An incredible piece of work you've created over this series...I can't imagine how much effort you've put into this. Brilliant, and if you decide to create more, I'd love to see it. On a side note, it's also a testament to Xu Xin's abilities that this video can be this long :P One of the most exciting players as of now...
I have indeed put some time into this. Not only because I want others to see it, but because I like rewatching them myself too xD Tbh I didn't expect to get several K's of views when I first released part 1. Who knows what the future brings. I was considering about an active penholders compilation. (Wong Chun Ting + He Zhi Wen + Yoshida + wang zeng yi + Xue Fei ++) But nothing any time soon. :v
Xu Xin, so much talent, incredible entertainment. Deserves much more focus. Fortunately this sport is still clean without corruption, unlike the other popular global sports. Many thanks to the compilation. We surely need more of these. Excellent research plus edit, bravo.
Excellent presentation. Adorable effort to edit tremendous highlights from those wonderful games from so many different sources. Never seen such brilliant work before. Hope this will show/prove table tennis as a serious sport. This clip is much appreciated.
5:07 that split second when both players thought "oh fuck it isn't over yet." The younger xu xin is more serious and vicious. But the older xu xin is more fun to watch.
@7:02 Shows table tennis is a very demanding and serious sport. However, it's so easy to learn but VERY HARD to master that a lot of people rather watch tennis and relax in the sun.
haha true, well I think Fan Zhendong almost fell because his shoes lost grip with the floor and in those rallies at this level, that's fatal. Xu Xin almost fell because his balance got a bit back-heavy while trying to return to the table.
Erbol Kh Exactly, The last of his kind, The very few penholders left are righties and they all play like shake handers. No one has and will ever have his unique style.
Wang Hao, Ryu, Wong Chun Ting, Kaii Yoshida, Ma Lin etcetc. I might do a penhold compilation at a later date. But probably won't do any more specific tributes. :p
Oh he will win the mens doubles, trust me. :) In Rio he can't win something he won't participate in, that is, unless Zhang Jike or Ma Long gets injured and unable to play.
Of course he will win the men's double. Xu Xin is fairly well known to be the best mens double player on Earth. Thumb up for this well made highlight ! Probably the best ever made on RUclips so far.
You did better ones in the past, but this Tribute was a mistake from start to end. I love Xu Xin, to me he's the Greatest TT Player ever - with only his soul-twin J-O Waldner at his side - who, despite his lack of discipline to train correctly to finally fix the few holes in his game (such as constantly leaving his FH opened and always forgetting to use his strong RPB on his BH, faults that cost him many sure titles), is a much more relevant player to lure the crowds into this game than most of the machine-like champions of recent years. But this Tribute is a mess, horrible, really badly edited, and you should redo it, asap. It's inconceivable that you rushed it so much when the intention is to show XX artistry's at the game. There are lots of points which demanded a slo-mo replay to a much better appreciation, but you simply rushed it into the next one, as if the best tribute would be the one having 495 shots crammed in 10 minutes or less. It is NOT. Not to mention the HORRIBLE choice of soundtrack, as NO copyright could be claimed based solely on the sound of a bouncing ball on the table. No excuses there. Also there's NO excuses for blinding your viewer with this TORTURING white or yellow flash on the transitions ALL the time, preventing us to see what's next for a solid second or so into the next (rushed!!!) clip, of which I always missed, as those were so short, with NO replay... All in all, this was a TRULY HURTFUL experience, nothing compared with what you've done before, which were excellent, and a dignified tribute to such a genius player. I hope you take these lines into consideration, and REDO it ASAP. Xu Xin & his admirers surely deserve it! Cheers!
