I feel like the purpose behind many of the precons isn't as much focused on playability or power out of the box, but sort of like a springboard for people brewing in commander, giving the player a deck to say "hey this is kinda what a commander deck might look like"
I have an Atraxa infect deck and it's one of my strongest commander decks. The value you get when making it creature-centric and then speeding up the killing process with infect is insane.
I but atraxa to be voltron and it worked very well especially proflierating Jitte counters. Thing is, people forget that Atraxa is a 4/4 flying, lifelink, vigilance, death touch for 4. Removinng her proliferate, she is still a beast.
Great list man and agree with your picks, these really are the best precons going and can't wait to see what we'll get this year. Thinking of taking apart the Stalwart Unity and Open Hostility decks to use towards a Zacama deck I'm building, might be for the best and dinosaurs will be played way more than those two decks ever did, hopefully I don't regret it.
Just want to start out by saying that I really enjoy your videos and keep up the good work. I have to say I agree with your list for the most part but I would put meren over atraxa. I feel both are powerful but meren is better out of the box and has better secondary commander options in my opnion. Great video and keep making awesome content!
One of the most playable precons that was surprising in its power I have bought and played was Swell the Host. Its ability to quickly go wide, or stay narrow and powerful is pretty awesome for a precon.
My group of card playing friends are pretty much 100% Commander. We now have 25+ decks we all play at random with each other. Most of them are built from scratch or heavily tweaked pre-cons, with one exception: Teferi, Temporal Archmage. We found this pre-con was so OP it doesn't need tweaking. The games almost always end up being everyone vs this deck. It keeps everyone down and still wins while doing it. Maybe its just my personal experience with it, and I still cant even explain how its, but my opinion Teferi is beyond OP the best pre-con ever made. It has a perfect balance unlike any other pre-con. I'm a little disappointed it never even made a mention, it should be #1 miles ahead of every other deck, and we have played them all.... or maybe its just a fluke experience among our group....
Power Hungry was the first preconstructed commander deck I got. During the winter after the 2013 release the prices were crazy on Amazon. Power Hungry and Eternal Bargain were the cheapest (crazy, right?) at about $20 off setting Mind Seize and Evasive Maneuvers at $70 and $50 respectively. I haven't modified it, focusing my deck building on my Experiment Kraj deck, but I have collected at least one deck from each release to use out of the box with friends. For the first few I went with the cheapest option, with my finding a sealed Political Puppets for $70, then Peer through Time for $20 and then Call the Spirits for $28. I then got Open Hostility and Draconic Domination as gifts. I look forward to whatever I get from this years release though I hope I get Subjective Reality.
wizards looks for new ways to get around edh ruling, next year, after the success test on transform, they will make double sided commanders that you can choose which side you play.
To your point about these precons not being focused, I think that's because precons are meant to be frameworks upon which to build in a direction. You buy it, play it, find the strategies you like to play, and refine it in those directions. It gives you options, and whilst you're likely to gut a quarter to a third of the cards, long term, you still have a fairly coherent commander deck, that you can play decently well, in the meantime.
Guided By Nature was half of my Ezuri Renegade Leader deck in a box. I bought it to buff my Ezuri deck, but ended up getting like 5 cards for that, because I didn't check the decklist. Commander 2016 was great, for a lot of reasons, but the lands in those decks were amazing. Daretti Scrap Savant is my favorite precon commander, though mine is super edited. But I feel like Plunder the Graves is the best precon "out of the box".
I am hoping for a Jeskai colored precon this year because I want to see some more versatility in the color combination. They got pretty much nothing in terms of Partner combinations and I want to see some sort of non-Voltron Artifact deck or maybe pure Spellslinger. Also an Abzan enchantment deck would be cool since there is definitely enough support for it. It would be nice to see a non-graveyard/ +1/+1 counter Commander in those colors. I really just want more 3-color decks(outside of Grixis, Mardu, and Naya) and maybe 1 or 2 Ally decks per year to finish off the last color combinations.
Can’t argue too much with this list. Some nice picks! What are your thoughts on the 2017 deck, Draconic Domination? That seemed to be the most popular of the 2017 decks.
