Why are Pilots afraid of ATC? Flying IFR with a Controller to find out! - Mooney M20J - VLOG

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  • Опубликовано: 10 янв 2025

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  • @kefka19111
    @kefka19111 8 лет назад +510

    Here is a rhyme to help,
    75 - My passenger wants to drive
    76 - The radio needs a fix
    77 - We're all going to heaven

    • @octaviovaladaoferreirinhad2689
      @octaviovaladaoferreirinhad2689 8 лет назад +2

      Jonathan Rooks I am going to share this with everybody I know!

    • @DNHarris
      @DNHarris 8 лет назад +17

      Don't forget:
      70 - We're in Europe, oh no! (or We're in Europe, doh!)

    • @chudy183
      @chudy183 8 лет назад +13

      75 - man with knife ;)

    • @IrLosin
      @IrLosin 7 лет назад +6

      69 - I went down like a swine.

    • @colinknab3850
      @colinknab3850 7 лет назад +27

      75- Bin ladins inside

  • @Borel-nv5bq
    @Borel-nv5bq 8 лет назад +1069

    speaking for myself, it's the fear of sounding like an idiot over the radio

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 лет назад +79

      Haha - agreed :) You get better over time, and when you're current. I've had a few brain fart moments when I was lacking in "ATC recency"

    • @Borel-nv5bq
      @Borel-nv5bq 8 лет назад +26

      FlightChops as a student with a little more than 10 hours I've had a few brain fart moments haha. Great vid btw

    • @averagejoepilot6201
      @averagejoepilot6201 8 лет назад +1

      Borel 2016 agreed.... most definitely

    • @Ohdub1
      @Ohdub1 8 лет назад +41

      The only way to learn is by doing it. Just remember, if you make a mistake, you're not the first person to ever make it and you won't be the last.

    • @WhiteLinesBlueSkies
      @WhiteLinesBlueSkies 8 лет назад +16

      I was lucky enough to have a towered field as my training field. I feel much more comfortable talking with ATC and coming into a towered field than working near uncontrolled fields.

  • @steveo1kinevo
    @steveo1kinevo 8 лет назад +571

    Great Vid! Here is how I remember the squawk codes. "75 taken alive, 76 technical glitch, 77 going to heaven." When you say it you will hear how it rhymes.

    • @peterellison2220
      @peterellison2220 8 лет назад +6

      steveo1kinevo Excellent! Have you ever had to squawk one of those codes?

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 лет назад +63

      THANK YOU! it was driving me crazy trying to remember that rhyme - I'd heard it years ago and it didn't stick :)

    • @davidaranguren108
      @davidaranguren108 8 лет назад +3

      steveo1kinevo See you in every video

    • @Behemoth29
      @Behemoth29 8 лет назад +31

      I was always taught: 75 - men with knives, 76 - radio fix, 77 - going to heaven. But whatever works

    • @austinbflying8001
      @austinbflying8001 8 лет назад +4

      Do you have a good one for 7777?

  • @TrampConnoisseur
    @TrampConnoisseur Год назад +3

    As a student pilot, i can say what has helped me with nerves and talking to atc is just reminding myself that pilots and atc are on the same team in order to keep everyone safe and to keep flying fun and organized.

  • @GreyGhost-r4z
    @GreyGhost-r4z 6 лет назад +142

    When I was flying DC9's, the NY Center told us to turn 30 degrees left for "Noise Abatement". We were at FL280. Usually Controllers tell you to turn for "Noise Abatement" down low like 2000 feet above the ground over some noise sensitive area for people on the ground. I remember looking at the Captain with a funny look, like "We are at Flight Level 280 (28,000 feet)... Then the Controller said I turned you left 30 degrees for traffic at your altitude. Yes... See Controllers DO have a sense of humor. If we had not turned there would have been a big noise of 2 aircraft colliding at FL280. LOL.

    • @davidf2244
      @davidf2244 5 лет назад +2

      That's very funny xD

    • @paulstimpson830
      @paulstimpson830 2 года назад +2

      ...followed by a very loud noise on the ground shortly after

  • @hopeistheanthem24
    @hopeistheanthem24 7 лет назад +1

    I used to be petrified to go into a class delta.. now I love it... they even tell you what runway to land..winds.. and there is an ATIS! Much better than approaching an uncontrolled airport.

  • @BaronPilot
    @BaronPilot 8 лет назад +181

    The look on your face when he called the controller by his name to cancel IFR was priceless. I wonder if he even realized he did that?

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 лет назад +42

      Haha - I know, right?

    • @volo455
      @volo455 7 лет назад +28

      10:41 haha

    • @ml3487
      @ml3487 6 лет назад +16

      John Gault Are you okay sweetheart? Did you have a bad day?

    • @michaelnorth2055
      @michaelnorth2055 6 лет назад +2

      John Gault bow down to the atc rulers boii

    • @chrismast2790
      @chrismast2790 5 лет назад +2

      As a non pilot.. I wish I knew what you meant by this. Well over my head...

  • @Aviation101
    @Aviation101 7 лет назад +141

    VERY informative. Lots of pilots need to watch this. I feel really fortunate that I learned to fly out of a Class C airport. Because of that, ATC has always been "normal" to me, and uncontrolled ops scared me early on. I took my Dad to Fort Worth Center to get a tour and talk to controllers, and I think it really eased his apprehension. Good video Steve.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 лет назад +4

      Thanks Josh!

    • @pattmahiney
      @pattmahiney 3 года назад +1

      Yeah, there was a lot of little stuff packed in here that I wasn't expecting. Good stuff.