I appreciate your thoughts, but I personally don't agree with everything you're putting to light. I am for the first., not an educated editor, these videos are basically my first three attempts at editing. So you shouldn't expect world-class editing from me. I think mistake from start to end was an exaggeration. Slow motions is probably something I should have added more of, so I'll take that to me for future videos (which is not going to be Xu Xin this time) I personally choose the soundtrack I thought was most fitting, so that one is very subjective. Although I plan to make two versions for videos in the future (with and without soundtracks) I genuinely don't believe it was much worse than what I did before, as it's done in pretty much the same manner.. Although 'artists' have their inspirational moments and less inspirational once, you can't always be at the top of your game even if you think you did a good job. + I didn't realize the flashes was problematic for some, I'll have to look into that. I was also only taking out points from the period I hadn't yet taken out points from, not older, which I did in the part 2. That was a deliberate choice. Probably also the reason it was not the most well-composed tribute. I also never used my own slow motions, I sought them out in videos and edited them in, so I gotta work out how to make those manually on my own first. xD But yeah. In your soul-twin abstract, I do think there are others who could be deemed a similar manner though, many others than Jan Ove Waldner who had an unstable game and had to develop ways to deal with their weakness, if you go back to that time (of JOW), he's just the best known. You could even make an abstract connection like that with a lot of lower ranked players at that time or even for ex. Stéphane Ouaiche, today. I'm aware he's at a lower level, but still, 2 times French national champion. (*cough* next tribute) So the abstracts I can't account much for, but I'll consider your technical feedback for future works. Thank you!
@@SomeRandomGuy777x Thanks for your feedback. Of most points on your reply, I should discard what would only amount to personal choice, regardless of the suffering that torturing ST could force us all to endure just to finish the viewing of such a nice compilation as these you've just shared with us. But your words about the GREATEST PLAYER of ALL TIME, the swede wonder Jan-Ove Waldner, are inexcusable. You're sorely mistaken there, my dear. I'm not with enough time now, nor am dutifully inspired to put it all to words, but that enormous Swedish talented kid simply shook the foundations of almighty China, and for the first time since they took the reins of TT and established their unequivocal World domination, they feared and trained specifically to defeat one single player, devoting all their talents to overcome that swede wonder kid who methodically destroyed their best in each and every opportunity. THAT in itself is not a small feat. Even with that tiny, tiny tradition, Sweden could bear into the realm of racquet sports, that was simply unexpected. We all know that Sweden was not a total stranger to these sports, with a legacy initiated back in the days when they won the WTTC Team's competition in 1963 over China (by a flimsy margin, but still), which later on culminated directly into the rising of the first Swede worldwide sport superstar, when the Tennis sensation Björn Borg came onto stardom, when he single-handedly swept Tennis World into submission, winning multiple times the most important titles on the European circuit. Such as the French Open (SIX times - a record only Nadal broke 31 years later...) and other 15 GP titles, and ending up winning the Tennis major tournament at Wimbledon an unheard-off FIVE times in a row - and not dropping a single set in his first championship! And always playing the WHOLE tournament, as opposed of what past consecutive winners did, when to defend their titles, while others were playing their hearts out, they simply rested and trained for the full 15 days of the tournament, only to come to play one time, in the Final. That was unprecedented, as never one had consistently won dominating a major that way in Tennis History, causing an uproar across the racquet planet, and turning Sweden into such a Tennis Meca that put the country in the Sports map for good. Especially worthy of note was also the impact he caused in his home country when he won a Table Tennis special out-of-style competition, showing that his talents knew no boundaries. That in itself combined with the international winning careers of Stellan Bengtsson, Kjell Johansson and those other great players in their generation, solidified TT's reputation in the minds of local youth, thus creating the correct circumstances for the next generation to appear. Even with all these historical precedents, nothing could prepare the TT world for what JOW would bring to the table, literally speaking. There are lots of videos available in YT. See for yourself. See how, in critical moments, JOW's amazing focus made him turning a lost game in his favor only by consistently serving to opponents unable to properly read his service. At that time, the Chinese TT's First Division alone had more players than the entire population of Sweden, and the CNT was the elite among their elite of most prepared players, devoted pros in a world full of mere semi-amateurs, who could barely make ends meet, financially speaking. But not for the Chinese. Those were very well rewarded athletes because TT was a direct source of State Propaganda, which never allowed the flow of resources to run dry. The very reason why usually the Chinese decided titles among themselves at every corner of the TT planet. They were unbeatable and got used to it. Now, imagine their shock when all of a sudden, JOW begin to repeatedly win over their elite, bringing unseen strokes to the game, sidespin answers to serves, unpredictable drop shots and change of pace and weight of the ball in the middle of rallies, plus surprising, unorthodox backhand strokes, repeatedly changing the attacks' side, to take advantage of the Chinese chronic extreme-sided positioning, an inheritance from when they only play penholder style, without an effective backhand (which they compensated with a strong FH and sharp footwork), etc. - all of which caught the Chinese players off-guard, over and over. It'd be many years before the CNT would be able to figure out JOW correctly, and effectively prepare another generation of players to train specifically to defeat him. This alone catapulted the TT game into the very next level, because the Chinese had to dramatically & urgently upgrade their game and themselves, in order to restore their lost world dominance, which they eventually did. So, this is how important JOW is to the TT's world - even, I'm sure of it, causing such an impression on the mind of so many young and talented players in China, that I could swear that the beloved and creative style from Ma Lin and Xu Xin came exactly from them observing JOW's methodical demolishing of their countrymen. Which never stopped the Chinese public to literally revere him, as anyone can see in that documentary "Jan-Ove Waldner - Det Evigt Gröna Trädet (2006)", shoot in China, where thousands of Chinese fans were in awe of him, and a huge crowd surrounded him so tightly that only with the help of Police force he could get to the stadium to play, an homage and tribute the Chinese public only reserved to praise their own players. Well, I'm sure you got the point, and I'll put a period in it, here. I just can't see how you ignore such historical facts about the GoAT, Jan-Ove Waldner. Hope it'll motivate you to rethink about his role in TT History. Cheers!
