The History and Games of the Sega Model 1, 2 and 3 Boards | Kim Justice
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Fancy over an hour looking at some of the greatest and most important arcades of the 90's? Here ya go. Virtua Fighter, Daytona USA, Sega Rally, House of the Dead, Virtua Cop and many more are here as we look at Sega's Model 1, 2 and 3 boards -- the 3D hardware that put them at the top of the arcade once again. Enjoy!
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DAYTONNNNAAA
That dude is a legend IMO. What a talented person, seriously.
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Did you see the video where he talked about Daytona Karaoke mode for the 360 version? He was all "I can't sing too loud other people in the Sega offices might be disturbed..." I'd always assumed Takemitsu Mitsuyoshi could walk around the Sega offices as a LIVING GOD
One of the best era's in arcade history, miss those days playing Daytona, Virtua fighter and Virtua cop on the arcades.
One of the best eras of gaming period ( I loved the Sega & Namco arcade rivalry back then) kids just don't know these days.
They will never know how good it was
Sad that arcades are just going to take an even steeper nose dive now due to the current global situation. Luckily my kids have got to experience the awesomeness of the arcade first hand a couple of times.
Those were magical days...I remember the excitement entering the local arcade and always finding some amazing new arcade from Sega that was years ahead of what was possible at the time for home consoles. I also remember dreaming about what amazing secrets they kept in Japan.
Somewhere in America, Sega Lord X suddenly awakes as he senses intense Sega activity
I would believe it , like The Shining
Such a shame that Sonic the Fighters plays so badly, the stretchy, bouncy, expressive characters look wonderful!
The way that guy ends his sentences like a bragging teen makes him unlistenable
I think he's pretty good
Very funny...
I used to work in an arcade and the ‘DAAAYTONNA’ theme is etched into my soul.
What I would give for those days again!
Lucky ass!
Omg this video is pure treasure! Thank you so much for all the hard work it clearly took. I’m really hoping SEGA put together a “Model Collection “ or something one day. It would be amazing to have all racing and fighting game’s in one place. Oh a man can dream! It would find new life on Switch.
Brilliant Video, as always. For House of the Dead in the Model 2 Emulator: the pointer calibration is always off initially. You can recalibrate it using the original arcade menu though. (F-keys iirc) Actually shooting where you point makes it that much more enjoyable :D
I had Manx TT on the Saturn I remember using the cheat so you could ride a sheep going nearly 200mph
Shift up x2 down x2, left, right, brake accelerate iirc
At the arcade no one could come close to me on manx tt .. this was by far my best played game ever 👍👍
I'm one of the biggest fans of the Model series that I grew up on in the arcades (Join my FB group: sega arcade model 1-3 boards), and this doc was PHENOMENAL and deserves so many more views than 30k. Absolutely fantastic.
Come on Kim darling. Virtua Striker 2 was a lot of fun and came out on the Dreamcast. Virtua Striker 3 was a lot of fun too
Supermodel author here. Some notes:
- Star Wars Trilogy is very playable in the emulator with a mouse. It ought to be configured for mouse support out of the box but if not, it's easy enough to set up by mapping the analog joystick axes to the mouse.
- There are many Scud Race ROM sets and you had the misfortune of finding the single one whose 2D graphics layer renders incorrectly :) The most common ROM set runs just fine.
- At various points in Supermodel's development history, Fighting Vipers 2 has been playable at full speed. I *thought* the latest code runs it correctly but it may be necessary to tweak the emulation clock frequency, which is deliberately under clocked by default in order to improve performance for most games running on older PCs. A few games require accurate clocking and it's possible FV2 is one of them. The actual hardware ran at 100 MHz and I believe Supermodel defaults to something like 50 MHz.
BartTrzynadlowski Thank you for the time and effort you’ve put into working on Supermodel. Finding out that Model 2 & 3 emulation is decent is what led to me recently picking up a PC. Just waiting on the Sinden Lightgun now.
I forgot to mention that the flickering cars in Sega Rally 2 are also due to the PowerPC frequency being too low. Bumping it up over 100 MHz should fix it.
I tried an actual star wars arcade machine and the inverted controls made my head spin :p Someone 'fixed' the 2d bug in the japanese version of scud with a sort of code cheat program that patched the memory of the emulator. Just changed a 1 or 0. But I couldn't figure out what the address actually changed to try and fix it properly in emulation. Maybe worth a look at ? :)
@@NB-1 Naomi's PowerVR chipset was more powerful than Model 3's overall and far more versatile. The CPU was comparable to Step 2.0 (SH-4 200MHz vs. PowerPC 603 166MHz) but Naomi had far more RAM. I think there's no question that it was a far more capable system.