  • @fermiticus4034
    @fermiticus4034 6 лет назад +204

    7500 = "cheat code" for military escort!

    • @Ron.Swanson.
      @Ron.Swanson. 5 лет назад +7

      75 guns and knives

    • @thisisyourboss
      @thisisyourboss 5 лет назад +1

      😂😂

    • @ChaplainDaveSparks
      @ChaplainDaveSparks 5 лет назад +8

      I remember a video where ATC suspected a hijacking, so they actually *INSTRUCTED* the pilot "Squawk 7-5-0-0", figuring they'd comply if under duress, otherwise question it.

  • @HalfStarFilms
    @HalfStarFilms 8 лет назад +233

    The hardest part of flying is talking to the controller. They seem like good people, I just suck at speaking with them and jotting down what they say.

    • @joerag6077
      @joerag6077 6 лет назад +46

      We kinda pride ourselves on spitting out lotsa info in one transmission. Its a useful skill when it gets busy but i understand that it can get a bit over the top. I'm often impressed by readbacks of things I have said but i just figure pilots are good at that stuff. I wouldent blame em for a "say again" though.

    • @turkosaurus165
      @turkosaurus165 5 лет назад +36

      @@joerag6077 The fear makes us write quickly.

    • @CautionRiah
      @CautionRiah 5 лет назад +3

      Half Star Films They say everything so fast!!!

    • @Thaillus
      @Thaillus 5 лет назад +1

      @@joerag6077 ⁶⁶yhi yuh iou up iui

    • @SchrottiJr
      @SchrottiJr 5 лет назад +4

      @@joerag6077 I have no problem asking, I also have no problem giving you the same shit back. It´s more than once happened to me that I had to repeat a readback, because I was too fast for ATC. ;)
      Keeping it short doesn´t mean read it as fast as you can.

  • @ninerocks
    @ninerocks 8 лет назад +144

    Always wanted to learn to fly but I must admit all the ATC interaction is very intimidating!

    • @WIRRUZZZ
      @WIRRUZZZ 8 лет назад +23

      Do it anyways!
      I've been flying gliders for half my life now and talked to ATC exactly once. And even if you go a different route and talk to them more often, a lot of other people learned to do so before you ;)
      Flying is absolutely worth it and you're missing out!

    • @GreyGhost-r4z
      @GreyGhost-r4z 6 лет назад +12

      It IS intimidating at first. Once you understand the airspace and what is required in each area of airspace and spend your life talking with Controllers it becomes easier. I spent 15,000 flight hours flying Turboprops and Jets, and after a while you get use to it, because you know WHAT to expect.

    • @GreyGhost-r4z
      @GreyGhost-r4z 6 лет назад

      WIRRUZZZ this is GREAT advice.

    • @GreyGhost-r4z
      @GreyGhost-r4z 6 лет назад

      It’s probably the name “Controller” that scares people. I mean, who wants a “Controller” in their life 😉
      But seriously, Controllers are there to serve as a lookout for all the traffic occupying the space. They keep traffic separated and keep safe distances between aircraft and other ground vehicles. They are there to protect the airspace. As a pilot you participate in that quest by letting them help you. As a professional pilot you respect them for doing a difficult job and they treat you with respect also. But, everybody makes mistakes, it’s human nature. Knowing what you need and what to expect from the controller in different airspaces takes the fear out of your interaction with them.
      Once in a while tempers flare like with Newark ground controllers or Clearance delivery people. You can hear some pretty funny stuff in stressful busy times in crappy weather lol, I have heard some interesting exchanges from the ground controllers in LaGuardia. There is plenty of pressure in LaGuardia. It’s an airport built on a dock on top of a garbage dump. I’d be pissed if I had to work there too 😆

    • @LennyCooley117
      @LennyCooley117 6 лет назад +3

      ATC here with only a few years of experience under my belt before doing it ATC is scared of talking to pilots for mostly the same reason.

  • @chainsaw737m
    @chainsaw737m 7 лет назад +10

    I have 2800 hours and due to my new job at an airline, I'm a "student pilot" on the radio again being based out of Chicago O'hare. The biggest factor I am adjusting to is capturing a long, fast taxi clearance, referencing it on the map and reading it back. I have 6 trips from there now and it is getting easier as I learn what to expect.

  • @gabrielvazquez1691
    @gabrielvazquez1691 5 лет назад +9

    Thank you for doing a video like this. Talking to ATC was one of my biggest obstacles I had when I initiated my pilot training. Very rare to see a video with this kind of insight. I wish I had seen this video back in those days. That also goes to all of your videos.
    Really appreciate the dedication you put into your craft, it's inspiring and I think I can say that along with the rest of the aviation community.

  • @FlightChops
    @FlightChops  8 лет назад +80

    It's great to see how much engagement this one is getting!
    Please share any questions you'd like to see addressed when we do the next one with Stephen; we're hoping to do a second chapter - another IFR flight, planning to land at YYZ, and hopefully filming the interviews at the actual terminal facility in Toronto.

    • @DNHarris
      @DNHarris 8 лет назад

      Where did the chops go?! Been a bit since I last saw a video.

    • @Tony-gz6bi
      @Tony-gz6bi 8 лет назад +1

      FlightChops this video was great! I would love to be apart of a team that makes educational videos like this! Loved the graphics from cloudahoy and all the useful information in this.

    • @DrewLSsix
      @DrewLSsix 8 лет назад

      Daniel Harris i believe he whacked them off this past no-shave-november.