@@guyfromBR Gosh, that was a long read... I mean, I knew that JOW is considered the mozart of table tennis, and that he beyond all expectation, with creative new moves and a unique playing style continuously overcame the Chinese.(well to a point..) I was by no means criticizing JOWs skill level. I am also aware of tennis history concerning Bjorn Borg and Nadal (+Federer which I personally think is the JOW of tennis according to style and use of skill set). Although I'm not as interested in tennis personally. What I meant, when I was saying "you could make an abstract connection" was that playingstyle wise, there could be many similar to Xu Xin. Xu Xin and JOW has arguably very different playstyles. I meant there are other players with abstractly more similar player characteristics, then JOW to Xu Xin, Which also sadly never won a WTTC or Olympic title. Me mentioning Stephane Ouaiche was not skillbased, it was style based. I could compare my style at my horrible skill base to both Xu Xin and Ouaiche without being anywhere NEAR their skill level. Style with high Skill being consistency+tactical awareness. (so I was not belittling JOW) Also, you can argue JOW is the greatest player of all time, considering his time. But if JOW were to move forward in time, or any current players were to move back in time. We don't know what would happen. that's why I'm fairly not a fan of the "GoAT" title, as it will inherently be subjective on the basis of what argument you value more. "skillset within a certain time age" (ability to adapt at that point in time) vs "most solid skill set of all time" (best testified skillset ever seen) (you can make the same comparison in chess, Fischer vs Kasporov vs Magnus Carlsen today) at this point time JOW would have a much bigger challenge doing the same, due to 1. the ball is slower and bounce a tiny bit higher 2. his racket speed would be way slower and if he were to change it, it might have a negative impact on his game in terms of blocks 3. his deceptive serves would be less deceptive due hand deception being illegal. oh he might still have made it today, and changed up his game accordingly, but the thing is, we'll never know. unarguably, he was the greatest of his time and made a huge impact on the future of table tennis indeed. But GoAT indicates a timeless title. which I don't think any person within any sport would deserve in an 'objective fact-based' manner. As it is ultimately subjective. Rephrased "Greatest Impact of All time" I think JOW indeed would get it though. I would also lastly like to mention that I'm not an 'experience' 'history will repeat itself' 'look into my past for present indications' type of person. Of course, I put in the 'bare minimums' (otherwise I'd be a pretty messed up person) but it's not ultimately what makes the final say in my life or philosophies. It's not within my temperament to put ultimatums based on the past. I'm a possibility, ideological, hypothetical future based type of guy. Therefore history and the past for me, is not what I live for. Which I on the contrary imagine you to be, since you're very passionate about history. For me history is more like guidelines, indicators and fascinating stories to put perspectives into the spotlight. Where I'm more likely to look for a possible reason for history to change itself (like ex. if Germany did 'this' in Russia instead of what they did, things might have been different type of analogy), rather than using history as proof for something. Just saying this to shed light to our fundamental differences.
The most entertaining player to watch, by far
My favourite rally @12.11 overwhelms me every time. That's real table tennis.
An incredible piece of work you've created over this series...I can't imagine how much effort you've put into this. Brilliant, and if you decide to create more, I'd love to see it.
On a side note, it's also a testament to Xu Xin's abilities that this video can be this long :P One of the most exciting players as of now...
