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MY 3 LUDWIG SUPRAPHONICS - COMPARISON VIDEO
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- Опубликовано: 11 янв 2021
- In this video I demo my three 6.5x14 Ludwig snares.
1- Black Galaxy Acrolite ( Blacrolite ) - customized with Imperial lugs, 1.6 mm hoops.
2 - 1968 LM402 Supraphonic - chrome over Ludalloy shell
3 - Early 1970's LM402 Supraphonic - chrome over brass shell
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The higher but deep tone of the last one took it by a mile
Awesome content
Number 3 for me. Thanks, George. Glad to see you're having fun with your new kit. Love your selection of wrap.
Thanks!
Nobody does it like you can George. Jason can't play as close to John as you do.
you got that right
That's the truth, right there.
It's such a shame they guys couldn't have found him for Unleaded and Walking Into Clarksdale. I think they would have been able to move forward, creatively.
FACTS DUDE 🔥🔥🔥
Thsts sooooo true
#3 favorite sounding. The chrome over brass has a certain "pop" that is very pleasing to my ear. Then the Blacrolite and finally the Ludalloy..thank you George.(you too Terry)
They all sound great with your tuning and of course your playing !
Merci beaucoup!
For my ears, nothing beats the 60s LM402 with the 1.6mm hoops. You have it tuned to perfection, George.
Thanks Sean, that is still my fav as well.
3 and 1 are quite similar sounding in terms of the crack of the drum; 2 is quite different. I'm partial to brass shells these days so I think 3 is the winner for me! (though the custom finish on 1 is really nice!)
I play with the Ludwig 18 strand wires. Love them!!
I liked number one a lot more than I thought I would. Very cool sound. All sound great.
Great information. All the snares sound great, but my choice is the second snare.
I prefer the 3rd snare. Not as much overtone as #2. But I think it all boils down to personal preference.
G Money I love the poor Tom !!!! Thanks brother there all AMAZING !!!
Awesome playing George. My faves are snare 1 & 3
I love the tone and caracter of the blacrolite!!! Even though it is the least expensive
At this tuning and especially for Bonham-esque playing...2, 3, 1. Thanks George.
wow! The 60's 402 is in such a good condition! Personally, I actually really like that 'blacrolite', it's quite dry sounding, very nice!
I'm new to your channel. I've always been fond of Slingerland and used them for years. Recently I became obsessed with Vintage Ludwig drums. Found a 70's ludwig classic on Reverb which I haven't received yet. 3 months ago I went to Guitar Center and played and listened to both chrome over Aluminum and the chrome over brass and fell in love with the LM 402. I vote for your Vintage LM 402 I think it sounds the best. Thank you so much for your channel. I have learned so much about my all time favorite drummer and your videos are teaching me how to play Bonham licks and chops. I aspire to play as well as you do someday. I appreciate you and what you share to so many of us !
They all sound great!
Number 3 was my favorite. Optic wise the blue and olive badges were always my favorite too. The snap of that drum even with the thrashed head is amazing
Fludey! great vid man.
The first one, Blackcrylite, has some interesting overtones, in a good spacey way, you know, cool harmonically.
My 1975 Supra and Smokey Vistalights still going strong
Thanks for sharing these drums! They all sound awesome.
Upon careful listening I have a preference for snare number two. Smokin!
3 great snares. Interestingly I gig with a 5in Blackrolite with my Black sparkle classic maple kit. I also have a black beauty, but prefer the blackrolite. I wish U coykd send a pic as thr kits look so similar.
Of your 3 snares, I think the 68 Supra the rim shots cut through, and the rolls sound clearer. Not a lot of difference between them. I tend use my BB at pubs and smaller gigs. Ambassador heads but 25 strand snares.
Terry's 2As do a grand job. Thanks for going to the trouble of doing these video's. Fantastic playing. Stay safe take care ! Iori ... 🥁👍🏴🏴🏴🥁🥁😀👍
Thanks ! The Ludwig black sparkle finish is very similar, but this one is glass so it reflects the light more.
@@BONHAMOLOGY Hi George, I very quickly knocked this up to fb my black sparkle kit and snare to show the similarity, plus a couple of pics at the end. Pics and audio at a gig last February. My daughter is on vocals - enjoy !
Good luck with Pfoz!!!!
Link below :
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Another great video, George! All three sound great. My preference is #3. As always, thanks so much.
