Spencer lived till 1922!?! So as a boy he lived in a world of muzzleloading muskets and lived to see Browning's machine guns. Wow. From single shots to many, many shots.
Definitely the best timeline to be alive, born in a world of black powder, cap and ball muzzleloaders and flintlocks and leave it at smokeless, center fire metallic cartridges in fully automatic guns.
there are way more things that would actually impress spencer in 1922 and you chose browning hmg LOL like he could die in 1899 and still be aware of machine guns
My great grandma (on my father's side) lived long enough to ride in an ox wagon as a kid, and fly in a jet airliner as an old lady. The 1850-1950 period was disruptive in ways that we're just not used to anymore. Not innovation or evolution, but invention and revolution.
@@sangomasmith Orville Wright lived long enough to see supersonic airplanes. If a 10 y/o kid had seen the first flight they'd have been only 66 when they watched Apollo 11 land on the Moon. As a young officer Winston Churchill led lancers in a cavalry charge. They had lances, he was armed with a sword and pistol. When an old man, in his second term as Prime Minister in the early 1950s, he was armed with nuclear weapons. Yeah, pretty incredible.
Not playing the game, but - thanks to a certain museum employee from england - I am aware of it containing a number of interestng firearms of the mid-to-late 19th century period. I'm still holding some hope of us getting an episode on the Vetterli before the sun starts to burn helium. Bloke on the Range has done an extensive video on it, but I'd love to get Othias' and Mae's take on it.
...sort of. It was intended to be an offshoot series, but there wasn't enough time. Now they're making the ones that can stand on their own as full episodes
Had to snicker when Othais and Mae talked on the problem on how to capture the clay hits for the video. I remembered on the DVD of the 2003 film "Second Hand Lions" in the behind the scene extras they told of the problem in the scene where Micheal Caine and Robert Duvall was suppose to shoot corn cobs out of the sky. Well corn cobs don't break when hit with shotgun pellets, so they had to rig the corn cobs with explosives to blow up dramatically to save the scene.
@@kingmichealthefirstofroman2278 If we talking only about slugs shots then maybe it's better but for just using regular ammo on the spectre spread cant be beat with the long barrel version
I'm another one who found Ballistol through this channel, and have been using it for my muzzleloaders. It works wonderfully at keeping out rust, and doesn't seem to gum up like some other commercial gun oils.
You must be reading my mind. A week ago or so i became interested in Spencer's work and found a wonderful 3-part article, and now THIS? you are spoiling me.
Awesome! I just inherited a Marlin Model No 30- G. Neither I nor anyone else knows a thing about them, so these episodes will be a personal help even beyond the usual entertainment!
I got invited to a black powder shoot. Hadn't done it before, but Othias showed how Ballistol can clean my shiny "Fairy Dust" revolvers, so I gave it a go and enjoyed. I'm still not a regular BP shooter, but I'm still using the Ballistol. Thanks Othias!
I would agree you are the foremost expert on revolvers based on your detailed and extensive revolver series’. Now for that inevitable book? It would be fantastic to have a contemporary book explaining revolvers with nice colour plates and updated development information.
Imagine being Spencer, seeing Browning surpass your design, then just go for a semi-auto, then see machine guns and WWI. Firearms advanced so far in his lifetime, in large part thanks to him.
I always wonder what happened to Snipes!?? Thanks for the information!!! I have used Binsal!!! But not on a gun. I was doing some work on my bike. Helped out a lot. Told dad about this don't know if he's using it though???
Chicopee Falls, MA! That's where my father was born and raised. Right next to Springfield. My father's cousin had a knitting machine company, making small machines useful for individual use. It is still run, as far as I can tell, by his sons. When that market for those machines crashed, they went into contract machining using their CNC machines and were quite successful. Actually, after the Soviet Union broke apart, they found a market for their knitting machines in Russia. It's crazy how these patterns repeat themselves.
I think the whole magazine cutoff idea is basically top off loading between shots. If you fire a shot, open the action, and at the same time insert a new round into the tube, that will be the next round to enter the chamber once you close the action, giving you the ability to leave any subsequent rounds in the tube in there until you stop adding an extra round each time.
The filming of the shotgun firing as well as the view of the clays was very good in my mind! Personally I think I’d be happy if you stuck with the same format.
I thought the shooting segment was great. Very fun to watch. I've always wanted one of these because my first name is Spencer and my elder brother is Christopher.