@@trzy And what about Dreamcast?
Great series of videos. Once again you've gone above and beyond for us
Glad Motor Raid is getting the love it deserves on this list. For anyone looking to play it, I'd recommend playing it through Judgment on PS4 where it got a bit of a cleanup controls and graphics wise. Plus Judgment was also really good so there's that.
My brother used to work in an arcade place and they had the Jurassic arcade.
I played so many times for free :)
Great arcade.
Fantastic video, Kim. Brings back a ton of memories. I had a Sega arcade near me in the 90's, and I only ever went on the free play days where you'd pay a fiver to get in and all the machines were free vend. I remember playing a great many of the games in this video, it was an amazing experience and a very special era of gaming. The only problem with free play days is the arcade is always packed and you'd be waiting ages to get on some games. Daytona USA always seemed to have all eight players constantly, and there was always a big queue for Super Street Fighter II Turbo and Tekken 2. Virtua Fighter was never all that popular, and I wasn't a fan either so that machine was often available.
I mostly played the shooting games, HotD, Gunblade NY, Virtua Cop, Time Crisis. Gunblade was especially fun on free play days cause you could play 2-player on your on and have a gun in each hand, without it costing a fortune. VOOT was my absolute favourite though, holy hell was that game amazing with the big screen and dual stick controls. The machine was never hugely popular but I loved it and played it an absolute ton. Easily the arcade game I've spent the most time with.
I feel privileged to have grown up in this era, when arcades were a thing and they were a step above anything you could get at home. If you were a gamer in the 90's, going to an arcade and playing these incredible games was almost a religious experience. I hate to be all "you had to be there" but, yeah..
Motor Raid did get a port (kind of). You can play it in the arcades in the game Judgment.
Absolutely Wonderful job covering so many games so effectively.
Kim!!! You are the Arcade master!!! Thank you so much for the time and effort you’ve put into these videos. I’m a die hard arcade fan and playing emulated arcade games takes up about 90% of my game playing.
i used to love sega world in the london trocadero, rip massive arcades ...
SEGA Arcade games = BEST Arcade games!
I'd love to see M2 go to the titanic effort put together some ports of these because I'm too lazy to work out how to configure the controls on those emulators.
know what id like to see Kim cover? Atari's later arcade run. they did some amazing games and i rank them up right up there with Sega and Capcom.
Actually 3D Road Rash,if you want to call it that,did get a home port. It's in the Sega arcade in Judgement for the PS4. It's a really fun game and is a nice extra. There's also an arcade perfect port of Virtua On in Yakuza 6.
I freaking love this series! Thank you so much for putting these together!
I think I got Emergency Call Ambulance running once or twice you can definitely do it.Love this great content as always
Excellent work as always. Thanks for doing all the research, recording and editing.
1:01:52 sega GT/scud race was AMAZING. i also loved shinobi from 1987, what a great game
Great video. Fighting Vipers 2 was an interesting PAL game as it retained the original name for Candy aka Honey.
Awesome video Kim tons of stuff I didnt even know about well done!
The Saturn ports of Virtua Fighter 2, Sega Rally and Virtua Cop were something special, too. Virtua Fighter 2 on the Saturn ran at 720x480 60fps in 1995! When all other 3D fighting games like the entire PS1 Tekken series were 320x240 30fps. Pretty incredible.
Those 3 killer apps sold Sega Saturns like no tomorrow. Nothing could stand up against Sega Rally back in those days, it's just unfortunate that there were ZERO racing games that followed up and continued the flag bearing. Heck, for example, look at Sega Touring Cars Championship. That was a 1st party game, released much after Sega Rally, and, graphically, the game was an absolute disaster and the team had zero excuses. In fact, it's Sega Japan's fault. Unlike Sony, they didn't make sure that they shared their incredible VF2 and Sega Rally engines to everyone else in their own department let alone externally (baring Dead or Alive, which was Yu Suzuki's decision with Tecmo boss at the time). For that major mistake, the Saturn suffered BADDDDDDDDDDDLY as no other games quality-wise followed up. Thanks, Sega.
Sorry, little correction - Spikeout: Battle Street
isn't obscure on the Xbox, it didn't only come out in Japan. I only know this because I picked it up in a charity shop in Britain for a couple of quid and was playing it last year.