    • @billbobaggins5309
      @billbobaggins5309 6 лет назад

      hey, guys looking for a pilot to assist with some smuggling south of the border for a gold mining operation - does anyone know anyone interested ??

    • @mjphillips76
      @mjphillips76 6 лет назад

      @@billbobaggins5309 hahahaha

  • @MikeKobb
    @MikeKobb 8 лет назад +46

    Boy, please feel free to do as many videos with Stephen as you want to. Really excellent, And very clear explanations.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 лет назад +10

      +Mike Kobb - Roger that - more stuff with Stephen is planned :)

    • @MikeKobb
      @MikeKobb 8 лет назад +4

      ***** w00t!

  • @enotdetcelfer
    @enotdetcelfer 5 лет назад +2

    The info about the *mentality* of communicating, and then getting to watch it in actual correspondence was so helpful. Plus the audio was so clear. This was great

  • @Steenos
    @Steenos 8 лет назад +48

    I'm a controller in the US at a Class Charlie Tower/Approach. Also a pilot getting close to my instrument rating. I don't have as much experience as Stephen does but everything he said I agree with. When i call up on the pilots side I say "Approach Cessna 951JA with a VFR Request" Then I wait patiently.
    I Wish more controllers were pilots and also wish more pilots would take the time to get with an organization like EAA or AOPA and try to set up a tour to visit the controllers and understand each other better. We are not out to get you. We are here to help.
    Great stuff sir!

    • @schnitzelmopi
      @schnitzelmopi 8 лет назад +7

      100% agree. I was a USAF Class D tower controller, but am in pilot training now. I had my instrument rating prior to leave the ATC world. Having a view of both sides of the spectrum was super beneficial.
      We held an annual event called "Scare a controller" around Halloween where a lot of the GA pilots around the area would take up a few controllers and show them around the airspace from the air. It would amazingly beneficial and one of the coolest things I've experience while working in aviation. It was also an open forum and a direct dialogue between pilot and controller. We also let the pilots come and check out our RAPCON (tracon) and see what the radar rats were dealing with.
      As a controller I saw a lot of GA dudes skirts the delta across the approach corridor right at GS intercept altitude. It pays to be familiar with the airspace and airfields in the area you frequent.

    • @gbigsangle3044
      @gbigsangle3044 7 лет назад +3

      I have heard and done it both ways. CFIs and other pilots I fly with insist on a first call that includes direction of flight, altitude (at and climbing to), distance to field and intent. Near my home Class Charlie field the TRACON guys want just aircraft make (Cirrus, Cessna) and tail number on the first call, wait, then respond. Near Vegas, for example Nellis Approach (coming from the North) wants the full call with heading, altitude, and intent. I tend to make the calls as short as possible if the frequency is busy (as a guide) if not, then give more info on each call as needed.

    • @lants8096
      @lants8096 6 лет назад

      Nothing but respect for you my friend thanks for the work you do

  • @marcinsudo1100
    @marcinsudo1100 8 лет назад +23

    Good little trick for the transponder codes: 75- taken alive (hijack 7500), 76- technical glitch (comms 7600), 77- going to heaven (emergency 7700)

    • @MarkFetters
      @MarkFetters 8 лет назад +3

      Or Hi Jack, I cant talk right now, I have an emergency.

    • @schnitzelmopi
      @schnitzelmopi 8 лет назад +1

      I remembered it by High 5!

  • @Cryptonat
    @Cryptonat 8 лет назад +140

    I'm not even a pilot and I enjoyed this.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 лет назад +5

      awesome! :)

    • @abnermills3453
      @abnermills3453 6 лет назад

      Same

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  5 лет назад +2

      I am happy to hear that non pilots watch and enjoy the content, but this channel does target the aviation demographic, and that is in fact where most of the views do come from.

  • @justinsimpson2335
    @justinsimpson2335 8 лет назад +13

    I'm a controller and VFR pilot. Helps so much to know both sides of the mic! Great video!

  • @av8rdav
    @av8rdav 5 лет назад +3

    I love talking to ATC. I've never been denied a request. Whether it's Class B clearance or Class C or D communication establishment, flight following, I have a blast talking with them.

  • @durrellhorst22
    @durrellhorst22 8 лет назад +1

    Just used flight following for the first time a couple weeks ago through Toronto airspace. My first long cross country since becoming a private pilot last year . Thanks to all the controllers that treated me like a pro . Thanks for the great video Steve!

  • @roblowery9076
    @roblowery9076 8 лет назад +15

    I'm a ex pilot and Airport fire fighter, this makes me miss it so much

  • @xstell132
    @xstell132 7 лет назад +1

    As a future student pilot this video is actually very comforting. The thing i am most worried about when I start training is radio communication. It's nice to see that people in ATC and others realize that it's a lot of peoples worry too.

  • @ImBradCrites
    @ImBradCrites 7 лет назад +6

    As a person just starting out, it's interesting to hear how an ATC as a pilot handles situations.

  • @liamworrow5303
    @liamworrow5303 7 лет назад

    I like how calm and collected the p.i.c is when talking to atm and this really and this really shows good airmanship.

  • @paulm5197
    @paulm5197 8 лет назад +7

    My instrument instructor loved to throw curves at me, like covering certain instruments at critical times or playing with the flaps control during landings. I loved him for it; he made me a better and more confident pilot. Anybody can learn procedures under perfect conditions, but learning to adapt to imperfect conditions teaches volumes. Thank you, Doug Niester!

  • @flyifri
    @flyifri 8 лет назад

    In only 100 years. What an amazing feat of human ingenuity, to have such a system of separation in place. Got a love IFR. A special thanks to all the engineers who make flying possible.