With regards to the "magazine cutoff" can you hold the decocker/hammer spur from getting completely reset when pumping back? It seems as if it wouldn't let the breach come all the way up but still allow u to carry it and simply repump the action. Hard to know for sure without it in my hands to try.
This has been a long time coming, excited for the future of C&Rsenal! Have you looked at firebird clays? Could make things more exciting and the hits more obvious especially for those of us viewing on a smaller screen or without the best eyesight.
On shooting camera angles, about the only thing I'd change is pulling the over-the-shoulder camera back a bit further to get more of the field, and Mae, in the shot, although appreciate this would make it harder to see the clays. Great work folks!
I think that peening you saw on the chamber that was preventing the barrel from unscrewing was actually from the firing pin. Once fired the firing pin can get stuck out and impact exactly those points. On some worn out examples the hammer can dig into the beach block slightly causing the firing pin to not fully retract.
Speaking of the lack of safety features, one could theoretically load a shell onto the carrier, five into the tube, and then keep the pump to the rear until ready for use (with little concern of any shells falling out).
Walking into the hardware store in 1886 and seeing this, I know I would want it. Hunting ducks at that time was a business around here and I could make a few bucks. As a market hunter, I would ask for it in 10ga.
the double pump for the first round with a 'carrier' position for the round reminds me of the Mk15 belt fed Grenade launcher that still uses a similar method
If i had a nickel for every time the superintendent of a silk ribbon factory became a firearms designer, I'd have two nickels. Which isnt much but its weird that it happened twice.
Is it possible that the patent note regarding the 'single shot' feature is refering to the ability to load directly into the chamber when the breechblock is down without having to first load the round into the tube? A note on this would especially make sense in the context of (1) single shot direct loading firearms being more popular with the military at the time, (2) Spencer's prior revolver-styled firearm that had to be reloaded via the cylinder, and (3) this firearm otherwise taking several moves in the 'shell game' (as it was put in the video) to get the firearm ready to fire in an emergency.
I would really enjoy an episode in civil war era rifles even if they can’t always be shot, I know you’ve done black powder pistols, shotguns and rifles both old world and new world and I can’t wait to see what’s next. Maybe a Spencer carbine
Been thinking really hard about the "single loading" feature, maybe he meant what we would call top off loading, basically keeping the mag full all the time?
We're used to guns that do this more efficiently because of centuries of refinement, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the action isn't inspired by farm or early industrial machinery. As an example, the action almost "ghost loads" itself as part of its function because it has 3 positions of swing in the breech block instead of activating the shell latch during extraction, ejection, and loading with all linear motion. Reminds me of a pull-push machinegun in some ways.
I have two thoughts: 1) Is it possible to press the breach block down from the top whereby you could load a shell for single shot? 2) it is interesting to note that Browning suggested to Winchester that a pump-actions shotgun would be better suited to a repeater action, but Winchester insisted on a lever action design, so Browning designed the 1887 Lever-action shotgun instead. I wonder whether Browning's suggestion was influenced by the Spencer shotgun or was an original thought?
We see it time and again with these brilliant engineers and inventors. Their first love is clearly guns ! They design, build and sell a gun. They go broke. They move on to design build or sell something entirely unrelated to guns. They find success ! But the pull of their first love of guns brings them back to designing yet another shooter. That finds success and then they go broke again or get restless and yet again build sewing machines or bikes or whatever…. And then you guessed it, are pulled back into gun design one more time. These guys are all like everyone that watches this channel. They are gun nerds.
Does it have an inertial firing pin? It has the return spring. If you lower the hammer onto the firing pin, is it then in contact with the cartridge primer?
Othias since you're moving beyond world war one can you please cover the American krag carbines? We just got one from 1902 and I'd really appreciate you covering it :)
@@TenaciousTrilobite That makes sense, thanks for asking him though, I hope he gets the necessary sources because its a fun little gun and I'd love to learn it's history. Also side note I love your content too trilobite didn't expect to see you down here lol
Spencer lived till 1922!?! So as a boy he lived in a world of muzzleloading muskets and lived to see Browning's machine guns. Wow. From single shots to many, many shots.
Definitely the best timeline to be alive, born in a world of black powder, cap and ball muzzleloaders and flintlocks and leave it at smokeless, center fire metallic cartridges in fully automatic guns.
there are way more things that would actually impress spencer in 1922 and you chose browning hmg LOL like he could die in 1899 and still be aware of machine guns
My great grandma (on my father's side) lived long enough to ride in an ox wagon as a kid, and fly in a jet airliner as an old lady.