1:04:53 That's still the most detailed looking T-Rex I've seen in a video game to date.
I remember being gutted when I went to my local game shop and asking them where I could get ahold of the virtual sticks for the saturn mentioned in the PAL manual. Got told they weren’t coming over here and even tho the shop did imports it was only for the N64 and PlayStation due to lack of interest in Saturn.
21:22 Definitely go for the second take...
Next UP.... next _up_
16:45 Sumo guy is on VF5 Final Showdown
Takaarashi. Yup. He is in VF5 Final Showdown.
Also known as THE Only Absentee in VF's History, The First 8 got Perfect Attendance.
"if this were a countdown, VO:OT would be my number 1"
hearing that brings a tear of joy to my eye
This vid was so well done. Thank you so much. Very enjoyable throughout.
Motor raid is in the arcade in the game Judgement on PS4. Fun title
Oh in Australia you’ll still find Daytona virtua cop and LA machine gunners. LA mg’ers was my fave.
29:25 Rally is a sport, Daytona is a sport, fighting is a sport. :)
46:00 sounds like The Killing Game Show music on the Amiga. Sort of.
There are really good ports of Gunblade NY and it's sequel on the Wii. I actually have a separate room set aside in our house for older games like the Colecovision and our 2 player arcade set up. All our light gun games for systems like the Saturn and PS1 are here,hooked up to a 32 inch CRT Sony TV. My 10 year old niece loves playing games like Virtua Cop 2, House of the Dead 2 and Elemental Gearbolt with the light guns. It's as close to an arcade as you can get without the actual arcades. Playing those games with good light guns is the best way to play them. Sadly I don't have a PC and have no desire to learn anything about emulators and the complex process of getting them to work. I'll stick to the Saturn and the Dreamcast. Hopefully some of the lesser seen arcade games here will see releases like Virtua Racing got on the Switch.
Daytona, the game that could be heard all over the arcade 😅
This is the one I've been waiting for. Love my Sega Model 1, 2 and 3. Thanks Kim!
Fighting Vipers 2 (DC) and Spikeout Battle Street (XBOX) both got PAL releases and Spikeout even got a US release. Fantastic video! Just couldn't help but correct those two factoids though, sorry.
Great video. Though Virtua Striker 2 did get a home port, on the Dreamcast
Great video. However, I distinctly remember having Virtua Striker 2 on my Dreamcast back in the day. It was every bit as unplayable as you alluded to.
LA machine guns was still in the Trafford Centre five years ago. Top vid Kim I don’t do a lot of commenting. Not new to channel but I checked the eight bit stuff first. All excellent. Love the windy comment🤣🤣
Gunblade NY and LA Machineguns double pack on the Wii well worth picking up.
You know, I just realized, that the Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm games are more or less Virtual On game.
31:12 You state that as with the original, Virtua Striker 2 never received a home port. This is not correct. It was released on Dreamcast, at least here in the UK it was.
Good to know I can track it down on Redream
(Watching Virtua Fighter) Stop leaping! Enough with the giant leaps! Stop it! 😸
Fighting Vipers 2 did come out in Europe on the Dreamcast. Never got a USA release though.
Thank you for the upload ! Time to get the beers in and have a Kim justice session !!! Thank you kimothy
Really like you're intro Very 70'/80's
Another great video Kim
Virtua Racing was a favourite of mine. The graphics look dated now, but the game still stands up IMO.
@@NB-1 I don't think I know as much about it as you, but I do rate it very highly!
Since Larry Bundy Jr once said that Model 1s are prone to overheat and stop working, I hope they can be modded to include fans and heat sinks! I once saw someone restore a Commodore SX-64 and fit it with a heat sink!
Wow ! SUPERB !!!! Watched first 5 mins , keeping rest for tonight. Thanks for this!!!!
the moddle 3 and namco system22 were staples at the local funland arcade where I live. I think they had at least 2 system22 games (rapid river and ridge racer 1) and a moddel 3 game (original scudd race/sega super gt, though they later replaced it with star wars trilogy arcade).
Gunblade NY is great on the Wii but I do miss the giant vibrating gun
House of the Dead was an amazing game, played it on my Dreamcast (I'm pretty sure), pain with the gun games was hat they didn't work on flat screen TV's.
Great work as usual. Can't wait for Codemasters!
someone tell kim that graphical glitches and slowdowns in supermodel 3 are because the emulated CPU is set to 50% speed by default in the config file. Set it to 65% or higher and it runs with no glitches at full speed. Do not set it too high tho or the performance cost will be too severe. 65%-70% is a good tested range.
great rundown of the Model 1->3 games, but at 2:20 how could you not mention how Sega DIDN'T develop the Model-2 or Model-3 hardware entirely in-house?
