Toyota Solid Axle WEAK Point
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- I have found the Achilles' heel of my Toyota Solid Front Axle! The steering studs are the first thing to break since the SAS 2 years ago! Any upgrade suggestions? This in no way effects my overall thoughts on the solid axle swap, I highly recommend it, even with Toyota axles.
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To be absolutely clear I do not consider this axle weak. It's incredibly robust and overbuilt considering it was designed for a mini truck with tiny tires and no lockers... It is a solid option for anyone planning a solid axle swap. Over 2 years since my solid axle swap and this is the FIRST thing to break! I just want everyone to be aware of this potential break, and you can upgrade this with a 5th stud, 6 shooters, and/or ARP studs, and resolve this potential weak point issue. Thanks for watching!
When would you consider upgrading to 1 ton axles if ever?
@@nsh040909 Never, most my wheeling is in the trees, and I'd never fit with wider axles. Not only that here in BC Canada we can't have any tire poke whatsoever, and I'm keeping this truck as a street rig for now!
They break when they get loose. So part of your wheeling ritual needs to be to check them. And upgrade to ARPs or similar. And do the 5th stud mod.
Oh I'm aware of these coming loose. Literally the night before Hell's Revenge where they broke I tightened all of them. I think they just slowly got weak from coming loose all the time. Some upgrades are defianetly required in the future.
FIRST! haha
the toyota solid axles are extremely tough, thought they arent without their flaws. the knuckle balls are another major weak point. i cant remember if you said you have them gusseted or not... i never broke any steering knuckle studs, but i have had them come loose once. i have however trashed a housing by bending the knuckle balls up and forwards haha! granted, i was running 42" tractor tires that stuck out way past my fenders hahaha
gotta love trail fixing haha. ive been there myself. cant wait for more videos man! im aiming to have the mazda done by spring.
For sure! This does not change my overall opinion on the Toyota solid axles. They are still ridiculously stout considering they are from mini trucks back in the day, never designed for lockers and 37s 😂 I do not have ball gussets, but they are on the list.
@@DirtGarage absolutely! Pound for pound they are the toughest axle going. Ive seen guys actually cut the balls off and weld d44 C knuckles to them haha, but thats a lot of work. With a bit of selective armoring, these axles are ridiculously tough! I ran 38" michelin xml's for a couple years on my 4runner with stock toyota parts in my axle. I just had a ring gear plate as well as an upper axle truss. No knuckle ball gussets, no fancy chromo parts haha. Only thing i broke occasionally were birfs, but i also had a spools front and rear haha
Haha. The same thing happened to my tacoma. Snapped a cv on my bachelor party.....took it out, not know it was needed to hold bearings together. Needless to say, it did not end well......everything broke. Had to be towed out
Forget that six shooter Charlie chan stuff, Front Range keyed steering arms ftw
You boys gotta do some bracing and such no wonder youre breaking, also fifth stud is a cheap alternative to shooters and works awesome never had a problem since i fully built my front end.
Bracing on the Jeep? The front end was 100% redesigned days before Moab.. So it was hugely untested! Or are you talking bracing on my axle? I need ball gussets for sure, but I don't see this effecting my steering arms! Somethings gotta happen to my steering, whether 5th stud or shooters, Either way it's gonna happen.
Nah you got er right brother, bracing on your front axle in your rig, id aslo consider if i were you bullet proofing your steering stops.
@@jbragg4331 Fair, my steering stops are adjusted all the way out, because I run no offset on my truck to keep it road legal.
Get a couple of half inch nuts and throw them in the stops then weld em up if you want to do it cheap and effectively
Sounds like a good plan!
Quick question for you guys. I’m building a 84 4runner. It’ll occasionally do some trails here in Arizona. Nothing to straining. But I currently LS swapped it with a th350 and dual 23 spline cases. The 4Runner will be majority of its time in Glamis and neighboring dunes. My question is, how do think the rear axle will do? Currently have 5.29 gears locked and chromoly in the front. Rear is 5.29 and locked with Stock axles on 35’s. Should I upgrade to a v6 third or GM 12 bolt or keep it as is and see how far it’ll get me.