  • @AidansAviationAdventures
    @AidansAviationAdventures 8 лет назад +22

    I learned to fly at EIKN in Ireland , not a busy airport and then I trained under the JFK Bravo at KFRG . the way I got up to speed on the comms part was to listen to liveATC every chance I got . Now I,ve no problem working in the system and sometimes I,ll even try to sound like the Airline guys .!!!!. I think every student should have liveATC in their bookmarks ... Great video .. kepp up the good work .

  • @MJLeger-yj1ww
    @MJLeger-yj1ww 6 лет назад +2

    It's usually only fairly new or in experienced pilots who are afraid of ATC. But we have to trust them for aircraft separation, that's their job, and they are very busy (depending on the time of day and the airport). If a pilot is unsure, never be afraid to ask clarification of instructions. ATC may sound impatient, but if you are a new pilot and tell them so, they will be more patient with you. It takes good attitudes, trust and cooperation on both ends of the scope. Being nice is never wrong! If an ATC is curt, it can cause errors. Pilots must be sure of doing what it right or it spells trouble.

  • @MrLikeke
    @MrLikeke 8 лет назад +5

    As a FAA examiner once passed on to me: 'Never let anyone at any time do anything to jeopardize the safety of your flight.' That anyone could be your passengers or it could be ATC. Or it could even be you if you were to think about it. Just last night I was reading about a pilot who took 3 pax with him to the final by and by. Same old song but with a new twist, he missed the control lock in place because it was installed backward in his C-172 and it was obscured by the yoke mounted Ipad. Obviously that wasn't causative but it was a significant contributive factor. Y'all be safe out there. We haven't left one up there yet.

  • @ww_scott7635
    @ww_scott7635 7 лет назад

    I know that I have trouble talking with controllers, this video really showed the justice behind learning how to speak clearly and crisply and to also not be afraid of these guys.

  • @craig6603
    @craig6603 8 лет назад +66

    75 "Taken Alive"
    76 "Radio needs fixed"
    77 "Going to heaven"

    • @BaronPilot
      @BaronPilot 8 лет назад +1

      That's awesome!! Never heard that before!

    • @JAKjordanfilms
      @JAKjordanfilms 8 лет назад +14

      I always heard "76 can't talk to these d**ks"

    • @burnhard.
      @burnhard. 6 лет назад +1

      76 Falling like bricks :D
      Is 76 only for communicational limitations, or is there any other malfunction that would render 7600 the correct squawk, while not being qualified for a 7700 code?

    • @thetomgamerboi6817
      @thetomgamerboi6817 6 лет назад +1

      75, man with a knife

    • @thetomgamerboi6817
      @thetomgamerboi6817 6 лет назад

      77 FALLING from heaven

  • @TheMYmindproductions
    @TheMYmindproductions 7 лет назад +1

    Excellent perspective, I remember having a conversation with a veteran radar operator, totally changed the way I communicated with ATC.

  • @ikem.vanmeter1254
    @ikem.vanmeter1254 7 лет назад +4

    The big thing, in my way of thinking, is that many pilots feel intimidated by the rapid fire pace of the controller's, as well as professional pilot's, radio exchanges. Additionally, GA aircraft are much more noisy than most aircraft flown by professional aircrews, so the pressure to get it right... THE FIRST TIME... is high. My best investment was in a Bose noice cancelling headset which, even in our noisy club C-172, greatly enhances my ability to hear clearly. Another equally important thing that GA pilots can do is make sure that they are familiar with correct radio procedure and nomenclature. Usually the shortest, clearest explanation of who, where and what works the best and there is specific phraseology for almost every situation that can be learned ahead of time.

  • @asokoniso
    @asokoniso 8 лет назад

    Boy was that a lot of insight for one whole video... I can't thank enough for clearing countless issues for so many of us out there trying to figure out how to approach the controllers with the right messages at the right tones.

  • @walltransport
    @walltransport 8 лет назад +3

    Great video! I was taught from early on to contact ATC. I'm so glad to have that extra set of eyes to keep me safe, especially when flying along the shoreline through the downtown corridor. Keep up the great videos!

  • @bziiuuum
    @bziiuuum 7 лет назад

    Well, as an ATC and a pilot myself I find your thoughts and comments really making the point. Controllers do not bite, they are there to help you. But it should be stressed out, that the more knowledge pilot has and more is he prepared for a particular flight, the more he can benefit from cooperation with ATC.

  • @synterlu
    @synterlu 5 лет назад +100

    *învites ATC into plane*
    *forgets to update charts*

  • @lants8096
    @lants8096 6 лет назад

    Nothing but respect for air traffic controllers. They’ve helped me out before(as a young mechanic taxiing airlines from the gate to a hard stand and then eventually as a new pilot) it’s true they are not here to screw you. Their biggest thing they want us to understand is if your not sure just ask, don’t just “do”. They can and will coach you every step of the of the way.

  • @torquaymouse2236
    @torquaymouse2236 8 лет назад +23

    interesting to hear about flying from a controlers point of view.

  • @michaeljohn8905
    @michaeljohn8905 5 лет назад

    So good to see a controller who is also a pilot. Cross training is extremely important. I really enjoy just listening to ATC live and anything that has to do with aviation training. I would love to go up into a tower to train for a day. I feel that anything that has to do with aviation training will help me to be a better pilot and or controller.

