Man, how did Catastrophe not make the list... literally the perfect board wipe. Armageddon when you're ahead on board, wrath of god when you're behind.
This weekend we had a pretty nice Commander round. My very best friend was playing for her first time Commander and managed to play my unchangend Arahbo Precon, my cousin run his Thasa Deep Sea Creatures an I played my Sen Triplets. Was a very intense Game! We had just two Board Wipes, which is very unusual for a two of our self constructed decks. My cousin copied my O Stone (I hadn't enough mana to put some counters on my stuff...) Got beaten the shit out of me by her cats but could stand a while thanks to Rhystic Study which let me draw like 10 cards (yes she didn't want to pay that often for her spells an additional Mana :D). But the Point ist that she was able to play her 14 cards hand after a Cyclonic Rift (love that card!) down to seven again! Thanks to Mirari's Wake XD Haven't seen this many times before in a precon. To quote Jace: "I had a headache" :P I think we got her into Commander :D
My current Baral deck wins by casting flood of tears and putting Archeomancer into play. Then I cast three 0 drop artifacts and rinse repeat every turn until I get Omniscience. Then I win. Also Spellbook and Reliquary Tower are MVPs.
@@Legaleagle0200 It was pretty boring. My playgroup tried to stop it and it only was able to continue due to being 30% counterspells. I dismantled it. Now I am playing Dimir mill/combo. Either I mill or I combo. Sometimes it's both.
Yes, but it's not about "blowing everithing up", it's about to play efficient removal against your threats and don't get punished by your own removal. Like you can always use Austere Command or the Conviction to get rid of your actual problem and don't get punished too Hard...Also you want to save your Mana rocks and other noncreature permanents most of the time so "destroy all permanents" effects are rarely better, especially against cards like Heroic Intervention...also bot are triple white and Oblivion ring is far better
Bane of Progress is my favorite ... I laugh my ass off when People see my activate Green Sun Zenith and fear a Craterhoof ... precisely because I used to get Cyclonic rift and lost my battle phase. Bane of progress kills all that blue players mana rocks while dealing with the rest of the table :)
This is a very interesting top 10. I personally would not put Pernicious Deed that high because it is going to make everyone else target you until you trigger it. I forgot about this board wipe, and could really use it in my Mazirek deck since there aren't many good board wipes in those colors, and my Kadador deck could use it too because Sun Titan. I think It's hard to choose a top ten board wipes because the ones that are better at doing the job cost more mana, while the ones that aren't as versatile and or don't get rid of indestructible creatures because they are cheap board wipes they allow you to play more or play bigger spells during the same turn. I think it comes down to what your group plays with and your deck. So why did Terminus make the honorable mentions and not Hallowed Burial? They are the same, except Hallowed Burial doesn't have the Miracle cost, but it naturally costs one less mana. How often are you going to want to cast Terminus when you draw it? Yeah Blasphemous Act is very underrated, and I think It's one of the best too! I put it in every deck that has red in it. Yeah It's not a surprise to see Cyclonic Rift be number one. That's my number one too. I'm so glad that Austere Command got a reprint! I've always wanted that card! It's so good! I think the only card worth banning over Cyclonic Rift would be Deadeye Navigator. I'm so surprised that it hasn't been banned yet!
I really like "Descend upon the Sinful", since it sets you up for a nice turn afterwards and deals with the likes of Avacyn. "Endemic Plague" on "Mirror Entity" is insane too ;) ....and I have to mention "Hythonia the Cruel" and "Magister of Worth" who both do their job more than just fine!
TheWise Meatball Turn 0 Leyline of the Void. Late game Cyclonic Rift, end of turn opponent's turn with 100 permanents on the board (token mischief). Main phase paradox engine, sol ring, isochron scepter imprinted with counterspell. Dragon Mage combat damage to flush all those cards down the drain. Grixis control dreams are made of this.
Hour of Revelation is nuts. A most-likely 3-mana destroy all nonland permanents? Yes please! With Avacyn out? Even better! Takes care of planeswalkers, enchantments, artifacts, creatures, whatever that's not a land!
I have a personal motto for mtg. I never use a card that harms me as well as my opponents unless it's a situation where I will lose if I don't. I like one sided cards.
In Garruk's Wake is kinda pricey for what it does. it's good, but you really need to be able to capitalize on it immediately, and hard, because there's a load of opportunity for some really rough return fire after the fact.