The 1850-1950 period was disruptive in ways that we're just not used to anymore. Not innovation or evolution, but invention and revolution.
@@sangomasmith Orville Wright lived long enough to see supersonic airplanes. If a 10 y/o kid had seen the first flight they'd have been only 66 when they watched Apollo 11 land on the Moon.
As a young officer Winston Churchill led lancers in a cavalry charge. They had lances, he was armed with a sword and pistol. When an old man, in his second term as Prime Minister in the early 1950s, he was armed with nuclear weapons.
Yeah, pretty incredible.
from the first train to the first airliners
I call all Hunt Showdown players to this masterpiece of a video 😍
Not playing the game, but - thanks to a certain museum employee from england - I am aware of it containing a number of interestng firearms of the mid-to-late 19th century period.
I'm still holding some hope of us getting an episode on the Vetterli before the sun starts to burn helium.
Bloke on the Range has done an extensive video on it, but I'd love to get Othias' and Mae's take on it.
Howdy partner
I can't believe the shotgun series is finally starting!
Insane to think it was in the making even before the pandemic hit.
sweet!
...sort of. It was intended to be an offshoot series, but there wasn't enough time. Now they're making the ones that can stand on their own as full episodes
series is dead...only certain one off episodes and the bigger ones will be done
Bruno is a great name for the mysterious entity entrusted with production magic.
Being 60 i wonder if i’ll still being around enjoying this channel when the Stengun shows up
You will my brother keep on trucking we made it to the 1911 video we can make it to that lovely piece of engineering
@@SasoriZert Thats reassuring 👏🏽
Hang in there buddy!
@@SasoriZert Tube
Had to snicker when Othais and Mae talked on the problem on how to capture the clay hits for the video. I remembered on the DVD of the 2003 film "Second Hand Lions" in the behind the scene extras they told of the problem in the scene where Micheal Caine and Robert Duvall was suppose to shoot corn cobs out of the sky. Well corn cobs don't break when hit with shotgun pellets, so they had to rig the corn cobs with explosives to blow up dramatically to save the scene.
Wow! The Hunt Showdown (Spectre 1886) Says Hello!!
The slate is better
@@kingmichealthefirstofroman2278 If we talking only about slugs shots then maybe it's better but for just using regular ammo on the spectre spread cant be beat with the long barrel version
I'm another one who found Ballistol through this channel, and have been using it for my muzzleloaders. It works wonderfully at keeping out rust, and doesn't seem to gum up like some other commercial gun oils.
It‘s also fantastic at neutralizing corrosive salts
You must be reading my mind. A week ago or so i became interested in Spencer's work and found a wonderful 3-part article, and now THIS? you are spoiling me.
Awesome! I just inherited a Marlin Model No 30- G. Neither I nor anyone else knows a thing about them, so these episodes will be a personal help even beyond the usual entertainment!
I got invited to a black powder shoot. Hadn't done it before, but Othias showed how Ballistol can clean my shiny "Fairy Dust" revolvers, so I gave it a go and enjoyed. I'm still not a regular BP shooter, but I'm still using the Ballistol. Thanks Othias!
I love how you guys make seemingly complicated but ultimately just unconventional mechanisms understandable.
YES, finally a comprehensive documentary about a firearm much anticipated. Thank you C&Rsenal, you are the best
Bruno's animation: The Complexity of Simplicity. Well done gang
What amazes me about this is how well the devs of Hunt animated the weird action of this. Love the video and looking forward to more.
The little factory where that Spencer was made still stands. Its in Windsor, Ct, currently in use as offices & storage for a local HVAC company.
Ballistol is my go-to cleaner lube for all my guns both smokeless and Black Powder. Great stuff. Been using it for years, trouble free.
I liked the swinging clay shots. I think you guys did well.
Finally, the shotgun series starts! I thought it would not happen. Playeur membership still well worth it of course.
This is a wonderfully strange looking shotgun. Impressive how early it is and yet has so many of the modern features we expect from pumpguns.
Thanks
Man, I love the Spencer. I've been after a Bannerman-Spencer for years now
Cowboy/Civilain guns are always my favorite episodes, this is like seeing the light of heaven
Damn
I can't wait for the model 12 Primer. I own one from 1924 and I would love to see more history on it.
YES I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE FOR YEARS!!!!
Really loved the clays in the shooting segment!
I would agree you are the foremost expert on revolvers based on your detailed and extensive revolver series’. Now for that inevitable book? It would be fantastic to have a contemporary book explaining revolvers with nice colour plates and updated development information.