  • @avinaashmohanlal-lythgoe4508
    @avinaashmohanlal-lythgoe4508 7 лет назад +4

    My instructor just put me straight into the deep end and had me do all the radio stuff from the start

  • @hsnmd2324
    @hsnmd2324 2 года назад

    English is my second language. Being able to understand both the language and the radio language is very difficult for a pilot. This is one of the most helpful videos I've ever seen. there is no reward for your help with this video. I'm so grateful.

  • @AV8R_1
    @AV8R_1 8 лет назад +6

    I like that you included some info about using ATC when doing "airwork" ... I often fly sightseeing flights, either for myself or family, which means meandering around the sky aimlessly with lots of turns and altitude changes.. I have had controllers drop me from flight following because I wasn't flying a predictable route. They were clearly annoyed.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 лет назад +1

      Did you let the controllers know your intentions before you started meandering? because then what yo were doing would not have been un predictable. Anyway, regardless, yes, VFR flight following is "work load permitting" so maybe thy just couldn't continue to fit you in.

    • @gbigsangle3044
      @gbigsangle3044 7 лет назад

      If flying VFR you should tell the controllers (on the ground before takeoff) or in the air on first contact what you are going to do (air work near location x, sightseeing over area x, short flight to destination and return) if you are not going cross country. That way they can plan to cut you loose or hang on to you dependent on traffic. Sometimes they will hang on to you even if you are just 'fooling around' so they know you are monitoring and they can give you traffic separation warnings and cite you as a traffic problem for others.

  • @CamViesky
    @CamViesky Год назад +1

    1:25 man idk what it was about this visual reference, but you've earned my sub. I fly in Moncton NB and train in towered airspace, I am used to it but I can understand the pressures of flying into controlled airspace especially if you are used to uncontrolled class G airpace

  • @ifly7777
    @ifly7777 8 лет назад +86

    LOL. I am already stressed with Vatsim ATC

    • @fryphillipj560
      @fryphillipj560 8 лет назад

      Ifly 777 what is atc?

    • @realulli
      @realulli 8 лет назад +1

      ATC == Air Traffic Control

    • @PilotPlater
      @PilotPlater 8 лет назад +28

      to be fair, vatsim controllers can be dicks.
      Not all of them of course, one of their controllers in Toronto over a decade ago showed me how to fly a circuit and some atc lingo that newbie-me didn't know, but then when I came back to vatsim as a licenced pilot I got treated like an idiot.

    • @danmack3173
      @danmack3173 8 лет назад

      Ifly 777 same

    • @realulli
      @realulli 8 лет назад

      I know at least one licensed pilot who is on Vatsim, but on the side of the controllers. So, those explanations might have come from a RL CFI...

  • @HazardousT0ast
    @HazardousT0ast 7 лет назад +1

    As a student pilot, ATC can still be a bit challenging to understand. This, and your other videos have given me a lot of practice- just listening to the chatter and how you interpret instructions. Thanks a lot!

  • @michaelcorey9910
    @michaelcorey9910 6 лет назад +3

    Absolutely love this channel. I start flight school next august. I'll be going all the way from private to commercial and CFI. Watching these videos and doing research on all of the nomenclature, techniques, and other discussions are really helping me get a bit of a head start on my schooling.

  • @ichhasseamerika
    @ichhasseamerika 5 лет назад +1

    Newbie here, just starting out w flying, but I learned so much, I think I learned so many lessons that could come into play much later. plus its just facinating. :) thank you so much guys .

  • @sailhavasu
    @sailhavasu 8 лет назад +11

    Love it, Love it, Love it! Thanks for another real world realistic video. Working on my IFR and got a TON out of this one!

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 лет назад +3

      Right on! We're happy to share!

  • @Aerosnapper
    @Aerosnapper 8 лет назад +2

    Another great video from FlightChops. So good to see something in Canadian airspace. Big thank you to Stephen the controller, who gave of his time, knowledge and AvGas.

  • @pbbrown1963
    @pbbrown1963 8 лет назад +3

    Good refresher with a controller. Thanks, Steve. Another good video!

  • @KPFlyer96
    @KPFlyer96 7 лет назад

    I learned about your videos on the Finer Points podcast. My wife and spent our rainy Sunday morning watching a few. This one with the ATC Controller flying was excellent! You have a real gift to make entertaining and informative contributions to our community. Thanks so much.

  • @THENATIGAMERTRAVELS
    @THENATIGAMERTRAVELS 8 лет назад +6

    I was engaged in this video to the very end and always intrigued by the flight process. Loved the dual prospective of a pilot / controller. Would love to see more insights from him. Thanks for the content and great work!

  • @rynetreatch9558
    @rynetreatch9558 7 лет назад +2

    Like every other pilot I was intimidated by talking on the radio when I started my private training. I learned how to fly at KCOS which is a Class C airport. One of the biggest things that got me over that initial intimidation was taking a trip to the control tower and getting to meet a lot of the controllers and see the inside of Springs Approach/Departure and spend time up in the tower. Getting to see the operation and put names and faces to voices on the other side of the radio helps me see communication as a conversation with another person. I highly recommend anyone who has the opportunity to do the same.

    • @stacase
      @stacase 4 года назад

      Mike at our little non-busy class D field gave a tour to a small group. Very nice understandable young man and as soon as he clicked the mic everythingthatcameoutofhismouthwasruntogetheratdoublehisnormaltalkingspeed.
      Low hour pilots can't do anything about it, most of them do it, we just have to ask them to repeat.