I have indeed put some time into this. Not only because I want others to see it, but because I like rewatching them myself too xD Tbh I didn't expect to get several K's of views when I first released part 1.
Who knows what the future brings. I was considering about an active penholders compilation. (Wong Chun Ting + He Zhi Wen + Yoshida + wang zeng yi + Xue Fei ++)
But nothing any time soon. :v
Xu Xin, so much talent, incredible entertainment. Deserves much more focus. Fortunately this sport is still clean without corruption, unlike the other popular global sports. Many thanks to the compilation. We surely need more of these. Excellent research plus edit, bravo.
Excellent presentation. Adorable effort to edit tremendous highlights from those wonderful games from so many different sources. Never seen such brilliant work before. Hope this will show/prove table tennis as a serious sport. This clip is much appreciated.
Glad you like it! :D
The most unique and talented player i think.
Xu Xin .. a joy to watch !!
Excellent work for a great player!!!
# Many Thanks!!!
and without you they would be vastly different. So Thank you! :D
Xu Xin is awesome.
He's my favorite player
+Mike F Your profile really reveals that m8 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
5:07 that split second when both players thought "oh fuck it isn't over yet." The younger xu xin is more serious and vicious. But the older xu xin is more fun to watch.
他在球場的迷人魅力 真是無法抗拒的精彩爽利！👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼💯💯💯
He has shown the world the power of penholder
12:12 best rally you could ever seen
Xu Xin is another level... GOD LEVEL
Kaizoku, I love your edition of XX. You fully understand his character.
Thanks, I appreciate that you think so!
我喜欢上打乒乓球就是因为镇上没有网球场，然而许昕让我知道了用乒乓球也能跑出网球的感觉！
秀儿
best rally at @12:12
12:11 Best Rally
10:42 amazing ..!!!
Even coach Liu was stunned.
Best hook shots ever
I love him
What a great player!
许昕......简直是神仙！
Xu Xin is so good!
0:33 xu xin was like "wut?"
好險許昕沒因為他那雙秀手選擇彈鋼琴 才能給我們創造那麼多乒乓驚奇 從他開始喜歡這運動
Ma long n xuxin forehand swing just amazing
Gratz on 420 subs bruther. Blaze it :D
I love Xu Xin!!!
@7:02 Shows table tennis is a very demanding and serious sport. However, it's so easy to learn but VERY HARD to master that a lot of people rather watch tennis and relax in the sun.
Fan Zhendong:why always me😂
Love this
阿蛇希望咱们东京见OwO See you in Tokyo2020！
The last words remind me a lot.
What was he saying in the last words
SWORD ART ONLINE INTRO
8:34 I focus on zhang jike
Look at that muscle
He's real artist for T.T
the point at 12:12 is amazing. who is he playing against there?
+Patrick Hicks Zhu Linfeng during the Chinese Super League
슈신은 현재 최고의 펜홀더
9:53 what happened to them, both of them almost fall down....
haha true, well I think Fan Zhendong almost fell because his shoes lost grip with the floor and in those rallies at this level, that's fatal.
Xu Xin almost fell because his balance got a bit back-heavy while trying to return to the table.
Earthshake
epic
左手的感觉加长期的磨练打造出的艺术风范，无人能出其右50年才出一位。
我家小胖好多次背景板了
😷
善凉 没事，还年轻！
I love xx
ㄱ ㄱ ⅞0
nice vedio. sadly xuxin didnt get chosen for mens single in rio olympics.....
I know :/ Or rather, found out 3-4 days ago.
Will be in doubles though.
出神入化的球艺
(Superb skills) Indeed! :D
SAO COFFEE SODA COFFEE SODA XD
7:40 songs?
Alan Walker - Spectre (Remix Broeging) :D
omg its epic
3:53 amazing
Nunca vi highlights com pontos do adversário do homenageado 😏
7:02 where can i find this match in good quality?
Tbh, it's from 2012, there is no recording with great quality, but I'd recommend this
ruclips.net/video/RxCHvc-IQY4/видео.html
Are you planning on making a new tribute to XX?
サムネのラバーの表面ヤバくね
ブースター使ってるからだろ
NICE VID
Last Mohican!!!!
Erbol Kh
Exactly, The last of his kind, The very few penholders left are righties and they all play like shake handers.
No one has and will ever have his unique style.