@@andrewamann8855 But it doesn't matter if it's a lot of mana because you're getting a mana advantage simply by not killing your own things with it. Cast it precombat and then you get in for a huge chunk of damage because no one has any blockers left. Then the opponents have to decide whether they want to rebuild their own board or to deal with your board. Either way you came out ahead by getting in a free attack and getting some valuable cards out of their hand.
I have won a 1/1 edh Kaalia vs. Sliver Overlord when he thought he had me dead. He'd tapped Kaalia dropped a Gisela and tapped another. I had on board and in hand (+haste) just enough for lethal, when I cast Cyclonic Rift overloaded in response to his attacks. "GG"
Ever see someone using Sun Titan and Oblivion Stone in the same deck, and get them both out? Not a pretty sight.... Put a Counter on Titan, then blow up the world, use Titan's attack trigger to bring O-stone back, repeat.
Triple white and you got lots of enchantments and artifacts you don't want to get rid of in white, so Cards like Austere Command are 90% of the time better
Claudio Cavalcante Bomfim Júnior Fated retribution is triple W, that's already not great, rout can also cast only 5 when you need it to with the option of it costing 7. The scry on fated is honestly not even that great in commander
Yes but it's rare to see too many Planeswalkers in a Multiplayer EDH and it's kinda slow for single player, so you play it in Mono white or if your playgroup plays Superfriends or something like this.
I think phyrexian rebirth has some merit to it as well. Sure, it's six cmc, and only sorcery speed, but then most creatures are dead, and in commander, it wouldn't be so hard to end up with a 20/20 horror. Against a swarm deck, even more.
I run that in Grand Warlord Radha! If you really need it, you can just annihilate, but the cycling is amazing when you can generate 7 mana just by attacking. The main downside is it doesn't touch planeswalkers.
Play of the game is my pick for one of the best nukes. 6 white white Assist (Another player can pay up to 6 of this spell's cost.) Exile all nonland permanents.
Chiky Scares Yo best card ever but most people don’t even know it exists. You want to cast it when it’s the last car in your hand and you know what’s on top of your deck with library or top.
@@TheBlackdragon936 I play it like this: I attack with narsert, shecs enchanted with vanishing, she phases out, I cast Apocalypse, I lose all friends hahaha
dockdock 3000 Actually you cannot, that's why Snapcaster and Sphinxs revelation aren't great together Edit, you are right I was thinking of goblin dark dwellers.
Yes, thats why I play 4 Snapcaster and 12 Fireball-like effects in my Legacy Deck along with some Cantrips...pretty op if your opponents don't know the game
Basilisk Collar/Gorgon Flail on Deathbringer Thoctar works similarly. If you add something like Blade of the Bloodchief, it even grows while it's wiping things.
The life gain is pretty negligible in commander. If someone is gonna beat you, usually the spare ten to fifteen life won't stop them. Past that it's really really plain.
Adding life gain doesn’t justify having to pay 5 mana instead of 4 for a wrath of god. It was fine in standard but commander has numerous better options.
How is the stone crap? there is so much it gets rid of, you can keep stuff if you have time to set it up, and artifacts are easy to return for reuse. It is harsh on mana but ugin is only one less. I could see saying it is ok but x, y, z are better.
It might be fine in games that go on for over an hour but if people are playing good decks then it gets really clunky. If you play it on curve it does nothing for you and you give your opponents plenty of time to destroy it before you get any use out of it. Being able to give your stuff protection from it isn't really an upside because of the steep mana cost. If you are paying 4 mana to give one permanent protection from a boardwipe you maybe use next turn you are already doing something wrong. And if you pay the 8 mana late game to use it right away you are likely tapping out for it and giving your opponents a turn to set up their own boards before you get to do anything else. not to mention any ramp besides land ramp that you do to make it a faster card will get blown up as soon as you use it. There is a very slim chance that you will be able to set up a scenario with this card that has you coming out ahead after you use it, which is what I always look for in a board wipe.
Alright that is all valid reasoning. I probably just think of it as pretty nice since my first edh deck was karn silver golem and I could often make it one sided with darksteel forge. nev's disk was preferred though since it takes more effort to bring the stone back than to tap the disk again.
You seriously underrate mana efficiency. The only sweeper arguable that's better then deluge is rift. And I still think it gets the edge. Also you are fucking wrong when you say life is not a resource in other formats. Decks that utilize life as a resource in other formats almost always gets it. Take black summer, take the fact that fetchlands are the best lands in the game, take deaths shadow. Or mana crypt or ancient tomb. This is ridiculous. You even nodded to mana efficiency in your blasphemous act. Like wtf.