I personally did REALLY well with the Draconic Domination Precon, I played like 10-12 games with it and I barely had any probmels with the mana-base, suprisingly. It also won very often, even in my local meta which is quite competetive. I believe its even better than the vampire deck
Deine Mam I too have had nothing but success with vanilla draconic domination. I've done multiplayer about 5 times with it and have won every time. Ur dragon is cool, but scion is the commander to play if you want to win. The deck comes almost tailor made for scion. In 1v1, the game is over once you get your five colors up. I have some cards on the way that I think are gonna prove to be pretty wicked upgrades, so much so that I'm thinking about getting a second, less powerful deck so I don't become frustrating to play against.
Well, but to admit it is stronger in multiplayer than others because in the early game you are not very intimidating because you do not much, but once you get your board you are relly hard to stop
Vampires/cats if you want a decent deck out of the box. Unfortunately the problem with many decks is the short supply. Commander 2017 decks should still be available for reasonable prices though.
If your focus is to play casual games and not tournaments, any of the decks mentioned in the video are good options but if one of your short term goals is to play in a competitive environment you should pick a mono-colored or two-colored commander as it is easier and cheaper to get the mana base neccesary to make it work as it should, now if money is not a problem Breya and Atraxa are just ridiculously strong commanders and the sky is the limit as far as how much they can be improved if enough cash is inyected.
Own Built From Scratch and Feline Ferocity Bought the Anthology so ended up giving to my friends Wade Into Battle, Breed Lethality, and the Mimeoplasm. Still, that whole Anthology was on here. But my main is a modified Draconic Domination
Heh. I rebuilt the Atraxa deck to be hyper efficient. I can literally hold 4-5 players at bay with it. By turn 3-4 I have at least one creature with lethal capability, and Mana gen out the wazoo. I don't even have to play Atraxa to have a win con on the table, and have at least a dozen ways to infinite +1/+1 counter drop. Every time I play the deck I discover another rapid win con or two in the deck. It has even been banned from my local EDH games because every time someone thinks they have an answer to it, it surprises them (and me). It is ridiculous and fast enough to win more often than not in a regular game even.
I truly hope they reprint Atraxa in the next Anthology. I missed out on getting her deck the 1st time and I still regret it. I have like, 4 builds with her on Xmage and they all kick massive ass.
I love my Kalemne deck Void, granted I have upgraded the crap out of the deck to be able to easily one shot my opponents with commander damage. Or be able to throw 20 damage a turn at my opponents.
Hey nice video very informative I’m just starting to play magic and I got this as my first commander deck because I like the commander game type any current recommendations on how to make the deck better than it already is please let me know that goes for anyone who read this and thanks to all that help.
It is weird because all of the wizards are overpowered but they don't work well together. The deck looked like the equivilent of putting Thalia, Tarmogoyf, Force of Will, and Tendrils of Agony in one legacy deck. Good cards, no synergy.
Arahbo is a let down compared to Nazahn? Nazahn is a selesnya colored commander for what should be a mono white deck. It is super clunky to play with in terms of a mana base, because anything that produces green won't work for early white drops, putting dual lands in the deck feel terrible as you get disadvantages for using white 99% of the time, and forcing a bunch of green value cards just makes the deck less consistent. Arahbo is one of the best beat stick commanders out there. Emminence allows every turn of cat tribal to be surprisingly brutal and aggressive given the format. Swing for five turn 2 with savvannah lions, swing for 12 with savvannah lions and adorned pouncer, and there's an infect cat, too. And things get really crazy when he enters the battlefield. If only it didn't say "another." Boy would commander damage be easy.
Smart Alec as a mono white nahiri player sometimes i wish i had green so i could ramp into the mana i needed for the bigger equips. I definitely think having green is a plus and not a minus.
Agrees my girls arahbo deck especially with a decent amount of equipments that have trample and protection hit HARD, her infect cat has hit for 20 tramp easy
In one game I was playing with a slightly modified Arahbo deck, and towards the end of it, I was swinging in with one cat that was doing about 160 something doublestrike, lifelink, vigililance, and a bunch of other crap, thanks to all the equipment plus Arahbo's abilities. By the end I had like almost 2000 health as it just kept swinging in at other players and they would use whatever they could to block it. The best part was that in the early game everyone was targeting each other instead of me because I was just playing the land game, and by turn 8 had both Zendikar Resurgent and Mirari's Wake out. It was an amazing game that no one expected.