  • @richardlevy8699
    @richardlevy8699 8 лет назад +4

    Awesome job on this. I think more emphasis in flight school and currency updates should be put on communication. After all, communicate is part of our cycle of activities between engine start and shutdown. Radio checks must be taken more seriously than a curt five by five on passing by the mic. Turning on and making sure the coms work properly in places like Burlington is as important as making sure the wings are still glued on to the fuselage in the pre flight. Going to rent a plane which has questionable coms can make a pilot wish he'd stayed home all year! If coms are questionable and we are already up in the air we must stay ... Clear of heavy traffic routes.

    • @richardlevy8699
      @richardlevy8699 8 лет назад

      No, I don't know what is 5x5. Must have been flying with me head up my kiester all these years.

  • @71TFFC
    @71TFFC 4 года назад +1

    To those saying they are intimidated by ATC....
    Speak to ATC in a calm, normal voice....speed both in speech as well as listening comprehension will come I PROMISE.
    There are normally only three things you need convey when reaching out initially whether on the ground or airborne:
    1) Who you are....aircraft type and full registration number.
    2) Where you are...general area is fine.
    3) What you need.....ATC is there to help!
    Don't be shy about asking for slower instructions from ATC...think of it as a progressive taxi request.

    • @stacase
      @stacase 4 года назад

      Exactly.

  • @goatflieg
    @goatflieg 8 лет назад +5

    The flip-flop on Stephen Newman's titles was a nice editing touch... made me laugh. On a completely different note, watching this and any/all other IFR training videos make me feel like I'm SO-not-really a pilot. Someday...

  • @mikesamerica
    @mikesamerica 7 лет назад

    For me, it was balancing the radio communication while managing the airplane. Creating a flow with the radios (like a before landing flow) helped a tremendous amount. We typically do not think of the radios when we think of CRM (cockpit resource management) but they are an important "system within a system" that we should integrate into our every flight flow. I fly out of KAUN and recently, I was beginning my complex endorsement training in an arrow and we flew over to San Francisco's Bravo airspace. My primary obstacle was simply remembering to breathe in the midst of listening to all the traffic. The flight went smooth, was beautiful, and I was able to get cleared into the bravo while flying over the Golden Gate Bridge. Quite the memory.

  • @joelbuhr2087
    @joelbuhr2087 7 лет назад +4

    ATC/Pilot provides a very unique angle.

  • @mytech6779
    @mytech6779 5 лет назад +1

    Biggest stumbles for me are filtering out what is and is not needed in the read-back, and writing down the numbers accurately without excess delay to my read-back. Really hard to simulate for practice and since I am located under a class B (constrained between mountains and with lots of IMC) real practice can get overwhelming pretty quick.

  • @trystanclark1001
    @trystanclark1001 8 лет назад +4

    Us pilot's should always remember that "Controllers (ATC) are always here to help ask questions they will give you there best answer"

    • @sighahnyde2215
      @sighahnyde2215 8 лет назад +4

      its a service, its our job to ensure a pilots safety but we wont know you need help if you don't ask. Don't worry about asking too much we don't judge - or if we do, you won't know about it ;)

    • @rokape77
      @rokape77 8 лет назад

      Your job is to assist (on the odd occasion) a pilot maintain aircraft safety and to be a traffic cop in busy airspace. You can judge pilots all you like, hope they won't judge when you make your mistakes...

  • @DominikNeumayr
    @DominikNeumayr 7 лет назад

    I try to take notes whenever possible. Makes readbacks easier and in stressful situations you don't forget what you have to do

  • @jameshunter1016
    @jameshunter1016 8 лет назад +3

    I love these kinds of videos! Happy Thanksgiving, I'm sure thankful for your videos

  • @GeraldWayneEllison
    @GeraldWayneEllison 5 лет назад +1

    I'm not a pilot but love watching the video. I thought it was cool to hear the controller say to call out the tail number and wait for a responce. Also, it's nice to see a video like this before I would take flying lessons. I love seeing youtube videos because I can see where things are complicated and having some background that relates may be (is) important. I'm less intimidated by it now.

  • @jrdeckard3317
    @jrdeckard3317 6 лет назад +18

    Whenever I have a problem with a controller, I start speaking broken Russian. Slows them down, and they fear making a mistake.

  • @bembrin
    @bembrin 7 лет назад

    I grew up flying an Aeronca Champ with no radio so have always felt a little deficient when it comes to radio. It's great to have access to so much content these days where I can listen to radio communication to get the feel for it again.

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 8 лет назад +5

    My dad was IFR qualified for as long as I can remember. I've never heard of him being afraid of ATC. I've heard stories about other pilots being forgotten, like a guy over Stockton, Ca at 4000' in the clouds beaning told to fly east, then left on that heading long enough for him to worry about the mountains, but I've never heard of them being scared of ATC.
    Nice Moony by the way.

  • @5128goldenrod
    @5128goldenrod 8 лет назад

    This was awesome, controller dude....like a normal guy.....talking to a controller....,also like the reminder about PIC determining what he and the plane are capable of doing...which changes based on all the factors at play, incliding the I'M SAFE checklist!

  • @KuraIthys
    @KuraIthys 8 лет назад +3

    haha. Here I am getting training in an aircraft where 100-110 knots is the top speed, and a typical landing final approach speed is 48 knots...
    Then again we do train7ng at a non-towered field and aren't allowed in controlled airspace anyway.
    But I honestly wouldn't know what to think being told 'keep your speed up'. XD

    • @bjdreyfuss9811
      @bjdreyfuss9811 7 лет назад

      Hi Kuralthys,Decades ago I, too, learned to fly at a uncontrolled (non-towered) field. One of my flight instructor's admonition has stuck with me:At an uncontrolled field, which is the active runway?At an uncontrolled field, all the runways are active!!!!!