Perhaps with Headstamp Publishing????
I started seeing a bunch of short about the Spencer shotgun a few days ago, and suddenly, C&Rsenal video.
Thanks!
You guys rock - love the show! Ballistol is best!
It's interesting that most, if not all, early machine guns were readied by cycling the action twice.
I was thinking the same thing.
So glad to finally see the start of the shotgun series, been looking forward to this a long time. Excellent work as always y'all, keep it up!
I Iove the dynamic view from behind showing the swing and clay bust. I would suggest adding that to the slow-motion replay at the end.
Imagine being Spencer, seeing Browning surpass your design, then just go for a semi-auto, then see machine guns and WWI. Firearms advanced so far in his lifetime, in large part thanks to him.
Beautiful work as always!
Thank you kindly.
Great work guys!
the benefit of taking vacation. I can watch earlier than usual
What a beautiful specimen.
The weapon or Mae?
Isnt he though!
I always wonder what happened to Snipes!?? Thanks for the information!!!
I have used Binsal!!! But not on a gun. I was doing some work on my bike. Helped out a lot. Told dad about this don't know if he's using it though???
Great episode, and great shooting Mae
Chicopee Falls, MA! That's where my father was born and raised. Right next to Springfield.
My father's cousin had a knitting machine company, making small machines useful for individual use. It is still run, as far as I can tell, by his sons. When that market for those machines crashed, they went into contract machining using their CNC machines and were quite successful. Actually, after the Soviet Union broke apart, they found a market for their knitting machines in Russia. It's crazy how these patterns repeat themselves.
The hammer spur/trigger setup reminds me of the M1 Garand safety. I wonder if Garand was inspired by this.
Outstanding! Beautiful piece, well presented!
When I saw the title card, words cannot describe how excited I got
The shotgun series! The shotgun series! At long last the shotgun series! Hoorah!
I think the whole magazine cutoff idea is basically top off loading between shots. If you fire a shot, open the action, and at the same time insert a new round into the tube, that will be the next round to enter the chamber once you close the action, giving you the ability to leave any subsequent rounds in the tube in there until you stop adding an extra round each time.
I know I'm late to the party, but I am pumped for the shotgun series.
Holy cow this man live a long life.
Woooh, clays! I like that new camera angles
Can’t wait for the next episode!
The filming of the shotgun firing as well as the view of the clays was very good in my mind! Personally I think I’d be happy if you stuck with the same format.
Really enjoyed this episode
Shotgun seriesssssssssss!
I love that shotgun. I remember seeing one when I was a kid. A lack of appreciation for those old guns at that time, cause me great regret.
Ballistol is awesome!
Roper built his first steam velocipede (motorcycle) as early as 1868-69. The guy was amazing!
In 1860, Spencer fabricated a steam powered automobile, which he drove solo from Manchester to Hartford, Ct.
Once source says that Spencer used rejected rifle barrels for boiler tubes.
I have spent hundreds on ballistol
Directly because of c@rsenal
It really is the best gun oil I've encountered
I didn't know about the softening leather capabilities of balistol. Definitely going to try it out.
Thanks to those that do. 👍
Oh boy oh boy, it's the shot-shell diSpencer!
The shooting segment may not be perfect but for sporting shotguns I think it works pretty well.
We need a replica of THIS.
I have 2 of these here in canada one is a 1890 bannermen model the other is a spencer lancaster model beautiful guns..
I thought the shooting segment was great. Very fun to watch.
I've always wanted one of these because my first name is Spencer and my elder brother is Christopher.
Loved it!
With regards to the "magazine cutoff" can you hold the decocker/hammer spur from getting completely reset when pumping back? It seems as if it wouldn't let the breach come all the way up but still allow u to carry it and simply repump the action. Hard to know for sure without it in my hands to try.
This has been a long time coming, excited for the future of C&Rsenal!
Have you looked at firebird clays? Could make things more exciting and the hits more obvious especially for those of us viewing on a smaller screen or without the best eyesight.
On shooting camera angles, about the only thing I'd change is pulling the over-the-shoulder camera back a bit further to get more of the field, and Mae, in the shot, although appreciate this would make it harder to see the clays. Great work folks!
I think that peening you saw on the chamber that was preventing the barrel from unscrewing was actually from the firing pin. Once fired the firing pin can get stuck out and impact exactly those points. On some worn out examples the hammer can dig into the beach block slightly causing the firing pin to not fully retract.