四大天王：龙队，许欣，藏獒，小胖
zhuoran lyu 许昕外号是大蟒 好像
後製太花俏了 看的畫面好亂
piàoliang
what game is it in 7.30? vs ma long
+AIMAN SAFIAN Ma Long V Xu Xin - Hungarian Open 2012 S/F!
faz vídeo sobre o ryu seeng min
Wang Hao, Ryu, Wong Chun Ting, Kaii Yoshida, Ma Lin etcetc.
I might do a penhold compilation at a later date. But probably won't do any more specific tributes. :p
Kaizoku ur wrong xu xin wont win in rio but he will win in tokyo
Oh he will win the mens doubles, trust me. :)
In Rio he can't win something he won't participate in, that is,
unless Zhang Jike or Ma Long gets injured and unable to play.
Of course he will win the men's double.
Xu Xin is fairly well known to be the best mens double player on Earth.
Thumb up for this well made highlight !
Probably the best ever made on RUclips so far.
牌子掉了能用手打么？
소아온 브금 ㅋㅋ
Tribute? Is Xu Xin retiring? LOL
Tribute; "an act, statement, or gift that is intended to show gratitude, respect, or admiration" Does not indicate they have to retire/be retired..
who won the game in 13:21
Ma Long V Xu Xin - Hungarian Open 2012 S/F
Ma Long won 11-9 last set. XX missed the flip kill :(
为啥樊正东当了这么多背景😂
因为这是要特出打球的美和艺，而不是一味器械式的反应和力量。天生打球的美感不一定会出现在世界第一的身上。而许昕却是凭着它吸引了全世界万千球迷的目光成为不能被忘怀的一代乒乓艺术家。今天的范可以场场赢许，但我爱看许昕打球比他多一千倍左右啦！所以许昕就是成功在这个上面，范拍马也追不上，因为这不是随便可以练回来的 “吸引力”！
sao?
Phillip Hang Sword Art Online. aka the intro music. (swordland)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx not bad...is he from china ? LOL
+Omi Tofo Obviously. :p
13:59 Guo Yan!
took long enough for someone to notice. :v
I did it slightly on purpose. xD
谦卑的态度叫人有上升的空间，为何这一位中国的顶尖球员做到了而中国却一点都做不到呢？
因为你这样的啥批太多
卓球陰者違目茶目茶格好良
Классная игра..... и ужасное музыкальное сопровождение!!!!!!!!!!!
樊振东是不是心里有阴影了🤣
范可以赢到所有的冠军奖牌，但许昕已经赢了我们所有人的心。我觉得后者才是球员最高价值之所在！
You did better ones in the past, but this Tribute was a mistake from start to end.
I love Xu Xin, to me he's the Greatest TT Player ever - with only his soul-twin J-O Waldner at his side - who, despite his lack of discipline to train correctly to finally fix the few holes in his game (such as constantly leaving his FH opened and always forgetting to use his strong RPB on his BH, faults that cost him many sure titles), is a much more relevant player to lure the crowds into this game than most of the machine-like champions of recent years. But this Tribute is a mess, horrible, really badly edited, and you should redo it, asap.
It's inconceivable that you rushed it so much when the intention is to show XX artistry's at the game. There are lots of points which demanded a slo-mo replay to a much better appreciation, but you simply rushed it into the next one, as if the best tribute would be the one having 495 shots crammed in 10 minutes or less. It is NOT.
Not to mention the HORRIBLE choice of soundtrack, as NO copyright could be claimed based solely on the sound of a bouncing ball on the table. No excuses there.
Also there's NO excuses for blinding your viewer with this TORTURING white or yellow flash on the transitions ALL the time, preventing us to see what's next for a solid second or so into the next (rushed!!!) clip, of which I always missed, as those were so short, with NO replay...
All in all, this was a TRULY HURTFUL experience, nothing compared with what you've done before, which were excellent, and a dignified tribute to such a genius player.
I hope you take these lines into consideration, and REDO it ASAP.
Xu Xin & his admirers surely deserve it!
Cheers!
I appreciate your thoughts, but I personally don't agree with everything you're putting to light. I am for the first., not an educated editor, these videos are basically my first three attempts at editing. So you shouldn't expect world-class editing from me. I think mistake from start to end was an exaggeration. Slow motions is probably something I should have added more of, so I'll take that to me for future videos (which is not going to be Xu Xin this time)
I personally choose the soundtrack I thought was most fitting, so that one is very subjective. Although I plan to make two versions for videos in the future (with and without soundtracks) I genuinely don't believe it was much worse than what I did before, as it's done in pretty much the same manner.. Although 'artists' have their inspirational moments and less inspirational once, you can't always be at the top of your game even if you think you did a good job. + I didn't realize the flashes was problematic for some, I'll have to look into that.