To be honest Mizzix stands as the best commander together with Animar, Breya and Atraxa from Commander products. however the precon deck has way too many weird and unnecessary cards
Now we can look back at what happend to the prices i would say buy pre con upgrade it to whatever level you like and you have a good deck to have fun with.
I love mizzix, I bought reiterate and vedalken orrery, and I have pyretic and desperate rituals and lightning bolt. I definitely recommend buying those for the deck if you get the precon and replace the worse creatures with them. Also, arjun is trash, take it out. replace it with a basic, idgaf, but that card should go into a shame box and be forgotten about.
Everybody chooses meren for graveyard decks thats in part why I chose varolz instead using life from the loam over and over with him is awsome I have a dredge deck with him and its really good to where I beat a competitive deck with it and my deck is only built to be like competitive enough to where people wont want to punch me in the face
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I feel like the purpose behind many of the precons isn't as much focused on playability or power out of the box, but sort of like a springboard for people brewing in commander, giving the player a deck to say "hey this is kinda what a commander deck might look like"
exactly:P
I have an Atraxa infect deck and it's one of my strongest commander decks. The value you get when making it creature-centric and then speeding up the killing process with infect is insane.
I do too and I love it, Atraxa and Kaalia are my 2 favorite commanders
I but atraxa to be voltron and it worked very well especially proflierating Jitte counters. Thing is, people forget that Atraxa is a 4/4 flying, lifelink, vigilance, death touch for 4. Removinng her proliferate, she is still a beast.
Great list man and agree with your picks, these really are the best precons going and can't wait to see what we'll get this year.
Thinking of taking apart the Stalwart Unity and Open Hostility decks to use towards a Zacama deck I'm building, might be for the best and dinosaurs will be played way more than those two decks ever did, hopefully I don't regret it.
Urzard played against a dinosaur edh deck and it's crazy. You flood the board with dinosaurs and just annihilate players all at once it's awesome!
I got the Mimeoplasm deck from a clearance bin for $30.
Can't u but deck at target then return it all lands
Just want to start out by saying that I really enjoy your videos and keep up the good work. I have to say I agree with your list for the most part but I would put meren over atraxa. I feel both are powerful but meren is better out of the box and has better secondary commander options in my opnion.
Great video and keep making awesome content!
One of the most playable precons that was surprising in its power I have bought and played was Swell the Host. Its ability to quickly go wide, or stay narrow and powerful is pretty awesome for a precon.
Bought Devour For Power back in 2011. It was SOOOO GOOOOD!!!!
Paid 25$ for it.
My group of card playing friends are pretty much 100% Commander. We now have 25+ decks we all play at random with each other. Most of them are built from scratch or heavily tweaked pre-cons, with one exception: Teferi, Temporal Archmage. We found this pre-con was so OP it doesn't need tweaking. The games almost always end up being everyone vs this deck. It keeps everyone down and still wins while doing it. Maybe its just my personal experience with it, and I still cant even explain how its, but my opinion Teferi is beyond OP the best pre-con ever made. It has a perfect balance unlike any other pre-con. I'm a little disappointed it never even made a mention, it should be #1 miles ahead of every other deck, and we have played them all.... or maybe its just a fluke experience among our group....
great list. good deck summaries. thanks.
Power Hungry was the first preconstructed commander deck I got. During the winter after the 2013 release the prices were crazy on Amazon. Power Hungry and Eternal Bargain were the cheapest (crazy, right?) at about $20 off setting Mind Seize and Evasive Maneuvers at $70 and $50 respectively. I haven't modified it, focusing my deck building on my Experiment Kraj deck, but I have collected at least one deck from each release to use out of the box with friends.
For the first few I went with the cheapest option, with my finding a sealed Political Puppets for $70, then Peer through Time for $20 and then Call the Spirits for $28. I then got Open Hostility and Draconic Domination as gifts. I look forward to whatever I get from this years release though I hope I get Subjective Reality.
wizards looks for new ways to get around edh ruling, next year, after the success test on transform, they will make double sided commanders that you can choose which side you play.