    • @mpladd
      @mpladd 6 лет назад

      Interesting. Perhaps you aren't in the US for your training, but FAA requires landings at a towered airport for you to get your private. In the US you MUST go into controlled airspace.

  • @briander43
    @briander43 7 лет назад

    I did a tour of the ATC facilities here in ABQ and learned a lot. This video reinforced what I learned. My biggest annoyance is the slow talker who doesn't have in mind what they want to say and "...ah..." hold "...aaah..." the mic key "....waaa..." while they talk. Or, the guy that says "...with you at...". I'm still new, and the longer I have between flights the worse I get at communication. Nice video!

  • @battmann678
    @battmann678 8 лет назад +4

    Nice one! There's no such thing as too much "face to face" communications between controllers and pilots.

    • @joerag6077
      @joerag6077 6 лет назад

      Seriously! It seems like the two never want to interact too much. Just something like saying "unable" because your not comfortable is such great advice. Controllers are only familiar with flying characteristics and pilot work loads for the A/C they work in most cases. There's no way they can be experts in every type of plane they'll encounter. It's on the pilot to tell a controller if something can't be done safely due to wieght, conditions, or even skill. That's the kinda thing every controller would be happy to stress to pilots. Tell me unable! Don't risk it for a biscuit.

  • @brysonblack9481
    @brysonblack9481 7 лет назад

    I like the advice "sometimes there isn't a technical term for what you want to do." I've tried to be more clear and concise, using plain language after watching this. It has helped me to not stumble over my radio calls so much!

  • @mayjet1
    @mayjet1 8 лет назад +3

    Let's see more of that Mooney!

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 лет назад

      +Matthew May - planning on it. :)

  • @adamnewton5075
    @adamnewton5075 5 лет назад

    Just wow! I have never flown a day in my life but this clip hit home hard. Im astounded of the disconnect between GA and commercial education of safety principles. What you guys are doing is amazing. Wish you all the best.

  • @ZicajosProductions
    @ZicajosProductions 8 лет назад +6

    WHY WAS I NOT SUBSCRIBED to this channel?
    I subbed.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 лет назад +3

      +Joe N. - right on thanks! New video every 2nd Friday, and Enjoy the back catalog of ~100 videos now!

    • @ZicajosProductions
      @ZicajosProductions 8 лет назад +1

      ***** Thank you!

  • @nbk6418
    @nbk6418 7 лет назад

    I had on experience where I could have been written up but the ATC decided to let me off with a warning. As a student pilot I was scared crapless but I'm very thankful how they decided to handle it. Definitely gained a new respect for them. Great video!!

  • @tonyfdesign
    @tonyfdesign 8 лет назад +43

    Hi Jack! --- sorry, can't talk --- I'm having an emergency.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 лет назад +4

      Haha - awesome! - between that one and Steveo's Rhyme, I think I'm finally good to go with remembering those codes :)

    • @stephensmith1034
      @stephensmith1034 5 лет назад

      Lol! Good one!

  • @wendellthorne4998
    @wendellthorne4998 7 лет назад +1

    Truthfully very comfortable flying with ATC. Bad radio work is usually confined to either too much or too little comms.

  • @traingaming3240
    @traingaming3240 4 года назад +4

    For me if somebody (like atc) talks to fast I will forget some of it and ask atc to say it slower and I kinda feel bad they have to repeat themselves.

  • @1Gaumer
    @1Gaumer 8 лет назад

    I ran into the keeping the speed up issue in IMC after a rough night of sleep last week. I feel more confident after watching this telling the controller I can't maintain a speed. Thanks man!

  • @gmontoy153a
    @gmontoy153a 8 лет назад +6

    "Thirty O seven", "Four thousand for five thousand" ....... Some of the ways on how I don't recommend pilots to respond on the radio. O is a letter not a number, and "for" can be confused with the number "four".

    • @bennylofgren3208
      @bennylofgren3208 8 лет назад

      What is a better phrase instead of for? "Climbing to"? Or just "to" perhaps?

    • @kurtisf3366
      @kurtisf3366 8 лет назад +2

      gmontoy153a It's nit picking like this that make some apprehensive about talking to ATC. The guy in the video is a controller and clearly knows how he needs to communicate with ATC. We don't need to be perfect with ATC, if they get confused they'll verify. So many people don't talk to ATC for fear of saying something the wrong way.

    • @12WhiteBoy26
      @12WhiteBoy26 8 лет назад +4

      I try to say "four thousand CLIMBING five thousand" or "five thousand DESCENDING four thousand." TO and FOR both sound like numbers but I would agree with the other commenter on this thread that most of the time controllers understand perfectly fine either way and that nit picking can be counter-productive. With that said I do like to try to be intentional about how I say things in order to make it as easy as possible for ATC to understand.

    • @Ca-ks4vd
      @Ca-ks4vd 8 лет назад

      yeah i go with the one threethousand climbing FL210 etc or descending one two thousand... thats lot better thand using FOR or TO

    • @HavenEmperor
      @HavenEmperor 8 лет назад

      sometime at work when using radio.. i would accidentally say in quick manner like 'Door 1-oh-4 is ready to go' when it should be Door 104. off the point... sorry. move along guys.