I was also only taking out points from the period I hadn't yet taken out points from, not older, which I did in the part 2. That was a deliberate choice. Probably also the reason it was not the most well-composed tribute. I also never used my own slow motions, I sought them out in videos and edited them in, so I gotta work out how to make those manually on my own first. xD But yeah.
In your soul-twin abstract, I do think there are others who could be deemed a similar manner though, many others than Jan Ove Waldner who had an unstable game and had to develop ways to deal with their weakness, if you go back to that time (of JOW), he's just the best known. You could even make an abstract connection like that with a lot of lower ranked players at that time or even for ex. Stéphane Ouaiche, today. I'm aware he's at a lower level, but still, 2 times French national champion. (*cough* next tribute)
So the abstracts I can't account much for, but I'll consider your technical feedback for future works.
Thank you!
My man needs a Snickers 🍫
@@SomeRandomGuy777x
Thanks for your feedback. Of most points on your reply, I should discard what would only amount to personal choice, regardless of the suffering that torturing ST could force us all to endure just to finish the viewing of such a nice compilation as these you've just shared with us. But your words about the GREATEST PLAYER of ALL TIME, the swede wonder Jan-Ove Waldner, are inexcusable. You're sorely mistaken there, my dear.
I'm not with enough time now, nor am dutifully inspired to put it all to words, but that enormous Swedish talented kid simply shook the foundations of almighty China, and for the first time since they took the reins of TT and established their unequivocal World domination, they feared and trained specifically to defeat one single player, devoting all their talents to overcome that swede wonder kid who methodically destroyed their best in each and every opportunity. THAT in itself is not a small feat.
Even with that tiny, tiny tradition, Sweden could bear into the realm of racquet sports, that was simply unexpected. We all know that Sweden was not a total stranger to these sports, with a legacy initiated back in the days when they won the WTTC Team's competition in 1963 over China (by a flimsy margin, but still), which later on culminated directly into the rising of the first Swede worldwide sport superstar, when the Tennis sensation Björn Borg came onto stardom, when he single-handedly swept Tennis World into submission, winning multiple times the most important titles on the European circuit. Such as the French Open (SIX times - a record only Nadal broke 31 years later...) and other 15 GP titles, and ending up winning the Tennis major tournament at Wimbledon an unheard-off FIVE times in a row - and not dropping a single set in his first championship! And always playing the WHOLE tournament, as opposed of what past consecutive winners did, when to defend their titles, while others were playing their hearts out, they simply rested and trained for the full 15 days of the tournament, only to come to play one time, in the Final.
That was unprecedented, as never one had consistently won dominating a major that way in Tennis History, causing an uproar across the racquet planet, and turning Sweden into such a Tennis Meca that put the country in the Sports map for good. Especially worthy of note was also the impact he caused in his home country when he won a Table Tennis special out-of-style competition, showing that his talents knew no boundaries.
That in itself combined with the international winning careers of Stellan Bengtsson, Kjell Johansson and those other great players in their generation, solidified TT's reputation in the minds of local youth, thus creating the correct circumstances for the next generation to appear. Even with all these historical precedents, nothing could prepare the TT world for what JOW would bring to the table, literally speaking.
There are lots of videos available in YT. See for yourself. See how, in critical moments, JOW's amazing focus made him turning a lost game in his favor only by consistently serving to opponents unable to properly read his service. At that time, the Chinese TT's First Division alone had more players than the entire population of Sweden, and the CNT was the elite among their elite of most prepared players, devoted pros in a world full of mere semi-amateurs, who could barely make ends meet, financially speaking. But not for the Chinese. Those were very well rewarded athletes because TT was a direct source of State Propaganda, which never allowed the flow of resources to run dry. The very reason why usually the Chinese decided titles among themselves at every corner of the TT planet. They were unbeatable and got used to it.