It’s like I struck a nerve or something. Yes, life is a resource in commander compared to other formats because 40 life is plenty to work with. Cards like necropotence and phyrexian arena see a ton more play in this format as well as sylvan library. How is deluge even close to rift? You do realize late game when you’re low in life it’s practically dead? It doesn’t even deal with non-creatures.
You literally started by saying wraths weren't considered removal, yet your list was clogged with em, let me tell ya ugin is one of the best removal spells, hour of revelation jokulhops catastrophe, any a few others, like obliterate your list is lackluster at best.
I was hoping to see Ugin on this list. His -X is great!
Man, how did Catastrophe not make the list... literally the perfect board wipe. Armageddon when you're ahead on board, wrath of god when you're behind.
This weekend we had a pretty nice Commander round.
My very best friend was playing for her first time Commander and managed to play my unchangend Arahbo Precon, my cousin run his Thasa Deep Sea Creatures an I played my Sen Triplets.
Was a very intense Game!
We had just two Board Wipes, which is very unusual for a two of our self constructed decks. My cousin copied my O Stone (I hadn't enough mana to put some counters on my stuff...)
Got beaten the shit out of me by her cats but could stand a while thanks to Rhystic Study which let me draw like 10 cards (yes she didn't want to pay that often for her spells an additional Mana :D).
But the Point ist that she was able to play her 14 cards hand after a Cyclonic Rift (love that card!) down to seven again!
Thanks to Mirari's Wake XD
Haven't seen this many times before in a precon.
To quote Jace: "I had a headache" :P
I think we got her into Commander :D
Rift is just ridiculous...
All is dust has a combo with eight and a half tails. If u turn someone's land white, you can mass land wipe them.
My current Baral deck wins by casting flood of tears and putting Archeomancer into play. Then I cast three 0 drop artifacts and rinse repeat every turn until I get Omniscience. Then I win. Also Spellbook and Reliquary Tower are MVPs.
Sounds boring and who would let you keep doing that
@@Legaleagle0200 It was pretty boring. My playgroup tried to stop it and it only was able to continue due to being 30% counterspells. I dismantled it. Now I am playing Dimir mill/combo. Either I mill or I combo. Sometimes it's both.
Akromas vengeance?
If you're trying to blow everything up it's kinda hard to beat planar cleansing and hour of revelation
sorta suprised hour of revelation wasn't at least mentioned with blasphamus act in the value catagory
Yes, but it's not about "blowing everithing up", it's about to play efficient removal against your threats and don't get punished by your own removal. Like you can always use Austere Command or the Conviction to get rid of your actual problem and don't get punished too Hard...Also you want to save your Mana rocks and other noncreature permanents most of the time so "destroy all permanents" effects are rarely better, especially against cards like Heroic Intervention...also bot are triple white and Oblivion ring is far better
Heldenfussel single target removal is not very good in commander unless it is repeatable/recurring or synergistic.
Bane of Progress is my favorite ... I laugh my ass off when People see my activate Green Sun Zenith and fear a Craterhoof ... precisely because I used to get Cyclonic rift and lost my battle phase. Bane of progress kills all that blue players mana rocks while dealing with the rest of the table :)
I think in a format as explosive as edh having cyclonic rift is a good thing.
Very nice set of enchantments and counters
This is a very interesting top 10. I personally would not put Pernicious Deed that high because it is going to make everyone else target you until you trigger it.
I forgot about this board wipe, and could really use it in my Mazirek deck since there aren't many good board wipes in those colors, and my Kadador deck could use it too because Sun Titan.
I think It's hard to choose a top ten board wipes because the ones that are better at doing the job cost more mana, while the ones that aren't as versatile and or don't get rid of indestructible creatures because they are cheap board wipes they allow you to play more or play bigger spells during the same turn. I think it comes down to what your group plays with and your deck.
So why did Terminus make the honorable mentions and not Hallowed Burial? They are the same, except Hallowed Burial doesn't have the Miracle cost, but it naturally costs one less mana. How often are you going to want to cast Terminus when you draw it?
Yeah Blasphemous Act is very underrated, and I think It's one of the best too! I put it in every deck that has red in it.
Yeah It's not a surprise to see Cyclonic Rift be number one. That's my number one too.
I'm so glad that Austere Command got a reprint! I've always wanted that card! It's so good!