They all sound great! My preference is COB . I own 5 ×14 reissue super Ludwig COB early 90's.
They all sounded great, but I really loved #2. # 3 was a 2nd close favorite.
I’m answering my own questions as I watch. I first noticed u use vintage costed ambassador on the black galaxy and a vintage coated emperor on the ‘68 402, which tells me u chose the lighter, more resonant head on the painted drum to compensate some lack of resonance. And of course, the VC emperor on the chromed shell. I get it. That’s useful info. Ty!❤️😎
Yes sir! Although, I recently switched to using a standard Emperor on the snare, because I found the consistency of the Vintage to be too poor. They are often too dead
Great video. It would be interesting to hear St. Tristain's groove on all 3 snares
Drums all sound great. Ive read articles and seen interviews with former techs that state he pretty much used the 402. Even scratched the surface to check. Nice demo
Always great to hear your knowledge of kits. Think you could probably play a wash tub and sound better than most. Sticks look great. Unfortunately the postage to the UK is a lottery jackpot. Keep up the videos maestro. 👌👍
Definitely the chrome over brass Supra. Something about brass and being Ludwig is magical. I love that sound. But aside from that your older luddy is my next choice.
All sound great.. I love the 402..
I liked the blacrolite best. But the 3rd sounded exeptionally good & close to Bonham's. Nice sticks; Terry must be beaming.
That chrome over brass is an amazing drum! I always use the 42 strand wires on my 5x14 Black Beauty .. they work well on Supraphonics snares! Great video George!
Thanks Earl, I think they actually make the drum feel better too
I take Door number 2, it has a sparkle, a lively sound that to my ear is spot on to Bonham's tuning. The 3 was a nice heavier and flatter sound. The 1st drum was nice a little muted. But really all amazing snare drums.
Thanks Brad, I think the old Supra (2) is my fav also.
Wow! The COB has the best sounding rimshot imo. Super heavy
Hi George I think your playing is exceptional and right on the button has Bonhams feel!
I love all three drums but for me the 70’s 402 with the 30 strand wires sounds the more authentic drum! If that drum was alloy and not brass it would sound spot on to Bonhams drum and even though drum no 2 sounded great tuning I think drum 3 wins ( tonally )
I had 42 strand on my 402 for a while but recently changed them for 18 strand wires and now you can hear the tone of the shell. I think Bonham mostly used 18 or 20 strand wires anyway. Love watching your videos George .... the best Bonham drummer I have seen!
Cheers
Thanks. Bonham pretty used a 42 wire snare exclusively.
@@BONHAMOLOGY hi George I don’t agree I’ve seen photos of Bonhams snare especially from MSG ‘73. His wires look either 18 or 20 strand. You can hear on certain recordings his 402 sounds more open and he would at times use the tone control to sound a little dryer. I think he mostly used 42’s on the ‘77 USA tour. But just making a point of what I’ve seen, heard and researched. I think Jason Bonham is great but you’re better! It’s about the feel and you have it 😍🥁🥁
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@@mcTOOSH1 Hmm, I can't recall ever seeing a pic that definitively looked like less than a 42 ....even in 70-73. Thanks very much for the compliments. If you have some pics that you think clearly show a smaller set of wires , let me know.
@@mcTOOSH1 snares sound nice!
3 sounded best but I think it's because of the smaller snare wires letting the drum breathe. In my experience Supras always sound better as open a possible. I even put 2 ply clear batters on mine... One ply when I'm feeling nutty. Great video!
Love the gear videos...Keep it up George!
Love watching your videos and hearing your drums! I am glad to say that I am an owner of a 14 x 6.5 black beauty and a 14 x 5 aluminum supraphonic myself but no blackrolite yet. Man to get a drum from Terry would just be the beez neez. Keep em coming!!
I like all of them, the muffler in #1 is quite pronounced though. I which I had a drum room, haven't played anything but a pad in a long time!
Coming across this late, but I just pulled the trigger on a LM402 and I can’t wait to play it!
I see the appeal of the COB, it has the ring but Ludalloy just hits the sweet spot 👍🏻
They all sound great but my order of preference is 3, 1, 2. I like that little bit of darker ping the COB has.
I personally like all 3 for different reasons + it helps that your a very competent drummer who can make most any drum sound swell.
Appreciate that, thanks!
Man that COB CUTS!!
Love them all but the last 6 1/2 had the attack, tone, and ring I prefer most in a snare.
very nice indeed.