Now, imagine their shock when all of a sudden, JOW begin to repeatedly win over their elite, bringing unseen strokes to the game, sidespin answers to serves, unpredictable drop shots and change of pace and weight of the ball in the middle of rallies, plus surprising, unorthodox backhand strokes, repeatedly changing the attacks' side, to take advantage of the Chinese chronic extreme-sided positioning, an inheritance from when they only play penholder style, without an effective backhand (which they compensated with a strong FH and sharp footwork), etc. - all of which caught the Chinese players off-guard, over and over. It'd be many years before the CNT would be able to figure out JOW correctly, and effectively prepare another generation of players to train specifically to defeat him. This alone catapulted the TT game into the very next level, because the Chinese had to dramatically & urgently upgrade their game and themselves, in order to restore their lost world dominance, which they eventually did.
So, this is how important JOW is to the TT's world - even, I'm sure of it, causing such an impression on the mind of so many young and talented players in China, that I could swear that the beloved and creative style from Ma Lin and Xu Xin came exactly from them observing JOW's methodical demolishing of their countrymen. Which never stopped the Chinese public to literally revere him, as anyone can see in that documentary "Jan-Ove Waldner - Det Evigt Gröna Trädet (2006)", shoot in China, where thousands of Chinese fans were in awe of him, and a huge crowd surrounded him so tightly that only with the help of Police force he could get to the stadium to play, an homage and tribute the Chinese public only reserved to praise their own players.
Well, I'm sure you got the point, and I'll put a period in it, here.
I just can't see how you ignore such historical facts about the GoAT, Jan-Ove Waldner.
Hope it'll motivate you to rethink about his role in TT History.
Cheers!
@@guyfromBR Gosh, that was a long read... I mean, I knew that JOW is considered the mozart of table tennis, and that he beyond all expectation, with creative new moves and a unique playing style continuously overcame the Chinese.(well to a point..) I was by no means criticizing JOWs skill level. I am also aware of tennis history concerning Bjorn Borg and Nadal (+Federer which I personally think is the JOW of tennis according to style and use of skill set). Although I'm not as interested in tennis personally.
What I meant, when I was saying "you could make an abstract connection" was that playingstyle wise, there could be many similar to Xu Xin. Xu Xin and JOW has arguably very different playstyles. I meant there are other players with abstractly more similar player characteristics, then JOW to Xu Xin, Which also sadly never won a WTTC or Olympic title. Me mentioning Stephane Ouaiche was not skillbased, it was style based. I could compare my style at my horrible skill base to both Xu Xin and Ouaiche without being anywhere NEAR their skill level. Style with high Skill being consistency+tactical awareness. (so I was not belittling JOW)
Also, you can argue JOW is the greatest player of all time, considering his time.
But if JOW were to move forward in time, or any current players were to move back in time. We don't know what would happen. that's why I'm fairly not a fan of the "GoAT" title, as it will inherently be subjective on the basis of what argument you value more. "skillset within a certain time age" (ability to adapt at that point in time) vs "most solid skill set of all time" (best testified skillset ever seen) (you can make the same comparison in chess, Fischer vs Kasporov vs Magnus Carlsen today) at this point time JOW would have a much bigger challenge doing the same, due to 1. the ball is slower and bounce a tiny bit higher 2. his racket speed would be way slower and if he were to change it, it might have a negative impact on his game in terms of blocks 3. his deceptive serves would be less deceptive due hand deception being illegal.
oh he might still have made it today, and changed up his game accordingly, but the thing is, we'll never know. unarguably, he was the greatest of his time and made a huge impact on the future of table tennis indeed. But GoAT indicates a timeless title. which I don't think any person within any sport would deserve in an 'objective fact-based' manner. As it is ultimately subjective. Rephrased "Greatest Impact of All time" I think JOW indeed would get it though.
I would also lastly like to mention that I'm not an 'experience' 'history will repeat itself' 'look into my past for present indications' type of person. Of course, I put in the 'bare minimums' (otherwise I'd be a pretty messed up person) but it's not ultimately what makes the final say in my life or philosophies.
It's not within my temperament to put ultimatums based on the past. I'm a possibility, ideological, hypothetical future based type of guy. Therefore history and the past for me, is not what I live for. Which I on the contrary imagine you to be, since you're very passionate about history. For me history is more like guidelines, indicators and fascinating stories to put perspectives into the spotlight. Where I'm more likely to look for a possible reason for history to change itself (like ex. if Germany did 'this' in Russia instead of what they did, things might have been different type of analogy), rather than using history as proof for something.
Just saying this to shed light to our fundamental differences.
guyfromBR holy shit man get a fucking life