I think the only card worth banning over Cyclonic Rift would be Deadeye Navigator. I'm so surprised that it hasn't been banned yet!
The one you're missing in the top 5 is Ugin, maybe top 3
In a artifact deck. Combine mirror works, dark steel forge and oblivion stone. You won’t need the date counters, and you have two stones
I really like "Descend upon the Sinful", since it sets you up for a nice turn afterwards and deals with the likes of Avacyn.
"Endemic Plague" on "Mirror Entity" is insane too ;)
....and I have to mention "Hythonia the Cruel" and "Magister of Worth" who both do their job more than just fine!
Descend is like 6 mana though ouch. You could brainstorm and crush of tentacles for that much dealing with all non land permanents and getting an 8/8
As an Artifact fan, I like using Scour Glass personally. All is Dust too.
Another thing about cyclonic rift is that gadook teeg doesn’t stop it
I missed my good old fiend, Descend upon the sinful. Exiling all creatuers, + an angel if you have delirium. Should probably be on here.
bearer of the heaven + chance of glory + wakening sun's avatar( next turn) if you only have 2 life in edh multi. so satisfying.
Cyclonic Rift wins games.
TheWise Meatball Turn 0 Leyline of the Void. Late game Cyclonic Rift, end of turn opponent's turn with 100 permanents on the board (token mischief). Main phase paradox engine, sol ring, isochron scepter imprinted with counterspell. Dragon Mage combat damage to flush all those cards down the drain. Grixis control dreams are made of this.
Lol, no it doesn't
No it really doesn’t.
Hour of Revelation is nuts. A most-likely 3-mana destroy all nonland permanents? Yes please! With Avacyn out? Even better! Takes care of planeswalkers, enchantments, artifacts, creatures, whatever that's not a land!
I have a personal motto for mtg. I never use a card that harms me as well as my opponents unless it's a situation where I will lose if I don't. I like one sided cards.
Board wipes are very often one sided you just have to use the right ones at the right times
When I use pernicious deed or nevinerals disk they just get blown up by targeted removal before I get to use them😢😢
Brandon Butterfield Leave some mana up so you can use them in response.
Laurence de Carle That doesn’t work with Nev’s disk
I definitely would of had in garruks wake in the top 5. Ugin too
In Garruk's Wake is kinda pricey for what it does. it's good, but you really need to be able to capitalize on it immediately, and hard, because there's a load of opportunity for some really rough return fire after the fact.
Yeah, its great in my jodah deck though
@@andrewamann8855 But it doesn't matter if it's a lot of mana because you're getting a mana advantage simply by not killing your own things with it. Cast it precombat and then you get in for a huge chunk of damage because no one has any blockers left. Then the opponents have to decide whether they want to rebuild their own board or to deal with your board. Either way you came out ahead by getting in a free attack and getting some valuable cards out of their hand.
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@@Kurse_of_Kall or they could Mana drain it like what happened to me...
I have won a 1/1 edh Kaalia vs. Sliver Overlord when he thought he had me dead. He'd tapped Kaalia dropped a Gisela and tapped another. I had on board and in hand (+haste) just enough for lethal, when I cast Cyclonic Rift overloaded in response to his attacks. "GG"
What about the Fated Retruibution board wipe?
Ever see someone using Sun Titan and Oblivion Stone in the same deck, and get them both out? Not a pretty sight.... Put a Counter on Titan, then blow up the world, use Titan's attack trigger to bring O-stone back, repeat.
Kenji Egashira in Command Zone: Game Knights
@@vern_kiyo before that, it happened to me in a game once.... had to make them blow it up and then exile all graveyards....not fun.
Ahhhhg thats sad
a friend in my playgroup plays pernicious deed with his muldrotha deck... oh god it is frustrating hahaha
Why is 'overwhelming forces' not in this list?
Good for you, even knowing that card exists! Mad props!
A good wrath that I absolutely cannot be without in a deck of mine is called: In Garruk's Wake
It takes care of creatures and planeswalkers that I dont control
What happened to devestation tide?
Yeah idk how hour of revelation wasnt mention
Triple white and you got lots of enchantments and artifacts you don't want to get rid of in white, so Cards like Austere Command are 90% of the time better
you honored mentioned rout, but not fated retribution?
Claudio Cavalcante Bomfim Júnior Fated retribution is triple W, that's already not great, rout can also cast only 5 when you need it to with the option of it costing 7. The scry on fated is honestly not even that great in commander
it kills planeswalkers
Yes but it's rare to see too many Planeswalkers in a Multiplayer EDH and it's kinda slow for single player, so you play it in Mono white or if your playgroup plays Superfriends or something like this.