Lockheed Martin is an American global aerospace, defense, security, and advanced technology company. It was formed in 1995 after a merger between Lockheed Corporation and Martin Marietta.
A spin-off company from Lockheed Martin, Real3D, specialized in 3D graphics chip technology. Real3D designed graphics chips for the Sega Model 2 and Sega Model 3 arcade systems.
Sega enlisted Lockhead Martin's "Real3D" technology for the entire basis of the main Sega Model-2 and Model-3 processors, not only that, GE Aerospace Simulation & Control Systems Department (GE/SCSD) practically prototyped what would become "Daytona USA" for Sega and presented it to Sega as a Demo for what Real3D could do. Martin Marietta even sponsored the Sega Model 2 arcade game, Desert Tank.
FTA:
_Near the end of 1990, we asked our demo group to model the Daytona International Speedway(r), which was conveniently located across the street from our facility. To that geometrically correct model, we added a couple of Formula One race cars with reasonably good vehicle dynamics that you could "drive". This whole thing ran in real-time, at 60 frames per second, with about 6,000 polygons per frame, on 1M pixel displays, on a Compu-Scene PT2000 image generator which sold for about $1.5M. We made a cool looking video tape with music and sound effects and hit the road._
_We visited Sega in November of 1990. At that time, all Sega's arcade games were based on sprites. They happened to be developing their very first polygon-based graphics system, which they called Model One. Model One was pretty crude by today's standards, but at the time it was pretty good. By comparison, it looked a lot like the Compu-Scene systems from the Apollo Space Program days, except that it went into a $15K arcade games instead of a multi-million dollar simulator. We showed Sega our video tape which demonstrated real-time, trilinear texture filtering, shading, and a host of other 3D graphics features and they became very interested in the GE technology._
_To make a long story shorter, GE/SCSD was interested in adapting its Compu-Scene technology to non-military markets and Sega was very interested in improving the graphics quality of its arcade games._
segaretro.org/Lockheed_Martin
www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?23803-The-origins-of-Sega-s-Model-2-arcade-board-and-an-interview-with-Real3D
www.thg.ru/smoke/19991022/print.html
arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1171033
great point!
Motor Raid is indeed very addictive!
Sonic Fighters is a cool game!
I thouroughly enjoyed that Kim, well done!
Great video, but a heads up ... Fighting Vipers 2 did get a western release. It’s currently available in CEX for £35 in “Boxed” condition! 🤣👍🏻 Also, Virtua Striker 2 got released on Dreamcast in all regions ... it’s currently on my GDEMU, and it’s bloody great fun!
This is a great watch.
I know it was never possible because of the cost but, imagine if Sega packed the Model 2 into the Saturn and the amazing arcade perfect ports we would have had.
Another video as entertaining as it is comprehensive.
Great investigation! Thanks!
Model 2 ports games on Saturn was the first reason i choose the sega 32 bits over the PS1
54:27 You're wrong about Scud Race not getting a home port. You can play it in the arcade of the Yakuza spinoff Judgement.
Motor Raid is in Judgment, not Scud Race.
great episode!
SEGA will always be my number one Both Arcade and Console company. 💙💙💙
there was a dreamcast port of virtua striker 2, it was pretty good for 99
One correction: Spikeout was released on the Xbox in the US as Spikeout: Battle Street. It was just a very small print run, but I got it from GameStop when it first came out and still have my copy.
That's a sequel, not a port.
GAME OVER YEAAAAHHHHH
33:52 It is rumoured that Sega lost the source code to the House Of The Dead 1 which is why it has never had a proper port / HD update.
i heard it happened with panzer dragoon saga too
Sega had crazy issues with HDD failures. Working Designs had to practically reprogram Magic Knight Rayearth because Sega of Japan gave them scraps of the original source code.
You heard right. Yuji Naka spilled his ramen on the hard discs.
Ah, 90's VR.
What gets me, aside from the retroactive realisation that the hardware simply wasn't there in the 90's, is why the attempts were so awkward.
Like, OK, the arcade systems make sense - both the headsets and the computers needed to power them would have been scarily expensive in the early 90's.