Had a chance to to get one of these for $400 bucks. I regret skipping out on that deal every day.
Speaking of the lack of safety features, one could theoretically load a shell onto the carrier, five into the tube, and then keep the pump to the rear until ready for use (with little concern of any shells falling out).
Walking into the hardware store in 1886 and seeing this, I know I would want it. Hunting ducks at that time was a business around here and I could make a few bucks. As a market hunter, I would ask for it in 10ga.
the double pump for the first round with a 'carrier' position for the round reminds me of the Mk15 belt fed Grenade launcher that still uses a similar method
If i had a nickel for every time the superintendent of a silk ribbon factory became a firearms designer, I'd have two nickels. Which isnt much but its weird that it happened twice.
Is it possible that the patent note regarding the 'single shot' feature is refering to the ability to load directly into the chamber when the breechblock is down without having to first load the round into the tube? A note on this would especially make sense in the context of (1) single shot direct loading firearms being more popular with the military at the time, (2) Spencer's prior revolver-styled firearm that had to be reloaded via the cylinder, and (3) this firearm otherwise taking several moves in the 'shell game' (as it was put in the video) to get the firearm ready to fire in an emergency.
I would really enjoy an episode in civil war era rifles even if they can’t always be shot, I know you’ve done black powder pistols, shotguns and rifles both old world and new world and I can’t wait to see what’s next. Maybe a Spencer carbine
Great video!
Please tell me Kevin was off-screen in the shooting segment, operating a selection of terrifying hand traps!
Just in time for my newfound shotgun interest!
I haven't been here in awhile. You guys are sponsored by Ballistol now? That's awesome
They have been for a while now.
Been thinking really hard about the "single loading" feature, maybe he meant what we would call top off loading, basically keeping the mag full all the time?
i've never tried ballistol, might need to give that a shot
We're used to guns that do this more efficiently because of centuries of refinement, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the action isn't inspired by farm or early industrial machinery. As an example, the action almost "ghost loads" itself as part of its function because it has 3 positions of swing in the breech block instead of activating the shell latch during extraction, ejection, and loading with all linear motion. Reminds me of a pull-push machinegun in some ways.
Very interesting!
I liked the way you showed the clay shooting but I would also like to see shots on paper to see patterning.
I have two thoughts:
1) Is it possible to press the breach block down from the top whereby you could load a shell for single shot?
2) it is interesting to note that Browning suggested to Winchester that a pump-actions shotgun would be better suited to a repeater action, but Winchester insisted on a lever action design, so Browning designed the 1887 Lever-action shotgun instead. I wonder whether Browning's suggestion was influenced by the Spencer shotgun or was an original thought?
We see it time and again with these brilliant engineers and inventors. Their first love is clearly guns ! They design, build and sell a gun. They go broke. They move on to design build or sell something entirely unrelated to guns. They find success ! But the pull of their first love of guns brings them back to designing yet another shooter. That finds success and then they go broke again or get restless and yet again build sewing machines or bikes or whatever…. And then you guessed it, are pulled back into gun design one more time. These guys are all like everyone that watches this channel. They are gun nerds.
My brother has a Spencer. I haven't shot it (and I don't know whether he has). It is a gorgeous gun.
32:35 The difficulty in pumping the action and the pipe like profile of the gun reminds of the pipe guns from Fallout 4.
Does it have an inertial firing pin? It has the return spring. If you lower the hammer onto the firing pin, is it then in contact with the cartridge primer?
Ah yes! The shotgun from Bioshock!
My theory is that because the civil war carbines only like to load from the magazine he was saying that you could load directly into the chamber.
If you look at pictures of Devil Anse Hatfield, there are a few of him holding a Spencer Shotgun.
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Excellent, a shot gun was the most utilitarian long arm in the age of black powder.
I already made the only possible improvement. A pulled pork sandwich with some Carolina mustard sauce to watch a new episode
Tbh the coolest pump ever i love it
Othias since you're moving beyond world war one can you please cover the American krag carbines? We just got one from 1902 and I'd really appreciate you covering it :)
I’ve pushed him on this a bit, but actual good in-depth sources on the minor changes during production are elusive
@@TenaciousTrilobite That makes sense, thanks for asking him though, I hope he gets the necessary sources because its a fun little gun and I'd love to learn it's history. Also side note I love your content too trilobite didn't expect to see you down here lol
Specter, my beloved.
that's a pretty slick shotgun