  • @jth1699
    @jth1699 4 года назад +1

    I learned to fly in Arlington Texas- when DFW was in what they called a TCA - you had to stay just around the 635 loop to be outside the TCA and below 3000 feet. It was like learning to fly in a dogfight .. Arlington was a stones throw of grand prairie and navy Dallas- then red bird was close if going east... so my instructor wanted me to fly into Love Field in a Cessna 152. After being vectored for a straight in approach the following communications took place .. .. Controller .. 48 bravo maintain 130 knots .. Me .. 48 bravo wont fly 130 knots... Controler -- be advised traffic on your right ... at which point a Southwest 737 from Houston flew right past me ... it was an interesting flight mixing all the different speeds trying to get to the same runway...

  • @FunPlacesToFly
    @FunPlacesToFly 8 лет назад +3

    Excellent video! Very helpful.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 лет назад +1

      +FunPlacesToFly.com - thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @ChaplainDaveSparks
    @ChaplainDaveSparks 5 лет назад +1

    BTW, I remember reading somewhere that when going NORDO, you should initially squawk 7700 initially, to get attention, then switch to 7600.
    Also, with an inoperative transponder, fly a triangular 🔺 pattern to make yourself noticed on the radar display ... or so I "read somewhere".

  • @jve89
    @jve89 5 лет назад +5

    Wow, this guy looks just like Tim Cook!

  • @acekng1
    @acekng1 7 лет назад +1

    Starting my PPL in a month and am loving these videos. Thanks!

  • @BLU_AV8R
    @BLU_AV8R 8 лет назад +3

    Me: "Van Nuys Tower, Helicopter 699PH northwest corner, reque..."
    ATC: "UNABLE! 👿"

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 лет назад +1

      +1BA AV8R - haha. Only hick up with that story is how did they interrupt you, if you were transmitting, thus owning the frequency? But I hear what you are saying, they did not have time for a request at that moment and it can be frustrating to face that.

    • @BLU_AV8R
      @BLU_AV8R 8 лет назад

      FlightChops lol I was joking but I understand their (ATC's) frustration level which is why I try to be as helpful on frequency when possible.

  • @oliverclaus70
    @oliverclaus70 8 лет назад

    Great video! ATC is always a great help, in my opinion. There will always be an occasionally annoyed person in your interactions with people , whether flying or in life, but having ATC help has never been regretted IMO.

  • @GreyMaulkin
    @GreyMaulkin 8 лет назад +5

    what does "sterile cockpit" mean? you mentioned it in regards to the final approach. Also, what version of ipads are you guys using?

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 лет назад +8

      +GreyMaulkin sterile cockpit means minimal talking and only discussing things that are directly related to the task at hand. I use an iPad mini4, not sure about Stephen.

  • @trickysean
    @trickysean 7 лет назад

    I've only flown with a private pilot friend of mine a few times and I'm amazed how easily he is able to communicate with ATC. I'm right there listening next to him and have a hard time following along with what's going on. It's got to take a ton of training to be able to just work the radio.

  • @maxpf
    @maxpf 6 лет назад +4

    why is he eating his mic though :D

  • @alanhughes9075
    @alanhughes9075 7 лет назад +1

    Great episode. As an aspiring pilot its great to watch videos like these to help with situations I've never thought of the any traffic scenario before so thats a good tip for me

  • @xwhels
    @xwhels 8 лет назад +5

    I am a pilot i've never seen a pilot who is afraid of atc ?! They can get us in trouble and we can too

  • @jegerdesign1964
    @jegerdesign1964 7 лет назад

    This was so helpful. As a new IFR pilot I have made the mistake of not asking questions. Really liked this video.

  • @ryanm.191
    @ryanm.191 8 лет назад +5

    Dunno about you, but I am shit scared of the atc at my airfield. They're almost as ruthless as the lot in Frankfurt. They don't tolerate any mistakes and if you don't call back within 3 seconds perfectly *you are fucked*

    • @goodenough4399
      @goodenough4399 7 лет назад

      Ryan M. KDAB?

    • @srestharakesh2174
      @srestharakesh2174 7 лет назад

      Ryan M. Are there any stories on Frankfurt? Seems pretty specific

    • @ryanm.191
      @ryanm.191 7 лет назад

      Johnny Kush not that I have experienced but what I heard. A British airways b747 went nose to nose with another aircraft and the ground went insane. And no one wanted to say anything or make a mistake which might irate them any more. And apparently they were really mad and said that the plane can expect to sit for half an hour on taxiway before given instructions that need to be followed perfectly

  • @durwoodhibbard9312
    @durwoodhibbard9312 7 лет назад

    In the process of learning and have been watching many videos and also flying on a sim it still feels overwhelming but it is getting easier with practice. It is good to know they are there to help not get upset at us.

  • @nitehawk86
    @nitehawk86 8 лет назад +3

    Oh, TETOS. I thought you were saying "TIto's." Like it was Tito's waypoint.

    • @kamico2007
      @kamico2007 8 лет назад +4

      I understood cheetos... lol

  • @SApilot11123
    @SApilot11123 8 лет назад +2

    Flying here in South Africa, I often fly international and I always get asked to " fly best speeds" or "keep the speed up", in a 206 this is challenging, apart from in a decent. Also as an Instructor, I've seen how this can flood a pilot's concentration with focus on speed, when focus should be on the procedure and approach to land. I understand faster airline traffic prompts ATC to prompt GA or slower GA traffic to "fly best speeds". But to a pilot they can feel under pressure to "push the airplane" engine rpm etc to fly best speeds, things like turbulence and wind also limit speed.
    A better prompt from ATC should be "Can you fly best indicated?" or "what is your current indicated?". This puts a pilot and ATC under less stress because of communication where both the pilot and ATC know the limitation or performance of the aircraft in the given situation and allows better planning and co-ordination from both parties.