Side note, why we have VR now is a side effect of someone figuring out a MUCH cheaper way to make headset optics - As much as people complained about the $600+ VR headsets, what they don't seem to appreciate is that these are to a standard that even a decade earlier would have cost $10,000 to $100,000 for the headset alone. - The other major factor can be blamed on that whole motion control thing.
No, not the motion controllers used with VR, though they add a lot to the experience.
No, the ability to track the position and orientation of a VR headset accurately and with low latency.
Low latency head tracking is THE thing that makes VR work; It's not the stereoscopic stuff.
It's not modern 3d graphics (face it. VR would've been possible with wireframe 3d).
Nope. It's a thing called 'closing the loop', which is essentially the psychological consequences of having a screen strapped to your head where the virtual scene updates in time with your head movements.
Anyway, so... We'll ignore the arcare stuff for the moment.
But ask yourself this;
Why did Sega think it would be a good idea to make a VR headset for the Mega Drive of all things!?
And why...
WHY does the virtual boy have hardware powering that can't even do SuperFX level 3d graphics? Seriously?
You build a VR headset, and you can't even give it the ability to run the equivalent of Starfox?
It's pretty obvious that the sane thing for Nintendo to do at the time (which likely still would have failed, but would at least have made sense) would be to build a VR headset compatible with the nintendo 64.
That would've at least stood a change of having enough 3d performance to make the whole thing sort of work. (likely not though. You need high framerates and accurate, low latency tracking or all you end up with is nausea.)
So Sega tries to add VR to a 2d system.
Nintendo builds a 2d VR 'portable'' yet ignores the far more sane option of making it an add-on to a 3d system...
What WERE these companies thinking of!?
The biggest problem with virtua striker is the camera...wayy too close, you dont see where you pass, or if someone going to tackle you. but it for sure has its charm still.
I have watched a few of your videos and i enjoyed them a lot, But wonder have you covered the Sega Arcade R360 game cabinet? i was lucky enough to experience it in 1992 age 16 playing After burner 1 or was it 2 i cant fully remember but omg was it cool, it flipped every which way, to the movement portrayed on the screen, Even right upside down!!
I personally think VF3/tb is far better game than VF1 and VF2.
3 is the first VF to actually have well balanced roster.
Not to mention it's the most unique in the series.
Not only it is considered a high note in the series by Japanese fans but it's actually still being played at lot at Japanese arcades right now. "It's basically as popular as SFIII third strike at JP arcades"
Mikado arcade and a-cho arcade upload weekly tournaments livestreams on their youtube channels.
Don't get me wrong 1 and 2 are still great especially the arcade versions.
Virtua Striker is my guilty pleasure. When you score a goal that goes in off the post.... ooft amazing! Yeah its kinda shit but like I said - guilty pleasure.
Fang wasn't in Knuckles Chaotix.
The Lost World (model2?) - the best arcade shooter IMO. So many lost coins...
1:05:08 that bullet must have been made out of neutron star
Cracking video
Factual and emulation setup errors aside, it's fun to see all of these games in one video.
It’s a shame you think so lowly of Racing Hero but your enthusiasm for Star Wars Trilogy Arcade makes up for it. Still one of the best games ever made.
What’s best way to play all these games today?
I fear these will disappear from availability sooner or later.
I'm sorry, but I can't remember. To play model 1 all I need is to get a mame romset?
Great vid! But there's no state of Indianapolis. 😊
I'm guessing Kim's wheezing old PC isn't up to Naomi emulation!
Sega Rally 2 was fine in the arcade just the home port was meh but i loved it regardless
Very interesting you seemed to not get Top Skater or Water Ski to a control scheme you were comfortable with. Both feel perfectly fine to me just playing with a keyboard. Granted, i wouldn't have any experience with any smaller intricacies that come with playing on their og hardware that's lost through emulation. But as a newbie, both feel great just using arrow keys and the 2 buttons needed for tricks in both. I think they'd make for good ports on a standard controller, should Sega feel like preserving more of their arcade stuff to be played in modern day.
Also Sonic the Fighters is great and the larger Sonic cast is awesome, that critique for the series as a whole was always annoying. No shade to you specifically, just triggered memories of late 00's internet bullshit lol
Games look a little different than the arcade, the emulator seems to be using anti-aliasing, different filtering effects and things... The original arcades just didn't look as smooth and clear, somehow I would prefer those jadged edges and course looking textures, helps bring back those memories.
41:39 LMAO
The only reason Dynamite Cop is any good is because the enemies are so bad designed and turned out that ugly. I dont mind what they did, each one in that game deserves a beating.
Sonic fighters really aint that bad