To your point about these precons not being focused, I think that's because precons are meant to be frameworks upon which to build in a direction. You buy it, play it, find the strategies you like to play, and refine it in those directions. It gives you options, and whilst you're likely to gut a quarter to a third of the cards, long term, you still have a fairly coherent commander deck, that you can play decently well, in the meantime.
Nice timing considering the upcoming anthrology. Def thinking of picking a new one
The 2016 Dragons are no joke either but this is a great list.
Yautja Prime right
Another A+ vid. Thanks man.
Guided By Nature was half of my Ezuri Renegade Leader deck in a box. I bought it to buff my Ezuri deck, but ended up getting like 5 cards for that, because I didn't check the decklist.
Commander 2016 was great, for a lot of reasons, but the lands in those decks were amazing.
Daretti Scrap Savant is my favorite precon commander, though mine is super edited. But I feel like Plunder the Graves is the best precon "out of the box".
I thought Dragonic domination would be in here
Plunder the Graves was my first Precon and I've since put like $150 into the deck and is my all-time favorite commander
The Eminence mechanic is one biggest design mistakes WOTC ever made imo. Other than that, pretty solid list, tho Meren will always be my lifetime love
By mistake, do you mean a really good mechanic?
I once bought 3 of the Kamigawa rat decks just for the Jittes inside (which were $22 at the time whereas the precon costed $10).
I am hoping for a Jeskai colored precon this year because I want to see some more versatility in the color combination. They got pretty much nothing in terms of Partner combinations and I want to see some sort of non-Voltron Artifact deck or maybe pure Spellslinger. Also an Abzan enchantment deck would be cool since there is definitely enough support for it. It would be nice to see a non-graveyard/ +1/+1 counter Commander in those colors. I really just want more 3-color decks(outside of Grixis, Mardu, and Naya) and maybe 1 or 2 Ally decks per year to finish off the last color combinations.
Great vid man
Thanks!
i've had my atraxa focuced on creatures before i swapped it to walkers, and o boy it can go out of controll veeery fast (weak to whipes tho)
as a customer request I would love to see kamigawa, newcapenna, jumpstart, commander legends, theros beyond death top 50 mono blue cards.
Can’t argue too much with this list. Some nice picks! What are your thoughts on the 2017 deck, Draconic Domination? That seemed to be the most popular of the 2017 decks.
MTG Unpacked I can vouch for draconic domination. It's amazing, especially with scion as commander
I personally did REALLY well with the Draconic Domination Precon, I played like 10-12 games with it and I barely had any probmels with the mana-base, suprisingly. It also won very often, even in my local meta which is quite competetive. I believe its even better than the vampire deck
Deine Mam I too have had nothing but success with vanilla draconic domination. I've done multiplayer about 5 times with it and have won every time. Ur dragon is cool, but scion is the commander to play if you want to win. The deck comes almost tailor made for scion. In 1v1, the game is over once you get your five colors up. I have some cards on the way that I think are gonna prove to be pretty wicked upgrades, so much so that I'm thinking about getting a second, less powerful deck so I don't become frustrating to play against.
Well, but to admit it is stronger in multiplayer than others because in the early game you are not very intimidating because you do not much, but once you get your board you are relly hard to stop
what cards?
What is the best pre con for someone who is just starting commander like me?
Vampires/cats if you want a decent deck out of the box. Unfortunately the problem with many decks is the short supply. Commander 2017 decks should still be available for reasonable prices though.
Voidmage Gamer okay thanks alot! Awesome video
Breya maybe
Meren out of the box was the best If you can get 3 other people to pool money you can get commander anthology
If your focus is to play casual games and not tournaments, any of the decks mentioned in the video are good options but if one of your short term goals is to play in a competitive environment you should pick a mono-colored or two-colored commander as it is easier and cheaper to get the mana base neccesary to make it work as it should, now if money is not a problem Breya and Atraxa are just ridiculously strong commanders and the sky is the limit as far as how much they can be improved if enough cash is inyected.
Daretti is my favourite. Such an amazing synergy. You udnerestimate Daretti alot. He has alot of power.
