacture very few of their own and that Confederate made firearms are extremely rare and collectable today.
Tks
That ’58 Mercury ain’t too bad either 🙏
Good eye! Very close - it's a '57 Turnpike Cruiser. My wife's father bought it brand new when he was a teenager. He's 86 now. A genuine one-owner car.
That model was the pace car for the Indianapolis 500. Sweet ride!
Thanks Mark! Did the gun have an extractor?
Yes, I tried to show the extractor in the video, but it may not have been clear. It has an extractor, but no ejector.
Is that a lead chamber cast?
Lead melts at around 700 degrees, so it's not a good choice for casting a chamber. I use Cerrosafe. It melts at about 170 degrees.
I assume this Rifle doesn´t have an extractor?!?
Yes, it has an extractor but not an ejector.
@@thecinnabar8442 Thanks for the info!👍
Sure would be cool to see reproductions of these rifles made!!!
The Rifle Shoppe was making reproduction Morse carbine kits at one time, although I don't see them on their website now.
Hopefully the buyer is going to make reproductions...
The Rifle Shoppe has made reproduction kits of the Morse Carbine. I'm not sure if they're still making them. They have a website if you're interested.
Great video!