If someone has 7 mana open and trys to cyclonic rift , you can pay 1 for dispel and counter it, very simple, pyroblast is also a posibility.
What Happens when they counter your counter though
@@rookieron2774 Sure but they already tap 7 so its easy for you to have 4 mana for 2 counters.
Colorless EDH decks would like to argue the value of All is Dust. That is practically game there.
I used to have a really fun Kambal deck that had 15 boardwipes .
How about your playgroup? ^^
"Fun" and "Fifteen Boardwipes" don't go together.
Have many people to play against with that?
Cygnus Vismund you monster
no Mageta the Lion?
these are what counterspells exist for.
Also blasphamous act would be hilarious in a deck with vigor.
Or stuffy doll effects and or en Kors turn it into player killer
What is the Music at the beginning? It’s good
It’s a stock track. Something called “monkey’s wedding” lol.
So would you put Cleansing Nova or Deafening Clarion somewhere on this list?
Ive always like Bane of the Living and Death Cloud
What about world slayer
I think phyrexian rebirth has some merit to it as well. Sure, it's six cmc, and only sorcery speed, but then most creatures are dead, and in commander, it wouldn't be so hard to end up with a 20/20 horror. Against a swarm deck, even more.
Why is Marcial on a creature wipe? AT best you're getting a few low-cost creatures...
Jokulhaups?
You won't play too often with your friends if you keep playing Jokulhaups, Armagheddon and so on ^^
Jokulhaups, Obliterate, Decree of Annihilation. All your friends will never think they are safe from red ever again.
Our playgroup welcome such destruction.
almisami you forgot Apocalypse
Some people like to actually play magic.
#7 is Toxic Deluge.
My good sir that is way too low.
Love your videos bro
No Ugin?
So glad rift is blue imagine it in green or White which is a more creatures in general
The Izzet specialize in unnatural disaster.
Decree of Annihilation should have been on here since it wipes nearly the entire board, and then some.
I run that in Grand Warlord Radha! If you really need it, you can just annihilate, but the cycling is amazing when you can generate 7 mana just by attacking.
The main downside is it doesn't touch planeswalkers.
1) Elish Norn
I would add, at least an honorable mention, mass calcify. If you play mono white, it destroys other creatures,, but not yours
Play of the game is my pick for one of the best nukes.
6 white white
Assist (Another player can pay up to 6 of this spell's cost.)
Exile all nonland permanents.
TrixyTrixter my favorite “play of the game” was when someone tapped out for play of the game and I had daze lol.
I would have had gaze of granite or slaughter the strong in honorable, but that is just me I guess
I kind of expected vandalblast to be at least in honorable mentions... Cool list nonetheless :-)
How is Upheaval not on this list? Seriously, have you seen the power of that card in the right build with mana dorks and mana rocks?
Alexandru Vijeu this is a joke right? Upheaval is banned in commander.
Aether snap? Perilous Vault?
Who doesnt love cyclonic rift right so great
People who have the misfortune to play against rift hate it.
Cleansing Nova deserves to be on the list IMO.
Daemon Redwyne it wasn’t printed yet when this video was posted.
I dont have any of these cards 😣😞😰
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“All is Dust” is kinda racist not gonna lie.
Doomskjar!!! Wait it didnt exist Back then
where's apocalypse?
Chiky Scares Yo best card ever but most people don’t even know it exists. You want to cast it when it’s the last car in your hand and you know what’s on top of your deck with library or top.
@@TheBlackdragon936 I play it like this: I attack with narsert, shecs enchanted with vanishing, she phases out, I cast Apocalypse, I lose all friends hahaha
You forgot the best removal of all time!!! Decree of Annihilation
Cyclonic Rift + Isocron Scepter means i win?
Unfortunately, the overload can’t be paid with scepter.
Because it isn't part of the casting cost like Orim's Chant. ie kicker ability?
Correct. With effects like Isocron Scepter, you can not use alternate costs (like overload) when putting the spell in question on the stack
Archeomancer+Cyclonic rift.
Cyclonic Rift is not even close to being ban-worthy
even if you don't consider bounce as removal, Cyclonic Rift is still the best board wipe
It's not the best per se, but Planar Cleansing is the biggest no excuses board reset. It hits everything and ignores indestructible.