Own Built From Scratch and Feline Ferocity
Bought the Anthology so ended up giving to my friends Wade Into Battle, Breed Lethality, and the Mimeoplasm.
Still, that whole Anthology was on here.
But my main is a modified Draconic Domination
Wizards is great, I just threw in like 100$ of upgrades and I’ve won tournaments but out the box it’s trash
Heh. I rebuilt the Atraxa deck to be hyper efficient. I can literally hold 4-5 players at bay with it. By turn 3-4 I have at least one creature with lethal capability, and Mana gen out the wazoo. I don't even have to play Atraxa to have a win con on the table, and have at least a dozen ways to infinite +1/+1 counter drop. Every time I play the deck I discover another rapid win con or two in the deck. It has even been banned from my local EDH games because every time someone thinks they have an answer to it, it surprises them (and me). It is ridiculous and fast enough to win more often than not in a regular game even.
Can you share your deck list.
I am going to buy the commander anthology 2 and I am going to invest on the Atraxa deck.
championofgods So do I
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I truly hope they reprint Atraxa in the next Anthology. I missed out on getting her deck the 1st time and I still regret it. I have like, 4 builds with her on Xmage and they all kick massive ass.
Daniel Despres they will
your wish has been granted
What should I play out of the box, Edgar Markov, Derevi, or the cat deck
GetRektGames 52
I love Edgar markov out of the box
GetRektGames 52 Markov is the best but he is banned 1v1 play. You still can play him with maltiple people he's just so powerful.
Call the spirits is super under rated
Parker Savoldi Yeahhh! Daxos is fun, and then you get great, valuable cards like Karlov, Grasp of Fate, and Phyrexian Arena. Good stuff.
My daxos deck is from the precon. My, hands down, favorite deck
I love my Kalemne deck Void, granted I have upgraded the crap out of the deck to be able to easily one shot my opponents with commander damage. Or be able to throw 20 damage a turn at my opponents.
Hey nice video very informative I’m just starting to play magic and I got this as my first commander deck because I like the commander game type any current recommendations on how to make the deck better than it already is please let me know that goes for anyone who read this and thanks to all that help.
wizard tribal is best tribal inalla #1
Of course, but the deck as a whole was garbage. It’s like someone mashed together three different decks with incompatible strategies.
Voidmage Gamer still waiting for your updated Inalla deck tech :)
speaking of which, i just finished my inalla deck a couple of seconds ago. i hope didn't miss any cool card synergies which i most likely did
I just finished swapping out about 70% of Inalla's precon. She might be my favorite commander so far, but yeah, the precon is pretty trash.
It is weird because all of the wizards are overpowered but they don't work well together. The deck looked like the equivilent of putting Thalia, Tarmogoyf, Force of Will, and Tendrils of Agony in one legacy deck. Good cards, no synergy.
Giant tribal is amazing if you can get your hands on some Lorywn cards.
Bring back this top precons with every precon util ikoria
is it a good or a bad thing I bought one of all the precons since the beginning lol
Arahbo is a let down compared to Nazahn? Nazahn is a selesnya colored commander for what should be a mono white deck. It is super clunky to play with in terms of a mana base, because anything that produces green won't work for early white drops, putting dual lands in the deck feel terrible as you get disadvantages for using white 99% of the time, and forcing a bunch of green value cards just makes the deck less consistent.
Arahbo is one of the best beat stick commanders out there. Emminence allows every turn of cat tribal to be surprisingly brutal and aggressive given the format. Swing for five turn 2 with savvannah lions, swing for 12 with savvannah lions and adorned pouncer, and there's an infect cat, too. And things get really crazy when he enters the battlefield. If only it didn't say "another." Boy would commander damage be easy.
Smart Alec as a mono white nahiri player sometimes i wish i had green so i could ramp into the mana i needed for the bigger equips. I definitely think having green is a plus and not a minus.
Agrees my girls arahbo deck especially with a decent amount of equipments that have trample and protection hit HARD, her infect cat has hit for 20 tramp easy
Arahbo is gold 1v1 but i would better take nazahn for multiplayer
Nathan Unterberg I suppose I see that.