Like the dry and articulate warm low/bright crack you get from that blackrolite. Also dig the dark and wetter and slightly crispier sound of the 70s Chrome over Brass. The snare from 1968 sounds like its tuned to Led Zeppelin perfection. Cheers :)
Thanks Tyler
@@BONHAMOLOGY Your Welcome man!! :)
Hey George!
I just watched this again and they all sound great, the Blackcrylite is warm, I couldn’t hear the nice overtones of the ‘68, which to me is the brightest, very nice, but the ~mid 70’s Ludalloy is warmer and pops nice and seemed to blend with the kick and toms the best.
Take care…✌🏼
The 402 all the way George! The only other snare for me that comes close is a Black Beauty. All your snares sound great though tbh.
I like the 3rd snare.
great.job man
The blackrolite sounds nice! And it looks nice with your kit. Little dryer sound. Im always partial to the lm402 tho. Switch them out to fit the song your playing at the time? They all sound really nice. I think canopus wires sound really good also
Thanks Mark, that's definitely my thoughts....variety is the spice. 😁👍🏻
GREAT video George! Well, well, well. It was between the BGA and the 1968 for sure. After going back and forth and back and forth and listening to it. I am going with the BGA. Why? It has a "depth" to it's sound that is not quite there with the 1968. But yet, it has a Black Beauty feel to it, but not as "dark" either. If you go back and listening to the album/CD version of "The Ocean" I would say it sounds like your 1968. However, if you go back and listen to the "Working Mix" version of "The Ocean" to me, it sounds like the BGA. Just my .02. Great drumming too George!
I'm a fan of the 68. More open than the cob 1970 or so. I do like the cob though too.
60s Ludalloy sounds the best to me - although I might feel differently in another room. They are all great sounding !
They are all great. Brass all the way though ;)
Thanks George
Old faithful. Great snare for recording. Tuned a bit low, like you said. The brass ones tuned lower are particularly nice. Any brass snare actually. Brass is brass.
I love your tutorials and learnd a lot of Bomham drumming from your videos. My problem is my foot technique. It would be great if you could explain and show in details and slowly how you do it and how to develop it. Keep on rockin
Thanks, I did a couple foot videos, but it's a little hard to explain my technique. Have you checked them out?
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@@BONHAMOLOGY Thanks for your quick response..Yes, I have seen them, but as you play very quick, I had my problems to figure out, what you are playing. Now I played the videos halftime tempo and it seems to me, that you play a kind of heel toe technique, where you hit the pedal the first time with the middle of your feet, cause you hold your foot a little square to the pedal.And the second hit is with the ball of your foot. Do you have some exercises to develop this?
Gotta say, I'm partial to the acro, being that I currently play a black galaxy from the early 80's, but honestly the chrome over brass just brings something different that I'm really digging.
Yes, I agree. Its nice to have a different flavor sometimes
@@BONHAMOLOGY Junior Kimbrough ‘Leave her alone’ you’ve gotta listen to the drums on this blues number. I don’t know if you’d be into it, but your drums sound and ability would sound murderous on that track. Just saying. Love your vids dudenheimer
Great content! I can't find any mention of it now but am i right in saying you have a canopus baseball bat tone control installed on the '68 402…?
number 3
If I could make any snare or any drum sound the way that you can I'd be very happy. But to answer your question George, all three snares sound fantastic and each has it's place and should be used as you think appropriate. (love to watch you play IMTOD)
Thanks Trev
I'm opting for the first snare....seems a little cleaner and more defined
Many people dodnt know this but back in the 70s Ludwig made their own heads and they were harder than remo heads and did color the sound quite a bit. I think Evans heads may be closer in sound to old Ludwig heads if you cant find any NOS.
Blacrolite for Poor Tom, '68 for most other things.
Good observation, on the the album, it does have a drier sound.
@@BONHAMOLOGY It was funny actually. I thought, "this sounds like Coda... maybe Poor Tom" and literally a couple of seconds later you start playing Poor Tom :)
@@Pandamasque 😄
Very nice demo! I like the 2nd best. Propably because you really swung on that one and that’s the thing, right?
They all sound great but that COB sounded the most like Bonham to me
#2 here😎
Well, aren't all Ludwig suprafonic shells made of aluminum and not brass as mentioned in the clip. Greetings to the masters, you are excellent.
It would be cool to get Terry to sign that Blackrolite. So in a hundred years…..