When you Snapcaster Black Suns you can pay x as whatever you want
Nope, X is 0 since no Mana was put into it
You still have to pay mana to cast it with snapcaster so you can choose what x is
dockdock 3000 Actually you cannot, that's why Snapcaster and Sphinxs revelation aren't great together
Edit, you are right I was thinking of goblin dark dwellers.
Yes, thats why I play 4 Snapcaster and 12 Fireball-like effects in my Legacy Deck along with some Cantrips...pretty op if your opponents don't know the game
Yeah, but that wasn't the problem. The problem is that bsz never hits the graveyard, it shuffles itself back into the deck
deluge is objectively the best boardwipe in magic right now
You FORGOT PERILOUS VAULT. Its the beeznees
Apocalypse. Most overpowered board wipe that no one uses.
Ill give you a boardwipe thornbite staff on a creature with Deathtouch. If something is indestructible add infect.
Basilisk Collar/Gorgon Flail on Deathbringer Thoctar works similarly. If you add something like Blade of the Bloodchief, it even grows while it's wiping things.
Decree of Annihilation
Sad I didn't get to see my boy Bane of Progress. Kindred dominance seems like it should get a mention
Fumigate. Removes AND gives life.
The life gain is pretty negligible in commander. If someone is gonna beat you, usually the spare ten to fifteen life won't stop them. Past that it's really really plain.
Adding life gain doesn’t justify having to pay 5 mana instead of 4 for a wrath of god. It was fine in standard but commander has numerous better options.
I think ugin and band of progress deserved a mention. Also in my opinion oblivion stone is crap in this format. Deluge should have been top 3
How is the stone crap? there is so much it gets rid of, you can keep stuff if you have time to set it up, and artifacts are easy to return for reuse. It is harsh on mana but ugin is only one less. I could see saying it is ok but x, y, z are better.
It might be fine in games that go on for over an hour but if people are playing good decks then it gets really clunky. If you play it on curve it does nothing for you and you give your opponents plenty of time to destroy it before you get any use out of it. Being able to give your stuff protection from it isn't really an upside because of the steep mana cost. If you are paying 4 mana to give one permanent protection from a boardwipe you maybe use next turn you are already doing something wrong. And if you pay the 8 mana late game to use it right away you are likely tapping out for it and giving your opponents a turn to set up their own boards before you get to do anything else. not to mention any ramp besides land ramp that you do to make it a faster card will get blown up as soon as you use it. There is a very slim chance that you will be able to set up a scenario with this card that has you coming out ahead after you use it, which is what I always look for in a board wipe.
Alright that is all valid reasoning. I probably just think of it as pretty nice since my first edh deck was karn silver golem and I could often make it one sided with darksteel forge. nev's disk was preferred though since it takes more effort to bring the stone back than to tap the disk again.
I think Ugin, Bane and Disk are all pretty nice if you play in a slower multiplayer round like the casual player and/or got the right shell
hmmm Chimera God deck?
DECREE OF ANNIHILATION
Jokulhaups
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Rift needs banned, because any deck playing blue is objectively wrong if it's not playing it.
Steve Strohl I took it out of my maelstrom wanderer deck as I don’t like doing it against people plus it’s not a good cascade.
Holy crap imagine having the commander that could duplicate spells
Clarks Kent’s copying boardwipes rarely does anything.
Devastation better be here. So rude.
No, ban deadeye navigator and palinchron
Terminus is better than anything
You seriously underrate mana efficiency. The only sweeper arguable that's better then deluge is rift. And I still think it gets the edge. Also you are fucking wrong when you say life is not a resource in other formats. Decks that utilize life as a resource in other formats almost always gets it. Take black summer, take the fact that fetchlands are the best lands in the game, take deaths shadow. Or mana crypt or ancient tomb. This is ridiculous. You even nodded to mana efficiency in your blasphemous act. Like wtf.
It’s like I struck a nerve or something. Yes, life is a resource in commander compared to other formats because 40 life is plenty to work with. Cards like necropotence and phyrexian arena see a ton more play in this format as well as sylvan library.
How is deluge even close to rift? You do realize late game when you’re low in life it’s practically dead? It doesn’t even deal with non-creatures.
You literally started by saying wraths weren't considered removal, yet your list was clogged with em, let me tell ya ugin is one of the best removal spells, hour of revelation jokulhops catastrophe, any a few others, like obliterate your list is lackluster at best.
I literally didn’t.
I’m sorry I didn’t include every single card to your unreasonable expectations on a top TEN list. Make your own list then.