In one game I was playing with a slightly modified Arahbo deck, and towards the end of it, I was swinging in with one cat that was doing about 160 something doublestrike, lifelink, vigililance, and a bunch of other crap, thanks to all the equipment plus Arahbo's abilities. By the end I had like almost 2000 health as it just kept swinging in at other players and they would use whatever they could to block it.
The best part was that in the early game everyone was targeting each other instead of me because I was just playing the land game, and by turn 8 had both Zendikar Resurgent and Mirari's Wake out. It was an amazing game that no one expected.
Um what about SEIZE CONTROL from 2015. Wizards and experience counters that make all sorcery and instant spells 1 less.
To be honest Mizzix stands as the best commander together with Animar, Breya and Atraxa from Commander products. however the precon deck has way too many weird and unnecessary cards
some of these decks are €100,- or more. is it cheaper to buy a precon or just make a custom deck with the same budget?
Now we can look back at what happend to the prices i would say buy pre con upgrade it to whatever level you like and you have a good deck to have fun with.
I read a comment about Entropic Uprising, I wanted to hear more opinions about it, what do you guys think?
What about Oloro?
So no Oloro ?
Saskia deserves a mention. That deck is a fuckin BEAST
I love mizzix, I bought reiterate and vedalken orrery, and I have pyretic and desperate rituals and lightning bolt. I definitely recommend buying those for the deck if you get the precon and replace the worse creatures with them. Also, arjun is trash, take it out. replace it with a basic, idgaf, but that card should go into a shame box and be forgotten about.
Everybody chooses meren for graveyard decks thats in part why I chose varolz instead using life from the loam over and over with him is awsome I have a dredge deck with him and its really good to where I beat a competitive deck with it and my deck is only built to be like competitive enough to where people wont want to punch me in the face
Anya would need to go into an edgar markov deck and have a sorin planeswalker. Other wise she is just not good
This video needs a reboot. Precons are getting kind of strong or at least the cut/remove and adds are getting smaller per release
I dont understand why wade into battle is better than sieze control. I dont think that s blade of selves or urza incubator is a good reason for that
I didn’t say it was better. Both were honorable mentions.
If they put purphuros in power hungry it would have been way better
Woops, forgot to keep that image of nazhan
Where is ezuri claw of progress it’s my favorite precon of all time
It’s all opinion based
Loved the cards in Arahbo. Hated the deck.
I disagree I think they made a pretty good deck when it comes to the heavenly inferno precon
2019 morph would these days probably deserve a spot here, it has most of the better morphs and still some decent value on top
Edgar Markov!!! They even had to ban Markov for being so good.
Sonsy Sy In what format is Edgar banned? He sure isn't banned in Commander.
He is banned in 1v1 Commander. My playgroup does not care)
Aiden Noir He is banned as your commander in 1v1. He can be part of your 99 though. Multiplayer he can be your commander.
I thought Forged In Stone was pretty great out of the box
It's a shame I picked up the wizards deck. I should've just bought the singles I'd need
Thebeybladeboy100's channel upgrade it, then it’s crazy powerful the combos with wizards is endless
nekusar litterally is just a deck that needs you to get others to draw cards
Meren isn't that much to upgrade to tier 1ish
I spent like $300-$400ish total upgrading, and it combos off most games from turns 2 through 5 usually
kaalia is finnish for ''cabbages''
First comment 😊
I hope that in 2018 they have a Angel deck or a cool non tribal
It's confirmed that we will be having planeswalkers again
Really, the fucking cats?!
Imo Breya is THE most ******ed shit wotc has ever printed in precon...
Atraxa precon is more like Buy Atraxa, get free 99 cards.
Cat tribal made the list... wat?
By what you are saying in the beginning of the vid. This is YOUR list, not the overall best. For everyones info.....
Ezuri
Update this list
Meren is a card that looks like it ought to be banned.
Atraxa isn't even that good though.
Yes, that's what I wanted to say here... The precon is overrated.
Zdzisław Jakubczyk but atraxa herself is great
Cody Tesch meh
still dies to removal 8-)
Hunter Jones AKA I didn't buy it when it was affordable, so now I'm salty and hate on it.