😄👍🏻
je suis pas un expert mais je trouve le numero 3 approprié pour les track ,le son est fidele au studio ,pour moi
Ciao Giorge...complimenti!!!
Sai mi piacciono un sacco i tuoi video e il tuo modo di suonare...e anche le tue Ludwig.!💪
Dico il 2...poi il 3...entrambi ottimi.!
Scusa che piatti hai usato nel video?
Grazie..sei fortissimo!💪👍
#3
NICE!:)
Hey George, you're one of the only guys I know of that could help me here, but last year I bought a keystone 60s 402 and when it arrived, I was getting this feeling that it was a newer snare.
The badge indicated it was from 66 I think, but there was no ink stamp inside the shell - do you have any tips for figuring out if this thing is in fact from the 60s, other than the badge and stamp?
The strainer and butt plate should not look new of course, unless they were replaced. Also, does it have a mufflers? If it's from 66 it should most likely have a baseball bat type muffler, maybe a round knob.
Hey George what do you think of the Legacy kit? I'm trying to decide between a vintage Ludwig or a Legacy kit.
I love it. It's a bit brighter than the vintage 3 ply kits I have .
If I had to choose, I'd pick the last snare drum. It sounds similar to my Pearl CS 1405 snare drum. Anyways they all sound great. Surprised George you don't have a Black Beauty? That'll be the only other snare drum I'll add to my arsenal. Later George
Thanks, yeah I've thought about copping one over the years but never did it.
Really interesting video, especially with the inclusion of the COB, which I'm kinda fascinated about. I've a '69 Rogers COB Dynasonic which feels fantastic under the stick and you feel through your whole body when you're playing it. While sat on the stool I much prefer it to my Supraphonic, which I really feel comes into its own when heard from a distance away and mic'd up. I'm interested in your thoughts on how these feel under the stick and how they feel as you play them through your body as well as how they sound live to an audience and what difference there may be (if any)??
I think I'm so used to the Supra that I just really love the feel. I would love to play a Dynasonic again and see if I can feel that way about it. I do think the Supra really is at its best at a distance.
Number 2 for me
iplAy allmy supraphonicswith 12 srand wires they sing freely that way for me
Great showcase for each drum. They are equally pleasing to the ear, but I have to go with the '68. Ive played brass Supras in the past and I'm currently trying out a CopperPhonic. However, I will always go back to the Aluminum Supras. You just cant beat the versatility hands down. I'm curious about your '68. It appeared that it has some red replacement washers or threaded sleeves for some of the lugs. Am I far off? Thanks!
Hey Jason. Yes, I have been using a couple red Canopus lug lock type things but frankly they don't work that well. The t rods still slip, just takes them longer.
I like the last one . Hey George thinking of getting a new set of Paiste cymbals , which will be my first set of Paiste. I'm thinking 2002 or 602 Modern Essentials . Any thoughts on the 2 and which Paiste line is your favorite? Thanks in advance.
Hey Jeff,
I like the new 602's a lot. I also like newer 2002's but I think in some ways the 602's are more refined. But they are B20 so if you're really going to bash them , keep in mind they are more fragile.
i like the 68 the best
I like all three,but fthefirst two sound a. Bit dry the 40 +snare wires seem to choke them off,the last one has better resontating nite,ifeel tgey would all sound great with 12 strand wires,it will let them breathe a lot more
They sound great! was the brass drum tuned a little higher? seemed brighter to me.
Maybe just a bit, but I tried to match the tone of them.
@@BONHAMOLOGY that would make sense. so, brass wins with rebound.
Could you do a cymbal collection video ? I’ve seen some Istanbul’s in ur set up on occasion. Interested to see what else u have.
I plan to do that, yes. Thanks.
A for auxiliary.
B for band.
Just in case anyone was wondering
vintage ambassadors are 2 ply? i thought they were just a thicker 1 ply.
Two ply....unless they recently changed them
I thought acrolites were only 8 lugs. Did they make a 10 lug version?
Possibly the edge to #3 over #1. #2 sounds tired like it really does need new heads.
Hey George, great content as always. Random question, how long is the L mount for your ride cymbal? Having a hard time finding the specs of what Bonzo used. I'm looking to get one installed on the bass drum of my green sparkle kit.
George. What kind of tension do you have on your Camco pedal? Just bought one and i can't find a comfortable tension.
Its on the medium loose side, not very tight
Number 3
# 3 !
Would you ever do some Neil Peart lessons ?
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