I would definitely put a v6 third in that! I've never had troubles with mine, I'm not LS, but supercharged 3.4 and locked front and rear.
Dirt Garage I appreciate the reply, just seeing what others have experienced. I do have access to both, reason why I asked. I’ve also been told to drop down to 4.88 gears as the pinions are slightly larger
Also why the 5.29s? With all that power being so low in the axles is not really required, especially if you have dual cases you are low enough. If anything the 5.29s themselves will rip apart. Id definitely consider going 4.10s in the v6 third.
Dirt Garage The gears were installed already when I purchased the 4Runner. The lower gear ratio will also take strain off the T Cases as well. But I do have a set of 4.10’s I can try out.
@@SubePelayo928 Fair enough! Either way sounds like a fun rig. Good luck!
4 stud will be fine for the most part just get tg super steel or arp studs and torque to spec and they wont come loose or break mine havnt since ive swapped them
Hello dirt garage I reached out to you guys on marlin crawler and I’m wondering if I can use a 98 E-locker in my 84 toy pickup 2L diesel? Can I use the whole axle or just the e-locker I didn’t get the wiring or the switch with it just complete rear axle.
Next time you are in Utah you should go to sand hollow instead, way better in my opinion, and there is a place north called toquerville falls, another awesome place to go see with a nice back trail to get there
5th stud mod or some six shooter knuckles and you're good to go
Exactly!
What a headache-- ! But, you know what? When stuff breaks-- it makes for great content, and last memories.. so, looks like it turned out well.
Totally was a headache. But was one of those things that was not really a big issue, we where perfectly capable of fixing at camp. This is the only actual break in the whole week in Moab, so not complaining!
@@DirtGarage It could have been a big issue if you didn't notice and were going down the interstate at 75mph when the final one let go.
@@MattPratt Good thing I check these after wheeling every time, because I know they come loose.
@@DirtGarage Good stuff. I once drove 10 hours on I-70 with only 2 loose studs holding the passenger knuckle. Only noticed after I got home and saw the extra wear on the tire.
@@MattPratt Yikes! I limped it back to camp with broken studs.. But that's nowhere near 10 hours.
mine sheared like that after being over torqued
With so many cycles of coming loose and tightening them, I'm sure it does not help!
Hello,
You know as well as I do that is not a weak point. As some one else mentioned they can break when loose. But it's the reason they are loose that is important....
Too much play in those conical bearings. Probably due too not enough maintenance.😉
If you abuse you'll have to maintain more, that's the offroad rule.
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So they get loose and break? Sounds like a weak point to me! As I mentioned I tightened them up night before the the day they broke. That's why you can buy upgraded parts to get away from this weak point.
Also the trunnion bearings these steering arms sit in are brand new.
@@DirtGarage I never had bolts breaking off. On 35 " wheels, lots of bearings worn out(upgrades last longer indeed) lots of spacers removed to adjust play. Even one steering arm ripped off due to pilot error but never a broken bolt. I must be lucky.
@@DirtGarage It only happens when a high steer is used, it puts a lot more load on the studs. Which is why ARP studs should be used.
@@maxottobell I'll be doing some knuckle upgrades soon. The re-tapped stud did not last long and the threads are gone.
You could have welded nuts on the broken bolts to get them out but since you forgot the welding helmet...😉
That would work, except the studs where broken 1/4 inch down into the knuckle.
Dirt Garage I saw it and I was just kidding because Ethan had to weld the Barbiejeep axle blind. That means I don’t miss any of you guys videos😉
@@BreitfussJoey Haha, awesome! Indeed we had to do some work on the Jeep axle, actually same reason its tire was off in this video! Same day all these repairs happened.
You can use copper tubing as well.
What did your axle come out of?
Thanks for commenting, it's from a 1982 Toyota Pickup.
Lack of owners maintenance
Wrong. This get tightened after every trip.
Your tacoma is nice i have a 1991 lifted 7inch with lockers and i would like to ride with you guys
Sounds great, are you local?
Im in LA
We need Toyota COROLLA BACK😎
Oh it's not going anywhere! Don't worry 😎